Alright here's the spot were we diss that stupid loser HE wrecks my games well thats the last time ever time i play im going to make it a point to capture and interrogate him.http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif One another note anyone have any stories you would like to share about the(spit)"<FONT size="-2">hive</FONT s>"hmmmm anyonehttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Hmmm....am I detecting the formation of the AHC?? Anti-Hive Cult?http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Yes, Yang is a . .. .. .. .. ., but no, he is rarely a major factor in my games unless he gets a big continent to himself on which to expand. Then he gets tough.

An entertaining thing to do is to give Miriam some cities that fringe on Hive Territory and watch them duke it out. The two "Aggressive' nations almost always destroy one another for my convinience in victory.

Good point when it belivers vs hive miariam usally wins.But like 80% of the time in my games he gets this huge contenit and hes on there w/ like someone like zack and so i hardley ever play a game where zack survives after 2200.Oh yeah u said you give cities to the ai i was wondering how often and how many because i do that alot after ive beatin a faction in to submisssion i give them back most of there cities so they will be able to do my dirty work.

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[This message has been edited by spycatcher34 (edited August 13, 2001).]

A single story, no. A bunch of stories, yes. I hate the Hive. He will kill himself just to hurt you. If you fight him, you have to hit him so hard and so fast that he can not so any major attacks back (planet busters). But since he always has like 10 units per city, it is hard to smash him within a few rounds. All those darn wimpy units take time to kill.

HAHAHAHAHA The Hive is great!!! Just play as the Hive and if you start on a large enough continent (even with other factions, as long as it's not an island) you're invincible! Against AI, anyway. I love playing Hive, commiting atrocities, being evil...
LONG LIVE THE HIVE!

Do you have a concious? You kill also those innocent people those people that had hopes and dreames like you those people...Sorry anyway you wouldnt get to far if you were playing aginst anybody else

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In regards to 'giving' other tribes...d'oh, Factions, bases, I often give the University a substantial total so that I can fight and he can give me all of his research.

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The Hive isn't usually too much of a factor in my games, though they can be annoying. I've never gotten into any protracted wars with Yang, just a skirmish here and there. I don't like it when he's close to my territory, but he usually leaves me alone. I did have an incident where Yang built a base right smack in the middle of my land, and we weren't even at war. I mind-probed the base and took it.

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I didnt think you could do that with out it being considered an act of war. Thats how it is for humans anyway.

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Sorry anyway you wouldnt get to far if you were playing aginst anybody else
--spycatcher

I usually win my multiplayer games when I LAN it up...of course I'm playing other newbies. (yes I consider myself a newbie, i've actually played very few games of SMAC) The poor people who choose wimp factions have no chance against the juggernaut of the HIVE!!!!

Yeah, in MP you need to be able to fight. I'd never play Morgan MP, unless it was a HUGE map and there were more than 4 humans involved.

I personally consider the hive a faction without a strategy. With factions like the morgans, the uni, or even the gains you need to have a strategy and it is more of an art to play with them and use there strengths to your advantage. Maybe because i dont usually go for a conquest win that i dont use the more "brutal" factions. Sure it may be easier to win with a faction like that if your playing with people like yourself. But if you were playing mp vs me dont think it would be so easy. Often these factions are over-looked because some might think that they dont pack quite a "punch" but i ask you are you looking at the right "punch"? Yes i wrote this myself so dont go trying to steal my words.<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

-my 2cents

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[This message has been edited by spycatcher34 (edited August 15, 2001).]

Originally posted by spycatcher34:
I didnt think you could do that with out it being considered an act of war. Thats how it is for humans anyway.


Total Mind Control give your the chance of an untraceble capture (since obvious they will know who got, then it must be untraceble how) with no diplo effect if succesful). It cost most and has a lower chance than plain mind control. There is no reason the chosee toal mind control over regular mind control is you are already at war with the victem.

Taht you should of been a they. I didnt think they could build a base in your territory w/o it causeing a problem.

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Yes I don't like the Hive either. That is a funny idea, let some factions trounce each other(mwahah). http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/lol.gif

I get annoyed when I start right next to him since it takes awhile to slay him out of the game. It is really annoying.

Believing Recon Rovers/Laser Squads can easily destroy early Hive defense units (with either Synthmetal or Plasma armor) behind their innate Perimeter Defenses. With only eleven, I entered four of their cities in the first century playing at a high difficulty level on a large map. Their bonus, however, is annoying; even as Hive a strive for the Citizens' Defense Force just to forestall the proliferation of Perimeter Defenses in new enemy cities.

From my viewpoint, playing against the Gaians after, say, 2250, is the toughest. I have to take into account their marauding Mind Worms, esp. Isles of the Deep, while lumberingly expanding.

The effects of the mind control options, by the way, are paralleled by the incite/subvert methods used in Civ II.

PS: In the beta version of the game, wasn't the Hive faction called the Labyrinth?

I really couldn't join the AHC myself. First of all I tend to ally with the Hive anytime I play offensively in Single Player, as long as you avoid "annoying" your precious ally the Hive combined with the military might of ( most often ) the Spartans or the Believers, or any other faction that has ( often through Social Engineering ) geared up for war.

I often play the Hive, if nothing else than for some change. I really have yet to find a single faction I am entirely comfortable with, as I can enjoy all the different styles the various factions offer you.

And since I admit to being a little to passive and politically minded most times I play I tend to let Yang grow too large often. As long as he does not end up duking it out with either of the other militant factions he tends to claim a large continent to himself, or ally with the other faction on the continent against someone else. And when left unchecked like that his large cities and powerful industry comes to it's full right, making him a formidable opponent.

Well, alien, are you ready to join the Hive Fan Club? Though the first order of business would be to come up with a better name than HFC...Perhaps the Hive Institue for Vituperating Enemies(H.I.V.E.)

A call to assembly!

All in their sane and humane minds come together!

To repell this rising evil!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

You and your pathetic AHC better give up now spycatcher...The H.I.V.E. will sweep all before it, just as the Hive sweeps away all other factions on Alpha Centauri...You have no hope.

You waited so long to heed us, earthspycatcher,
Almost we pruned you, as we may yet prune your branches. Or cut you down.
-- Chairman Kundor, "Conversations with Planet"

Man has killed man from the beginning of time, and each new frontier has brought new ways and new places to die. Why should the future be different?

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"

Why do you insist that the human genetic code is "sacred" or "taboo"?
It is a chemical process and nothing more. For that matter -we- are chemical processes and nothing more. If you deny yourself a useful tool simply because it reminds you uncomfortably of your mortality, you have uselessly and pointlessly crippled yourself.

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Looking God in the Eye"

The Chairman's private residences shall remain off-limits to
the AHC Genetic Inspectors. We possess no retroviral capability,
we are not researching retroviral engineering, and we shall not
allow the AHC to violate faction privileges in the name of this
ridiculous witch hunt!

-- Chairman Kundor

What do I care for your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no
more than information before the senses, data fed to the
computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received
the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and
you shall become master of the output.

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Essays on Mind and Matter"


God does not play dice.

-- Albert Einstein, Datalinks

Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play
dice, the dice are loaded. (In favor of the Hive.)

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Looking God in the Eye"

Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they
warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment.

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Essays on Mind and Matter"

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or
Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Essays on Mind and Matter"

It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and
become one with all the people.

-- Chairman Kundor,
"Ethics for Tomorrow"

Woe to me! For I have tated the fruit of evil!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol
Chairmen "kundor" HA!
Meet your doom I now stlye myself Sister Spy of the DRA(drone rights assoc.) under Brother Lal. Lal supports us in every way and as you surly know he IS the Planetry Governer.

I have been in touch with Morgan latley and he tells me not to pleased with your recent probe activity near his territory. And I'm sure he'd love to provied credits to support our cause if your were to doing anything. Just a freindly warning.



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To anyone interested due to a recent volcano eruption some of our senior leaders have gone to aid the victums, so the DRA is looking for prominate drones interested in assiting to protect the rights of fellow drone no matter WHAT faction they belong to.


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Oh ant btw we just acheived plant buster capibility so dont try anything :)
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Edit: It seems as if some sunspot activity cause a few minnor grammatical errors in my transmission;)

* taps a finger to his chin and contemplates *

H.I.V.E ehh..?

Excuse me for a moment, I shall have to consult the datalinks on that one. * nods *

:scan:

Chairman Kundor, you much beware. Brother Sukenis of the Believers is a member of the AHC and while I do not allways support Brother Lal, I have found Sister Spy to be a most pious and devout person. If God wishes for her to war with the H.I.V.E. then my armies shall join her in crushing your atheist state and replacing it with one who allows fellowhipping with my humble followers.

We must decent (by killing the H.I.V.E.)

Beware those who seek H.I.V.E. forthmost, for your god is waiting for you. And he is just beyond the last believer with a plasma shard.

(*squeals with delight*) Ohh Mr Sukenis we appreicate your support and now name you minister of foreign afairs. Since I dont wish to waste my pericous time you will be our liasion to all other factions and groups on planet. Ih you have any problems, complaints or request please feel free to PM me. Thank you:)



On and mr alien, I'm sure you were momentirly blinded by kundork's "amazing":rolleyes: ability to change quote. And am sure that you have come around by now:D

I am pleased to announce the formation of the Youth Assimilation and Naturalization Group, the Y.A.N.G., to ensure that the children of humanity learn the true way for a utopian society. 3 Youths have already been inducted into the ways of the H.I.V.E. (Okay, they're freshmen at my high school.) We will grow and we will bring all humanity to our blissful, productive, and invincible way of life! Soon the destructive dream of personal achievement will be forgotten forever and everyone will work for the greater good of the group and all humanity!

Don't repeat the mistakes of Earth, where the grasping, capitalistic society led to such great destruction. Forget selfishness; learn the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment.

Morgan would repeat the selfish mistakes which destroyed Earth. Santiago has an individualist society based on combat and destruction which completely forgets the greater good. Godwinson would reestablish the opiate of the masses which commands a greater faith in followers than the health of the race, leading to holy wars. Skye would kill all humans rather than hurt her precious planet. Zakharov would bring back the evil powers which corrupted Earth. Lal wants to compromise, when compromises only sully and corrupt and weaken the race.

Only the Hive leads to survival! The Hive is final utopia, through which humanity's final fulfillment will arrive! Join the H.I.V.E. and crush the resistance to this perfection!

I ask you, the free drones of this site, would YOU want to live as a citezin of the hive? To be subjected into submission by fear and oppression. To have to work as a Slave? How I ask you how can you let this contuine. People must live under the ground and in fear. Some would mariam brainwhases their young. However at leat theyt are not taught to worship this in humane monster that callls himself yang. To be told what to do every moment of your life what to do how to do it and when to do it. Is this the life you want and desire? To have no choice in anything and everything that concerns YOU? For your exsitence to be little more than a number such as a prisoner. For yang to act as if you were nothing more than a simple bee in exsitence for nothing else than to worship and attend to him? At leat the belivers teach of a loving God who knows them by name(not number in know at all). And a God who loves and cares for them. I tell you this is the horrid truth of life for a hive citezen. Why then do you just sit there? Starring at this message. ACT NOW! Join us the DRA and help to stand tall aginst this inhumane operation know as the h.i.v.e. For together we can overcome all evil. Thank you.

hey everyone this is my first post on civfanatics which is a great forum, kundor told me about it and now ill be here all the time cuz im a great civ and ac fan. ANYWAY im the first member to join his y.a.n.g. because i have to say the HIVE IS GREAT i learned to play ac from kundor at a lan party and he showed me how much superior it is. THE HIVE WILL CONQUER ALL. my first game i played as hive was mp but there was ai around and i started near the univ, i *****-slapped that stupid provost back to russia, i got to introgate him and he screammed like a baby hahahaha
i lost the game tho cuz it was the first time i palyed, id played civ2 and stuff but never ac. some jerk playin the stupid spartans killed me but now ive been playin it at hom (i got a copy at the party ;) (hey these smilie things are great)) and ive tried the different faction, all the rest are wimpy or freaked out or say these stupid things, the HIVE IS THE BEST YAH!!!

some jerk playin the stupid spartans killed me


Be careful how you address your chairman, Richard...that was me, you know...

Yes, Richard was the first of my disciples to accept the ways of the H.I.V.E. at an early age and became the charter member of the Y.A.N.G. His enlightened status should be an example to you all! Now I'll just have to teach him some grammer and punctuation, if only to differentiate him from the leadership of our opposition... :rolleyes:

Beware, you who think the march to perfection can be obstructed! Resistance is futile. You will be vituperated.

:lol: Your chromes are hilarious;) :lol:

Be forewarned i shall return in greater number!:egypt: :egypt:

Sister Spycatcher34, worry not. For God will delivers me (and thus you) out of the hands of any number of misled Y.A.N.G.s out there. I shal just have to call in my X plasma shard drop troops and put an end to this H.I.V.E. once and for all. I fear that Chairman Kundor has brainwashed all his citizens and they must be gasses in order to save all those on planets souls.

also does anyone else feel a nice size MP game coming on?

And the AZC looks on with interest.... :satan:

I was playing a cool game that got wiped out by a fluke hard drive failure. I was playing as the Spartan Federation and was allied with the Morganites and the Gaians and the Peacekeepers, at war with teh Hive and the University. Believers gone bfore war started. I was conqering univ. cities when I lost the drive.

Thats too bad...:(

I'm sure you would of wipe out the hive eventually![insert mwhhhaa smilie]

One of Nwabudike's minions looks on with mounting interest...

* shakes his head and pockets his datapad *

Blinded I was not, I could never allow myself to be swayed by the honeyed tongues of those with strong factional leanings. As a neutral observer it is my sole duty to watch, and to report my observations to the Datalinks so that other with the proper authority may take part of it.

This shall be taken down in due time, now feel free to continue your verbal dueling.