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snipperrabbit!!
Apr 09, 2012, 04:32 AM
link here (http://www.destructoid.com/pax-have-some-faith-in-civilization-v-gods-kings-225436.phtml)

Gorgeous screen of the latest wonder

anandus
Apr 09, 2012, 04:38 AM
Well that's a definitive confirmation of the suspected CN Tower :)
(So that's one more world wonder to go. Or two if the great firewall is a ntional wonder)

theadder
Apr 09, 2012, 04:42 AM
Well that's a definitive confirmation of the suspected CN Tower :)

I wonder what the benefit of the CN Tower will be.

(So that's one more world wonder to go. Or two if the great firewall is a ntional wonder)

Somewhat off-topic, but I will never understand what possessed them to add the Great Firewall. It seems rather bizarre that presumably civilisations of any alignment, whether Freedom or Autocracy, will presumably see a benefit as well.

anandus
Apr 09, 2012, 04:48 AM
Somewhat off-topic, but I will never understand what possessed them to add the Great Firewall. It seems rather bizarre that presumably civilisations of any alignment, whether Freedom or Autocracy, will presumably see a benefit as well.From what I heard it block enemy espionage, so I can definitely see the advantage, regardless of policies.

CYZ
Apr 09, 2012, 04:56 AM
From what I heard it block enemy espionage, so I can definitely see the advantage, regardless of policies.

The Great Firewall seems to be in the line of the Giant Death Robot. Added mostly because it's supposed to be funny.

Blocking spionage seems like a powerfull advantage though.

theadder
Apr 09, 2012, 04:58 AM
From what I heard it block enemy espionage, so I can definitely see the advantage, regardless of policies.

I was referring mainly to the fact that the rest of the wonders are legitimately good things, whether for scientific, technological or artistic reasons. They are the great works of art and triumphs of human civilisation.

The Great Firewall is a panic stricken authoritarian government's attempt to oppress their people. Not of the same calibre as Stonehenge or the Temple of Artemis.

It makes sense that the effect that they have chosen would impact players of all stripes within the game. It is the choice of the Great Firewall itself that is strange; regardless, the real enterprise has little to do with enemy espionage and a lot more to do with a fear of the Chinese people and a desire to prevent revolt.

It is a pity that they did not select a different object or endeavour to provide the benefit.

anandus
Apr 09, 2012, 05:05 AM
I was referring mainly to the fact that the rest of the wonders are legitimately good things, whether for scientific, technological or artistic reasons. They are the great works of art and triumphs of human civilisation.What about the Pentagon, the Manhattan Project, the Kremlin, the Great Wall, Himeji castle? All things not build for good, but for evil (war mostly)

I can't see why wonders should be 'good things'. A wonder should be an impressive thing, not perse a good thing (which is also highly subjective).

CYZ
Apr 09, 2012, 05:14 AM
What about the Pentagon, the Manhattan Project, the Kremlin, the Great Wall, Himeji castle? All things not build for good, but for evil (war mostly)

I can't see why wonders should be 'good things'. A wonder should be an impressive thing, not perse a good thing (which is also highly subjective).

I don't mind that personally. But I do hope it is a project and not an actual wonder (has that been confirmed yet?).

theadder
Apr 09, 2012, 05:18 AM
What about the Pentagon, the Manhattan Project, the Kremlin, the Great Wall, Himeji castle? All things not build for good, but for evil (war mostly)

I can't see why wonders should be 'good things'. A wonder should be an impressive thing, not perse a good thing (which is also highly subjective).

I realise that there's likely to be disagreement about this, but I'd probably claim all of your examples as good things, albeit with varying degrees.

The Pentagon and Manhattan Project are examples of democracies defending themselves; in fact they were both built to prosecute World War II - it is hard to find a more moral purpose in human history.

The Great Wall is an example of undemocratic civilisation, within a generally undemocratic world at that time, defending itself; as is the Himeji Castle. I'd probably claim the latter as a work as art as well.

All societies have to defend themselves and keep order and the fact that it is a military project does not have to place it in a 'bad' category. The inclusion of the Great Firewall is not so much an annoyance-inducing thing as a disappointment-inducing one.

I am glad that they are bringing more later wonders with the expansion, however; that's most welcome. It branches out somewhat from the purpose of this thread, but if Hubble is also in then that's excellent.

Rob (R8XFT)
Apr 09, 2012, 05:45 AM
I'm hoping for the Shwedagon pagoda to be included as a wonder. It definately sits with the religious aspect of the expansion.

Fern
Apr 09, 2012, 08:01 AM
"Empire of Smoky Eyes" scenario, hmm... :crazyeye:

By the way, who's the male leader on the last screen shot? My guess is that he represents Ethiopia.

Louis XXIV
Apr 09, 2012, 08:04 AM
It's Haile Selassie of Ethiopia. He was featured in the demo.

Xichael
Apr 09, 2012, 08:39 AM
The new wonder is going to be the 401? What does it do, reduce happiness on weekends? :lol:

I wonder what the benefit of the CN Tower will be.
Probably something culture related.

Montov
Apr 09, 2012, 09:01 AM
Interesting screenshot. The unit info panel is in the new G&K style, where the demo at PAX had it in the vanilla style. But it is from the same savegame.

Machine Gun is available at Ballistics, a new tech.

Louis XXIV
Apr 09, 2012, 09:23 AM
The panel is just large icons (which makes for a better screenshot). I think you can do that now.

anandus
Apr 09, 2012, 09:25 AM
Machine Gun is available at Ballistics, a new tech.Not entirely new, the sound files are already present in the vanilla files. So it probably already was in the game, but was scrapped at a later moment (somewhere before release).

Edit:
For instance, [Steam folder]\steamapps\common\sid meier's civilization v\assets\Sounds\Speech\English\Tech\TechBallistics .mp3

headcase
Apr 09, 2012, 09:34 AM
The new wonder is going to be the 401? What does it do, reduce happiness on weekends? :lol:

As someone who needs take it during weekdays from time to time, it is not a problem relegated to only weekends :lol:

For the CN Tower I'm going to guess culture, happiness, possibly some science. Even with the expanded late game, it will still be later than many wonders so it will probably be fairly powerful. Really it could be anything... gold, % great people points, the only things that would be kind of weird would be apples and hammers.

Camikaze
Apr 09, 2012, 09:56 AM
The following line is interesting, regarded the uniqueness of city states luxuries:
[...] mercantile cities will add two new luxury items that can only be gained from city states.
I wonder if that's accurate or not.

Deggial
Apr 09, 2012, 10:01 AM
Isn't this known since long, already?

At least jewelery was mentioned before. Porcelain is the second.

Louis XXIV
Apr 09, 2012, 10:02 AM
We know of two, we don't know if there are more. It's possible they'll only add two. It might be better for balance this way.

Camikaze
Apr 09, 2012, 10:03 AM
Isn't this known since long, already?

At least jewelery was mentioned before. Porcelain is the second.

Yes, but the big question remains as to whether there is just two, or more. This article seems to strongly indicate that it is just two.

snipperrabbit!!
Apr 09, 2012, 10:06 AM
I believe you can form a monopoly on one AND/OR another in order to sell them to other civs ie. with 3 porcelain & 2 jewelry you can trade 2 & 1 without losing additional happines unless you are Dutch.

You still benefit the happiness the mercantile provides you in the same way of a maritime.

Deggial
Apr 09, 2012, 10:25 AM
Yes, but the big question remains as to whether there is just two, or more. This article seems to strongly indicate that it is just two.

Ah, I see.

Well, every time this toppic was mentioned in interviews, it seemed to me, that there are in fact only these two ressources (regarding emphasis, wording and so on).
But, of course, it was never said *particulary*, that there *aren't* more.

And, as Lous said, I think two are sound for balance reasons.

Louis XXIV
Apr 09, 2012, 10:30 AM
I personally hope there are more, but I don't know. I think the article reflects that only two have been mentioned so I wouldn't read more, though.

nokmirt
Apr 09, 2012, 10:38 AM
I doubt it, Dennis Shirk said there are two types jewelry and porecelain. If they added another it probably will be via DLC.

CYZ
Apr 09, 2012, 10:54 AM
I actually hope it's just two, or else mercantile CS will be very powerfull compared to the others. There are certainly more normal resources being added though, that's great!

Deggial
Apr 09, 2012, 10:55 AM
There are certainly more normal resources being added though, that's great!

Somehow I knew, you would like this... ;)

Louis XXIV
Apr 09, 2012, 11:18 AM
I doubt it, Dennis Shirk said there are two types jewelry and porecelain. If they added another it probably will be via DLC.

Well, he said you can get jewelry or porcelain, I don't think he said "only" jewelry or porcelain. He could have just been listing examples. It might just be two, I'm just listing other explanations.

Pouakai
Apr 09, 2012, 01:17 PM
The art for the CN Tower is beautiful. And if I'm not mistaken, that is the Machine gunner and Anti-tank gun? On Ballistics

TheKingOfBigOz
Apr 09, 2012, 01:52 PM
The art for the CN Tower is beautiful. And if I'm not mistaken, that is the Machine gunner and Anti-tank gun? On Ballistics

I wonder if they re-added the four previously delted techs that have their files remaining in the files (Ballistics, Publishing, Patronage and Calculus)

anandus
Apr 09, 2012, 02:06 PM
Well, he said you can get jewelry or porcelain, I don't think he said "only" jewelry or porcelain. He could have just been listing examples. It might just be two, I'm just listing other explanations.He said either jewelry or porcelain, which is close enough.

AriochIV
Apr 09, 2012, 02:35 PM
The art for the CN Tower is beautiful. And if I'm not mistaken, that is the Machine gunner and Anti-tank gun? On Ballistics
Looks like Anti-aircraft gun and Machine Gun.

http://www.well-of-souls.com/civ/images/ballistics1.jpg

snipperrabbit!!
Apr 09, 2012, 02:41 PM
I posted a better pic of that one, Arioch.

Pouakai
Apr 09, 2012, 02:43 PM
That's the one. I knew there was something ingame already with that icon.

Also, there is a Hi-res image from another site that I saw someone post:

http://gamershavennews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Civ5Pax.jpg

EDIT: Ninja'd, credit for the image goes to Snipperrabbit!!

nokmirt
Apr 11, 2012, 01:10 AM
Looks like Anti-aircraft gun and Machine Gun.

http://www.well-of-souls.com/civ/images/ballistics1.jpg

So is there a WWII machinegun upgrade? He already has an MG on the map. That is weird unless they set it up that way. It has no damage next to the citadel.

CYZ
Apr 11, 2012, 01:46 AM
Somehow I knew, you would like this... ;)

I have become predictable, oh no! :eek:

marekb
Apr 11, 2012, 04:16 AM
He already has an MG on the map. That is weird unless they set it up that way. It has no damage next to the citadel.I've also noticed that but he could get this MG form CS. Sometimes CS gives you more advanced units.

Shabbaman
Apr 11, 2012, 04:31 AM
What do machine guns have in common with ballistics? Something like an artillery unit seems more fitting. Oh well...

Ashbery76
Apr 12, 2012, 05:04 AM
What do machine guns have in common with ballistics? Something like an artillery unit seems more fitting. Oh well...

How about everything.

sstger
Apr 15, 2012, 01:58 PM
I've also noticed that but he could get this MG form CS. Sometimes CS gives you more advanced units.

I've never get a unit that I cant built myself from a CS ally... but can be wrong.:confused: