Welcome to Turf Wars!

http://i.imgur.com/HWozW.jpg

This is a mini mafia game set in a town-ish, city-ish style setting. Basically, it's mafia.

Rules:
--Day is 48 hours, Night is 24 hours. During the day, vote for who you want to be lynched. During the night, PM all night actions to me.
--Bold your votes. Vote: tag is not required.
--If you wish to unovte, either Unvote or strike out.
--Dead talking is allowed, but no claiming of anything you did, have done, or planned to do. Don't get spammy.
--Night talking in thread is also allowed. Again, try not to get spammy.
--Private communication is allowed.
--No Lynch and Abstain are not allowed.
--Don't edit your posts unless you screw up grammatically, mathematically, or philosophically. Jack Sparrow getting the best of me there.
--Don't quote PMs. Paraphrase. It's good for you.
--Alignment reveal on death. Role reveal at end of game.
--Have fun. Yes, this is required.

Now that the boring stuff is out of the way, who thinks they can survive the town?

1. classical_hero
2. Dreadnought
3. Visorslash
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK
9. filli_noctus
10. Mat93

Don't think I'll need reserves, but just in case:
1. topsecret
2.

in .

Consider me:

In.

5charcoal.

Is that an in?

No it's a pokemon. What do you think? :p

Is it vanilla?

Oh, and BTW, this game (if signups are done by then), will start on Sunday, May 6th. No earlier.

And Visorslash, :nope:

Interesting. Well, in case you require it: In

I'll be in.

I think Visorslash can change his signature now that he is no longer in the game.

Four games at once in signups or active? What is the world coming to? Can you tell I'm interested in mafia this month? :D

Count me in

I think Visorslash can change his signature now that he is no longer in the game.

Don't intervine, Classical.

Also, you made me lose the game. :(

IN I'm IN

I will join in.

Don't intervine, Classical.

Also, you made me lose the game. :(

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff163/demondarkfire/lostthegame.jpg

In. (Is that 10?)

That's 10. We'll start on Sunday. Maybe Friday, but probably Sunday.

I'll reserve.

I have changed my mind. It starts today. Role PMs are being sent.

Please do not post until I say so.

Alright. All role PMs have been sent. I did not request a read receipt, so a post in thread will let me know that you're playing.

There are a couple of experimental roles and concepts in this game. Have fun with it.

Day 1 begins now. It will end Friday, May 4th at 5:00 PM EST

The bottle has been spun, and it points towards Mat93.

Vote: Mat93

Vote: DarthNader, because he posted just before me. :p

Vote: JoanK for the heinous crime of voting for the person above them. Wait, did I do this joke already? Well damn.

Vote: NinjaCow64

as per the tradition.

As following that tradition will end badly for me, Vote: Verarde

RNG as per my usual R1 vote.

There are a couple of experimental roles and concepts in this game. Have fun with it.[/B]

The one thing you did not explain in my role PM is when I can use my ability, "Kill Everybody Except Yourself." You said I can't use it immediately. When can I use it?


And gah, no BSmith in this game. So, NinjaCow64. Hiya!

The one thing you did not explain in my role PM is when I can use my ability, "Kill Everybody Except Yourself." You said I can't use it immediately. When can I use it?


And gah, no BSmith in this game. So, NinjaCow64. Hiya!

:trouble:

You pickin' on the Aussies, eh mate?

Vote: Verarde

Uh, no? That was purely RNG.

I haven't RNG'd in a while.

vote: classical_hero pseudo-random -- running out of people who don't have votes.

vote:Dreadnaught

I never knew Ninjacow was Australian.

vote:Dreadnaught

I never knew Ninjacow was Australian.

Yeah, I am mate. I should really put it in my location.

Tally:
1 Mat93 (DarthNader)
1 DarthNader (AVerySpecialK)
1 JoanK (NinjaCow)
2 NinjaCow (Dreadnought, Verarde)
2 Verarde (Mat93, Visorslash)
1 Classical_Hero (DaveShack)
1 Dreadnought (Classical_Hero)

Not voting: filli_noctus

Vote: Mat93
Mat93, Mafia. Coincidence? Probably, but it's the best lead I've got.

Yeah, I am mate. I should really put it in my location.

:cool:

Has the day ended?

Tip for all hosts, it helps to clearly post an ending date/time, including the time zone. (I work with an international team so it's second nature both to do this myself and remind others. ;) )

Ok, all votes are in, but I will hold off because the night would be about 34 hours if I ended it now. The night will already be 31 hours, so I'm just going to wait until 4 PM EST to end the day.

@DaveShack-- I put the time in the top post of this page.

Ok, all votes are in, but I will hold off because the night would be about 34 hours if I ended it now. The night will already be 31 hours, so I'm just going to wait until 4 PM EST to end the day.

@DaveShack-- I put the time in the top post of this page.

How long until 4 PM EST? (I'm too lasy to convert it)

And what if you have 40 posts a page?

It's post 21. And that's in 2 hours.

Any opinions on ending the day early? Night 1 will end at the same time no matter when Day 1 ends, whether it be now or 2 hours from now.

END OF DAY 1

Vote Tally:
2 Mat93 (DarthNader, filli_noctus)
1 DarthNader (JoanK)
1 JoanK (NinjaCow)
2 NinjaCow (Dreadnought, Verarde)
2 Verarde (Mat93, Visorslash)
1 Classical_Hero (DaveShack)
1 Dreadnought (Classical_Hero)

At the end of Day 1, the people gathered at City Hall. They all started yelling out for different people to be lynched. Mayor Buddhafish yelled, "ENOUGH", and everyone quieted down. "I say that there shall be no lynch today, since you all can't seem to figure out who the hell should die. That is my decree. Go to sleep!"

And so, Night 1 began.

Send me your night actions. Night 1 will end May 5, 11 PM EST. +/- 1 hour

Yes, the night will last a little over 30 hours, but I won't be at my computer pretty much all day tomorrow.

Anyone object to the night ending at 24 hours?

I don't have all of the orders, but I am willing to end the night early if everyone wants to.

No objection (and in 99% of cases, i wont object to an 24 hour night, or 48 hour day (or more)).

No objections here.

I don't mind either way.

No OBJECTION!

Alright. Night 1 has ended. Result PMs are being sent.

Alright. Night 1 has ended. Role PMs are being sent.

You mean result PMs?

Sorry, yes. :blush: Result PMs are being sent. Other post edited.

END OF NIGHT 1

The town was sleeping.When they woke, they found out that some stuff had happened.


First, the town found the body of Visorslash in the town square with 3 bullets in his chest. A revolver was lying next to him.

Visorslash was North Mafia

The town kept searching though, and they found the body of DaveShack, lying on a side street with a slash through his neck.



DaveShack was town

1. classical_hero
2. Dreadnought
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK
9. filli_noctus
10. Mat93


Day 2 has begun.

Day 2 will end at 10 PM EST on May 7th.

****. Well that's just great.

I made the big leagues, dangerous enough to be worth a N1 kill. I'm touched. <sniff>

Who would have said? At least we have a Vig. Either that or two Mafias :p

Who would have said? At least we have a Vig. Either that or two Mafias :p

Or a Serial Killer.

Anyway, Vote: JoanK as a placeholder vote and we'll see what happens today.

MEIN GOTT! How you dare oppose me? I am your almighty overlord! Bow now or my fury will be unleashed upon you!

I have decided that classical_hero shall be lynched today. I don't trust him.

A little bit of PIS from JoanK, methinks.

Visorslash was North Mafia

"North" Mafia probably implies there is also a "South" Mafia.

Dreadnought for pointing out the obvious, and providing no thoughts. Although JoanK is one I am keeping a very close eye on, for being quick to provide an alternative to 2 mafias.

Although depending on the order of kills, Visor may have been performing his factions kill, but was killed before he could, giving 3 total night kills avaliable. I doubt this, but it's possible.

Could their be an east and a west mafia also?

So great, apparently thinking fast automatically makes you scum. I understand, it's not the first time someone votes somebody else because they were the first people to post after the update. I mean, if my reasoning just after the update is what induced you to see a fake PIS...

And, I don't know, but seeing as only 2 people were killed, and this is Mini Mafia, I'd say there aren't more than 2 Mafias, and find a bit ... "incredible" that someone can think there are 4 Mafias.

Dreadnought for pointing out the obvious, and providing no thoughts. Although JoanK is one I am keeping a very close eye on, for being quick to provide an alternative to 2 mafias.

Although depending on the order of kills, Visor may have been performing his factions kill, but was killed before he could, giving 3 total night kills avaliable. I doubt this, but it's possible.

Bit of a knee-jerk reaction there, don't you think? Especially considering we don't have much to work with.

Unvote: JoanK; Vote: Mat93 Why react so strongly? I see now that it's a distinct possibility that there could be two mafias, or one mafia and a vig, it's plainly obvious. My apologies for suspecting you of PIS, Joan K.

Bit of a knee-jerk reaction there, don't you think? Especially considering we don't have much to work with.Precisely because we don't have much to work with, he's acting under such a poor argument.

And, Verarde, I forgive you with my holy and magnanimous force of spirit.

What JoanK said, and also to put a bit of pressure on him, as I could see him going unnoticed through a few rounds, and thats not good (others as well, I somewhat chose him at random from a few people).

I don't think theres a vig, but I would be surprised if there wasn't either a doctor or cop role. No reason for saying that, just a gut feeling. For now, unvote

You know, Mat? You sound scummy now... I mean, sure, everybody's free to think there is not a vig, but 2 Mafias, and viceversa, but... certainly a weak reason, but this is the best I havve against anyone. unvote; Vote: Mat93

I don't see a reason in your post Joan...except just scum vibes from my post, for giving my opinion on what situation is more likely in my mind.

And verarde, you vote for me for reacting strongly to a post, isn't that somewhat of a strong reaction yourself?

Exactly, I see you could be the second Mafia and thus you think there is no vig cuz you know YOU killed Visorslash!

In fairness that does make sense. I will deny that for what it's worth, and why would I push the idea of a second mafia if I was it, harder to hide if people know you exist.

Main reason for the idea of 2 mafias being more likely to me than a mafia and a vig is simply the 'North'.

I can see it, and I've thought of that too. if I said there could be a vig is because there can be one, but the 2 Mafias theory is also my favourite, to be honest.

Two Mafias and one Vig would be a very, very quick game.

Methinks all this voting with Mat93 and JoanK is one big circle jerk. I'm just going with a place holder for now so...

Vote: filli_noctus

To my mind there's not a great deal of evidence to point at anyone in particular, Mat93 does seem a bit defensive, as others have pointed out. But the argument of JoanK having being very quick to present an alternative to two mafias also has merit (the :p at the end of the post makes me think the two mafias comment was not supposed to be taken entirely seriously). Going with a gut feeling I'm going to vote: JoanK.

I'm thinking of keeping my vote of JoanK. He's acting like he did in White Walkers and he was scum back then.

Great. Kudos on your wrong guts. And kudos on my Mafia performance in WW. It will deprive me of some fun, apparently.

vote:fillis_noctus

I hope your gut feeling is a good one.

Vote: JoanK

Oh, dude. I hoped you'd understand. But no, and now I won't be able to use my ability, although I doubt that I would ever use it anyway.

Oh, dude. I hoped you'd understand. But no, and now I won't be able to use my ability, although I doubt that I would ever use it anyway.

Why didnt you use it last night then?

And as that seems like a desperate attempt to stop people voting for you, claiming an ability, vote: JoanK (subject to his response to my above question).

Because it's a one-use only ability, and it would would be stupid to use it in a circumstance which actually rendered it useless as it was the lack of a lynch. I didn't want to do this, since I was expecting this to happen. This is the ability I claimed to have in Fallout Mafia. Only, I messed both games, and that's why I ended up claiming to have an ability in a vanilla game. (:suicide:)

That is also quite understandable if you read that I said I probably wouldn't use it anyway.

Unvote.

We'll know tomorrow if he is scum or not, at which point we can lynch him (or not, if need be.)

Day will end in 5 hours

Vote Tally:
3--JoanK (NinjaCow64, filli_noctus, Mat93)
2--filli_noctus (classical_hero, DarthNader)
1--Mat93 (Verarde)
1--classical_hero (JoanK)

Not Voting: Dreadnought

What will you know tomorrow that you can't know today? I'll tell you: you'll know that you've lynched an innocent man, and then you will have to look for Mafiosi among the people who voted me and the people who, when this vote was decided, voted for other people without putting up cases. Although, this vote seems much more tight than I hope. Possibly I got the games messed again. :undecide:

Although I don't have anything against you, I know that I am town and have an ability, but I don't know if you do. Therefore, as you might very well be a Mafioso for all I know, vote: filli_noctus

If my filler vote is going to get someone lynched, I'm going to change it.

Unvote;Vote: Verarde

Joan, you might need to unvote (tag, or strikeout) for that change to count.

I have a feeling about Verarde, but not enough to make me change my vote. Enough of a feeling to make me want to be a vig, but alas, thats not how it has turned out.

Well, it doesn't matter now, really. Because if I changed my vote was to get tied with filli, so that I could avoid lynch. But, alas, the people have chosen! The die is cast.

Joan, it would be really useful to roleclaim rather than just go "woe is me I'm going to die". Then we would have some more information.

JoanK, please either strike out or Unvote. I'm still counting you as voting for classical_hero right now.

Day 2 ends in 45 minutes

Vote: JoanK


If he provides more detailed explanation for his claim, I may change it before 10 PM the deadline, though it looks like it's too late anyways.

Posting closed for update.

Day 2 Over

As the sun began to set, the town walked toward City Hall with a decision. Everyone knew the outcome, and JoanK accepted his fate. As they approached, Mayor Buddhafish asked the crowd, "Who shall die?"

The response was, "JoanK". And so, he was lynched.

JoanK was Town


Vote Tally:
4--JoanK (Dreadnought, NinjaCow64, filli_noctus, Mat93)
1--filli_noctus (classical_hero)
1--Mat93 (Verarde)
1--classical_hero (JoanK)
1--Verarde (DarthNader)


Player List:
1. classical_hero
2. Dreadnought
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK Lynched Day 2--Town
9. filli_noctus
10. Mat93

Night 2 has begun. PM me your actions.

Night 2 will end at 10 PM EST on May 8.

Oh, dude, giving me 45 minutes in the middle of my sleep can't be counted as an opportunity.

That was the 45 minute warning, not an extra 45 minutes for you to try and save yourself.

I know. I mean Dreadnought's vote.

I know. I mean Dreadnought's vote.

To be fair, my vote wasn't even necessary to get you lynched.

You did, technically, have several hours from NinjaCow. But what's done is done.

But if your vote was on filli I could have not died. I don't think it would have happened anyway.

Night 2 Over

The town gathered at City Hall to find that during the middle of the night, again some stuff had happened. And they found the body of Dreadnought lying there on the ground, stabbed through his heart. He had a gun in his hand.

Dreadnought was North Mafia

Player List:
1. classical_hero
2. Dreadnought Killed Night 2--North Mafia
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK Lynched Day 2--Town
9. filli_noctus
10. Mat93

Day 3 has begun

Result PMs are being sent.

Day will end at 10 PM EST on May 10th

The hell? I don't know whether to be happy that the Mafia are dying..or concerned that whoever is killing them is another threat to us.

Mein Gott... What's happening here?

So it seems that there are either a south mafia of two or we only have one more mafia member left?

So it seems that there are either a south mafia of two or we only have one more mafia member left?

Methinks SK.

Vote: classical_hero as a placeholder vote because if the scum were all the first three to sign up then that would be awesome. :p

Wow. The scum are dropping like flies. How did you come up with those figures c_h? No FoS, I'm just not familiar enough with the game yet to know the usual scum:town ratio.

Wow. The scum are dropping like flies. How did you come up with those figures c_h? No FoS, I'm just not familiar enough with the game yet to know the usual scum:town ratio.

A Mafia team has to have at least 2 people to be called a Mafia. 1 lone scummster is a Serial Killer.

Also, unless Buddhafish is an evil mod then there wouldn't be a Mafia team with more than 3 people on it, not in a game this small.

How do we not know that Buddhafish is not evil? You are making assumptions of things that are not necessarily true.

How do we not know that Buddhafish is not evil? You are making assumptions of things that are not necessarily true.

You've got a point there.

Dreadnought for pointing out the obvious, and providing no thoughts. Although JoanK is one I am keeping a very close eye on, for being quick to provide an alternative to 2 mafias.
Unvote: JoanK; Vote: Mat93 Why react so strongly? I see now that it's a distinct possibility that there could be two mafias, or one mafia and a vig, it's plainly obvious. My apologies for suspecting you of PIS, Joan K.

This. Just this. Read what he said, how he changed his votes, and hasn't yet responded to my counter point. Then look at who he is defending, and who they turned out to be.

Vote:Verarde

A change of vote for no reason other than me 'reacting strongly'? Isn't that in itself reacting strongly, against just 1 vote. Looks very much like trying to get the attention directly on me, rather than wanting Dreadnought to need to be defending. Getting in that fairly quickly (in terms of posts between) so that no one has a chance to vote with me before you have your say, moving the discussion directly from my weak reason (but correct hunch) to my strong reaction, that was in effect just a pressure vote.

Would you be so quick to defend someone you don't know the role of? Would anyone be? I've read that post many times, and observed you lurking through the rest of the day phase, and I can't shake the feeling that you are scum because of it.

Also the apology to JoanK...looks like someone trying not to upset anyone, or have a viewpoint on someone that will come back to bite them later. Nothing wrong with an incorrect PIS or FoS if it causes more discussion, it's part of the game, why the urge to apologise to someone for it?

Final Point: Dreadnought was the North Mafia who tried to nightkill last night, I know that because he targetted me, and failed. This could simply be down to that I'm being an active townie, maybe not as much scumhunting as I would like, but putting pressure on people. Or it could simply be due to me being on the right track, not just on Dreadnought, but on Verarde (see Post 85). Would Dreadnought do for my death for accusing him, when I was afterwards defensive, and seeming scummy? I doubt it. Would Verarde want me dead for having a feeling about him being scum? Probably, because if I died my post would be buried, and the case against him never formed. Would Verarde want me dead for putting pressure on his scum ally, and giving an indication of going after him next? More than likely.


I accept that there is nothing conclusive, but it is a lot more than we have on anyone else. I'm 99% sure Verarde is scum, for the reasons I posted, but also just for the huge scum vibes, but I'm not sure if the other killer is a vig, serial killer, or mafia group right now. I'm guessing at serial killer, and will reveal my complete suspicions on who that is later, I'm more interested in Verarde's response for now, if I get one.

And verarde, you vote for me for reacting strongly to a post, isn't that somewhat of a strong reaction yourself?

Hiya!

Isn't that what mafia is all about? People's strong reactions reacting to other people's strong reactions about other's strong reactions about something someone did in a game long ago that has no bearing on the current game whatsoever, and the inheritance of distrust from previous games, and the fallacies of possibly misreading what someone said and lynching a power role, and then the glorious victory when you lynch the final mafia or when you get rid of that last townie.

And now for something completely different.

This. Just this. Read what he said, how he changed his votes, and hasn't yet responded to my counter point. Then look at who he is defending, and who they turned out to be.

There have been thousands of (un)documented cases where a mafia is able to win the trust of a townie, like Dreadnought did of me.
And I wasn't even trusting him. I just didn't like the way you jumped on him.
Vote:Verarde

Oof. That hurts.

A change of vote for no reason other than me 'reacting strongly'? Isn't that in itself reacting strongly, against just 1 vote. Looks very much like trying to get the attention directly on me, rather than wanting Dreadnought to need to be defending. Getting in that fairly quickly (in terms of posts between) so that no one has a chance to vote with me before you have your say, moving the discussion directly from my weak reason (but correct hunch) to my strong reaction, that was in effect just a pressure vote.

It was a pressure vote. It was Day 2. There wasn't really any good evidence against anyone else, and I figured, why not put a vote on Mat to see why he voted someone who pointed out something obvious.

That's why I voted you. You even said yourself that you voted him for "pointing out the obvious, and providing no thoughts." Dreadnought was just establishing the fact.

We see now that Dreadnought was North Mafia. The game hasn't ended, so either we have a SK or more mafia.

Perhaps there is only one mafia team, and they are just called North Mafia for flavor. Sometimes hosts do that, to throw a wrench into the system.

But maybe there is a South Mafia. And if there is, we need to focus on them. I think we should stop sniping at each other, Mat, and go knocking at the doors of some other people, see what they're up to.

Would you be so quick to defend someone you don't know the role of? Would anyone be? I've read that post many times, and observed you lurking through the rest of the day phase, and I can't shake the feeling that you are scum because of it.

You haven't played many games here. I'm known for being a lurker when townie, mainly because I don't have much else to do.

Also the apology to JoanK...looks like someone trying not to upset anyone, or have a viewpoint on someone that will come back to bite them later. Nothing wrong with an incorrect PIS or FoS if it causes more discussion, it's part of the game, why the urge to apologise to someone for it?

'Cuz I'ma nice guy. It also might have helped if he got a bad vibe from me, and the apology was just there. Day 2, everyone's just pointing fingers still, and not much else is going on.

Final Point: Dreadnought was the North Mafia who tried to nightkill last night, I know that because he targetted me, and failed.

Ah? How do you know he targeted you? PM, I suppose. Good to know. So, maybe we have a SK who targeted Dread, and we need to get them to end this.

This could simply be down to that I'm being an active townie, maybe not as much scumhunting as I would like, but putting pressure on people. Or it could simply be due to me being on the right track, not just on Dreadnought, but on Verarde (see Post 85). Would Dreadnought do for my death for accusing him, when I was afterwards defensive, and seeming scummy? I doubt it. Would Verarde want me dead for having a feeling about him being scum? Probably, because if I died my post would be buried, and the case against him never formed. Would Verarde want me dead for putting pressure on his scum ally, and giving an indication of going after him next? More than likely.

Currently, I have a feeling that there's an SK left in this game. Having more than two mafia in a 10 person game is a little unbalanced. So, if that's true...

Let's pretend for a moment that I am this possible SK, which is not true.

If so, why would I want you dead for putting pressure on Dreadnought? Wouldn't I be happy for you doing that? It would certainly take any possible pressure off of me.

/donepretending

I don't want you dead. I'd rather stay alive because having two active townies is better than one. An extra vote here or there can make the difference.

I accept that there is nothing conclusive, but it is a lot more than we have on anyone else. I'm 99% sure Verarde is scum, for the reasons I posted, but also just for the huge scum vibes, but I'm not sure if the other killer is a vig, serial killer, or mafia group right now. I'm guessing at serial killer, and will reveal my complete suspicions on who that is later, I'm more interested in Verarde's response for now, if I get one.

Well, I hope my responses have convinced you otherwise. I would very much like to work with you in the hopes of winning this game for the town.

Hiya!

Isn't that what mafia is all about? People's strong reactions reacting to other people's strong reactions about other's strong reactions about something someone did in a game long ago that has no bearing on the current game whatsoever, and the inheritance of distrust from previous games, and the fallacies of possibly misreading what someone said and lynching a power role, and then the glorious victory when you lynch the final mafia or when you get rid of that last townie.

And now for something completely different.


There have been thousands of (un)documented cases where a mafia is able to win the trust of a townie, like Dreadnought did of me.
And I wasn't even trusting him. I just didn't like the way you jumped on him.


That is a fair point, and you jumping on me for jumping on him is explainable by just a simple gut feeling that I'm wrong, but...

It was day 2, it's highly unlikely that you had any reason to trust him to that point, with day 1 being random votes, very little in day2 to that point, so I am a little sceptical of that. Although I admit that I don't see PMs between you, so there is a possibility that the communication for you to trust him was there. Still feeling that you are scum at this point.

Oof. That hurts.

Unsure about this comment. Probably safe to ignore.

It was a pressure vote. It was Day 2. There wasn't really any good evidence against anyone else, and I figured, why not put a vote on Mat to see why he voted someone who pointed out something obvious.

That's why I voted you. You even said yourself that you voted him for "pointing out the obvious, and providing no thoughts." Dreadnought was just establishing the fact.

We see now that Dreadnought was North Mafia. The game hasn't ended, so either we have a SK or more mafia.

Perhaps there is only one mafia team, and they are just called North Mafia for flavor. Sometimes hosts do that, to throw a wrench into the system.


Vote on me for pressure, understandable, as I did the same with my vote there. I do find it slightly strange that you didn't comment after that on me, but as you say a bit further down, I know very little of people's playstyles, town or otherwise, so not really any evidence to suggest 1 or the other there.

As for the possibility of just a SK left - I haven't given that too much thought to this point. I doubt it myself, but that has no evidence behind it.

Current feeling. Probably scummy, but less sure.

But maybe there is a South Mafia. And if there is, we need to focus on them. I think we should stop sniping at each other, Mat, and go knocking at the doors of some other people, see what they're up to.


You haven't played many games here. I'm known for being a lurker when townie, mainly because I don't have much else to do.


Agreed on the second point, I'm trying to avoid metagaming at all, and base my suspicions purely off what I see in the thread, and in some cases, don't see.

First point. My post wasn't intended as an attack on you so much, more an accusation, with some hostily, to try and get a response that could possibly have a slip up in it. My apologies if it seemed more as an personal attack, it wasn't intentional.

But I do agree that if this day becomes entirely us accusing and defending/counter accusing, then we will waste an opportunity to look at other people.

'Cuz I'ma nice guy. It also might have helped if he got a bad vibe from me, and the apology was just there. Day 2, everyone's just pointing fingers still, and not much else is going on.


Reasonable enough, I still think that it could of been to not make enemies, but I'm not convinced that was the sole reason, if it was a reason. Current feeling is probably scum.

Ah? How do you know he targeted you? PM, I suppose. Good to know. So, maybe we have a SK who targeted Dread, and we need to get them to end this.


Currently, I have a feeling that there's an SK left in this game. Having more than two mafia in a 10 person game is a little unbalanced. So, if that's true...


PM that I am unable to quote. I will also add that I protected myself from it, however it is not a 100% defence from night kills every night. On the point of the SK, it would most likely be required for a townie win to lynch the SK also. But if they are busy clearing out mafia, then maybe it would be better to allow them 1 more night, but that is assuming that there is a 3 person mafia team, and that the SK is killing more than just randomly so far. Feeling on this is townie, or at least a good fake town.


Let's pretend for a moment that I am this possible SK, which is not true.

If so, why would I want you dead for putting pressure on Dreadnought? Wouldn't I be happy for you doing that? It would certainly take any possible pressure off of me.

/donepretending


I find it suspicious that you miss most of the point of my accusation, that is of you being part of the North Mafia team, not a lone killer. Ignoring that for a moment, I agree with this. Not ignoring that...well it doesn't look good.


I don't want you dead. I'd rather stay alive because having two active townies is better than one. An extra vote here or there can make the difference.

Well, I hope my responses have convinced you otherwise. I would very much like to work with you in the hopes of winning this game for the town.

I agree that we need to keep actives alive, as a primary goal, but if there is evidence for one of them being mafia, then they are the first people to get my vote. I don't think we have much of a problem with activity though.

That last bit, is confusing me. 'winning this game for the town.' makes me think that you say that from a third party start point, as though you aren't part of the town itself, but that you can help us, and we can help you. However I feel that is more me misreading it than pointing towards you as scum.

@Verarde: Sorry if my responses sound more about you then towards you, just the way I generally type. You haven't convinced me otherwise as such, but my stance on you is this: I will leave my vote on you, and I wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch of you. But if there is a better case, then I will chance, and I am not asking or advocating a bandwagon on you. Yet.

@Everyone in general: Anyone else have a view on Verarde, or anyone else. If you have something to say, then please say it, all discussion is currently benefical.



On the general situation, and some of my deductions: There is likely to be 2 more antitown players. Either 1 working alone and 1 North Mafia (now working alone), or 2 South Mafia. Possibility of just 1 SK left, if so, then I think this will be harder for the us (the town) to win at this point. Purely due to very little to go on, an extra day where the anti town players are also looking for each other seems very benefical to me right now.

I find it suspicious that you miss most of the point of my accusation, that is of you being part of the North Mafia team, not a lone killer. Ignoring that for a moment, I agree with this. Not ignoring that...well it doesn't look good.
Oh, I didn't miss it. I just didn't have anything to say about it. It was a good point.


That last bit, is confusing me. 'winning this game for the town.' makes me think that you say that from a third party start point, as though you aren't part of the town itself, but that you can help us, and we can help you. However I feel that is more me misreading it than pointing towards you as scum.
Yeah, just a misread. I'm coming from a town standpoint, as a loyal townie, which means I would want to win the game for the town. If I was third-party, wouldn't I want to win the game for myself? ;)

@Verarde: Sorry if my responses sound more about you then towards you, just the way I generally type. You haven't convinced me otherwise as such, but my stance on you is this: I will leave my vote on you, and I wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch of you. But if there is a better case, then I will chance, and I am not asking or advocating a bandwagon on you. Yet.

Rock on, dude.

@Everyone in general: Anyone else have a view on Verarde, or anyone else. If you have something to say, then please say it, all discussion is currently benefical.

Yes, please. Let's do some voting, and please state your reasoning behind your voting, so that others can vote according to their reasoning about your reasoning.

In terms of my vote, I'm going to take a look at activity. filli_noctus, your activity's a little low. How about a little pressure vote to wake you up, son? :D

A Mafia team has to have at least 2 people to be called a Mafia. 1 lone scummster is a Serial Killer.

Also, unless Buddhafish is an evil mod then there wouldn't be a Mafia team with more than 3 people on it, not in a game this small.

How do we not know that Buddhafish is not evil? You are making assumptions of things that are not necessarily true.

:evil: :nya: :mwaha: :evil: :nya: :mwaha: :evil: :nya: :mwaha: :evil: :nya: :mwaha: :evil: :nya: :mwaha:

And that is not a confirmation or denial of any sort of comment made, it is purely a comical response, for all of you who would try to read something into this.

Yes, please. Let's do some voting, and please state your reasoning behind your voting, so that others can vote according to their reasoning about your reasoning.

In terms of my vote, I'm going to take a look at activity. filli_noctus, your activity's a little low. How about a little pressure vote to wake you up, son? :D

I'm doing my best here. It's a little tough to really get involved when (a) the bulk of the discussion takes place outside of my usual active times and (b) I'm still trying to get used to the nuances of the game. I could have avoided voting last session by lurking past the deadline, but that's hardly a way to play a game. I placed a vote and explained the logic behind said vote. I stand by my reasoning based on the evidence available at the time but I do regret that it seemed to start the wagon that got JoanK lynched.
Speaking of reasoning, I would like to know if classical_hero had any reasoning behind the vote for me last session.

@Mat & Verarde: tl;dr, Verardelooks like he performed the New Chainsaw Defence. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells#Chainsa w_Defense_.28Tarhalindur_Version.29) Better than any leads I've got.

unvote; Vote: Verarde

vote:filli_noctus I have a scum radar on him and it is screaming loudly.

vote:filli_noctus I have a scum radar on him and it is screaming loudly.

IMO I think the filli stuff is most likely noob tells. It's a common noob mistake to think that when you are town that your goal is to survive. It is not, it is to catch scum, which does not always equal saying alive. Sure, don't kill your self but don't try and resist lynches too hard, it wastes energy and wants other people to make you vote for you.

JoanK did it, although filli is doing it in a more discrete way so that does say something. This is why new players are dangerous, it's hard to read them when they are scum yet when you lynch them as town you are wasting a lynch. What can you do?

vote:filli_noctus I have a scum radar on him and it is screaming loudly.

And yet you still provide no actual reasoning. Vote:classical_hero, you just keep dodging my questions.

Because you are scum, plain and simple. I don't have the evidence right now but that might change.

I'll support classical_hero on this one. Its no better than the other arguments really. Plus, if he's wrong, we can lynch him next turn. Note: I don't like Verarde's "lets start killing players that aren't as active as me" argument.

Vote: filli_noctus

"lets start killing players that aren't as active as me" argument

That's not my argument. That's a pressure vote.

At this point, I am now keeping my vote on filli.

At this stage we can't really be lynching someone and their accuser the next session if they're innocent. If we lynch an innocent this session we will lose another tonight, unless we can block successfully, and then the scum win unless we get two correct lynches in a row (this is going with what appears to be the general consensus of a second two man mafia, if it's two mafia and a SK we're in even more trouble but if it's a single SK, unlikely based on the number of night kills so far, then you can ignore all this - if you think it's worth the risk).
We therefore need to do this based on the evidence, my vote on c_h is based on the fact that from the start he has been trying to fly under the radar and refuses to provide any reasoning for his votes other than, when pressed, "you're scum because you're scum". Seems like the behavior of someone trying to avoid getting lynched to me which, as NinjaCow pointed out, should be a secondary concern if c_h truly is a townie.

The case against classical hero is weak at best, but I'm not ruling it out. For today though, we need to lynch Verarde (sorry), as it is the best evidence we have. So I am now advocating and requesting a bandwagon/lynch on Verarde.

In terms of lynching successfully, I don't think its as critical as filli says, as the SK (99% sure there is one) has so far been picking off the mafia nicely, and if we fail today (which we won't if we lynch Verarde), I think we have 1 more mislynch left. Not relying on it, but I wouldn't say 2 more mislynchs = loss.

FoS: classical_hero. But after Verarde, I'm at a loss for potential suspects, so hopefully the night actions will reveal something to someone.

Day 3 ends in 2 hours.

Vote Tally:
3--filli_noctus (classical_hero, Verarde, DarthNader)
2--Verarde (NinjaCow64, Mat93)
1--classical_hero (filli_noctus)

Day 3 Over

The town gathered at City Hall for a third time. There was murmuring in the crowd as their numbers were dwindling. Mayor Buddhafish asked "Who shall it be?"

There were many different opinions from the crowd, and Buddhafish sensed this. Eventually, one man stepped forward and said "We shall lynch filli_noctus"

"So it shall be," Buddhafish responded. And filli_noctus was lynched.

filli_noctus was South Mafia

Vote Tally:
3--filli_noctus (classical_hero, Verarde, DarthNader)
2--Verarde (NinjaCow64, Mat93)
1--classical_hero (filli_noctus)

Player List:
1. classical_hero
2. Dreadnought Killed Night 2--North Mafia
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK Lynched Day 2--Town
9. filli_noctus Lynched Day 3--South Mafia
10. Mat93

Night 3 has begun

Night 3 will end at 11 PM EST on May 11.

I did not see that coming...back to the drawing board.

I did not see that coming...back to the drawing board.

Same. It is good that we got him though.

It also gives us the info of that it is 99% likely for just 1 more antitown left out there, judging from the fact that there has been 2 (attempted) kills every night.

Mat93 and Ninjacow are the biggest suspect due to the fact they did not vote for the scum last night. I seriously doubt that Verarde would bus his team mate.

Considering I had reason not to, and a case against Verarde, I don't see how its suspicious to go for a case with reasoning instead of blindly trusting someone who said that 'filli is scum'. In your words:

I don't have the evidence right now

Following a case with no evidence (publicly at least) is better than following a case with reasoning and that you have your own big suspicions on? Good to know.

Verarde wouldn't bus as he had many people to choose from for his vote, easy to avoid attention on his team mate there.

If Verarde is scum, then i will take my hat off for him, since he played a great turn lst night to not be suspicious.

Hiya! I'll double check...nope, I'm still not scum. :D

Night 3 Over


The town woke up and gathered at City Hall. They noticed that classical_hero was missing. They searched the area and found him a block away with a knife in his chest.

classical_hero was Town


Player List:
1. classical_hero Killed Night 3--Town
2. Dreadnought Killed Night 2--North Mafia
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK Lynched Day 2--Town
9. filli_noctus Lynched Day 3--South Mafia
10. Mat93

Day 4 has begun

Day 4 will end at 10 PM EST on May 13.

In my mind, the only two people who could be scum are Verarde and Mat93, because there is no reason for Darth Nader to bus this late in the game, especially if there was a strong alternate wagon and I know that I am not scum. My gut instinct tells me to go with Mat, so that's what I'll do. Vote: Mat93

I'm touched NinjaCow, I really am. :)

Classical believed Mat93 and NinjaCow64 were scum and was very clear about that. Now, he's dead. Granted, he was accusing half the remaining players of being scum, and that's to vague to be useful. I'm not sure who to vote for, but I'm leaning towards Mat93. He seemed keen on trying to counter classical_hero's vote against filli_noctus, who was scum...an obvious move to save his mafia cohort. Besides, he's waaaaaaaaaay more suspicious than NinjaCow or Verarde, that's for sure.

Apologies for any WIFOM in this. As this is the last day if we lynch massively wrong, or right, and the second to last if we lynch weirdly, then I have no issues revealing everything.

My role is town roleblocker. Night actions: Night 1, JoanK, no night action attempted. Night 2, Dreadnought, kill attempted and failed. Night 3, Ninjacow, no night action attempted.

All of this is going off 1 South Mafia remaining, if there is more antitown, then we have lost anyway.

Ninjacow: Confirmed Town. Kill last night, and he was unable to do anything. Nothing more needs to be said.

Darth Nader: 99% confirmed town. He could of voted for Verarde yesterday, and saved filli with no suspicion at all on him. He didn't, so fairly obviously isn't on a team with filli, so following my assumption of 1 South Mafia left, town.

Me: Well I know I'm town, but looking at it from another angle. Looked scummy in day 2, and a bit too defensive to be normal town. Day 3 pushed hard for a lynch, which was against a lynch that we now know is on a scum. Very scummy. Look at White Walkers. I was scummy as hell since Ninja died, but yet I was Town.

Probable Scum.

Verarde: South Mafia. Night 3, sent a PM to both me and classical (against the common opinion of me being scum), already trying to get us to want to lynch Darth Nader next round, suggesting a couple of possible situations, and why it would happen. Seems like fake scumhunting, and trying to control the next day before it had started.


Events of Day 2: Point to me being scum, over defensive, wanting to stay alive. My role is the reason I wanted to stay alive, as we don't have a cop (afaik), the results of my roleblocking are the best thing we have to confirm who is town and who isn't.

Day 3: Point to me being Scum Target 1, ninja being scum target 2. Verarde getting a bus vote in, before he believed that it would lead to his lynch. Would of been suspicious to change at the last minute to someone with no votes, and would of lost a mafia member either way, with the other being target #1. Me trying to get Verarde lynched over someone revealed to be Mafia if I failed is risking the entire game on 1 move (if I was scum), stupid idea. Obvious attempt to get someone other than filli lynched. Obvious suspicion on me if filli is scum. Too obvious anyone?

Still pointing to me being scum.

Night 3: The kill would point to me being scum, if it wasn't such an obvious frame. Me kill my main accuser as the last mafia, is effectively me throwing the game (WIFOMy, sorry), as all I would need is to get 1 more mislynch. Verarde sending out a PM to me and classical looks very much like trying to get us on side, and if we don't agree with him, then he can night kill one of us.

Day 4 so far: Ninja: that post makes him look even more Town. Darth, slightly less town.


Possible events:

Ninja gets lynched. Stupid, but might not lose the game for us, as long as I roleblock the kill, then we have to lynch right the day after. But as ninja is confirmed Town, shouldn't happen.

Darth gets lynched. Same thing, extra round if I roleblock right. Shouldn't happen.

These 2 end the game before the next day:

Verarde is lynched. Game over, town win.

I am lynched. Verarde then gets a free night kill, goes to 1:1, wins.



tl;dr, go back and read if you actually want to win.

Vote: Verarde

Forward me Verarde's PM and you're on.

--Don't quote PMs. Paraphrase. It's good for you.


Forward me Verarde's PM and you're on.

Forwarding will include the quote...but will paraphrase it for you.

I think that is for in the thread and not for the process of PMing another player, but check with the host if you are unsure of the rules.

@Ninja: sent paraphrased, will send quote if Buddha says its clear.

@Classical: Checking, hopefully it is allowed.

And ninja, 3 minutes for me to notice and send is a bit tight, sorry.

PMs are included in the no quoting.

So no forward allowed ninja, sorry. The paraphrase will have to do.

PMs are included in the no quoting.

So no forward allowed ninja, sorry. The paraphrase will have to do.

If you consider me to be town, feel free to send me the same thing. Better yet, post it in the thread. I have my own records of PMs which it can possibly compliment. If it does, you have my vote for Verarde.

Everything looks kosher Mat.

Vote: Verarde

Wow. This is just stupid. Do you see how easily you guys are being swayed by Mat here? He is really out for my blood. And why? Because he "thinks" I'm scum. Or rather, he wants you all to believe that, while he gets away with it.

I freakin' started the talking about filli_noctus. Why in the world would I bus him in a mini game?! That's just dumb. I think Mat93 is the guy we are looking for. We have no one's word except his own that he is the roleblocker, and frankly, at this point, I find that hard to believe. How easy would it be to fake claim roleblocker and be scum instead?

DarthNader, yes, I sent that PM to classical and Mat. No use denying it. At that point, I trusted the two of them enough to try and set up a voting network between the three of us that would go unnoticed by the scum. That's why I kept it private. I was not "fake" scum hunting. I was scum hunting. Because that's what you do in these games. YOU TRY TO FIND THE SCUM.

Unfortunately, I think I sent the scum hunting PM to the scum. That got the scum scared. So the scum decides to redouble his effort on having me dead. Who could that be, I wonder....

Vote Mat93, and save our city.

Unvote

There might be a third option. I MIGHT have an ability to stop the lynch. I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to PM Bhuddafish for clarification.

Wait, nevermind, I can't. I'm just going to go with Mat like I originally thought. It's a 50/50 chance really. There's nothing else we can really do.

Vote: Mat93

Wow. This is just stupid. Do you see how easily you guys are being swayed by Mat here? He is really out for my blood. And why? Because he "thinks" I'm scum. Or rather, he wants you all to believe that, while he gets away with it.

I think your scum? I know it, you know it, and everyone should know it.

There are 4 people alive. If 3 of them are 100% confirmed town, then how the hell is it not a fact that the other one is scum? Please enlighten me there.


I roleblocked dreadnought N2. He was the last scum on that team. His team did not make a kill.

I roleblocked ninjacow last night. There is 1 scum left. The team made a kill.

Therefore ninjacow is not the last scum on the South Mafia team. Simple logic, using facts, i.e. I do not think ninja is innocent, I know.

Darth Nader had the deciding vote in the last round. A choice between killing your team mate, with no suspicion, or killing a town with no suspicion. There is no way in hell that anyone would pick the first one. So he is Town.

I have my Role PM, which gives to me the fact that I am Town.


3 People are confirmed (to me at least) to be Town, through facts. Therefore, in a game with 4 people left in it, how the actual hell can it be that I think the last person is scum? It is a fact, and no one can deny that it is a fact (the fact that in a 4 person game with 3 people confirmed innocent part, people can deny the facts that prove 3 people innocent in this case).


I freakin' started the talking about filli_noctus. Why in the world would I bus him in a mini game?! That's just dumb. I think Mat93 is the guy we are looking for. We have no one's word except his own that he is the roleblocker, and frankly, at this point, I find that hard to believe. How easy would it be to fake claim roleblocker and be scum instead?

Maybe because at the time when you bussed, there were approximately zero votes on him, and you were the most likely to be lynched at that point. If anyone was scum, and expected to die, what is the best possible thing they can do. I'm not sure, but possibly make their team mate the least suspicious person left? Sounds like a good idea to me.

Now before you say that you could of removed your vote to save him, actually it would of reduced it to a tie between you and him, a certain scum loss, and we would of gone after the other 100%. Thats pretty certain, it would of been very hard for either of you to talk your way out of. You know this, so you left your vote on him.

DarthNader, yes, I sent that PM to classical and Mat. No use denying it. At that point, I trusted the two of them enough to try and set up a voting network between the three of us that would go unnoticed by the scum. That's why I kept it private. I was not "fake" scum hunting. I was scum hunting. Because that's what you do in these games. YOU TRY TO FIND THE SCUM.

Despite the fact that I was the most scummy left. And as I've said above, the only proof I have of you being scum (except my day 3 post), is the fact that everyone else is Town. Thats not scum hunting. Thats Town hunting, and it has worked. It does come down the same thing of finding the scum, I will grant you that.

Unfortunately, I think I sent the scum hunting PM to the scum. That got the scum scared. So the scum decides to redouble his effort on having me dead. Who could that be, I wonder....

Vote Mat93, and save our city.

If I was scared, I was scared yesterday, when filli was mainly lynched. Ummm, I did make a post calling for your lynch, and not following the bandwagon. Clear proof that I am scum, obviously.

It is obviously a fake role claim in order to win the game, when after your PM, I could so so easily had said that I roleblocked someone other than Ninja, and got him lynched, as in your opinion, before the end of the night he was 1 of the top 2 targets.

It is so obvious that I would risk drawing so much attention to myself when there was a good chance that the Town would mislynch anyway, winning me the game.

[/SARCASM]

If only I was a quadruple voter who could win the game for the Town on my own. Alas, that will probably never happen to anyone, so looks like all I can do is point out the facts, and hope the 2 people who can change it read, understand, and vote the right way.

If not, then the game is yours (and fillis) Verarde.

What can I do? If we could, I would go no lynch. However, we cannot. Before I finally make up my mind, I have to ask: What power role do have? It seems like everyone has one, PM it to me. If your ability is one we can use, we could have a plan to catch the real Mafioso.

Vote Tally:
2--Mat93 (Verarde, NinjaCow64)
1--Verarde (Mat93)

Not Voting: DarthNader

Day 4 ends in 5.5 hours

Verarde hasn't sent me a PM, so that's who I'm voting for. unvote; Vote: Verarde

Vote Tally:
1--Mat93 (Verarde0
2--Verarde (Mat93, NinjaCow64)

Not Voting: DarthNader

Posting closed for final update.

Day 4 Over

Verarde strolled to City Hall with a swagger about him. He was sure that he had fooled the entire town into believing him. All except for Mat93. Verarde didn't care, he knew that NinjaCow64 supported him. But Verarde was in for a shock when he found the town staring him town at City Hall.

Mayor Buddhafish sat in his chair and said, "Verarde, the town has spoken."

Verarde spat back, "You filthy, cowardly little pieces of scum. I hope you all rot in--"

A shot rang out. Verarde dropped to the ground, a knife falling out of his pocket. Mayor Buddhafish stood up and blew the smoke off of his pistol and said, "Lynched"

Verarde was South Mafia

Player List:
1. classical_hero Killed Night 3--Town
2. Dreadnought Killed Night 2--North Mafia
3. Visorslash Killed Night 1--North Mafia
4. Verarde Lynched Day 4--South Mafia
5. DaveShack Killed Night 1--Town
6. DarthNader
7. NinjaCow64
8. JoanK Lynched Day 2--Town
9. filli_noctus Lynched Day 3--South Mafia
10. Mat93


Congratulations to the Town!

Role PMs, night actions and my thoughts will be posted right after this. Please do not post quite yet.

North Mafia: Visorslash and Dreadnought
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are the members of the North Mafia.
Your objective is to be the last team standing.
Dreadnought and Visorslash are both standard killers.
Your team can only kill once per night.
Have fun.

I will not send you each an individual PM, I am just sending this once to your team.

South Mafia: Verarde and filli_noctus
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are the members of the South Mafia.
Your objective is to be the last team standing.
Verarde and filli_noctus are both standard killers.
Your team can only kill once per night.
Have fun.

I will not send you each an individual PM, I am just sending once to your team.

Town:

Doctor: DaveShack
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
You also are the only person in the town to go through medical school. That makes you the protector of the people.
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and protections.
You can choose to protect one person per night. This person will not be killed.
Have fun.

Roleblocker: Mat93
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
You are the town roleblocker.
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and roleblocks.
You may roleblock one person per night. This will prevent them from performing the action that they planned on doing.
Have fun.

Lynch Stopper: JoanK
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
You also own a very handy boomerang. You are a softy at heart though. Your boomerang can be used once to stop a lynch. No one but you will know who threw the boomerang.
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and lynch stop.
You can stop one lynch. That's it. No second chances.
Have fun.

Cop: classical_hero
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
You are the town cop. It's your job to sort out the bad guys from the good guys.
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and investigations.
You can investigate one person per night. You will learn their status, either town or mafia.
Have fun.

Executioner: NinjaCow64--Experimental Role
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
Your are the town executioner. In counting the votes, you may "miscount" the votes once. (Cough cough)
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and ability.
You can choose one person to be lynched on a day, regardless of the vote tally. This is a one-use ability. To use, just PM me during that day phase at any point.
Have fun.

Drunk: DarthNader--Experimental Role
Welcome to Turf Wars.

You are a member of the town.
You are the town drunk. You love your alcoholic beverages.
Your objective is to defeat the mafia with your votes and ability.
You can avoid being killed at night once. This is a passive ability. However, the next day, your hangover will prevent you from voting. You can post as many times as you like, but no voting on that day. I will let you know when this day is.
Have fun.

Interesting roles, but I must admit it kinda sucked dying N1. I mean, we lost and we weren't even considered to be lynched.

I'm not entirely sure you need two conflicting mafia teams in there, and IMO that made it harder for the scum teams.

Night Actions:

Night 1:

Verarde kills Visorslash
Dreadnought kills DaveShack
Mat93 roleblocks JoanK
classical_hero investigates DarthNader


Night 2:

Verarde kills Dreadnought
Dreadnought kills classical_hero
Mat93 roleblocks Dreadnought
classical_hero investigates filli_noctus


Night 3:

Verarde kills classical_hero
Mat93 roleblocks NinjaCow64
classical_hero investigates Mat93

Thoughts:

Day 1:

I had no lynch because it was either kill off the roleblocker, a mafia member, or my experimental executioner role. I just decided no lynch would be better. If one person had had a lead, I would've lynched them, but since it was a tie, you know.


Night 1:

Verarde hits home on another mafia. That sparks some discussion, which was good. DaveShack was supposed to cause some confusion in the later stages as the doctor, but the game wouldn't be too cruel without his role.


Day 2:

I was really surprised that JoanK didn't stop his own lynch. Maybe his role PM seemed a bit confusing, I don't know. It was meant for flavor, but I'm sorry if it confused you into not using it.


Night 2:

Verarde goes 2 for 2 on the North Mafia. This was unexpected for me. I had thought that the two mafia=s would counteract all of the town power roles. Dreadnought's kill didn't go through because of Mat93, but he didn't learn much since Dreadnought died. classical_hero learns that filli_noctus is mafia.


Day 3:

Verarde and Mat93 go back and forth. I really thought that the bus would save Verarde, but Mat93 didn't really buy it. Not much else going on that day.


Night 3:

Verarde kills classical_hero, a good choice. Not much else going on.


Day 4:

Mat sees through Verarde's bus attempt. This is where it got interesting. If NinjaCow hadn't changed his vote, then Mat93 would have been dead and Verarde would be stuck with a choice. If Verarde had chosen to kill NinjaCow Night 4, he would have won. If he had chosen to kill DarthNader, he would've lost. But NinjaCow changed his vote and here we are.


Experimental Roles:

The executioner was pretty much a one shot day vig with lynch stopper all built in. I'm glad NinjaCow made it through the game, but he never used his abillity.

And this is why I wanted a Night 4. If Verarde had chosen DarthNader, he would've eluded the kill, making his role very interesting.

Then Day 5, NinjaCow would've used his role to end the game, not needing DarthNader's vote that he couldn't have given due to the effects of his role.


Balance:

I had planned that the two mafias would counteract all of the power town roles. Except that Verarde killed the other mafia, making it harder for himself to win the game. It was close all the way to the end, but the game was balanced in the town's favor all the way. Unless the mafias had stayed alive at least past Night 2, a mafia would've won I believe.

Either side could've had a chance, if you're arguing mafia v. town, but mafia v. mafia v. town, the town had a good advantage.

Like I said before though, all of the sides has a reasonable shot at winning, IMO.




Thoughts on the game? Posting is open.

I had no lynch because it was either kill off the roleblocker, a mafia member, or my experimental executioner role. I just decided no lynch would be better. If one person had had a lead, I would've lynched them, but since it was a tie, you know.
Don't agree here. Just because it kills off an interesting role, doesn't mean you can say no lynch.

Besides the fact that D1 lynches are important anyway.

When you have two scum teams, they take away from each other's power, with the ability to kill each other. Especially in a mini game. It was defintely far in the town's favour here.

I think that if the mafia had a one time bulletproof, maybe it might've been more balanced (who's to know) but certainly, with a cop, day vig + lynch stopper, lynch stopper, doctor, roleblocker, the town has got a crapton of power roles.

I don't think the game was all that balanced to be perfectly fair (and no offence intended).

Sorry.

This was certainly an interesting game. I am glad they got the right result once Mat93 revealed his result on Ninjacow I knew that Verarde was the killer, since I had scanned him. I was hoping that the remaining mafia viewed that Darthnader was the scanner and not me, but unfortunately he made the right choice to kill me, otherwise it would have been open and shut case, so well done the town for winning this one.

Oh, yes. The description in the PM actually made me think I could use it on anyone but myself, ya know.

If unsure, ask the host. It is better to be safe than sorry.

I would say the game itself was fairly balanced, and fun to play. I personally thought we had lost on the last day, I expected to be lynched, but I'm glad we won. Interesting that the town had a chance even if I was lynched, I didn't think that was possible, but gave us a second chance, with some luck.

A bit unlucky on the Death of the other Mafia so quickly, but well played to Verarde for almost winning, and making it so hard to get himself lynched.

I am wondering why Verarde decided to off his team mate? He could have voted for me and that would have been interesting, a 3-way tie for the day. What would the host have done under those situations, but it nearly worked, so it was worth the try, even though in the end it failed.

I wish he'd informed me of his intentions beforehand, I'd have probably gone along with it but I would at least have been able to put more pressure on classical_hero. I was tempted to change my vote to Verarde in the hope that it would result in a no lynch, but I felt it would do us scum more harm than good in the long run.

Interesting game. Surprising how the my Mafia team died so quickly.

I'm not sure how to rate the game. I think I see it as an anomaly -- by the time I died, I was sure there was some sort of overpowered serial killer type of role that knew the Mafias at the start of the game. The kills were a little too lucky to say that the game was town-favored, but I do think the executioner role is extremely powerful. The ability to influence the lynch votes can be used to eliminate a sketchy player, but it can also be used to protect yourself -- a very potent combination.

Ironically, I think the South Mafia did themselves in by killing me on the second night.

In all, I think the game unfolded in a bit too much of a bizarre nature to give an accurate review for it, but I'd say it was definitely enjoyable. If you could provide more rationale for the Executioner role, I'd be interested in seeing what you had in mind.

Thanks for the game!

Yeah, I wish I hadn't killed you two guys...on consecutive nights, as well.

I bussed filli (apologies) to try and clear my name a bit. And it almost worked!!!

I sent a PM to Ninja after the fact, telling him that I was a Survivor (would explain why I desperately did not want to die). I'm curious to see if that would have changed his vote.

If unsure, ask the host. It is better to be safe than sorry.
I wasn't unsure. It just sounded like that to me.

Sorry about that JoanK, I should have made it more clear.

I did realize that it was a bit unfair that the town had so many power roles.


My reasoning for the executioner role was that of a counter to the mafia's kills. I didn't expect the North Mafia to die so quickly, which IMO turned it into a normal mafia in which the town was overwhelmingly more powerful.

My expectations for this game were that of pandemonium. I had thought that with all of the different roles and teams that there would be roleblocks of townies and protections on mafias and stuff like that. Unexpected is the word I would use to describe my perception of how I thought it would go.


But, in the end, Verarde had a shot at winning, so I count this game as a success in my books. It was experimental in the concepts, but I gained experience from this. And I'll come back from it with a more fun game.

Expect a redux.

@Verarde: Probably not.

Balance:

I had planned that the two mafias would counteract all of the power town roles.


Observers comment: it is assumed by most people discussing about balance that multiple mafia teams are detrimental to each other. And if there are two mafia teams, town should be weaker than if there is only one.