The challenge is simple: achieve domination victory with any civ in SoI. Earliest victories are listed together with the highest scores, so every civ can have two records. Of course they can be from the same game. The minimum version used is currently 1.0, but this may change in the future.

The challenge is specific for normal speed and Sultan difficulty. Screenshots for victory and score are required.

Check out earlier domination victories and tips in here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=419321).



Achieved Domination Victories:


Earliest winning date Highest score

Byzantine 1166, 56731 (Blizzrd)

Abbasids 1120, 42815 (Jusos2108)

Makuria 1562, 3454 (dmitrytrue) Makuria 3758 (Power of Beer)
Ajmer 1346, 13722 (youtien)

Malwa 1444, 6638 (Jusos2108)

Samanids 1316, 6488 (Jusos2108)

Armenia 1310, 13467 (dmitrytrue) Armenia 17204 (youtien)
Yemen 1424, 13556 (Jusos2108)

Gujarat 1515, 4188 (Jusos2108)

Ghaznavids 1310, 21000 (Jusos2108)

Fatimids 1322, 15324 (Jusos2108)

Georgia 1542, 4803 (Jusos2108)

Sindh 1474, 7056 (dmitrytrue)

Seljuks 1342, 18389 (Jusos2108)

Rum 1468, 12904 (Jusos2108)

Khwarezmia 1338, 26693 (youtien)

Antiochia 1557, 3529 (Power of Beer)

Kingdom of Jerusalem 1596, 4049 (Jusos2108)

Ghorids 1390, 30248 (Jusos2108)

Oman 1631, 5079 (Jusos2108)

Ayyubids 1516, 13454 (Jusos2108)

Mamluks 1521, 19062 (Jusos2108)

Ottomans 1613, 15016 (Jusos2108)

Timurids 1594, 4280 (Jusos2108)

Ak Kouynlu 1584, 7440 (Jusos2108)

Safavids 1636, 20218 (Jusos2108)

Mughals 1660, 6745 (Jusos2108)


Leaderboards:

Quickest victories:


20 Jusos2108
3 dmitrytrue
2 youtien
1 Power of Beer
1 Blizzrd



Highest score


20 Jusos2108
3 youtien
2 Power of Beer
1 dmitrytrue
1 Blizzrd

The most recent update brought some changes to the Crusader states. There are now more units tied to the Catholic companies: Hospitalier units start with Medic I, which means medic II is only one promotion away, without the need to research medicine - very helpful. Templar units are not that useful, only the powerful Templar Knight with str 8, though it's restricted to 1 unit.
Antiochia's UU is now a Lancer with +50% experience gain. It's neat, because one can get to Combat V pretty fast, and later upgrade them to Heavy Lancers. I also attached my first GG for a total of +150% EP gained - he had Combat V, Flanking III and Morale but unfortunately died while defending the stack vs Mamluks. The UP pretty useless after the first turns, I somehow never get any free units from crusades. UB provides some stability, though I don't know the numbers.

I started the game defensively. Only conquered Cyprus and northern Lebanon, wich doesn't flip any more. I left Armenia (never touched anything in Anatolia) and Zengids alone, after I repelled them (Abbasids collapsed them later). After 1170 it was clear that the Ayyubids won't show up and I slowly began to take all of the Levant from the Fatimids, as well as Medina. They collapsed, and the Royal Mamluks were beaten with some suicide catapults. Conquered Egypt and Iraq, paused expansion and developed it, beat Ak Koyunlu, and vassalized Georgia & later Savafids. The rest of the land was conquered in Iran&Nubia.

World in 1200:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321800&stc=1&d=1337715160

1500:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321801&stc=1&d=1337714839

Core of the Empire:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321802&stc=1&d=1337714839

Constantine score again :o :

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321803&stc=1&d=1337714839

Nice one, so you had only two vassals?

Can you post a link to your other game so that everybody just stumbling on this thread finds it, thanks.

Makuria domination can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11512318&postcount=60).

Yes, it was only two vassals. I almost never get peaceful vassals from other religions - they quickly get furious because I always massacre foreign religions for better stability.

I completely forgot the religious victory (shouldn't have conquered Kufah) and won it some years before domination, so I cannot post a score or replay. I'll take the 2nd place if someone wins in the same year :P.

Victory:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322083&stc=1&d=1338076708

Anyway, I had a somewhat lucky start. I started the Spiral Minaret in Sana'a immediately and finished it in 985, which is rather late. I also got a lvl 7 Camel Archer pretty early, who conquered Medina, which became my military centre for a long time. After conquering Mekka & building Al-Azhar I was able to slowly become tech leader. The Sufi Order also helped greatly, with all the incence. The Ayyubids spawned, and I fought some wars together with Saladin, against the crusaders and Mamluks.

Mamluk invasion army:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322079&stc=1&d=1338076708

Conquering Egypt greatly improved my economy and stability. Ayyubids collapsed after I assassinated their heir 5 times. I also founded Gwadar pretty early - indeed an awesome city spot and a perfect bridgehead to conquer Iran.

1378:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322080&stc=1&d=1338076708

Vassals were Ak Koyunlu and Safavids, most of the Land I conquered in Africa and Iran. The Portuguese surprised me a bit, their carracks spawned just before the shores of Yemen - I was barely able to hold the cities with lots of drafting. Like in the other games, I only researched for Heavy Lancers, Administrative Reforms and Syncretism. My initial civic switch was to Empire, Organized Religion and Vassalage, later Agrarianism + Slavery.

Final map:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322081&stc=1&d=1338076708

Power Graph:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322082&stc=1&d=1338076708

It was time for a more relaxed game with Abbasids. Starting from the very beginning as the most advanced civ with a superb core in the middle of the map, is lots of fun.

Quickly conquered Mekka with 2 mounted mercenaries, later Jerusalem for 2/3 UHV and Medina. Only Shiraz, Gwadar, Kerman, Antioch and a city between Jerusalem & Medina were my other cities until the Mongols. Built all wonders except the Hindu one. I more or less beelined Cavalry Tactics and Blast Furnace, and my Heavy Lancers swept the crusaders into the Mediterranean.

1150:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322196&stc=1&d=1338232080

Peace vassalized Yemen, Oman, Ghorids and Rum. Khwarezmia vassalized when the Mongols punded them, and they managed to survive, flipping all of their former cities. Next beeline was Heavy Armor, for Heavy Cavalry. From ~1200 onward I had most cities with foundries pumping out Heavy Cavalry. Mongols had no chance, and after 1250 I quickly conquered Iran, Armenia/Georgia and lower Egypt. Culture slider at 80% + free religion meant very quick border pops.

1250:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322197&stc=1&d=1338232080

Core:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322198&stc=1&d=1338232080

Power Graph:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322199&stc=1&d=1338232080

Shah Ismail, 11706 points.


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322200&stc=1&d=1338232080

This was the hardest game so far concerning stability. In the end I was collapsing despite being in a Golden Age, mostly because nobody wanted to vassalize.

This was the city placement of my core:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322535&stc=1&d=1338651369

I founded Bagaran (Military pump) and Stepanakert (National Epic) as my first two cities. A hired HA merc + the Javelinman from the start pillaged and captured workers from Rebel cities. Seljuk Barbs were countered with some UUs which proved very useful the whole game (together with the UB). Lots of trading was done with the Byzantines, and I beelined Cavalry Tactics. Georgia was crippled by culture.

The Abbasids became super powerful and declared war on me shortly before 1250. I could defeat their stack with lots of HHAs. However they lost no cities to the Mongols at all, but had only few units left. Baghdad was a jackpot (all wonders great peoples from the Abbasids):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322533&stc=1&d=1338651416

After that, it was mopping up Iraq, Iran and Rum lands. The Fatimids were also very advanced but had no Iron, so they were easily defeated. The Mamluks spawned later, however, and I had to fight them. Cairo was also pretty neat:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322534&stc=1&d=1338651416

In the end I fought Khanate of Bukhara, who luckily vassalized. Some more junk cities in the middle of nowhere gave me the required land.

1200:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322530&stc=1&d=1338651416

1350:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322531&stc=1&d=1338651416

1500:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322532&stc=1&d=1338651416

4280 points:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322536&stc=1&d=1338651416

The late starting civs depend a lot on the starting situation. The situation in my game was OK, with most cities having improved surroundings and infrastructure. Didn't found the capital on spot (it's the most crappy capital spot one can think of), instead Rakka in Jazira became my capital. Switched to Sunni, and adopted civics to the different situations (UP = no anarchy). A lot of trading was done:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322634&stc=1&d=1338733158

Ayyubids were alive and super strong, just like the Mamluks, Oman and Ghaznavids (stable and very advanced):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322631&stc=1&d=1338733158

Most cities were building Trebuchets in the beginning to capture Iraq. There I pillaged all cottages/hamlets/villages with the Turkoman Raiders (more gold with Raider promotion), as I went for agrarianism anyway. This funded a decent army of mounted mercenaries, who conquered most of Iraq and Esfahan/Yazd. After defeating the Safavids I went on to the rest of Iran and Omani cities, who I vassalized. Ayyubids collapsed after fighting the Ottomans for a long time (they even captured Constantinople). This allowed me to quickly grab their lands (Levant, Hejaz), including some neat wonders (Shalimar Gardens, Bride of 33 Arches). Timurids and Khanate of Bukhara were the other targets, which was basically enough for the requirements. In the end I also attacked the Ottomans:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322630&stc=1&d=1338733158

Only lost 3 units in that fight :p. In the end I was close to collapsing (-91).

World in 1500:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322627&stc=1&d=1338733158

1550:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322628&stc=1&d=1338733158

1580:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322629&stc=1&d=1338733158

Power Graph:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322632&stc=1&d=1338733158

3699 points:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322633&stc=1&d=1338733158

:goodjob:
I have updated the list!

I would like to play a game were the Ayyubids are a true power, since usually they collapse or even never exist..

A nice and detailed Conquest Succession game can be found here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=424262) I imitated some tactices used there, mainly bulbing Religious Philosophy and building the House of Wisdom. Though I spread Islam to Constantinople, where many important wonders were built:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322934&stc=1&d=1339068637

Tech path was LDT, Engineering, then Cataphracts against the Seljuks. 1 Merc HA went to Abbasid lands and pillaged every single improvement there and did some worker stealing. They didn't attack him once. I also let Khan Krum conquer Kallipolis, which was disbanded later after culture flipping it. Seljuk flip was refused, and Gergia, Armenia, KoJ and Makuria peace vassalized. Conquered most of Iraq, and teched to Heavy Lancers before the Mongols showed up. After that, I already had hordes of Heavy Lancers, and conquered Lower Egypt, vassalized Fatimids, who surprisingly didn't collapse after that (they went shaky). Ottoman flip was refused, and most of Iran was conquered.

World in 1100:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322931&stc=1&d=1339068637

1250:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322932&stc=1&d=1339068637

Suleiman, 21289 pts. Probably due to the high relative population & many vassals (Only had half of the points despite winning earlier as the Abbasids).

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=322933&stc=1&d=1339068637

I did Khrewazmid in 1338 in 0.5.0, with 26693 pts, but my PrtSc failed to catch the picture and I updated to 0.5.1, so now I have only savefile...

Khrewazmid is easy to have a early domination and keep stable. With their vast land and Shahanshah title, one can win domination before their UHV.


Yesterday I did Ghaznavid in 1360, with Hinduism(for the title to have all Hindustan become border province), this one is tougher, I had to deal with independence and win before Timurids spawn(1370), but still not too hard. I still couldn't catch picture so here is savefile (0.5.1)...

Here are the savefiles. Anyone has won with Hindu civs?

:goodjob:

I will try a hindu civ first.

This game turned out to be a bit rough. The Seljuks didn't collapse for a long time, so I couldn't conquer Iran in the usual fast fashion. Instead a lot of siege was necessary, just like in Anatolia which I also conquered. Vassals were Sindh and Makuria.


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323047&stc=1&d=1339261545
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323048&stc=1&d=1339261545
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323049&stc=1&d=1339261545

8915 points:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323050&stc=1&d=1339261545

The Seljuks had already collapsed at the start, allowing me to take Herat. I also conquered Ghazna with the starting army, which collapsed the Ghaznavids. Grabbed the rest of their core + Lahore and halted expansion for some time. Ghazna had the relic for +2 EP, and a settled GG. With the Minaret of Jam, it produced some high quality military. I developed all cities and teched Guilds and Finery Forge. Byzantines were, as always, decent trading partners:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323090&stc=1&d=1339321518

Always worth a visit. After building up an army of Muhajids/Trebuchets and defending against the Mongols, I conquered Punjab, Sindh, vassalized Ajmer, conquered Gujarat, then Bahami Sultanate. After I got Cavalry Tactics, expansion into Iran started. Later Gujarat respawned, but I got the land soon after.
This event is very nice. It comes along in many games and is always worth saving some money for:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323091&stc=1&d=1339321518

World in 1200 and in the end:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323087&stc=1&d=1339321518
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323088&stc=1&d=1339321518

17193 pts:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323089&stc=1&d=1339321518

I razed Chittor from start and captured Bundi. Soon after I took out Ajmer, who had only one city. Sindh declared war on me and they went down with ease before 1100. Then I took out last rival Malwa an claimed the Vikramaditya (more or less) -title. I waited for Delhi to (re)spawn and conviniently they declared war on me just when I was about to attack and I took Dilli, Multan, Lahore and Peshawar+Castle Building for peace.

Then I slowly conquered some of the remants of Ghaznavids. When I got Taj Mahal and used my GPs for 48 turn Golden Age, I unleashed my troops to Persia and Iraq. I quickly crabbed everything that was indy and then declared war on Ak Kouynly, took couple of their cities and capitulated them. Last act was to take Damascus and culture bomb it. That was enough to win before the Mughals spawned.

The Middle East in 1100, 1300, 1400, 1500 and 1515:

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Winning shots:

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My core empire:

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Other pics:

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New version, new hunger for domination ;). Since i failed with Malwa in the past (too much stability issues) i tried them again. I tried to figure out some better city spots on resources, but really, i didn't find any in the eastern half. Most of the cities are preplaced anyway. Peshawar would be better 1E, but it would have to be squatted. I think it only influences civs in the Caucasus&Egypt.

Anyway, despite the peaceful theme of Malwa this game was a constant bloodshed. In the beginning, I captured the independent worker with the starting swordsman and declared war on Ajmer, to stop them from developing. Capital only build military after a granary, research was Botany, Machinery, Literature. After defeating Ajmer, the rich lands of northern Hindustan were captured: Delhi, Lahore, Multan. Then conquered Gujarat, then Sindh. Then Ghaznavids, then Ghorids ;). My economy really started to suffer and research was pretty bad despite having Kutlug Timur and Al Azar. But it doesn't matter since one only really needs Cavalry Tactics. Stability however was always top, +100 and above.
After the Mongols most of Iran was conquered, as well as southern India. That was enough for the land requirements (29%).

Development of the Middle East:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=337169&stc=1&d=1354176182
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=337170&stc=1&d=1354176182
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Some statistics and points:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=337172&stc=1&d=1354176182
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=337173&stc=1&d=1354176182

Ottoman domination is too easy so I did it in Caliph difficulty, 33% of the land. Was intended for UHV, but stability hurts.

OMG event: Hinduism in Nobatia!

Rush Abbasids from start and it is piece of cake. Found capital on horse, Manazkert on pig, it saves you so much time!

Nice, did the Abbasids respawn after you conquered them?

I agree that the Ottomans are pretty easy once you get Anatolia under control. The AI, however, is mostly unable to do anything in my games. Byzantines mostly stay alive and Ottomans a minor force.

Nice, did the Abbasids respawn after you conquered them?

I agree that the Ottomans are pretty easy once you get Anatolia under control. The AI, however, is mostly unable to do anything in my games. Byzantines mostly stay alive and Ottomans a minor force.

They didn't respawn, for I stayed solid for a long time, not founding another city until I hit mongol invasion era (more free buildings with gunpowder empire era, you can achieve it with compass).

AI takes no risk in combat, they are always passive unless with a full stack or were scripted, unlike history.

The easiest way to rush Abbasid is: build 2-3 horse archer, invade, wait Buyids attack Baghdad, then conquer it either way. Armenia is perfect with this strategy.

Samanid domination 1507AD. score 5078.
33% land area without vassals.
but domination wasn't a point, i've just played, and suddenly domination victory conditions was achieved.
Since i became Roman Emperror, domination was possible much earlier, but i prefer to keep decent stability, at cost of slow conquest ;D

Byzantine Domination Victory in 1166AD
Score: 56731

Strategy was a bit different this time and it paid off handsomely.

Took Tarsus and Damascus straight away with starting Swordsman (after promoting on a barb swordsman along the way). Then razed Antioch and Edessa, captured Jerusalem, captured Medinah and finally Meccah.

Recruited the first mercenary horse unit I could and sent it directly to make contact with Mercurios. He immediately wanted to vassalise (just before I captured Medinah) so I actually liberated Medinah to Makuria. My super-promoted Swordsman then headed for Soba and Aksum, eventually joining up with my mercenary horseman and liberating these cities to Makuria too. A combination of gifting settlers to Makuria and settling key city locations myself and then liberating them meant that my vassal eventually had a huge empire down south.

I let barbarian peasants capture Kallipolis and Amastraia at some stage with the first 100 years. My culture eventually flipped both of these poor cities, which I then disbanded.

Ankyra had the Holy Lance (I think it started in Antioch), built Heroic Epic and much later rushed a Medical University. Antioch must have built over 50% of my army overall. Sevastaia built defenders and Kaisareia built settlers. Smyrna built non-islamic wonders and Damascus built all of the islamic ones (except House of Wisdom, which was in Tarsus). Constantinople had Royal Mint and Smyrna had Royal Archives.

Espionage was on Abbassids from the outset, eventually stole Education from them when Orthodoxy spread to one of their cities in Jazira. Researched Long-Distance Trade initially at between 10% and 30% science. First GP was a Saint (bulbed Religious Philosophy). Makuria researched Botany for me while I researched Crucible Steel. Traded for Mosaic Art and then learnt Religious Unity for Minaret of Jam. Then beelined Selective Breeding, which I learnt just before 1000AD. From this point, all cities with decent production built Cataphracts until the Sultante of Rum spawn in about 1070AD.

Refused the flip to Sultanate of Rum and then smashed their initial stack and then their follow up stack. Jerusalem declared independence just before KoJ spawn. Sent a stack of Cataphracts down to wait for them. Waited 3 turns after the KoJ spawn, which was enough time for them to have taken Gaza from the Fatimids. Then crushed them in one turn by taking Jerusalem and liberating Gaza back to Fatimids. This subsequently caused Fatimids to become Solid, which they remained for the rest of the game. MY plan was for this to mean no pesky Ayyubids, but in the end I managed to win Domination before the Ayyubid spawn date.

Georgia and Armenia voluntarily vassalised after the Seljuk spawn. Once I had teched as far as Heavy Lancers, I started to expand again. Firstly through Jazira and Mesopotamia, then Seljuk lands. Seljuks capitulated and I liberated their cities back to them. Khwarezmids were next target, and also capitulated. Abbasids respawned at about this point, which was quite painful. Heavy Lancers made mincemeat of their 4x Marksmen in each city though. Final conquests were Ghorids (capitulated) and finally Ghaznavids, who capitulated on what was to be the final turn of my game. I was beating up on Yemen but didn't finish the job at the end.

Trying Ajmer, strategy is to found capital on Jadigar (on horse, 3W from Delhi) so I could train Rajput horse archer from start and conquer Multan & Dilli soon, and capture indie & Malwa workers as well. Research literature and religious philosophy, then build the House of Wisdom in capital, with Shia spread from Multan.

So I built nearly every wonder and things went smooth, until I got about 19% of the land, it's hard to expand and remain stable on my own. I need vassals but I got only Zengids for now. Once I become shaky, Delhi can respawn..

good idea, never thought before about capital on horses...
I must to try it ;D

good idea, never thought before about capital on horses...
I must to try it ;D

And that spot can slowly grow to 21, a decent capital for bureaucracy. Although it overlaps with Dilli, Dilli can still grow to 19.

Chauhan domination.
1513AD, score 6009, 25% land area without vassals.
Again slowly, but i like to build everything, wonders etc and slowly grow up stability.
As a result, in this game stability was almost +70, and it is with few cities under occupation and few cities even without courthouses and temples.
Maybe someday i will be able to conquer every city on the map, like i did it in DoC ;D.
And then i could start to play another mod.
The screenshots:

Sindh domination...
1474AD, score 7056.
27% land area, without vassals.
Was ready for 29% on next turn, but..."Gujarati cities have declared independence!".
The screenshots:

Chauhan domination.
1513AD, score 6009, 25% land area without vassals.
Again slowly, but i like to build everything, wonders etc and slowly grow up stability.
As a result, in this game stability was almost +70, and it is with few cities under occupation and few cities even without courthouses and temples.
Maybe someday i will be able to conquer every city on the map, like i did it in DoC ;D.
And then i could start to play another mod.
The screenshots:
Did you build capital on horse?

Did you build capital on horse?
Yes, right there, on horses. Captured Multan with starting javelinman and archer(in the beginning in Multan only one archer), after spreading Shia in Dilli, I have built House of Wisdom there. To build it faster than Abbasids you need 4 population in Dilli and 4 improvements(cows, 2 mines in hills/grassland, 1 mine in hills). With source of stone from Chittor you can also build Spiral Minaret in Dilli much faster than Abbasids.
And I ofcourse moved capital in Dilli, then burocracy became available. Dilli much better for burocracy. Jalandhar on horses is only for source of horses right in the beginning.

This is my Ajmer game.. much quicker. 100% culture slider and new cities build culture near end. Seljuk managed to get their huge army near my Levant in 1250s, then boom, they collapsed by Mongols. Zengid was vassal. Conquered Gujarat near end, Sindh respawned once near end. It should be able to win before Bahmani spawn.

how did you managed to avoid civil war with -178 stability?:crazyeye:

^Golden Age. One simply does not collapse during one.

My guess would be saving great people for a continuous one at the end, when stability was bad.

^Golden Age. One simply does not collapse during one.

My guess would be saving great people for a continuous one at the end, when stability was bad.

Yes. Slowly expand until you have about 19-20% of the land and about 0 stability, save 6 great people, then finish the game in 24 turns.

Makuria domination ;D
1562AD, 3454 score
25% land area without vassals
balanced and interesting game in the beginning, turns into horrible attempts to expand.
Expansion very much delayed by Ayyubids and Mamluks.
And even more, ayyubid/mamluk appearence is only the reason why Makuria always such DNIWE :C
The screenshots:

Yes, right there, on horses. Captured Multan with starting javelinman and archer(in the beginning in Multan only one archer), after spreading Shia in Dilli, I have built House of Wisdom there. To build it faster than Abbasids you need 4 population in Dilli and 4 improvements(cows, 2 mines in hills/grassland, 1 mine in hills). With source of stone from Chittor you can also build Spiral Minaret in Dilli much faster than Abbasids.
And I ofcourse moved capital in Dilli, then burocracy became available. Dilli much better for burocracy. Jalandhar on horses is only for source of horses right in the beginning.

Yes, Delhi is much better, but I built the House of Wisdom in Jalandhar so I didn't move out.

How do you remain stable after you got more than 19% and without golden age?

Yes, Delhi is much better, but I built the House of Wisdom in Jalandhar so I didn't move out.

How do you remain stable after you got more than 19% and without golden age?
stability grow up due to economy.
I have always and everywhere build only cottages, and was surprised to see farms on screenshots.

stability grow up due to economy.
I have always and everywhere build only cottages, and was surprised to see farms on screenshots.

I see. One should go cottage economy, free labor for long run. And which one is better, market economy or merchant capitalism?

The list has been updated!

Interesting read btw, I think I'll be coming back to SoI soon too.

I see. One should go cottage economy, free labor for long run. And which one is better, market economy or merchant capitalism?
Market economy, because +1 specialist per city better, than +1 trade route with 1 commerce ;D
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Is your Armenia game, with 17.000 score was won on caliph?
I've just ended my game, ended few turns earlier, but score only 13.000.

Armenia domination.
1310AD, 13467 score.
25% land area without vassals.
Victory was achieved on second turn after the end of golden age, with stability almost -200 ;D
The main thing in Armenia games to build second or even first city in hills near pigs, iron, copper. That city produce horse archer every 4~ turns or vishap infantry every 2-3 turns(btw vishaps are infinite power, forified in hills they are invincible) Also horse archers mercenaries are frequently available for Armenia. With such amount of units we can easily conquer mesopotamia, not even need to wait until Buids will be able to help.
After you done with abbasids it is only matter of time, or maybe matter of rushing, then you will be able to achieve domination. :)
The screenshots:

Abbasid domination. "Suleiman the Magnificent" at last ;D
1141AD, score 36619
25% land area with 3 vassals(fatiminds by conquest, makuria, rum)
Easiest domination. I am sure that it is possible to make it even faster and even on caliph difficulty.
1.The main thing is access to horses and fast tech to selective breeding, adopting slavery and producing ghulams, especially ghulams horse archers. But access to horses near Medina may be easily broken by war with Yemen or independent Yerusalim. Also source of horses is available in Armenia. Conquer Armenia in a beginning is a wise choise, because it is contested area with decent production and horses ;D
2.Since cityplacing on food resourses provide full yield, it is better to build Baghdad right on wheat. In that place 3 mines in hills/plains and quarry will be available for city. With heroic epic built, Baghdad produces 1 regular lancer per turn ;D
3.Abbasids have huge reserve of stability, most part of game i was very solid/solid and only in last few turns became unstable and started golden age.
The screenshots:

Market economy, because +1 specialist per city better, than +1 trade route with 1 commerce ;D
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Is your Armenia game, with 17.000 score was won on caliph?
I've just ended my game, ended few turns earlier, but score only 13.000.

No, just sultan, but I had many more population than you, because I massed farms, and I had Roman emperor.... don't know how it calculates.

This rather easy and I really took the time, since I hadn't played SoI in a while and had forgotten some tricks. Anyways, I took out the Byzantines and Antioch stopped to tech and then rolled down the Levant and Iraq simultaniously. I moved on to Egypt and Nubia and Greater Iran to get rest of the land. Zengids vassalised and Georgia was capitulated.

This can be easily improved to about 1350 at least. Ak Kouynly spawn slowed the process significantly and I still had one Great Artist to use when I won.

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This was pretty much straight forward conquering without stopping to heal too much. The early conquering is very important, if it goes badly, you might as well restart. After getting Light Cavalry the only thing you need to do is to avoid winning the URV or UHV before Domination. Only vassal was Ak Kouynly through capitulation.

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This was pretty much straight forward conquering without stopping to heal too much. The early conquering is very important, if it goes badly, you might as well restart. After getting Light Cavalry the only thing you need to do is to avoid winning the URV or UHV before Domination. Only vassal was Ak Kouynly through capitulation.

how does overall score calculates?
20.000 score in 1636...
Maybe it is something except population, techs, worldwonders, winning date?

Embryodead fixed the scoring so that it counts the number of turns played per civ or something like that, as a result it is more RFC friendly.

I see. One should go cottage economy, free labor for long run. And which one is better, market economy or merchant capitalism?

I usually go for Free Labor and Agrarianism. The cottages on the food rich areas grow quickly enough and food poor areas still contribute to Economy.

If there are too many Castles in Greater Iran the initial push becomes slow and the overall victory even slower. However, I am quite happy with this, since Timurids have a really hard time teching and expanding at the same time. Also the Shaybanid invasion is really annoying.

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The starting situation was bad and the Ayyubids killed one of my precious Royal Mamluks before I could even move. I managed to crush them fairly quickly though due to their decreasing stability. In conquered Levant and Iraq first and capitulated Ak Kouynly after their spawn. AK is a great vassal due to their big stability map. Rûm vassalised and Ottomans were also capitulated, but I kept Constantinople for the title to work. I was close to winning before the Safavids spawned, but they flipped few of AK's cities and I had to capitulate them to win. Got a Suleiman score nontheless.:D


The development of the world:

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Other pics:

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Although I managed to take Constantinople early, the starting situation was bad due to the really strong Mamluks (with vassals Cilicia and Rûm), who controlled everything south of Antioch. I did a slight overkill, while preparing to fight them, but my eccessive troops managed to conquer Levant, Egypt, Hejaz, Nobatia, Bahrain and Yemen really quickly after their collapse, which was due to my spy operations and smashing their main army. Ak Kouynly, Oman and Safavids were vassals.
Anyways, without strong Mamluks this can done a lot quicker.


The Development of the world:

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Constantinople grabbed Kizil Kule early, so it became a monster wonder spammer:

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It was soon pretty clear that Fatimids are too weak to prevent the Ayyubid spawn, so I couldn't take Damascus early, which in the end costs many turns. Anyways, I prepared for their spawn and I was able collapse them quite some time before the Mamluks came around. After taking Egypt PoA offered to peace vassalise and I accepted, because I already had Tripoli. I took Iraq before Ak Kouynly's spawn and then capitulated them as well as I feared for PoA to collapse, but feeding them few cities buffed them to survive. Soon after Ottomans declared war and I capitulated them as well, after which my crusader army rallied to Iran to capitulate Safavidss as well, which was enough to win.

The development of the world:

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Other pics:

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From the beginning Egypt produced troops and the quickly conquered Levant focused on economy. After crushing the Mamluks, Zengids vassalised and I took Yemen for the incense and coffee, while marching to Iraq. The Seljuks came two turns short of providing me enough silk to complete the Kutlug-Timur, so I took Constantinople and Ravy to finish it and further buff the corporations.

I also vassalised Rûm and capitulated Ottomans and Ak Kouynly, I was only few decimals of winning when the Safavids spawned and set me back for a while, but finishing them was enough for the win.

The development of the Middle East:

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Other pics, companies yielded nicely in the end:

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The first priority is securing Hindustan, which is fairly simple, I capitulated Bahmanis to avoid UHV and to keep the crappy cities into a minimum. Meanwhile, I was able to tech all the way to Musketman, so my huge army was prepared to fight on every front. First I secured my northern border by smashing the Shaybanid stack wondering around Eastern Khorasan and taking few of their cities, while threathening to more, they capitulated. I did the same to Ak Kouynly, although they capitulated even faster. For my surprise, I noticed that I had enough land, but I was slightly short of population, so I declared war on the Fatimids and vassal Ottomans. Together they formed quite a formidable foe, Ottomans even had Heavy Cavalry.

I fought a great battle against main Fatimid stack outside Baghdad, which resulted in my decisive victory: I lost 2 Heavy Cavalries, 1 Siege Elephant and two Musketmen, while they lost 11 Heavy Lancers, 13 Noble Horsemen, 4 Arqebusiers, 3 Marksmen, 2 Ghulam Horse Archers, 5 Heavy Infantry and 5 Pikemen. I also devoured an Ottoman stack, while taking control of Iraq (check the power rankings). That was enough to to make the Fatimids to sign peace for a city, which I took and fulfilled the population margin as well.

This was a really nice game!

My army and power rankings:

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The development of Middle East:

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Other stuff:

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wow. such a nice python exception :sarcasm;
But minimap looks impressive. Congratulations with another domination victory :goodjob:

Thanks dmitrytrue! From this page I could judge that we are the only ones following this thread. :D

Yes. But it is even strange. Unusual and unique mod. Wonder why it is not so popular like DoC.

From the start I took the Shahanshah-provinces and after getting my economy started I focused on teching towards Heavy Horse Archers to counter the Mongols. I had around 60 of them when Mongols came, so they were easily crsuhed with couple suicide catapults per stack. At this point Estafan also produced skirmish HHAs. Right after the Mongols had terrorised Iraq, I came in to mop up them and the surviving indies. Simultaniously PoA and Ayyubids offered to vassalise, Ayyubids for war against Mamluks which I gladly took and crushed them before they became a threat. Liberating cities to Ayyubids kept them from collapsing although this cost me some stability.

Karaman had also vassalised at some point, so I was close to victory and focusing on culture gave it to me fairly quickly.


The development of the Middle East:

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Other stuff:

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Yes. But it is even strange. Unusual and unique mod. Wonder why it is not so popular like DoC.

I think that the civs are too unknown for most of the people here. Although it was voted as the best rfc mod, but strangely I can't seem to find the poll anywhere. EDIT: here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=448051)

I love to play this mod, but I have no interest in domination victories. :p

i failed seljuk domination victory with vikramaditya+shahanshah titles strategy, some hindustan province don't convert in border after adoption hinduism=(

I attacked Iraq directly from start with the Berber Cavalries and I was lucky to find barbarian controlled Kufah, I took it and indy Wasit and hired every merc I could get my hands on. With my combined forces I took Baghdad, Ahvaz and Basra from the Buyids.

The Makurians vassalised to me and the crusaders spawned and got stomped by me and my new vassal Zengids. I regrouped and built Heavy Lancers to counter the Mongols, who were easily repelled, the Seljuks weren't so lucky and I conquered all their lands up to Khwarezmia. Meanwhile Cilicia, Sindh and Karaman vassalised too and I got the victory relatively early, although I feel there is still plenty of room for improvement.


The development of the Middle East:

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Other pics:

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This was just a nice game that ended in a domination victory, so it was far from par performance. The strategy is quite simple, catch up in tech, wait the Mongols to raid Iran and Iraq and sweep in after them.

Vassals were Malwa, Sindh, Bahmani and Safavids.

Oman's tech situation is horrible in the beginning and it takes quite long to catch up, which makes domination really slow:
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The development of the Middle East:

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Other pics, corporations yielded nicely in the end:

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Jusos2108, next Georgia?

I was playing as them and about 5% from victory in 1490s, but the no Golden Age from GPs bug made me quit, because I would've wanted the buff before Safavids spawn.

Put please screens playing for Georgia, I would like to compare the location of the city:)

Jusos, I can fix your save if you want (update alone won't fix it until a new game), though without latest SVN update it will break again after a new tech is discovered.

Great, I'll upload the save (and some pics) later today!:D

Here is the save and a picture of my homeland city placement:
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Ottomans, Antioch, Ayyubids and Ak Kouynly are vassals.

thx, i see that lost the pace of development

Here's the fixed save. To prevent the bug from happening again in the same game, use latest SVN version or download only CvRFCEventHandler.py (http://sword-of-islam.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sword-of-islam/Assets/Python/CvRFCEventHandler.py?revision=376) and put it in Sword of Islam/Assets/Python.

I founded my first cities on the apple and horses with minimum overlapping. The Apple city was my Monaspa Lancer and later Heavy Lancer mill with Heroic Epic and five settled GGs. So yeah, level four Heavy Lancers in the end.:D

Anyways, after the Mongols I made the big push towards Anatolia, which ended in capitulating the Ottomans, after this I also capitulated Antiochia and Ak Kouynly and Ayyubids. After that I took Iraq and amassed my forces against the Mamluks, who capitulated as well after taking Cairo and crushing their armies. Meanwhile I also fought off the Safavids and denyed their flip. Then I continued towards the Steppes and won the game after collapsing Timurids and capitulating the Khanate of Bukhara.


The Middle East:

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jesus2108 jusos2108, tamar drinking with u?:confused:

You know his name is Jusos not Jesus right? :cringe:

You know his name is Jusos not Jesus right? :cringe:
i'm drink too:rolleyes:

Ak Kouynly depends a lot of the starting situation. This time Iraq was full of Castles, but Antiochia was available, since PoA had collapsed and Byzantine defended it lightly, and most importantly Dvin was Barbarian, which meant fast access to Horses. Ak Koynly's economy is crap in the beginning, so I turned the slider to zero to maintain all the mercs that I bought. And I literally bought all mercs for the next 130 years or so. At the highest my merc upkeep was about 70gpt. But capturing rich Iraq and pillaging towns in Anatolia keeps the cash flowing and I was able to tech Mechanical Engineering and Blast Furnace pretty quickly, after which I beelined Syncretism for Religious Freedom and, by-product, the Topkapi Palace.

After taking Iraq, Northern Levant and Armenia, I faced the Safavids and capitulated tehm quickly. Then I built my forces against the Ottomans, whom I intented to capitulate, but since they refused to surrender, I ended up conquering all of Anatolia. Meanwhile I was also expanding to inner Iran and culture bombing the lands there. After beating the Ottomans into submission and taking Constantinople and Brusa, for peace, I focused my troops against the Mamluks, who had vassalised Georgia and Ottomans, after the peace of course. I begun to roll down the Levant and didn't get further than Domiyat and Jerusalem, when the land goal was fulfilled.


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Mazar-e Sharif (1E) is a lot better capital than Balkh, so founded it and sent the second settler to found Khavakend 2E and 1N from the stone in Farghana. This solution allows you to build the Spiral Minaret before the Abbasids, which is crucial, since that's pretty much all the extra cash within your reach. Marv became the GP factory. I took Herat and Zaranj early, since I will have to deny the Seljuk flip anyway. I also sent a settler towards future Gwadar. Ghaznavids spawned and I destroyed one of their settler parties and signed peace. Karakhanids were fought off in the meantime.

Seljuks and Khwarezmia spawned and I kept them in order while teching towards HHAs, which I got around 1150, so there was plenty of time to prepare for the mongols. Around this time I also took Kerman and Yazd. After the Mongols were quite easily repelled with skirmish HHAs and few catapults, I declared war on Seljuks and vassals Abbasids and Ghaznavids. I timed the war so that the massive Seljuk stack was on the plain next to Estafan and I took it out without losses, which was the death blow to Seljuks. Ghaznavids, who also controlled Ghorid's former land, faced similar treatment and I razed Farah, which had cut my empire in two. Ghaznavids collapsed first and I made peace with Seljuks for Hamadan after taking Estafan, Tehran, Gorgan, Bastum and Mashhad. Meanwhile my other faster army had taken Basrah, Ahvaz, Wasit and Kufah. Seljuks collapsed pretty quickly and I took rest of their cities and Abbasdis followed soon after and I took Baghdad, after which I just focused on grabbing the land quickly.


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Christ, Jusos. Your a one man wrecking machine.

Is no one else playing this game?

Thanks!:D
I guess not.. At least this challenge.

I play, but I'm more interested in URV:)

As soon as one became available, I hired a merc and went on Chittor with all units. I got it with my last swordman. Then I regrouped and went against Ajmer and razed Bundi. I didn't have the forces to take the capital, but they collapsed and I was able to sweep in. Next was Gwalior, but after that I had bring my forces back to Chittor to kill the Gujarati before they connect the copper, I took their capital and Dwarka, after which they were willing to capitulate, which I accepted, because rest of their cities were up for razing. They survived really long and I had assasinate their heir three times before they kicked the bucket.

Meanwhile, I had taken Northern Hindustan and Sindh right after their spawn. Naturally the Ghorids declared war on me and I took Peshawar and Dharmasala from them hoping to collapse them, but they survived until my next attack. Then I founded Gwadar and sent an army to conquer Iraq after the Mongols had wiped it clean. Then I slowly took Iran to fill the land treshold while staying stable to avoid a nasty respawn in India. Gujarat did respawn once, but I was able to take them down in two turns.


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Abbasids had failed to build the HoW before I spawned, because of the Buyids I assume. So Ghazna went straight for it and then Spiral Minaret; Ghazna became a monster wonder spammer. Meanwhile my troops went to India, where I managed to pick up Multan and Dilli. All other cities built workers to connect the lands asap. I also took Zaranj and Lahore, before rolling against the Sindh right after their spawn. I continued to Gujarat and capitulated them after inflicting reasonable damage to their army and taking Dwarka. My army then continued straight to Malwa and I liberated Chittor and Dhar to Gujarat before Malwa collapsed. Next was Ajmer, whose culture really pressed the former Malwan lands. I liberated Bundi to Gujarat, but kept Ajmer's capital and Gwalior for a while, since at that point the liberations hurt my stability. Later I continued to the indie Malwan lands and helped Gujarat to take them too.

Meanwhile I expanded slowly in Iran to Kerman and Western Khorasan just few steps behind the Mongols. After 1250 I claimed the Shahanshah lands, Iraq and Tocharistan. Then I just waited for the borders to pop for the land.

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I have been playing the same KoJ domination game for about 3 months. I just don't get as much time as I used to at the computer.

Yeah, I have had a lot of spare time recently.

Btw, could you update the URV list?

The starting troops headed north to take Mosul and raze Edessa and Antioch, I suffered losses by hired mercs to fill in the gaps. I kept Sur and took Jerusalem and Makkah, and finally Medinah. Few veterans were sent to take Dvin right after Armenian spawn. With this setup I paused to tech and countering the Buyids. Damascus, Mosul and Gundeshapur were my army training cities, while Baghdad focused on wonder spamming, Kufah for money and Samarra commerce. Makuria peace vassalised and later I took Soda and Aksum for them.

Naturally I got the 2/3 uhv GA and I also used one spare GS to bulb a GA. Fatimids spawned and cpitulated after losing Cairo, Damietta and Al-Minya. I had a ton of workers and I built a road from Aksum to Levant to speed up my troop movement and to help my allies to found cities and defend against the barbs. I took Yazd and Shiraz from Buiyds, but they survived until the Seljuks spawned. Because Estafan was the Buyid capital the Seljuks didn't flip and I took from the Buyids right after the flip, I also razed Siraf. Meanwhile I had conquered Georgia and rest of Armenia together with Trabzon. My intention was to capitulate Seljuks, but they weren't willing so ended up conquering them, I proceeded immeatidely against the Ghaznavids and then to India and Khwarezmian lands. Baghdad had built the Mevlanas tomb early and I managed to spawn three GAs, which I used to culture bomb Kerman, Zaranj and Turbat. This was enough for the win. My stability dropped like crazy in the end, but I managed to hold it together.

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Ghorid domination game depends quite much on the starting situation, i.e. are the Ghaznavids or Sindh too strong or have the Ajmer conquered the indies in northern Hindustan. I played couple games for about 20 turns until I realised that things aren't going too well, so I rolled a new start. The last was decent, although Ghaznavids had founded Firakuz 1W, so that it caught Herat's sorghum and there was no Herat. Anyways I went with it and sent the starting troops to take Ghazna and then Qandahar, which collapsed the Ghaznavids. Meanwhile Peshawar pumped out trebutchets for Lahore. After taking Lahore and Quetta, I continued straight against the Sindh, who can become really annoying, if not killed quickly.

The mongols come really quickly after the start, but can be taken out with swords and catapults, since the Kabul stack can be killed with the free barb wins. Their second spawn is actually even more annoying, because getting Muhajids before 1240 can be difficult. Anyways, after taking out Sindh and the Indies in north I paused for quite a while to tech. Gujarat and vassal Ajmer declared war on me a little after I had gotten HHA's and my cities were pumping them out like crazy. They managed to take Thatta with their impressive stack of dumbos, UU-swordmen and trebutchees, but I quickly recovered it and routed all my HHA's to Gujarat. I took Dwarka, Anhilwara and Surat without siege (I ignored razeable Vegh Kot and Somnath), after which the Ajmer broke free and I made peace with Gujarat for Gwalior. Meanwhile my army in Delhi had taken Ajmer and my troops from Gujarat razed Chittor and I made peace with them too. Sure enough they both collapsed pretty quickly.

Simultaniously I had sent two stacks of Muhajids and trebutches to conquer Western Khorasan and Kerman. From which they continued to rest of Iran and Iraq with reinforcement HHA's and Heavy Lancers. Then I just focused on culture and capitulated the stubborn Bahmanids for the win.


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After getting a camel merc, I went straight for Makkah and took it. Then I sent all mercs I could get my hands on to Iraq and my smallish army arrived conviniently in the middle of the Abbasids-Buyids battle. Abbasids collapsed quickly and I took Kufah, Wasit and Basra; Buyids had Baghdad. The Yemeni stability is really crap and from the start it drops to -15 without any particular reason, so I had to focuse on getting stable/solid in order to prevent an Abbasid respawn. I managed to pull it off and the Abbasids were never seen again. Meanwhile Sana'a built the Spiral Minaret and Al-Azhar. Btw, I got the stable quest took the +1 food from stables, which suits Yemen extremely well. Madinah was size 8 and a production monster.:D

When the Buyids collapsed, I took Baghdad quickly to close the respawning window; I also took indie Gundeshapur earlier. Then I just teched and prepared for Mongols, I had to declare war on Seljuks around 1230 to get iron from Damascus for Heavy Lancers, but they never really threatened the isolated Iraq and Mongolse eventually wiped them out. Then I expanded to Iran and collapsed the Fatimids, killed the (re)spawned Mamluks and rolled over Africa from Levant (which I had pretty much taken in the 1220s) and Aksum. This together with Iran and crushing Ak Kouynly was enough for the win; Oman was a vassal.

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completed my first domination win, malwa and am working on my second using a similar strategy and i had a question/note.

didn't take a screenshot as it didn't beat the existing malwa score or time.

but my goal was to use the hindu ability to get both titles to greater stability, but when i get shananshah, my stability does not seem to go up ten. i thought so the first time but the second and third, (i had one failed ajmer attempt) i was paying careful attention.

also, my stability as malwa was much greater than it was as ajmer at the same point. 50 points greater as malwa before moving into iran. do civs have built in stability buffs?

I have had similar experiences about the Shahanshah-title.