View Full Version : 800 AD and over 100+ barbarian killed. Normal?
May 31, 2012, 05:33 PM
Hi so I am trying china 3000 bc start on emperor. Tough nut to crack realy.
Barbs sapwn rate is just outrageous, stack of 6-12 horse archers just never stop spawning. I am only producing units to barely survive the waves as my troops just die of attrition... Is this normal?
I mean i killed already 100+ barbs on statistic page, dont wanna spend another tedious hour figting another 100...
PS: tech rate is horrible on emperor, i am not even close to the great wall
May 31, 2012, 06:02 PM
^ If player cannot tech to Great Wall by 800 AD the game needs to be rebalanced...
May 31, 2012, 06:02 PM
I feel the same way except on Monarch as well.
I really think that there needs to be either some sort of compensation for China's difficulty teching (via increased trade penalty)
or we should just move The Great Wall back to Masonry or Mathematics.
And we need Taoism before Confucianism as well.
Jun 01, 2012, 04:28 AM
Hi, good in a way to see that its not only me struggling with China!
I ll give a new try today. Its my first times trying China In DoC.
So far i tech this to get math/calendar in time. Maybe i should tech otherwise?
Tech animal husbandry
tech Writing to get 1st library
then tech bronzeworking to survive stuff with axemen. I found kummin to get bronze.
tech fishing,sailing then calendar.
after yesterdays 100 barbs killed i realised i realy need spearmen so i ll try tech for hunting before fishing to calendar.
Btw India and others dont wanna trade tech with me at all. Is it normal? they all DOW on me quite soon :-(
Oh and another question. My inflation rate was at 48% with 5 cities. How do i get the inflation rate down?
Jun 01, 2012, 04:55 AM
Yeah, Leoreth made it so that no one will trade techs with China, almost at all.
I noticed the same thing generally with other civs too actually.
My current France game forces me to self-tech almost everything.
And in my last England game, everyone had Rifling but me by game's end.
The overall harshness has forced me to explore even more exploity things than normal,
such as Subsidies Trading & constant Map selling.
I also save and reload now; and that's outside of time puzzle civs.
I liked how it was before in 1.81 honestly.
Some sure things still remain though, like Mali & Divine Right, but overall, you will need to self-tech worker techs (which makes Great Wall impossible and the barb onslaught outrageous).
He also made it so that Pantheon wonders are harder to get (which has a very adverse effect on Economy and tech rate).
There are some work-arounds that might work for you.
For one, do not tech Mathematics & Calendar.
Let other civs found those religions and Confucianism & Taoism should still naturally spread to you.
Get Oracle, The Great Lighthouse & The Great Library, or as many of those as you can.
Temple of Artemis, Great Cothon & Pantheon are secondary, but you should try for them as well.
Jun 01, 2012, 05:09 AM
I'm going to play China soon, to see how it has changed.
Jun 01, 2012, 06:45 AM
Hi I am doing good atm on China!!! Emperor normal ofc
Got the wall in 450. helped alot had "only" to kill 45 barbs!!
- Haha when i got the wall i saved the game and named the save WALL F.U
I managed to get compass at around 850
but atm i am at 1050 and somebody else got paper, crushing my uhv:-( so i ll reload to WALL F.U i guess :lol:
Jun 01, 2012, 06:51 AM
Did you check who beat you to Paper? Was it the Arabs?
Jun 01, 2012, 07:23 AM
hmm, they get paper in 970 now while I am teching civil service at halfway. I think its not possible to get paper in time, especialy since every neighbour declares war even at pleased and wont trade much at all.
Gonna try some other civ, but I am happy that i got that wall, god it was nice to see it build just in front of another barbarian horde:-)
Jun 01, 2012, 07:24 AM
Yeah. I must admit I don't care if the Chinese UHV is impossible on Emperor; I'd rather have it reasonably challenging on Monarch than doable on Emperor.
Jun 01, 2012, 07:34 AM
Btw is it intentional that korea gets erased by barbs in everygame like 10 turns after they spawn? Poor guys, they dont stand a chance at all lol
Jun 01, 2012, 08:52 AM
In my best game as China the Arabs beat me to Gunpowder by around 1000 AD =\
Jun 01, 2012, 10:31 AM
The Arabs really shouldn't beeline Gunpowder ... I'll adjust their tech weights.
I've started a Monarch game as China and so far everything still seems okay ... the tech pace is okay imo, and barbarians are manageable. You're right though that there's something wrong with tech trade ... other civs demand too much for their techs. Maybe I can even make them less reluctant to buy your monopoly tech, let's see.