IOT: Land Ho!
http://blog.spacetec.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Planting-the-Flag-landing_columbus.jpg

Welcome to Linkman226's second IOT :D! It is a redux of my first.

As you read this, please listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqLCMkwEvzI). Thank you :)

This Imperium Offtopicum starts in the year 1485, not far from Columbus's "discovery" of the Americas. There are a few quirks, of course ;). You will start in the Old World, specifically in Europe, West Asia, or North Africa, but later on you will have the potential to expand across the world, where you will find various NPC's and unoccupied land ripe for the conquering.


Basic Stuff

If you're malicious, rude, etc. you will be expelled and I won't be afraid to report you to the mods. Use some common sense, and follow the rules of the IOT, OT, and CFC forums, please. I reserve the right to veto any action.

There are two maps in this IOT, the Old World map and the whole world map (not really the whole world, but all the relevant parts for this IOT).

Lastly, put all orders in red.

Joining
You may start ONLY as a nation in the Old World. This is defined by the Old World Map further down. The exception is if you join the game after at least three nations have reached the New World (detailed later), in which case you can take over an NPC anywhere in the real Old World, rather than just in the Old World in the map below.

When you join, post:

A map with the 30 territories you are claiming
Name
Flag
Type of Government and Economic System- be realistic about this, the year is 1485
Capital
Religion
History
One Strength
One Flaw

The last two are also very important- they help give you the special advantage and special weakness I confer upon you.

Expansion

Each territory you have gives you one expansion point, EP.

Peaceful
Before the first phase, I will give everyone a decent number of extra territories to begin with. The quantity and location depend on your roleplay (better RP, more territories), but everyone's will be relatively balanced. Then I'll place some NPC's on the map.

After that claiming is allowed of unoccupied territories within the Old World.

Which is when you'll realize there are none :p (except, perhaps, for some parts of Africa and the eastern reaches of the Old World map)

In order to expand, you'll probably need to move to foreign continents.

Different areas of the world require different "projects" to expand into. This sends out some intrepid explorer to find some foreign land. The three projects:


All of these require a navy.

Atlantic Ocean access is defined as having a coastline on the Atlantic Ocean west of the Netherlands, inclusive. The Mediterranean does not count UNLESS you also control Gibraltar or broker a deal for passage with the owner of Gibraltar.

Access to all other oceans is defined simply as having a coast on that ocean.

American Expedition- allows colonization of Americas- 20 EP. Requires Atlantic Ocean access.

Asian Expedition- allows colonization of Asia east of Iran- 50 EP. Requires Atlantic Ocean access OR Indian Ocean access.

Alternatively, nations bordering the eastern edge of the Old World can colonize adjacent colonies that are not on the Old World map after paying a one time deposit of 25 EP.

Sub-Saharan Expedition- allows colonization of all Africa- 80 EP. Requires Atlantic Ocean access OR Indian Ocean access.

Exploration- Each twenty EP's invested nets one extra white province you can claim per turn


White territories can be claimed for 1 EP a piece. Without any EP investment in exploration, you an claim up to three provinces a turn. As explained above, however, exploration increases this.

Agressive

You can also attack countries, NPC or human. First, you must declare war on them, either secretly or in public. If you DoW secretly, there is a 25% chance of success adjusted by the quality of roleplay material you provide. If you are caught, you get no bonus, but if you are not, you get a bonus in attacking the first turn.

Attacks are done by via random number generator comparing armies or navies, whichever are attacking.

Uses of EP's Other than Expansion

Armies and Navies

Each army and each navy cost 1 EP.

Armies allow you to attack territories contiguous with your land. A navy can attack any coastal territory provided it can move there (not blocked by someone's control of a strait- explained later). A navy can also transport an army, thereby allowing that army to attack non-contiguous but coastal territories.

Straits

Control of the following straights grants a person the ability to deny access through them by controlling them:

The Dardanelles, the Bosporus, Gibraltar, Copenhagen/Malmo, Sinai, Djibouti/ Bab-el-Mandeb, Hormuz.

Control is defined as possessing both territories on either side and having a navy, or possessing one side but having a navy at least twice the size of the person on the other side.

The exception is Gibraltar. If different powers control either side of the straight, the owner of the Spanish side trumps the owner of the Moroccan side.

If different nations possess either side of a straight, another nation may pass through only if both owners assent.

Infrastructure

You may build infrastructure in your territories. It costs 3 EP's per piece, but gives an extra 2 EP's per turn.

Trade

Every single trade agreement you have nets you 1 EP per turn

Rebellion! And other random events

Various random events can happen to your country depending on the state of world affairs, your roleplays, and other people's roleplays.

Of particular interest is the rebellion. Any province not controlled by you at the beginning of turn 1 has the potential to rebel if you happen to control it later in the game; however your core, your starting provinces, will never rebel. There is a base 5% chance per turn of rebellion happening somewhere in your nation, but that is modified by other factors. The chances of rebellion are decreased by:



Keeping territories close to and connected to your capital (if it's more than 20 territories away or across the ocean, +10 percentage points)
Building infrastructure (Each infra decreased probability by 1 percentage point)
Having a strong army (Formula: ((army+navy)/Provinces/100 * .5) is how many percentage points the rebellion rate is decreased by.
Winning wars (Each capital controlled other than your own decreases the probability by five percentage points)
Being at peace (War increases it by 10 percentage points)
Having certain powers or not having certain weaknesses.
Wrting good roleplays (depends on quality)



When a territory rebels, an NPC forms and takes it over, but the person from whom it rebels has that one opportunity to switch to that new nation. I will also roll to see if neighboring provinces join the rebelling province, with a base chance of 20%, modified by the factors above.

Which territory rebels will be decided by me based on the state of world affairs.

NPC Actions

There are various actions you can perform with NPC's:

Form Protectorate-You control the country's diplomacy and movement of armies and navies. half of its EP's are transferred to you per turn. Costs three EP per territory controlled by the NPC.

Annex- The NPC is absorbed into your nation. Costs four EP per territory controlled by the NPC.

Lastly, you can perform all actions you could with any regular player.

Maps and Player Info

Old World Map at the Present Moment

http://i.imgur.com/8mwPJ.png (http://imgur.com/8mwPJ)

From the Atlas of Ibn Batttuta, First Edition:


http://i.imgur.com/9ALmQ.png (http://imgur.com/9ALmQ)



http://i.imgur.com/12PRo.png (http://imgur.com/12PRo)



http://i.imgur.com/xkQ41.png (http://imgur.com/xkQ41)


Nations

Mali Empire- BSmith1068

Kingdom of Greater Celtia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583495&postcount=8)- Kinich-Ahau

Holy Empire of Prussia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583548&postcount=9)- madtemplar0

The Caliphate of Cordova (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583589&postcount=11)- Farsight

The Kingdom of Poland (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583592&postcount=12)- Red_Spy

Empire of Ethiopia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11585320&postcount=58)- JoanK

Tsardom of Russia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583884&postcount=15)- NinjaCow64

The Kingdom of Normandy (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11584104&postcount=25)- momo1000

Kingdom of Jerusalem (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11584173&postcount=26)- Tyo

Ottoman Empire (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11585261&postcount=53)- christos200

Most Serene Grand United Republic of Venice (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11585292&postcount=54)- Krzowwh

Holy Empire of Aragon-Aquitane (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11587750&postcount=109)- Tambien

Updates

Update 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11585177&postcount=43)

Only thing is the image is JPEG. Can't make claims too efficiently :c

Er... which format should it be in?

EDIT: Ah, yes, png. Will fix shortly.

Name: Mali Empire
Flag:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Mali_empire_flag.jpg
Type of Government and Economic System: Monarchy
Capital: Timbuktu
Religion: Islamic
History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire
One Strength: Shrewd Traders
One Flaw: Poor Sailors

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5300/maliempire.jpg

Format fixed. BSmith, mind redoing your map with the png? Sorry about that.

Kingdom of Greater Celtia

Capital: Áth Cliath
Government: Monarchy
Leader: High King Muireachadh Cathaoir
Languages: Gaeilge, Gàidhlig, Brezhoneg, Norsk
Social Policy: Plutocratic
Fiscal Policy: Free Market
Trade Policy: Free Trade
Currency: Gaelic Bonn
Foriegn Policy: Expansionist
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Strength: Nationalist Sentiment- Defensive Bonus
Flaw: Hatred of Heretics & Heathens- NPC actions cost more if the NPC is of a different religion
After Diarmait Mac Murchada was deposed from the throne of Lienster by Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair, High King of Ireland, in 1166, he fled to England to seek the aid of the English King Henry II in regaining his Kingdom; the English King agreed, on the condition Diarmait Mac Murchada swear fealty to him as his vassal. Mac Muchada, in desperation, agreed. This was all the English King needed, and so, on May 1st, 1169, a party of Norman Knights associated with Henry II landed on the shores of Ireland, near Bannow. The Knights marched deep into Ireland, and in the pivotal 2nd Battle of Lienster in 1170, were routed by an Irish army under the command of High King Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair. The Knights had by now abandoned any hope save that of escaping Ireland with their lives. The forces of the Irish were able to outflank the Knights as they fled past the town of Cork, crushing them utterly in the bloody 3rd Battle of Cork. With Ireland secure from outside invasion, High King Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair was able to use the political leverage he had gained to force the other Irish kingdoms to swear fealty to him. No longer was the High King of Ireland simply a title to be held, and Ireland was at last united under a strong ruler.

In 1223, the Kingdom of Ireland was contacted by a Norwegian noble by the name of Eyulf Kjell. Kjell's offer was simple: if Ireland would intervene in the Norwegian Civil War & help put Kjell on the throne, Kjell would ensure that Rogaland, Hordaland, Sogn og Fjordane, & Møre og Romsdal passed under Irish control. The High King of Ireland, Fearchar Tighearnach, agreed, and so, on September 24, 1223, the Kingdom of Ireland declared war on the feuding Norwegians. The fighting lasted almost a decade, but the forces of Fearchar Tighearnach & Eyulf Kjell were ultimately victorious, and Kjell was placed upon the Norwegian throne. Kjell refused to honor his earlier deal with the Irish, however, stating that rightfully Norwegian lands should remain in the hands of Norwegians, and in response to this betrayal, The Kingdom of Ireland declared war upon the Kingdom of Norway in 1232. Ireland won a string of victories before Iceland joined the war on Norway's side in 1234, turning the war in favor of the Norwegians, but by 1235 Ireland had regained her former momentum & was once again winning. Irish troops occupied Kjell's palace at the conclusion of the Siege of Oslo in 1236, and in the subsequent Treaty of Lisburn in 1237, Iceland was annexed by Ireland, and Norway ceded not only the territories of Rogaland, Hordaland, Sogn og Fjordane, & Møre og Romsdal, but also Trondhjems amt and Nordland. Irish forces spent several years putting down Norwegian revolts in their new lands, but after careful negotiation with the rebels, during which the Irish stressed the cultural similarities they shared as a result of the Viking raids & settlements in Ireland during the height of the Viking Age, the rebels agreed to lay down their arms in exchange for more local autonomy.

As the decades wore on, the Kingdom of Ireland would clash again & again with the English. Tensions came to a boiling point when, after the death of the Scottish King Alexander III, the Scottish lords brought in King Achaius Tighearnach of Ireland to settle the issue of the Scottish succession. This infuriated the reigning King of England, Edward I, who had hoped to use the situation to undermine the Scots & set the stage for English control of Scotland. After Achaius Tighearnach named the very anti-English Cadmon Calahan King of Scotland in 1287, Edward I declared war upon the Scots & the Irish. The English were predicted by many to be the victors of the conflict, but after their humiliating defeat at the Battle of Manchester, popular opinion on the ultimate victor of the war shifted, & in 1289 the Treaty of Limerick was signed, in which the English agreed to end any interference in Irish & Scottish affairs. In order to cement his new alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland, King Achaius Tighearnach sent his daughter Decla Tighearnach off to marry King Cadmon Calahan of Scotland; unknown to anyone, however, was the fact that Decla was infertile. When Cadmon Calahan died of illness in 1299, he died without an heir, and King Achaius Tighearnach of Ireland inherited the Scottish throne. Afterwards, High King Achaius Tighearnach declared that the Union of Ireland & Scotland was a grand occasion, and that all Celtic peoples should be unified in a single strong state. He disbanded the Kingdoms of Ireland & Scotland & formed the Kingdom of Greater Celtia, with himself as King.

The Kings of Greater Celtia reigned in peace for nearly 50 years, with the Tighearnach dynasty producing rulers who were both wise & just; this Golden Age of Celtic Culture came to an end in 1344, however, when the High King of Greater Celtia, Loingseach Tighearnach, died without an heir. Knowing that it was only a matter of time before foreign rulers claimed the Celtic throne, and seeking to avoid what the Civil Wars that so frequently gripped countries undergoing a succession crisis, the Nobles of Greater Celtia convened in Áth Cliath with the hope of quickly electing a new King. One Noble, Peddyr of House Cathaoir, was able to, through blackmail, bribery, & shrewd negotiations, secure the support of the majority of the Nobles, and was crowned High King of Greater Celtia in 1345. Despite having the support of the Nobles, however, many of the people did not approve of his rule, and whispers of rebellion reached his ears. When the Normans rebelled from the French in 1356, High King Peddyr Cathaoir saw his chance, both to bolster public approval for his rule & undermine the rival states of France & England. Citing House Cathaoir's historical ties to Brittany & the region's Celtic Culture as a Casus Belli, he got involved in the War of Breton Succession; the French & the English, fighting not only each other & the Celts but also the rebellious Normans, lost ground quickly and in December 1362 what remained of their Kingdoms agreed to recognize the Celtic claim to Brittany; the Duchy entered a personal union with Greater Celtia under High King Peddyr Cathaoir in January 1363, and when Peddyr died three decades later Brittany was fully incorporated into the Kingdom of Greater Celtia.

As the decades wore on, Celtia's influence grew, and the state established dynastic ties with Galicia, Asturias, Wales, Mann, & the petty Norwegian & Swedish Kingdoms. The Kingdom grew in wealth & power, and the establishment of new trade routes & growth of cities led to Nobility gradually losing more & more power; the old landed estates still exist, but they have been reduced to mere shadows of their former wealth & grandeur. It was increasingly the merchants that exerted the greatest influence on the King; this influence was most clearly shown in 1417, when King Brendanus Cathaoir issued the Proclamation of Dùn Èideann, in which the Merchants were guaranteed certain rights & privileges similar to those once granted to the Nobility.

In 1479, at the age of 22, Muireachadh Cathaoir inherited the throne of Greater Celtia; thus far, his reign has seen the strengthening of Celtia's dynastic ties to the petty Norwegian Kingdoms, the petty Swedish Kingdoms, Galicia, Asturias, Wales, & Mann- but especially Wales & Mann. His just rule has also seen increased Celtic activity on the diplomatic stage, and as the sun rises on the year 1485, there is no telling what Greater Celtia's future holds...

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/Thalein/StartingTerritoriesB-1.png

Holy Empire of Prussia

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1080/prussiaflag.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/prussiaflag.png/)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7480/iotlandhostartgermany.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/iotlandhostartgermany.png/)


Government: Plutocratic Empire
Leader: Kaiser Frederick II Hohenzollern ("the I" is the revolting one, this is his son)
Economy: Mercantilism
Capital: Berlin de jure Hamburg de facto
Religion: Catholic
History: LATER (see post page 2)
One Strength: Junker Leadership- "professionalism, aggressiveness, militarism, and conservatism of the Junker class" as put by Wikipedia. Choose what you want. Military/industrial/expansion bonus.
One Flaw: Proud- worse relations with NPC's or some such

Format fixed. BSmith, mind redoing your map with the png? Sorry about that.

Can't do it today, but I'll get to it. (FYI, I just used my starting post from the first game, map and all!)

The Caliphate of Cordova

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn4AtE6nT1B9psd4XeyI00A8xwsGIOo sRqzVhJltKJLMhn17WeRuWiBhj4Yg

Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Economic System: Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economics_in_the_world)
Capital: ...Cordova
Religion: Islam, but Jews and Christians are tolerated so long as they pay the Jizya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya).
History: To be added
One Strength: Patronage of the Arts
One Flaw: Theocratic

If you don't mind, I made a fixed version of your map.

http://i.imgur.com/jB0od.png

The Kingdom of Poland

http://i.imgur.com/lSjuk.jpg

Capital: Warsaw
Religion: Catholic
Government: Elective Monarchy
History: Later
Strength: Polish Hussars. These noble horsemen have been adopted by many in Eastern Europe, and they now form a strong role in the Polish military.
Flaws: "Golden Liberty". While this allowed the Polish nobility to elect a king, this ended up leading to much civil strife and civil wars in the land.

http://i.imgur.com/aKxYV.png

Red_Spy- Thank you, but I already changed the OP's map to a .png

In, and reserving the Horn of Africa. Not having time now.

Tsardom of Russia

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/asia/russia/flag/Flagbig.GIF

Claims:

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy84/NinjaCow64/YZdVF.png

(Sorry about the weird graphical stuff, paint decided to be annoying. :()

Type of Government and Economic System: Tsardom (Kingdom), aristocratic agricultural capitalism.
Capital: Moscow
Religion: Orthodox Russian Christianity
History: Russia had been under the dominion of the Golden Horde for many years and had only been freed from their tyranny five years ago. Ivan III formed a government which he promised would "unite Russia under one flag". However, he died just yesterday, unable to fulfil his promise. His son, now Tsar Nicholas LXIV, became the new Tsar. He has great plans for his country, great plans.


Strength: Proud, patriotic citizens.
Flaw: Large population causing famine and unrest.

FYI, you pasted the flag's URL into da spoiler.

FYI, you pasted the flag's URL into da spoiler.

Fixed, thank you.

Ugh... my... eyes... *remembers it was done with MS Paint* Nevermind.

My map is editable.

Russia you're a territory short.

It would be a great help to me if everyone could use Paint.NET or GIMP. They are far less inclined to have these graphical issues that Paint usually does. Personally, I prefer the former as I find it more user-friendly but the call is yours. Thanks.

Also, I updated the maps to include all nations thussofar. Please use that from now on, including for adding new nations. Thanks.

More info later.
http://i.imgur.com/LTsre.png

Holy Empire of Prussia


Any particular reason why Prussia doesn't own Prussia?

Some you seem to believe that you get to determine the impact of your strength/ benefit. No, you tell me what your strength/ benefit is and I will be giving you an appropriate trait as well as explaining what that does.

Holy Empire of Prussia

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1080/prussiaflag.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/prussiaflag.png/)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7480/iotlandhostartgermany.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/iotlandhostartgermany.png/)


Government: Plutocratic Empire
Economy: Mercantilism
Capital: Berlin
Religion: Catholic
History: Later
One Strength: Junker Leadership
One Flaw: Headstrong

Will have to finish later; I really have to go

Just one thing...

You don't, uhh, control Prussia...

Name - The Kingdom of Normandy
Flag - http://i.imgur.com/XvBeF.png
Type of Government - Feudal Monarchy
Economic System - Feudal System with a growing Merchant class
Capital - Rouen
Religion - Catholic
History - After the death of William the Conqueror, his elder son Robert II, inherited the Duchy of Normandy, while the other son, William Rufus, inherited England. Robert's descendants had felt betrayed, since England had been a far greater prize than Normandy. However, they bided their time, until 1356. Then, the Normans declared independence from France and reconquered England. Now, the Kings of Normandy control all of Normandy and most of England once again.
One Strength - Strong Leadership
One Flaw - Friction with the Church
Claims - http://i.imgur.com/1Hr9w.png

Kingdom of Jerusalem
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Flag_of_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem.svg/200px-Flag_of_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem.svg.png
Took the liberty of placing everyone on one map for context.
http://i.imgur.com/WHL12.png
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Economic/Social Background: Free Trade, Serfdom
Capital: Jerusalem
Religion: Catholicism
History: The Kingdom of Jerusalem's expansion into the state shown began when it was historically on the decline: during the Second Crusade. The Kingdom successfully took back Edessa and re-established the County of Edessa. Political power over the County and other Crusader-States eventually lead to the Kingdom having dominance in almost every aspect of the states. Success of the Second Crusade was a deciding factor when Jerusalem helped to defend Antioch and the capture of Damascus was avoided. The invasion of Egypt was a success, and as such the Kingdom successfully installed the Kingdom of Egypt and County of Sinai, similarly to the re-estabilshing of the County of Edessa. With all threats to the west eradicated, the Kingdom was able to focus on defending its northeastern border. Eventually, the political dominance over the Crusader-States lead to outright union of them. The Kingdom of Jerusalem now controlled the lands of the Kingdom of Egypt, the County of Sinai, the County of Tripoli, the County of Edessa, and the Kingdom of Antioch. from this union, the Kingdom only grew stronger and was able to successfully annex the rest of Syria and Jordan.
One Strength: Highly militarized society.
One Flaw While most of the domestic population is Catholic, the surrounding areas... well, aren't. In all directions of land, there are Muslims. They don't take kindly to the crusader-state, which is to say that citizens and military alike are unwelcome in the provinces not already under the Kingdom's control.

Just one thing...

You don't, uhh, control Prussia...

I'm sure there's an interesting backstory to this. I can think of some interesting NPC ideas.


Took the liberty of placing everyone on one map for context.
http://i.imgur.com/WHL12.png

Doin' God's work, son. :D

Saves me some trouble.

I'm gonna have my first update tonight. We already have a decent number of people signed up, and future joiners can take over NPC's anyways. The thing is, I am going abroad (to Peru) this Saturday. As such, at that time there will be a two week break, resuming as soon as I return. I would like to crank out several updates before that however, so expect this to be somewhat fast-paced.

To aid the speed I am making a Google Form for filling out orders. Should make things more efficient.

Everyone please try to get all roleplays, history, etc. filled out in the next four hours, which is when I plan on updating.

I'll try to get it up shortly.

Edit: annnnnnnnnd done.

King William IV would like everyone to know that the rest of England is claimed by Normandy, and Normandy will be the successor to the Frankish Empire, and so the rest of France will soon be ours.

Just know that Wales belongs to Celtia.
-High King Muireachadh Cathaoir

Edit: And I've updated my History, among other things (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11583495&postcount=8).

EDIT: Alright, it doesn't look like I will be able to do RP before the update. We can all pretend I have a reason for the current situation instead, or I can do a belated RP after the update. W/e.

But yes, there was a reason. In fact, it would make my life easier once I see who the NPC's are.

And I do plan on gaining Prussia's RL holdings. Poland, maybe I'll wait a while for that part ;)

In a nutshell: After HRE collapsed Junkers formed a plutonic aristocracy, eventually choosing an emperor. The emperor was bad, and so was overthrown and a new emperor was chosen. Then the old emperor rose in revolt. -->He was in Berlin, so de facto seat of power moved, explaining my updated first post.

EDIT 2: Oh, and since people are claiming crud in Europe...I claim Germany, of course! And Prussia! And the Holy Roman Empire! AND THE WORLD!!

But seriously. stay out of Germanic land.

EDIT 3: Its also cool to see that everyone here is fairly educated. Protestant revolution aint for a while yet!

EDIT 4: Oh, I updated my main post too. May want to take a look.

Okay, a question about the rules:

Where do we need to explore to claim Siberian/Eastern territories? Asia? Or can we just claim them anyway?

EDIT: Also, stay out of Russia. Or you will regret it.

Okay, a question about the rules:

Where do we need to explore to claim Siberian/Eastern territories? Asia? Or can we just claim them anyway?

EDIT: Also, stay out of Russia. Or you will regret it.

Just made this slight modification to the rules answering your question:

Alternatively, nations bordering the eastern edge of the Old World can colonize adjacent colonies that are not on the Old World map after paying a one time deposit of 25 EP.

Poland and the yellow country in the Horn of Africa- Sadly I must update. Not all your info is up to date yet; the most crucial missing part is the Strength/ Weakness info. Therefore you will not have one until you do add that info, but I will go ahead and update anyways. Should be out in a little while.

Strength and Flaw added.

Joining as my previous nation:

QUOTE=Omega124;10923961]Name: Kingdom of Denmark-Finland
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Flag_of_Denmark.svg/500px-Flag_of_Denmark.svg.png
Type of Government: Absulote Monarchy
Economic: The Usual
Capital: Copenhagen
Religion: Catholic
History: The failed Kalmar Union went even worse than it did historiclly, with both Norway and Sweden breaking off, of at least trying. Scania and lower Norway, however, still stayed with the Danish crown, who now befelled themselves at a momumental disavantange.

The first Dano-Swedish war, starting in 1470, however, took a different path. The initial Danish invasion was not repulsed, and the Nords from the south were able to make major pushes into the country. Stockholm, however, was out of their reach, and could not be taken. Instead, they turned their eyes onto Finland. While useless to them in the long run, capturing it would be a symbolic victory of dismantling Sweden, if they could not take it back completely. By 1474, Finland had been overan by the Danish, and by the Treaty of Brukenberg, Sweden was reconized as independent, but Finland would be handed over to them. With the conclusion of the war

One Strength: Kalmar Union: We have claims on the entire Nordic world.
One Flaw: Overextension: Demark is not prepared to take a hunk of ice, which it only rules by proxy.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=302988&d=1317237674

EDIT: See once province overlaps with Celtia. Just move to some unclaimed section in Southern Norway.

Italian League

http://i.imgur.com/Aymvz.png

Government: Mixed Feudalism-Republicanism
Economic System: Free Market Capitalism
Capital: Firenze
Religion: Roman Catholicism
History: During the collapse of the HRE, North Italian states banded together against the German Emperor, fighting for Italian representation within Europe. At the same time, Roman citizens revolted against the Papacy and declared Rome secular, confining the Papal States to the Vatican. The former Papal subjects united with the North Italian states, forming the Italian League as it is today.
Strength: Venetian Arsenal
Flaw: Factional Partisanship

http://i.imgur.com/FU8zK.png

Russia, we WILL get our ancestral lands back. The Teutonic Order shall rise again!!!

On that note, what exactly do you define as "Russia..."

Russia, we WILL get our ancestral lands back. The Teutonic Order shall rise again!!!

On that note, what exactly do you define as "Russia..."

This (the Red bits):

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy84/NinjaCow64/MySOI.png

Although we are happy to negotiate about the European bits.

I have not the time right now but I will post a reply with pics tomorrow. I can work with this.

Germany will not go past the city of Gdańsk, as the area known as Royal Prussia is Polish as decided in the Second Peace of Thorn.

Reserving Rome. I am the Pope.

Dawn of a New Age- 1485-1489

Mandatory Listening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9DKUEAKIQ&feature=related)

The past 500 years have been a time of great turbulence. In the New World, three empires of the Aztec, Tawantinsuyu, and Maya prospered, unaware of the conquerors that were about to set foot on their soil. Although the last of the three was a mere shadow of its former self, it still held considerable power. The Aztec and the Tawantinsuyu, on the other hand, were flourishing, expanding their empires across the breadth of the Americas. In North America, many tribes competed for hegemony, no single tribe achieving it. The nomadic Plains Indians feuded over hunting grounds for buffalo, while in the Mississippi River Valley small towns and cities were emerging. Disunited and blissfully unaware, they were dangerously unprepared for the coming onslaught.

In Western Europe, several dozen wars had left behind a few powerful kingdoms. In Spain, the successful offenses of the Moors at Cordova led to the dissolution and deaths of Castille and Leon. Aragon, however, survived; it brought Portugal into its fold by marriage and by the year 1200 it was the last bastion of Christianity in all Iberia.

In Gaul, the Hundred Years' War had left a broken France. The chaos allowed the secession of Brittany, but not without conflict. In the War of Breton Succession, an opportunistic Celtia ceased upon France's slow collapse and captured Brittany for itself.

In 1356, the Norman descendants of William the Conqueror broke off from a severely weakened France, invaded England, and captured that land William had left to his English sons. The Kingdom of Normandy now ruled both sides of the channel. The loss of such a great piece of its territory as well as its previous defeats in the War of Breton Succession and the Hundred Years' War left a shattered France that fell into civil war, resulting in the secession of both Burgundy and the Duchy of Aquitane.

In 1372, the Cordovans were at the height of their power; confident that it was only a matter of time before all Iberia was theirs, they sent a large force towards Aquitane. In desperation, the Duke of Aquitane begfed Aragon for help. Aragon consented. In the pivotal Second Battle of Tours, the forces of Aquitane and Aragon fought tooth and nail against the Moors. Finally, the Moors were broken, in their biggest defeat since they arrived in Iberia hundreds of years prior. Aragon and Aquitane united as one kingdom by marriage; to the present day, their efforts have pushed the Moors back significantly, but nonetheless the Moors remain a dominant force in Iberia.

German affairs, as always, were chaotic. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. The meteoric rise of Burgundy, Austria-Hungary, and Prussia to mighty kingdoms resulted in the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, as these three kingdoms broke off from the Empire and slowly gobbled away its many principalities, duchies, and fiefdoms. Taking advantage of this collapse,the kingdom of Milan-Savoy in the south and the Netherlands in the north broke off as well from the HRE.

Italy was controlled by three major powers. In the north was Milan-Savoy. Towards the east and the south was Venice, which had established a merchant empire controlling the Balearic Islands, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Naples, Illyria, Crete, Cyprus, and several other islands of the Eastern Mediterranean. Finally, the center of Italy was the domain of the Pope, the most powerful man in Western Europe.

In the Balkans and Turkey, the Roman Empire had been reduced to almost nothing and was in its death throes. But as the Ottoman Turks slowly conquered the Balkans, they were met by harsh resistance. An alliance of Free Balkan People emerged, a haphazard conglomeration of many ethnicities, that sought to stop northwards Ottoman conquest and eventually regain their historic homelands.

In Eastern Europe, Poland-Lithuania had split into Poland and Lithuania. Further north, the Hansa Trading League had formed a nation to protect their common trading interests around the Baltic Sea.

Meanwhile, in Russia, conflict had begun. The Golden Horde, the remnant of the old Mongol Empire, controlled the steppes of Russia. Five years ago, however, the Tsardom of Russia broke off. Distracted by its campaigns in Armenia and the Caucusus, the Horde had let the Russians slip for the time being. But it is inevitable that the Horde will once again try to bring Russia under its heel.

The Kalmar Union of Scandinavia collapsed during this time period, leaving a gaping power vacuum in Scandinavia. Capitalizing on this, the Hansa took territory in the south while Celtia conquered a large swathe in the north.

In the Middle East, Crusades had been successful- for the time being- leading to the establishment of the vast Kingdom of Jerusalem, stretching from the delta of the Nile to Anatolia.

However, stirring Muslim forces mean the future of Jerusalem is not so bright. In Arabia, a union of Hejaz and Yemen as the Caliphate of Hejaz-Yemen conquered most of the Arabian peninsula and Mesopotamia, pressing in on Jerusalem from the south and west.

In Egypt, the Mamluks are rallying once more against these Christian infidels, preparing to conquer back the holy land.

Further west, the Safavids of Iran prospered. To the north of Iran lay the expanding Uzbek Khanate, which now set its eyes southwards on Iran.

In the Indian subcontinent, the decaying Sultanate of Delhi, controlled by the Lodi Dynasty, held most of North India west to Afghanistan. Meanwhile, in the south, a new power was rising, the Vijayanagara Empire, that sought to expel the Muslim invaders from India.

In Africa, many states competed for dominance. Of particular noteworthiness, the Ghana Empire and the Mali empire had entered a tense standoff of intense economic competition, each wishing to expand their vast trading empire. Recently, reports of a mysterious nation in the Horn of Africa have filtered into Egypt. Little is known about it, but it has enticed some explorers to travel south. Along the east coast of Africa, the Swahili city states established vast trading networks across the Indian Ocean.

So here we find ourselves. The year is now 1489. Only time will tell what the future holds.

OOC: I have added some regions of 'Terra Incognita" to the map. They are black. You cannot travel into them, through them, or do anything with them. They represent harsh deserts, cold and treacherous mountain ranges, or thick jungles.


http://i.imgur.com/2ovRJ.png (http://imgur.com/2ovRJ)



Country # of Territories # of Trade Agreements # of Infra Misc. EP Total EP Power Weakness Armies Navies War?
Mali 30 0 1 0 31 Merchant Nation Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Celtia 40 0 1 0 41 Patriotic Intolerant 10 0 NO
Prussia 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Arrogant 10 0 NO
Cordova 30 0 1 0 34.65 Patrons Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Poland 30 0 1 0 27.9 Military Tradition Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Ethiopia 30 0 1 0 31 Patriotic Isolated 10 0 NO
Russia 33 0 1 0 34 Patriotic Overpopulated 10 0 NO
Normandy 32 0 1 0 33 Iron Leadership Heretical 10 0 NO
Jerusalem 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Isolated 10 0 NO
Ottoman Empire 37 0 1 0 38 Military Tradition Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Venice 28 0 1 0 29 Masters of the Sea Internal Discord

Plains Tribes 22 0 0 0 4.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Aztecs 8 0 0 0 8 Oppressed Subjects 10 0 NO
Maya 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Tawantinsuyu 15 0 0 0 15 Incan Road 10 0 NO
Mississippian People 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Korea 11 0 0 0 11 Fish Between Two Whales 10 0 NO
China 147 0 0 0 147 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Vijayanagara 23 0 0 0 23 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Delhi 27 0 0 0 27 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Hejaz-Yemen 19 0 0 0 19 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Iran 31 0 0 0 31 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Uzbek Khanate 17 0 0 0 17 The Horde 10 0 NO
Roman Empire 3 0 0 0 3 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Mamluks 38 0 0 0 38 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Berbers 47 0 0 0 9.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Ghana 16 0 0 0 16 Wealthy Beyond Measure 10 0 NO
HRE Remnants 42 0 0 0 42 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Burgundy 25 0 0 0 25 Lionhearted 10 0 NO
Netherlands 5 0 0 0 5 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Savoy-Milan 24 0 0 0 24 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Papacy 7 0 0 0 7 The Pope 10 0 NO
Aragon-Aquitane 37 0 0 0 37 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Austria-Hungary 55 0 0 0 55 Internal Discord 10 0 NO
Golden Horde 70 0 0 0 70 The Horde 10 0 NO
Free Balkan Alliance 25 0 0 0 25 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Hansa 35 0 0 0 35 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO
Lithuania 32 0 0 0 32 Military Tradition 10 0 NO
Swahili City States 8 0 0 0 8 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO


The Powers


Merchant Nation- 2 EP from each trade agreement (rather than 1)
Patriotic- When defending a starting province, automatic addition of a number of units equal to a quarter of the number of provinces owned rounded down.
Military Tradition- Land units are 3/4 price
Patrons- 1/4 extra EP per territory
Iron Leadership- All expeditions are reduced in cost by 20% rounded up
Masters of the Sea- Naval units are 3/4 price



The Weaknesses


Easily Seasick- All colonial projects cost 10% more, rounded up
Intolerant- Different religion provinces have an extra ten percentage points chance of rebelling
Arrogant- NPC's dislike you
Inefficient Governance- Automatic deduction of 10% of your income, rounded up
Isolated- Infra costs 10EP
Overpopulated- Rebellion can happen in home provinces too
Heretical- If a rebellion happens, there is a 40% chance any province next to the rebelling province joins (rather than 20%); greater susceptibility to revolts during religious random events (i.e., the Reformation)
Internal Discord- Chance of rebellion increased ten percentage points



The NPC Traits (aside from those in the lists above)


Tribal- Automatic income deduction of 80% except when at war with a country from another continent
Oppressed Subjects- The first time a country declares war on this NPC, that nation gets two armies for every province it conquers from the NPC
Incan Road- Infras are half price
Fish Between Two Whales- Infras net 2 EP's
Ageing Empire- Cannot build infras
Fiercely Independent- Cannot be annexed or made a protectorate
Zealotry- When battling nations of other religions, every two armies count as 3
The Horde- Every five turns, this nations receives one army per two territories it possesses free of charge
Wealthy Beyond Measure- Provinces yield 1.5 EP each (instead of just 1)
Lionhearted- In battle, every three armies or three navies counts as four armies or four navies (respectively)
The Pope- Can excommunicate rulers of Catholic nations, resulting in massive unrest in those countries; can call for Crusades against non-Catholic or excommunicated nations; other nations can bribe the Pope for favors

Can i claim Italy?

Italian League

http://i.imgur.com/Aymvz.png

Government: Mixed Feudalism-Republicanism
Economic System: Free Market Capitalism
Capital: Firenze
Religion: Roman Catholicism
History: During the collapse of the HRE, North Italian states banded together against the German Emperor, fighting for Italian representation within Europe. At the same time, Roman citizens revolted against the Papacy and declared Rome secular, confining the Papal States to the Vatican. The former Papal subjects united with the North Italian states, forming the Italian League as it is today.
Strength: Venetian Arsenal
Flaw: Factional Partisanship

http://i.imgur.com/FU8zK.png

Reserving Rome. I am the Pope.


It appears you two submitted while I drafting my post. You guys are free to take most NPC's. There are some exceptions though; the Pope is one of them.


Krzowwh it might make sense for you to take Venice. Christos, knowing you, you might want the Free Balkan Alliance.

Can i take the Green nation in Minor Asia and Greece and change its name and powers?

Are you serious? That's the Turks. Kinda messes up a number of things I have planned out so far.

Can i take the Turks?

Sure. Just do the usual write-up (name, flag, history, etc.)

One last question. Can i make them Orthodox? ( I have RP writen that says why the Turks became Orthodoxs)

Alright, fine, just make the RP good please. That's quite the modification.

To: Lithuania
From: Poland

While I know that our two nations have suffered greatly in terms of relations to each other before and after the end of the personal union, the Polish king would like you to know we want to repair those relations. We offer you a NAP and a defensive pact, to help fix those broken relations, and promote stability in Eastern Europe.

To: The Hansa
From: Poland

The Polish King is interested in purchasing back the land of Royal Prussia from you. With this, we promise to allow you and other nations access to free trade in the major cities of the region, thus protecting the trading interests you have in the region. If you are interested, we would like to know a price for the region.

Ottoman Empire

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g394/christos200/85px-Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Sultan_of_Egyptsvg.png

Type of Government and Economic System: Absolute Autocracy, Theocracy
Capital: Athens
Religion: Orthodox
History:

The Rise of an Empire:

The Ottoman Tribes invaded Minor Asia in the 13th Century A.D, under the leadership of Osman the Great. Those Muslims tribes came from Mongolia, near China. After raiding all of China, Persia and the Holy Land, they decided to settle at Minor Asia, in Western Asia. After many years of war against Latins and Romans, the Ottomans managed to create a Huge Empire. They were stopped, however, by a Balkan Alliance.

The Holy Orthodox Turkish Empire:

Sultan Mehmet II knew that if the Turks were Muslims and the Balkanians Orthodox, the Empire would never be united. The Balkanians were the majority of the people. Greek, Serbs, Romans. All of them were Orthodox. Some Sultans tried with violence to convert the Balkan People to Islam, but they failed. Mehmet II decided to do the opposite. To convert the Turks to Orthodoxy, in order to unite the Empire. Soon, thousands of Turks became Christians, in a mass conversion not seen since the conversion of Russians to Christianity.

One Strength: Military Tradition
One Flaw: Easily Seasick

Most Serene Grand United Republic of Venice

http://i.imgur.com/Aymvz.png

Government: Republic
Economic System: Free Market Capitalism
Capital: Venexia
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Strength: Venetian Arsenal
Flaw: Factional Partisanship

What is the Venetian arsenal?

Hello Venice. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Venetian_Wars)

What is the Venetian arsenal?
It provided larger and better armed navies.

Empire of Ethiopia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Flag_of_Ethiopia.svg
http://i.imgur.com/LTsre.png
Type of Government and Economic System: Centralist Empire and Feudalism
Leader: Na'od
Capital: Addis Ababa
Religion: Christianism
History: History of Ethiopia till 1489 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ethiopia)

One Strength: Patriotic- When defending a starting province, automatic addition of a number of units equal to a quarter of the number of provinces owned rounded down.
One Flaw: Isolated- Infra costs 10EP

Hello Venice. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Venetian_Wars)
Considering that Venice does not own any Aegean Islands, Albania, or Peloponnese, I don't see any reason for any of the first three Ottoman-Venetian Wars to occur, so I don't really understand what you are insinuating here.

Considering that Venice does not own any Aegean Islands, Albania, or Peloponnese, I don't see any reason for any of the first three Ottoman-Venetian Wars to occur, so I don't really understand what you are insinuating here.


coughCretecoughCypruscough.

Ottoman Empire

LNV2EEz_DUA

So how are we supposed to know which bonuses/flaws are ours? Just assign one depending on what we find closest to our idea? Or are you going to assign them once you update the stats? Oh and Patriotic sounds overpowered.

They're in the stats- I'll post those soon but I have to add the Orthodox Ottomans, Venice, Ethiopia and make a few other modifications.

Venice, you currently control every island in the Aegean actually. I should have made this clearer on the map, but I grouped all those little islands together (Crete and Cyprus are their own provinces however).

Venice, you currently control every island in the Aegean actually.

:trouble::trouble::trouble:

Stats up, reprinted here for your benefit:

Country # of Territories # of Trade Agreements # of Infra Misc. EP Total EP Power Weakness Armies Navies War?
Mali 30 0 1 0 31 Merchant Nation Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Celtia 30 0 1 0 31 Patriotic Intolerant 10 0 NO
Prussia 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Arrogant 10 0 NO
Cordova 30 0 1 0 34.65 Patrons Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Poland 30 0 1 0 27.9 Military Tradition Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Ethiopia 30 0 1 0 31 Patriotic Isolated 10 0 NO
Russia 30 0 1 0 31 Patriotic Overpopulated 10 0 NO
Normandy 30 0 1 0 31 Iron Leadership Heretical 10 0 NO
Jerusalem 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Isolated 10 0 NO
Ottoman Empire 37 0 1 0 38 Military Tradition Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Venice 28 0 1 0 29 Masters of the Sea Internal Discord

Plains Tribes 22 0 0 0 4.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Aztecs 8 0 0 0 8 Oppressed Subjects 10 0 NO
Maya 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Tawantinsuyu 15 0 0 0 15 Incan Road 10 0 NO
Mississippian People 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Korea 11 0 0 0 11 Fish Between Two Whales 10 0 NO
China 147 0 0 0 147 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Vijayanagara 23 0 0 0 23 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Delhi 27 0 0 0 27 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Hejaz-Yemen 19 0 0 0 19 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Iran 31 0 0 0 31 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Kazakh Horde 17 0 0 0 17 The Horde 10 0 NO
Roman Empire 3 0 0 0 3 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Mamluks 38 0 0 0 38 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Berbers 47 0 0 0 9.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Ghana 16 0 0 0 16 Wealthy Beyond Measure 10 0 NO
HRE Remnants 42 0 0 0 42 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Burgundy 25 0 0 0 25 Lionhearted 10 0 NO
Netherlands 5 0 0 0 5 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Savoy-Milan 24 0 0 0 24 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Papacy 7 0 0 0 7 The Pope 10 0 NO
Aragon-Aquitane 37 0 0 0 37 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Austria-Hungary 55 0 0 0 55 Internal Discord 10 0 NO
Golden Horde 70 0 0 0 70 The Horde 10 0 NO
Free Balkan Alliance 25 0 0 0 25 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Hansa 35 0 0 0 35 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO
Lithuania 32 0 0 0 32 Military Tradition 10 0 NO
Swahili City States 8 0 0 0 8 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO

OOC: According to the rules, we (the player nations) get extra territories depending on our location, history, starting RP, ect. I'd like to think my history is worth at least an extra territory or two.

Forgot, sorry. Will go readjust momentarily

Ok, fixed:


http://i.imgur.com/2ovRJ.png (http://imgur.com/2ovRJ)



Country # of Territories # of Trade Agreements # of Infra Misc. EP Total EP Power Weakness Armies Navies War?
Mali 30 0 1 0 31 Merchant Nation Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Celtia 40 0 1 0 41 Patriotic Intolerant 10 0 NO
Prussia 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Arrogant 10 0 NO
Cordova 30 0 1 0 34.65 Patrons Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Poland 30 0 1 0 27.9 Military Tradition Inefficient Governance 10 0 NO
Ethiopia 30 0 1 0 31 Patriotic Isolated 10 0 NO
Russia 33 0 1 0 34 Patriotic Overpopulated 10 0 NO
Normandy 32 0 1 0 33 Iron Leadership Heretical 10 0 NO
Jerusalem 30 0 1 0 31 Military Tradition Isolated 10 0 NO
Ottoman Empire 37 0 1 0 38 Military Tradition Easily Seasick 10 0 NO
Venice 28 0 1 0 29 Masters of the Sea Internal Discord

Plains Tribes 22 0 0 0 4.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Aztecs 8 0 0 0 8 Oppressed Subjects 10 0 NO
Maya 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Tawantinsuyu 15 0 0 0 15 Incan Road 10 0 NO
Mississippian People 10 0 0 0 2 Tribal 10 0 NO
Korea 11 0 0 0 11 Fish Between Two Whales 10 0 NO
China 147 0 0 0 147 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Vijayanagara 23 0 0 0 23 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Delhi 27 0 0 0 27 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Hejaz-Yemen 19 0 0 0 19 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Iran 31 0 0 0 31 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Uzbek Khanate 17 0 0 0 17 The Horde 10 0 NO
Roman Empire 3 0 0 0 3 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Mamluks 38 0 0 0 38 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Berbers 47 0 0 0 9.4 Tribal 10 0 NO
Ghana 16 0 0 0 16 Wealthy Beyond Measure 10 0 NO
HRE Remnants 42 0 0 0 42 Aging Empire 10 0 NO
Burgundy 25 0 0 0 25 Lionhearted 10 0 NO
Netherlands 5 0 0 0 5 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Savoy-Milan 24 0 0 0 24 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Papacy 7 0 0 0 7 The Pope 10 0 NO
Aragon-Aquitane 37 0 0 0 37 Zealotry 10 0 NO
Austria-Hungary 55 0 0 0 55 Internal Discord 10 0 NO
Golden Horde 70 0 0 0 70 The Horde 10 0 NO
Free Balkan Alliance 25 0 0 0 25 Fiercely Independent 10 0 NO
Hansa 35 0 0 0 35 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO
Lithuania 32 0 0 0 32 Military Tradition 10 0 NO
Swahili City States 8 0 0 0 8 Merchant Nation 10 0 NO

Can we only claim immediate adjacent territories, or can we claim chains?

Does expansion into Georgia from the Mediterranean require navies?

Also, Isolated is more of a buff than a weakness if the rules are correct in that infra is 20.

You can claim in chains.

Depends. If you're not adjacent to it, yes. And you would need passage through the Bosporus allowed to you.

Alright.

Also, Isolated is more of a buff than a weakness if the rules are correct in that infra is 20.

Alright.

Also, Isolated is more of a buff than a weakness if the rules are correct in that infra is 20.

That's odd- I thought I had priced the regular at 5. Ok, scratch that, Isolated means infra costs 40 EP.

The Caliph of Cordova would like to share the prosperity of his empire with rulers of the Ottoman and Malian Empires.

In addition, he has declared the construction of 20 workshops throughout the empire to boost our country's economy. Finally, a levy of 10000 soldiers has been raised to defend the Caliphate in the event of a second Faranji attack.




Propose a trade agreement with Mali and the Ottomans
20 IC to Infrastructure
10 IC to Armies

For the love of Christ, didja have to give him Prussia?? :(

The Caliph of Cordova would like to share the prosperity of his empire with rulers of the Ottoman and Malian Empires.


We accept.

That's odd- I thought I had priced the regular at 5. Ok, scratch that, Isolated means infra costs 40 EP.

I hope you realize nobody's gonna pay 20 nor 40 for infra that gives you 1 apiece. :lol:

I'd do regular 5 and isolated 10.

The Kingdom of Normandy
30 EP

4 EP - 4 Navies
16 EP - American Expedition (Iron Leadership reduces it by 20%)
10 EP - 10 Armies

I hope you realize nobody's gonna pay 20 nor 40 for infra that gives you 1 apiece. :lol:

I'd do regular 5 and isolated 10.

New Infra rules:

Cost 3 a piece, 10 if you're Isolated

Have returns of 2 per turn


Some of you might wanna change orders


The Kingdom of Normandy
30 EP

20 EP - Annex the Netherlands
10 EP - 10 Armies

Can't. The Netherlands are Fiercely Independent.

Aragon-Aquitane

That's not how you spell Andorra.

Change my orders:

10 into infra.
10 into armies

The rest income spend as i posted in the PM. Also the operation is still on.

OOC: If you client the Pope, are you immune from excommunication?

21 EPs to Establish a Celtic Protectorate over the Papacy
9 EPs into Infrastructure
3 EPs to Colonizing 3 Random British Islands
4 EPs into Armies
4 EPs into Navies

Official Report on the State of Domestic and Foreign Affairs of Prussia,
Year of our LORD 1485

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1080/prussiaflag.png

Order I.
The following letter has been delivered to the Embassy of Poland for their consideration by our fine Emperor:
Eastern Neighbors,
Your strength of arms matches our own, and this could prove quite disastrous should we argue over who exactly owns my nation's ancestral homeland. However, the state of affairs in that region is too muddled at the moment for our interests to be sufficiently piqued, and as such our interests lie in regaining our capital from the treacherous revolting Emperor of the South of my nation. As such, we do not contest your right to tax and enlist our people in that region, if you so see fit. If not, we are confident that the mercantile Danes shall see our people well, as they would not like to lose customers, I am sure. As for the Russians, we are sure you shall come to an agreement with them, just as we have no current issues.
Kaiser Frederick II Hohenzollern

Order II.
The following letter has been delivered to the Embassy of Burgandy for their consideration by His Majesty:
Western Neighbors,
Our two nations have never been on good terms. Truly, my people can be quite stubborn. However, I implore you to look past the differences we have had in the past, and encourage you to take part in our future missives in dealing with the rebellious Emperor to our south. Indeed, logic shall perhaps be shown to be the best pickle of all- as we intend to take what is rightfully ours from that twisted cretin, there is the possibility of a victory for the both of us. If you declare war on the fragments of the Holy Roman Empire, we shall have less difficulty in overcoming their superior numbers with our superior training, while you shall gain vast tracts of land for the price of killing disoriented and despair-ridden soldiers forced to fight for their poor dictator. The details are outlined in the attached map. We hope you consider our offer.
Kaiser Frederick II Hohenzollern

Order III.
The following letter was sent to the Southern Traitor by the Kaiser:
You twisted cretin, you lecherous leper. The time has come for your rule of terror over rightfully Prussian lands to end. We declare war on your pitiful holdings, and are determined to not back down until all Germany is under our righteous protection. Fear your borders; your neighbors may not be as friendly as they may seem.
Kaiser Frederick II Hohenzollern

Offer Wartime Alliance to Burgandy
Declare War on Fragmented HRE, invade provinces on Map B
Construct 31 armies, for the war effort
EDIT: Forgot my bonus :P 30/.75 is 40, giving me a total of 50 armies.
We also claim the Blue province on the maps near Pomerania in the north, as it seems to be open, with my final EP.


Map A: Attached to the Burgundy Letter
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6413/iotlandhodivisionburgan.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/iotlandhodivisionburgan.png/)
Attached note:
Light Orange are Burgundy Gains, Grey are Prussian gains. As the land is all rightfully ours and we shall contribute a larger portion of the force, it is only right that we receive more land. Remember, if you spurn us, it would be simple to ask one of your neighbors; this is prime land.

Map B: Wartime plans
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8632/iotlandhowarplans1w.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/iotlandhowarplans1w.png/)
Invade each red spot with 17 armies (the northern western one with 16 since it doesn't add up otherwise). Hopefully, Burgundy's invasion shall give us each a wide margin of superior numbers. They can see the logic of that, no? They are free to invade any light-orange province on our invasion maps.

***

OOC: Red is also OOC. For future reference. So is anything below three stars, as above.

3 into claiming
1 navy
The rest into Armies


To the Roman Empire:
Would you be so kind as to let the Kingdom go through the Bosporus?

http://i.imgur.com/D41DY.png

That's not how you spell Andorra.

:lol:

OOC: If you client the Pope, are you immune from excommunication?

21 EPs to Establish a Celtic Protectorate over the Papacy
9 EPs into Infrastructure
3 EPs to Colonizing 3 Random British Islands
4 EPs into Armies
4 EPs into Navies

Making the Pope your vassal makes you Papal Controller. You can excommunicate, call for Crusades, and do everything the Pope can do. You will not be excommunicated while you control him. However unlike normal Protectorates yours can be taken away if someone else buys the Pope as their own vassal.

In the event that multiple nations want to buy the Pope there will be an auction.

3 into claiming
The rest into Armies


*snip*

Er... you need navies and need to request passage through the straight from the Roman Empire.

Secret History of the Ottomans:

Creation of the Imperial Army and Navy:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g394/christos200/Ottoman1.jpg

Year of the God 1485. Sultan Mehmet II, the one who converted the Turks to Christianity and made the Ottoman state from a small tribal kingdom to an Empire, decided to create an Imperial Army and an Imperial Navy.

Until then, the Ottomans used Nomadic Armies. The Ottomans lived for many years in Mongolia, before they left for the west after the Mongol Invasions, and they had the same Nomadic armies as the Mongols. Those Nomadic Armies were very good at their job.

When the Ottomans left Mongolia, they raided all of China. Beijing was taken and was being looted and sacked for 6 days. The Chinese lived once again the nightmare of the Nomadic Armies. They thought that Gengis had came back from Death.

Soon the Ottomans moved and raided all of Iran and the Holy Land. In the end, under the leadership of Osman, they settled in Minor Asia.

When the Ottomans were Nomads, their Mongol like army was very effective. But when they settled down and became a Kingdom, this army couldnt work. The Ottoman Kings took over a lot of land with the Nomadic Army, but in 1453 this Nomadic Army was crushed by the Romans.

So Mehmet II decided to disband the Nomadic Army and create a Professional Imperial Army. The new Imperial Army was based on the 9th Century Roman Imperial Army, but it had better technology of course.

This new army could be used for many operation, it was well trained, it had discipline and could fight even in Winter.

However Mehmet II knew that the Ottoman Kingdom could never become an Empire without a Imperial Navy. Venice had the control of the Agean sea, and the Ottomans needed a navy to protect the Empire.

So, for the first time in the Ottoman History, a Navy was created. Sultan Mehmet II ordered a Greek named Theodoros to create this navy. Theodoros in a few years managed to create a huge navy.

The new Imperial Army and Navy could now move to glorify the Empire.

Most Serene Grand United Republic of Venice

20 into navies
Rest into expanding into remaining Mediterranean islands
Any more left into more navies


OOC: I think that, with all the islands, Venice has more than 28 territories.

OOC: Alright, there were a lot of edits to that above post for Prussia, but I'm fairly confident that it is complete.

I will do RP later about the war/war prep. When should we expect the update? I don't want to lose the opportunity, as I did before.

EDIT: reading the new posts.... Hey, Tyo, when did you get so hot all of a sudden? :P
But really, can I get an official Papal sanction against Fragmented HRE?

Oh, saw that Venice deal. Sure thing. And to the trade agreement. However, we warn that if our war effort doesn't go as planned, we may have to back out. Of course, you could always help us and give us provinces occupied for us... :P

Most Serene Grand United Republic of Venice

20 into navies
Rest into expanding into remaining Mediterranean islands
Any more left into more navies
Venice offers Defensive Pacts to Milan-Savoy, Prussia, Burgundy, and the Netherlands, for the preservation of our independence against the Empire as well as heathens.
Venice offers trade agreements to all Christian nations as well as Cordova


OOC: I think that, with all the islands, Venice has more than 28 territories.

Kindly put all diplomatic actions in the proper embassy in the social group.

No, all those islands count together as one territory, save the major islands (Crete, Cyprus) which are their own.

OOC: Alright, there were a lot of edits to that above post for Prussia, but I'm fairly confident that it is complete.

I will do RP later about the war/war prep. When should we expect the update? I don't want to lose the opportunity, as I did before.

In approximately 24-36 hours.

Er... you need navies and need to request passage through the straight from the Roman Empire.

I thought you said you can claim in chains?

I thought you said you can claim in chains?

I thought you mean in chans where at least one territory was adjacent or accessible by water. Not just random provinces anywhere.

*snip*

My apologies. Is it ok for this turn if I leave that there? I will make sure to stick to embassies in the future. I will also post pertinent info there. EDIT: Oh, but also not everyone has an embassy.

Also, 24-36. Very good. I shall write about recruitment, training, border skirmishes, friendly interaction with Burgundy diplomats (have to do all I can to overcome the negative bonus, although I am sure logic is by far enough. If it were a real player, Burgundy would most likely say yes to the deal.)

It's fine for now. Just, in the future.
****OC*****


My Dearest Kaiser,

It is my pleasure to inform you that I accept your magnanimous offer. I hope this will mark the beginning of a long period of peace and prosperity between our two nations.

Sincerely,
His Royal Majesty the Duke of Burgundy, Maximilian I

My Dearest Kaiser,

It is my pleasure to inform you that i accept your magnanimous offer. I hope this will mark the beginning of a long period of peace and prosperity between our two nations.

Sincerely,
His Royal Majesty the Duke of Burgundy, Maximilian I

[/i]

OOC: Yaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Royal Majesty Maximilian I, Duke of Burgandy and Prince of Western Germany,
As you may see, I already provide you the title you shall gain from our joint effort. I cannot express my joy at our future endeavors together. May our forces never collide as enemies, but rather march as one.
Kaiser Frederick II Hohenzollern

A few quick questions: Firstly, are we allowed to bank EPs? If not, are we allowed to take multiple turns for investing (i.e investing half into an exploration project one turn and half on the next)?

Yes, you can bank; no you cannot invest and save however. It's a one time thing.

Okay then.

All EPs into expansion into the Lavender coloured provinces:

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To: The Orange (The Golden Horde I think), Green and Yellow Nations that will soon border Russia

We would like to propose a NAP to all of you. Although some of us have been enemies in the past, we do not wish to wage war. We would like a unified Russia one day in the future, however, we would rather achieve this via peace rather than war.

(OCC: I'll post some in depth Roleplay this afternoon.)

OOC: I'm pretty sure you can only claim 3 provinces/turn at game start.

Okay then.

All EPs into expansion into the Lavender coloured provinces:

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy84/NinjaCow64/LandHoI.png

To: The Orange (The Golden Horde I think), Green and Yellow Nations that will soon border Russia

We would like to propose a NAP to all of you. Although some of us have been enemies in the past, we do not wish to wage war. We would like a unified Russia one day in the future, however, we would rather achieve this via peace rather than war.

(OCC: I'll post some in depth Roleplay this afternoon.)

OOC: Prussia accepts your NAP and would like to say that, based on your previous map of the borders of Russia, we still would very much like our ancestral home (the area that was conquered by Teutonic Knights) which is directly south of your westernmost border; however, diplomacy and situation has shown that this is very far from likely, and so we retract for now all offers for that region until further notice. We just would like you, if you have the opportunity, to expand elsewhere than that region which is currently under Danish control (and that green nation whose name I cannot discern).

OOC: Prussia accepts your NAP and would like to say that, based on your previous map of the borders of Russia, we still would very much like our ancestral home (the area that was conquered by Teutonic Knights) which is directly south of your westernmost border; however, diplomacy and situation has shown that this is very far from likely, and so we retract for now all offers for that region until further notice. We just would like you, if you have the opportunity, to expand elsewhere than that region which is currently under Danish control (and that green nation whose name I cannot discern).

Wait, but aren't you the grey nation? I didn't even offer you a NAP! But we will take it nevertheless. I will gladly stop all plans I had for offering the green nation a protectorate as we see that this would interfere with your claims. And we will stop our Eastern European claims as well. However, we must insist that you don't try and protectorate/annex/conquer the orange nation.

I'll post an updated claims map. LATER.

I thought you mean in chans where at least one territory was adjacent or accessible by water. Not just random provinces anywhere.

By chain I meant as long as they're contiguous with the previous claim. Not really random.

But alright, I'll edit the order.

EDIT: reading the new posts.... Hey, Tyo, when did you get so hot all of a sudden? :P


Not quite sure what you mean.

le double post. oops.

Wait, but aren't you the grey nation? I didn't even offer you a NAP! But we will take it nevertheless. I will gladly stop all plans I had for offering the green nation a protectorate as we see that this would interfere with your claims. And we will stop our Eastern European claims as well. However, we must insist that you don't try and protectorate/annex/conquer the orange nation.

I'll post an updated claims map. LATER.

I misread your post about NAP's, taking it to mean you offered them to all people. That's what I get for skimming, I guess. But yeah, I'm still for it. And OK.



Not quite sure what you mean.

Whups, that was for K-A. I seem to be messing up stuff lately! I meant it for whoever controlled the Pope :goodjob:

New orders:

The Kingdom of Normandy
30 EP


4 EP - 4 Navies
16 EP - American Expedition (Iron Leadership reduces it by 20%)
10 EP - 10 Armies


In addition, the Kingdom of Normandy and Greater Celtia have agreed to return several English provinces to their rightful owners in exchange for the Welsh provinces.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/Thalein/TradeI.png

Okay then.

All EPs into expansion into the Lavender coloured provinces:


This:

OOC: I'm pretty sure you can only claim 3 provinces/turn at game start.


*****IC*****

A Berber by the name of Ibn Battuta, a man who claims to have traveled far and wide, has published a new atlas of his travels that is taking Europe by storm. Any intellectual and noble worth his salt has a copy.


http://i.imgur.com/9ALmQ.png (http://imgur.com/9ALmQ)



http://i.imgur.com/12PRo.png (http://imgur.com/12PRo)



http://i.imgur.com/xkQ41.png (http://imgur.com/xkQ41)




OOC: This should clear some confusion up as to the identity of certain nations

Can I be Aragon-Aquitane?

Certainly. Just do the usual write-up and put in your orders immediately please.

Can I be Aragon-Aquitane?

OOC: As a player, I have no issue with this. Just my two cents.

Name Holy Empire of Aragon-Aquitane
Flag http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=323845&stc=1&d=1340232003
Type of Government and Economic System Absolute Monarchy, Free Market
Capital Zaragoza
Religion Roman Catholic
History When Europe collapsed, Aragon rose again. It soon expanded north after meeting with Corboda at the border.
One Strength iron imperial control
One Flaw influential noble class

American Expedition
Spend half of the remainder on armies, half on navies

ARRRR!!! KILL THAT FLAG WITH FIRE!!! /hey, this is just me, do what you feel. :)

To the Roman Empire:
Would you be so kind as to let the Kingdom go through the Bosporus?


Just put this in orders.

Venice asks Cordova whether the Straits of Gibraltars are made open.

From the Roman Empire:

Whosoever protects us from the Turks gets passage. This means please make us your protectorate, or, if you can't afford that, ally with us.

OOC: Well I don't think I can make the former Empire my protectorate due to their trait, but...

IC: ...We will operate in a defensive alliance with them. If the Turks are spotted coming towards Roman soil, Jerusalem will be sure to act accordingly against the Turks immediately.

We also offer an alliance with the Balkan nation.

OOC: Oh crap I forgot. Then DP.

IC: We Romans thank you.

And the Balkan Nation accepts.

OOC: I prefer diplomatic actions with NPC's in the embassy.

From the diary of Ansgar Waechter, Captain of the Kaiserwache:

January 1, 1486

The whisperings have gained strength in these halls these past months. The air of war once again fills my lungs, and the smell of battle nearly tickles my nose. First, the whisperings were the usual type of darkness and hidden potential and treasonous pondering. As one of the select few to progress beyond this, talk of war with the Traitor gained support from a third Adlige in the court. Then a fourth, then a fifth. Soon a document was drafted, and the whisperings reached a fever pitch. It is astounding how often men of power, even Junkers, can see guards as wall ornaments. Even royal guards such as ourselves! Do they truly believe conversations in 'deserted' halls do not reach my ears?

The Kaiser accepted their proposal today, finally. After several draftings and several dozen arguments and threats, war was declared against the Traitor. I have doubled the weekly training routine of my men, and have begun officer training in my rather generous lodgings within the Castle. We march in five months.

January 2, 1486

Conrad Schierholtz, one of my officers-in-training, is showing exceptional skill with tactics. I shall advance him early to soldier interaction, while maintaining a rigorous course-load. I may propose to the Kaiser an especially grand promotion.

January 3, 1486

Wurfel has been removed from my program. He is a poor excuse of a man. Sadly, he some Junker's second cousin, and so I must offer him the "grander" position of Royal Guard. He shall derive delight, I am sure, from guarding the Royal Latrines.

At this point, several dozen pages seem to have been ripped from his journal. Although there is no trace of them left, the name Katrina could be discerned from marks left by the pressure of his pen on the following, un-torn page. This historian has chosen to leave that story in the past (the gold of a mysteriously disgraced Junker has helped assure that, rest assured).

June 21, 1486

It is the summer solstice, and has been chosen as the first day we march. Troops have been assembled in Westphalia, Kalenberg and Ansbach, somewhere in the countrysides. I travel with the Kaiser, and we are currently in Köln with several generals and the majority of the Kaiserwache. To my great pleasure, one of these generals is Schierholtz, who I somehow managed to have raised to a rank equal to my own. For the moment, at least. If he performs as well as he can, he may become a true Adlige and not simply a landed man like myself. I could certainly use the influence of a new Junker in the court.

As soon as the plans are finalized and agreed upon, we march. We plan to attack on three fronts: One entering rebel territory from Westphalia, our current position, by marching West until we meet Burgundy. A second army shall do the same farther south, pushing the line into Baden from Ansbach. A third and final army shall march from Kalenberg into Brandenberg, first to mop up encircled rebellious towns and then march to Berlin. It shall be a good day.

June 21, 1486

It seems I shall have to make a second entry, for this is news worth mentioning. It seems the Kaiser made a secret agreement with the Burgundians, promising them German land in order to gain their support in the war effort. Although I, like any true German man, do not relish the thought of foreigners occupying ancestral soil, the Burgundians are similar enough that it may be tolerated. Their dozens of divisions shall be no small return, either. Together, we may quickly crush the treacherous threat of the south once and for all, completely and forever. Some generals disapproved, but Schierholtz argued that if it would help Prussia regain much of the Vaterland.

I shall continue my mission to record all sources on the subject of the "Prussian Civil War" as foreigners call it at a later time.

When we begin to explore the New World, will everyone be able to see our new territories or just us? As in, would Mali for example know where the Norman colonies were?

When we begin to explore the New World, will everyone be able to see our new territories or just us? As in, would Mali for example know where the Norman colonies were?

I will post the maps publicly.

Prussia nice RP

When we begin to explore the New World, will everyone be able to see our new territories or just us? As in, would Mali for example know where the Norman colonies were?

I quite like the idea of trading maps.

But I am sure the word would spread, would it not? It is impossible to keep such a large secret for long. However, things change with each telling; perhaps when the Americas are discovered the publicly released map can have mis-located foreign nations while the adventurer is sent the real map?

Then again, we shall most likely have to explore province by province, no? It's not as if Columbus set foot in Bahamas and suddenly had a map of all North and South America!

EDIT: ninja'd

The map everyone will see will expand slowly, depending on where you place your colonies. So first it will just be the eastern fringes, and then some more, and then eventually everything.

People with actual colonies will see more sooner than those without or with fewer, less extensive colonies.

Same for the other continents.

Also when you first explore a given continent I will randomly decide what small portion of the map to show you. This will expand with time.

ARRRR!!! KILL THAT FLAG WITH FIRE!!! /hey, this is just me, do what you feel. :)
Did I aggravate the lil Spaniard? Aww... :p :king:

That flag...it...it has a photograph on it. :gripe:

....

:wallbash:

:)

Царизм в России
(Tsardom of Russia)

Московская Звезда газета
(Moscow Star Newspaper)

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy84/NinjaCow64/LandHoI-1.png

Negotiations with the Golden Horde are Continuing

Relations have been tense between the Golden Horde and Russia. However, our young king of 21 years of age, is negotiating a formal peace treaty and a non-aggression pact with the Golden Horde's Khan. He has also requested non-aggression pacts with two other neighbouring countries. Some are worried that he will back down on his promise to defend Russia, but he has denied that he has back flipped. In a formal press conference today, he stated that "Russia's sovereignty will be recognized and defended. However, this bloodshed must stop. This diplomatic agreement will ensure the safety of all Russians, to the farmers in the fields to the soldiers on the front line."

Revised Orders:

Use 3 EPs to expand
Bank the Rest
Expand into the lavender provinces

OCC: Future news reports will hopefully be longer.

We will operate in a defensive alliance with them. If the Turks are spotted coming towards Roman soil, Jerusalem will be sure to act accordingly against the Turks immediately.

One question. Do you want to die? You have 30 provinces and the Ottomans have 38. And we have Military tradition trait. And we have allies in the Middle East. I think that many Muslim Nations will want to retake the Holy City. And we shall give them our armies.

Царизм в России
(Tsardom of Russia)

Московская Звезда газета
(Moscow Star Newspaper)

Breaking News! The Golden Horde Refuses Peace!

The horse of our chief diplomat to the Golden Horde returned just hours ago. The diplomat did not return. Inside a package tied to the horse, was the head of the diplomat and a note. It read in badly written Russian:

[QUOTEWe find your offer laughable. You are a bunch of upstart rebels that will be put down promptly.[/QUOTE]

This can only be assumed as an act of war. Tsar Nicholas LXIV has declared a national state of emergency. In another press conference he stated:

I am disgusted at the Khan's refusal to our proposal. These bloodthirsty barbarians will not stop until every European city is burnt to the ground. We call upon all peace loving nations, help us stop these madmen before it is too late!

The Russian military has been mobilised, it is official: To save our country, we must go to war.

Revised Orders:

Expand as before
Use all other EPs to produce soldiers
Attack as many Golden Horde provinces as possible.

One question. Do you want to die? You have 30 provinces and the Ottomans have 38. And we have Military tradition trait. And we have allies in the Middle East. I think that many Muslim Nations will want to retake the Holy City. And we shall give them our armies.

Because 8 more provinces makes THAT much of a difference. We also have that trait. According to your Embassy you have no allies to speak of. They might.

But you're forgetting that you've been threatening a lot of nations (again). I wouldn't be surprised if Venice tries to help. I'm allied with the Balkan states. The Roman Empire may be small but they add into the help. You're surrounded.

Also, the Muslims have rather zealot-like governments. What makes you think they'd want to help a second Byzantine Empire, which is basically what you are what with the Greek-lead Orthodox government? They hate you as much as they hate us.

edit: Well they accepted fast. Either way, I take this:
The Crusaders dare to occupy the Holy Land!! They occupy Jerusalem. Remember how many Muslims are dead because of the Crusades. In the name of Allah, i offer you a Military Alliance. We will help you take over Jerusalem. We both hate the Latins. The Latins killed many Orthodox people and killed all Muslims in the Holy Land. So, in the name of Allah and Jesus Christ, let us unite to destroy the Latins. Any land taken over by the Ottoman Army will be given to the Muslim Nations. We wont keep any of the land. It is yours as long, as you commit yourself to this Holy War.

As a declaration of war?

Because 8 more provinces makes THAT much of a difference. We also have that trait. According to your Embassy you have no allies to speak of. They might.

But you're forgetting that you've been threatening a lot of nations (again). I wouldn't be surprised if Venice tries to help. I'm allied with the Balkan states. The Roman Empire may be small but they add into the help. You're surrounded.

Also, the Muslims have rather zealot-like governments. What makes you think they'd want to help a second Byzantine Empire, which is basically what you are what with the Greek-lead Orthodox government? They hate you as much as they hate us.

The Mamulks (ooc: is that spelled right?) have already agreed. And if you back off and sign a DP with the Ottomans, we will make sure that you will have free passage from the straits.

Mamluks.

And while you have their help, you're still surrounded. I'll be fighting a two front war while you will be fighting on about 3, perhaps 4 fronts.

I have Russia as an ally.

Oh yes, I'm terrified of an opponent hundreds of miles away who has no way of reaching me and in fact has a whole country to fight in between.

If you want war, you will have it.

...You're the one declaring war here. :p

So Linkman, as far as attacking goes, one territory deep per turn or can you capture as many territories as you have armies?

Mansa Mahmud III had just gotten back from the meeting with the outsiders. He felt that the meeting had gone well, as the albinos had agreed to buy copper and gold from the empire. In return they had offered to provide the empire with weapons made of a strong, yet light material. They called it steel. These weapons would be of great benefit to the emperors’ continued expansion of the empire into new and dangerous lands.

They had also asked about the possibility of buying any prisoners that the empire held from its many small border conflicts with the tribes of the interior. As these prisoners were still of use to the emperor, he did not agree to sell them, but the offer was quite intriguing. No, these prisoners were capable of good hard labor, and were also a lucrative source of ransom payments from their home tribes.

The frequency with which the albinos were appearing on the coast seemed to be increasing. Only ten to twenty years ago, it was an event that almost never happened. These days it seemed that every couple of months a ship would appear in search of fresh water and other food for re-supply. It was only recently that ships started arriving expressly for the purposes of trading with the empire.

Among other things, the empire had copper, gold and salt in large quantities that they could trade with these outsiders. The empire also had extensive networks with the interior. Tribes from dark and unexplored regions of the continent frequently brought such things as ivory and rhinoceros horns into the empire in exchange for salt.

The Emperor was pleased that the albino outsiders were interested not only in the gold and copper that he had to offer, but also these more exotic treasures. He sensed that he could increase the wealth and standing of the empire by selling these things to the foreigners.

OOC: Can I call for crusades now, or do I have to wait until next turn?

OOC: The Balearic Islands should be mine.

Two questions:

- Are armies purchased this turn able to be used immediately, or do they not become available until next turn?

- Can you bank EP?

Two questions:

- Are armies purchased this turn able to be used immediately, or do they not become available until next turn?

- Can you bank EP?

I would expect that we can attack the turn we get them. A turn is after all 5 years or so.

And if my memory is correct CP cannot be invested over several turns, which would imply no banking, yes?

last game armies were not available same turn, which is why I ask. ;)

Okay then.
[QUOTE=Kinich-Ahau;11589919]OOC: Can I call for crusades now, or do I have to wait until next turn?

Now.

OOC: The Balearic Islands should be mine.

Hmm? Must have missed it somehow. I'll fix that.

Venice you will be compensated with another province.

Two questions:

- Are armies purchased this turn able to be used immediately, or do they not become available until next turn?

- Can you bank EP?

Yes and yes

Expect an update within the next twelve hours. Hurry to get in all your RP's, orders, etc.

So Linkman, as far as attacking goes, one territory deep per turn or can you capture as many territories as you have armies?

bumping this question.

The Pope has called for a Crusade against the Infidel Mamluks, in Defense of the Holy City of Jerusalem

Poland
21 on Infrastructure
Rest into Armies

The Pope has called for a Crusade against the Infidel Mamluks, in Defense of the Holy City of Jerusalem


The Ottoman Empire protests.

The Ottoman Empire protests.

The Prussians point out that you are Christian. Do you find yourself lying each night with the Devil Mohammad, as your heart for the Mamluks seems to suggest? Should a crusade be called against you and your heretics, heathens even?

Indeed, Jerusalem has evidence that the Turks are just "orthodox" as just a front to control the christian people of their land.

From the Ottoman Empire
To all Muslim Nations:

The Crusaders dare to occupy the Holy Land!! They occupy Jerusalem. Remember how many Muslims are dead because of the Crusades. In the name of Allah, i offer you a Military Alliance. We will help you take over Jerusalem. We both hate the Latins. The Latins killed many Orthodox people and killed all Muslims in the Holy Land. So, in the name of Allah and Jesus Christ, let us unite to destroy the Latins. Any land taken over by the Ottoman Army will be given to the Muslim Nations. We wont keep any of the land. It is yours as long, as you commit yourself to this Holy War.

The Prussians point out that you are Christian. Do you find yourself lying each night with the Devil Mohammad, as your heart for the Mamluks seems to suggest? Should a crusade be called against you and your heretics, heathens even?

Look, other thing is religion and other thing are politics. We dont care about the religion of our allies. We care about their politics.

The Prussians point out that you are Christian. Do you find yourself lying each night with the Devil Mohammad, as your heart for the Mamluks seems to suggest? Should a crusade be called against you and your heretics, heathens even?

The Mali Empire – while striving to remain neutral in the current, pending conflict – can’t help but notice the heated rhetoric coming from some corners. We request that you take your grievances up with those who aggrieve you and not look to widen a conflict that is already misguided at best.

The Mali Empire – while striving to remain neutral in the current, pending conflict – can’t help but notice the heated rhetoric coming from some corners. We request that you take your grievances up with those who aggrieve you and not look to widen a conflict that is already misguided at best.

OOC: Too much? meh. And how are you even getting word of this through the Sahara?

Oh, and Im definitely not taking part in this motherlode.

Why cant Musliam, Orthodox and Catholics live in peace?

We should make politics, not religious wars.

Why cant Musliam, Orthodox and Catholics live in peace?

We should make politics, not religious wars.

Then don't destroy the Romans. I am the successor of the Emperor of the West, and you seek to destroy my counterpart. I do not suggest you do so.

OOC: Too much? meh. And how are you even getting word of this through the Sahara?

Oh, and Im definitely not taking part in this motherlode.

OOC: I have dhows that travel up and down the coast of Africa, the Med and even so far as your lands. We are traders and it behooves us to have an ear to the ground - it helps us to see trade opportunities. Speaking of opportunities, you have a request from an emissary from Mali in your embassy. ;)

Then don't destroy the Romans. I am the successor of the Emperor of the West, and you seek to destroy my counterpart. I do not suggest you do so.

I dont want to destroy him. I dont want the Crusaders to expand in Minor Asia!!

OOC: Checked my embassy. Thanks, done and done.

Why does everyone always pick on Christos? Did he do something a long time ago?

OOC: No, but he consistently does irritating things like this in every game he's in

The Romans asked I protect them against the Turks. I accepted their proposal. Turks got mad (understatement).

It has nothing to do with Christos as a person.

...You're the one declaring war here. :p

So Linkman, as far as attacking goes, one territory deep per turn or can you capture as many territories as you have armies?

Well the way my battle calculations work, you can theoretically capture as many provinces as you have troops, but since your troops generally have the nasty inclination of dying every now and then, especially if your opponent has a large army that isn't split between multiple fronts, that number decreases.

Interesting developments all round. if this is gonna develop into a war, be sure to get your battle plans and maps in.

In the chambers of Mila Dužek, leader of the Free Balkan Alliance


An Ottoman messenger approaches. Dužek wonders what those scum want now. He's handed a paper. He reads quickly, furtively. Finally, he spits at the feet of the messenger, throwing the paper back at him.

"Your offer is laughable. We are a poor people who are only trying to defend their homelands. The only thing we want is our homes back. Unless you can give us the Balkans, not all the riches of Midas could buy us back."

The messenger skulks away.

*****The Message*****

To the Balkan Alliance:

We want a secret deal with you. If you ally with the Ottoman Empire against the Latins:

1) We will trade with you.

2) You will have free access to the straits.

3) The Ottoman Empire will be an ally of the Balkans.

4) We shall gift you land in the Holy Land. Something like a colony.

5) We will give you money.

So what you say? I know that we have a bad history, but lets forget about the past and look at the future. Do you want a war because of some bad history, or money, land and an ally?

*****The Message*****

Dude. I'm glad I didn't suddenly have another nation angry at me, but is it really fair to release secret messages? Is that a thing now?

Oh, and on that subject of war. As I am invading three provinces (and presumably Burgundy is doing something similar) shall the Fragmented HRE armies just divide equally between them, or shall they attempt to overrun one or two positions, allowing the third to fall? Is there going to be tactics by NPC's, or are you going to just go [armies/x] armies per territory where x is the number being invaded?

Why cant Musliam, Orthodox and Catholics live in peace?

We should make politics, not religious wars.

I'm sorry, Christos, but in the Grim Darkness of the 15th Century, there exists only war.

If I were your ally and was sent a message by your enemy to betray you, you wouldn't wanna know?

Let's all calm down here, okay? Why don't we face the real enemies, the Golden Horde?

And I'm becoming allies with the Ottomans because he is the only nation who is bothering to try and help us in our war against the Horde, which is much more than I can say for the rest of you.

@Chirstos: I'd try and help you in your situation, but as you can see I am in quite a pickle over here. I'd send ships but I don't have the water or money to build them. I'll try when the Horde situation is better. Sorry. :(

Lithuania is willing to ally with you against the Horde.

Lithuania is willing to ally with you against the Horde.

Done. We thank you for your help.

Dude. I'm glad I didn't suddenly have another nation angry at me, but is it really fair to release secret messages? Is that a thing now?

Oh, and on that subject of war. As I am invading three provinces (and presumably Burgundy is doing something similar) shall the Fragmented HRE armies just divide equally between them, or shall they attempt to overrun one or two positions, allowing the third to fall? Is there going to be tactics by NPC's, or are you going to just go [armies/x] armies per territory where x is the number being invaded?

1. That is a discretion of the country, not me as a GM. Secret messages adressed to the GM will always be kept in the strictest of confidentiality, but those adressed to NPC's may be revealed if it would logically make sense for the NPC to announce such an action to the world. Obviously, you PC's reserve that right too. That is part of the risk of sending a secret message between players in the first place.

2. As there are no secret declarations of war here, the HRE will attempt to concentrate forces towards the borders of its enemies, in this case you and Burgundy.

ooc:I thought that if i PMed you and posted the title '' secret negotiations ''. my offer was going to be secret. If i wanted everyone to know about my offer, i would post it in the game thread or the NPC embassy!!!!

Also another thing that gets on my nerve is that everytime i try to declare war on this game, 1,000 random nations from Western Europe, who have nothing to do with Jerusalem , invade me for being aggressive. Are you kidding me? It is the Middle Ages!!! There is almost always war!!!! Peace is a rare thing! We are not in the modern era with a UN!! There is no need of a proper Qasus Belli. Look at the most Arab- Byzantine wars for example!! And i have a Qasus Belli, but some random nations in western Europe dont care.

Not to say that the Byzantines would never accept the title of the Holy Roman Emperor, and to the last day the emperor called the German Emperor a '' Barbarian who stole the throne ''.

Yet Prussia insists that the Byzantines are Holy Romans.

Well Prussia and Pope, if you want to stop me from taking over Rome ( new) and destroying the Latins ( Tyo) , you will have to invade me!!

Uhh, what Casus Belli is that again?

Second, the Pope called a Crusade on the Mamluks. Not you.

So far only like two or three nations I haven't asked alliances/formal agreements in general for are condemning your war. And these are devout catholic nations(one of them is the freakin' Pope) who probably wouldn't stand to see the Eastern face of the Catholic Church destroyed. Hense why they are defending Jerusalem from an aggressor with no real reason for war at all.

And you're not doing anything for the peace you desperately wanted only a moment ago.

Very well. Challenge accepted.

If the Pope really wants to destroy me, he will have to come to attack me himself.

Jerusalem will be given to the Muslims. I have an advantage over you. You are afraid to make the Muslim Nations allies. But i keep religion away from politics and i have Muslim allies. Do you really think that the Balkan will be able to destroy me?

Maybe they will take 1 or 2 or 3 provinces, but nothing more. You will attack and you will take 1 or 2 provinces, while the Mamulks will take over your land.

In the end, i will face a two front war like you, but i start with more provinces, so the loss of some territories wont affect me as much as it will affect you.

Due to an unfortunate turn of events the update is being delayed for about 6-12 hours. I was almost done, too, but then I ran into some computer issues. I apologize for the inconvenience.

The Polish King promises monetary support to the Kingdom of Jerusalem, and is sorry he can't do more.

Coronation of Mehmet II: A New Roman Empire

Emperor Mehmet II, the one who converted Turks to Christianity and modernized the Army, took one more step to make the Ottoman State from a Kingdom to an Empire.

As the Sultan was ready to go to war, he was stopped by Theodoros and Patriarch Sergious.

The Sultan asked '' What do you want? ''

Theodoros replied '' My Lord, the only way we can win is if you declare yourself Emperor of the Roman. That will give courage to both Turks and Romioi to fight to the last man!!!!''

So Patriarch Sergius crowned Mehmet II. '' In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, i declare the loyal slave of the God, Mehmet II, heir of Ceasar, Augustus and Emperor and Vasileus of the Romans!! ''

So the new Roman Emperor begun his journey to unite the Empire.

Seriously, I'm joining as Andorra. :p

I'm now convinced I may as well try to make a peace deal with a wall...

Edit: @those supporting the Crusade/my defensive war, monetary donation is fine by me. If you don't want to be directly involved I'll take anything you can spare. Thanks.

Coronation of Mehmet II: A New Roman Empire

Emperor Mehmet II, the one who converted Turks to Christianity and modernized the Army, took one more step to make the Ottoman State from a Kingdom to an Empire.

As the Sultan was ready to go to war, he was stopped by Theodoros and Patriarch Sergious.

The Sultan asked '' What do you want? ''

Theodoros replied '' My Lord, the only way we can win is if you declare yourself Emperor of the Roman. That will give courage to both Turks and Romioi to fight to the last man!!!!''

So Patriarch Sergius crowned Mehmet II. '' In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, i declare the loyal slave of the God, Mehmet II, heir of Ceasar, Augustus and Emperor and Vasileus of the Romans!! ''

So the new Roman Emperor begun his journey to unite the Empire.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Aneurysem.jpg/230px-Aneurysem.jpg

Seriously, I'm joining as Andorra. :p

That could be an issue. Andorra is currently occupied by Aragon-Aquitaine.

A storm raged outside as the owner of the tavern handed the burly man on the bench another drink, which was quickly swallowed.
"What on earth is this?" coughed the man.
"This new Russian drink, called Vodka," answered the tavern owner. "Got some weird eastern vegetable in it called 'potato'".
"Huh... I like it..." said the man as he slowly began to sink back into the drunken sleep he had awoken from. His heavy eyes were about to slide closed when the door opened, bringing in howling wind and rain. The bartender, irritated, began to yell,
"Close the damn do-" but he stopped mid-sentence, and bowed to the man who had opened the door and entered the tavern. "M-my liege..." he stammered. The new arrival had a look of disgust on his face. While he was a Norman, and thus descended from the Vikings and their mead-halls, he had been raised a staunch Catholic by his Burgundian mother, and so disapproved of such heavy drinking as he saw here tonight. He kicked aside a wooden cup as he made his way to the center of the room.
"Get up," snarled the man to the bowing bartender. The owner of the tavern shot up. He stood nearly two heads shorter than the Norman nobleman.
"Your name?" asked the noble.
"Ba-Bartholomew, milord." said the bartender, who was still in a sense of shock. Speaking now appeared to have helped him get over his fear. "Name's Bartholomew, 'course you could call me Bart, if ye wished milord."
"I'm not one for smalltalk, Bartholomew. I'm looking for a certain sailor, named Hudson. Have you heard of him?" Bart nervously whispered, "There he is, by Jove. That's Hudson!" The bartender pointed at the burly man who was now licking the cup for it's last drop of vodka. The noble sighed. Why must these sailors always be drunk? He walked over to the sailor, who looked up.
"What -hic- do y-you want, ya bloody bastard?" Hudson asked. Bart let out a little yelp at the curse-word. The noble grew red.
"Do you know who I am?" yelled the noble.
"Some young idiot who can't mind his own business?"
"I'm the bloody prince, you dolt! My father is bloody King William!" A wave of recognition hit Hudson. "Ahh, I know you, you're Henry, ain't ya? Henry the second-born. Must be tough being the second-born, right?"
"You should bloody well know, being third-son of the Duke of Cornwall!" accused Henry. Hudson sighed. Why must these royals always interfere?
"Jus' tell me what you want, princey. What made you come all the way to bloody Bristol from your warm castle in Rouen?"
"Straight to business? I like it. Very well. I'm here to petition you for a favor."
"A favor?"
"Erm well, since I represent the King, more of a command. Yes, a command." Hudson's stomach churned at the possibilities.
"What do I, third-son of the bloody Duke, as you so graciously pointed out, have to offer?"
"Are you not a sailor, Mr. Charles Hudson?" Hudson's eyes grew foggy as memories swept back into places which he had attempted to erase with Russian alcohol.
"I was, not no more princey. I'm retired now I am."
"What? Since when?"
"Since me whole crew died in a bloody storm, with me bein' the only survivor. Wise men ought to learn from such an experience, I reckon."
"Never fear, a new crew and ship will be outfitted for your next expedition, Mr. Hudson." The ex-sailor was confused.
"What bloody expedition?"
Henry smiled, and pulled out a small sack from his belt. He handed it to Hudson who opened it.
"Nutmeg? Why on bloody earth do you have nutmeg on you?"
"Because, good sir, this spice is the future," Henry stood up. "For too long now the Venetians and Muslims have monopolized the Indian trade. No more. The King wants his own route to India, bypassing the Italians and Egyptians. We want you, Mr. Hudson, to find our route."
"Where? All the routes to India be south through Muslimland!"
Henry smiled, still standing, and pointed out the window westwards. "West, good sir, west is our future. The King wants you to sail westwards, across the Atlantic, to India!" Hudson stared, flabbergasted.
"And if I refuse?" Henry looked at him, confused.
"Erm, well you then die. Quite unpleasant, sorry old chap. Well then, I will return tomorrow and we will ride to Plymouth, and from there, we shall journery 'cross the sea to riches beyond our wildest dreams! See you bright and early!" Henry shook Hudson's hand and marched out back into the night. Hudson stare at his hand for a moment, then stared at Bart the Bartender.
"Another vodka..."

That could be an issue. Andorra is currently occupied by Aragon-Aquitaine.

How does a country occupy itself?

Am I the 1%?

The Holy Empire of Aragon-Aquitane will put down any ungodly, heretical, and blasphemous rebellion by the people of the Holy Imperial Province of Andorra.

OOC: AA, perhaps you could take another nation & rename it Andorra-in-Exile?

OOC: AA, perhaps you could take another nation & rename it Andorra-in-Exile?

Yes, become Andorra-in-exile Rome. Then reform NATO through an election in your communist theocracy. :thumbsup:

also, if I remember correctly, he said 6-12 hours latest... 24+ hours ago :confused:

The Holy Empire of Aragon-Aquitane will put down any ungodly, heretical, and blasphemous rebellion by the people of the Holy Imperial Province of Andorra.

You cannot hope to compete with my webcomic skills.

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ARRRR!!! The COAT OF ARMS!!!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE VIRTUS UNITA FORTIOR??? TO THE BISHOP FUNNY HAT??? TO THE TWO COWS??? TO THE SENYERA???? [pissed]

... so how's the update coming?

... so how's the update coming?

Yeah; again, those were a looooong 6-12 hours. ;)

The only reason I'm pushy is since you said you had a business trip or something. Did you leave early or something :confused:

Hello? :bump:

I... I think I've found a pulse.... Is... Is it..?

EDIT: Oh, wait, didn't he say he was going to be gone for a while after a week? It's been a week since this started. So he's gone.

ARRRR!!! The COAT OF ARMS!!!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE VIRTUS UNITA FORTIOR??? TO THE BISHOP FUNNY HAT??? TO THE TWO COWS??? TO THE SENYERA???? [pissed]

I murdered them. I'm emulating Flagland, remember?

It's dead, Jim.

It's dead, Jim.

no. no, no, no. He said he was going to be gone for a while. OP WILL DELIVER! :bowdown:

YES! Worship the Linkman Diety, for if we do, he will surely come back!

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