View Full Version : Greece, thou hast done me great wrong...


nickmandler
Mar 11, 2003, 08:53 PM
In 1130 AD, my army of 400 cavalry and a few infantry was rounding the corner of Egypt and beginning the Most Holy and Easy Babylonian War. I already controlled 50% of the land area and 70% of the power on this Super-Big (Quaysan) map:

nickmandler
Mar 11, 2003, 09:03 PM
Of course, the best unit that any other civ had was the knight, leaving no significant defensive units for me to struggle against. This is when the Most Horrid and Wretched Greek Tech Advance came. While researching electronics in 1150, 3 techs from the modern ages, I noticed little black smokestacks pointing out above the Greek columns and statues of Athens... I soon realized that the Greeks had RIFLEMEN! A defense of 6 may not seem too bad, but when fortified in a city on the hills, that brings it to 36! I knew that I'd have to destroy the Greeks before they could build any, and not give them enough time to conscript any. Of course, I had been massing a small force of 20 veteran and elite cavalry on their closest border, with railroads leading up to it. The con: the Greek were paying me 50 gold per turn, and my surplus, with science 80%, was relatively small.
Of course, I decided to act; I would have done it eventually, anyways. My declaration of war reached them as soon as the first bullets of what would hopefully be a short war.

nickmandler
Mar 11, 2003, 09:11 PM
No plan is perfect, but I thought mine somewhat foolproof. On the first turn of war, 1150, I captured 8 Greek cities and killed all of their units in my turf. I figured that I had made a good dent in their 40 cities. The AI turn passed uneventfully for the Greeks, except at the end: they called 2 nations for a trade embargo (oh, the horror! I am not even connected to them) and removed their workers from view. On January 1, 1160, I sent a present to Athens: an elite cavalry with an attitude. What did I find? two riflemen, one regular, and one conscript. This was the case at almost every city. I had to rethink my strategy. I landed 7 units on their North shore and brought in 50 workers to network my recent acquirements. With my strategy (capture, build a RR to the culture limits, send in more cavalry and capture the next), I took easily 1/4 of their remaining cities. Eat that, Alexander!
Then the real fun (I use the word sarcastically) began.

nickmandler
Mar 11, 2003, 09:20 PM
In the AI turn of 1160, I got the kind of message that everyone hates: "Give me $ or I'll kill you" - from the Carthaginians, a mediocre nation south of the Egyptians. I rightfully refused , and they declared war. They must have been planning this for a while, as they immediately killed 5 cavalry with knights and Numidian mercenaries, about 1/2 of what I had along their border. So, in 1170, I didn't get a lot done other than fending them off and taking another 1/2 of Greece, leaving them 12 cities. The people of my Civilization must feel sorry for them, as their conscripts don't fare well against our 11 armies of 4 elite cavalry each. On the current turn, 1180, my bombers are busy demolishing the remaining 8 cities, my artillery are crushing their feeble counter-attacks, and my cavalry-worker combo is still unstoppable. I'm reinforcing the Carthaginian border, as I've just spotted 6 N.M. heading towards one of my weaker cities. I hope I'll keep them at bay. As for the Accursed Babylonian War, it's almost complete - one more turn should do it. I will have tanks very soon to replace my 1200-year-old cavalry...

DannyMac
Mar 12, 2003, 03:02 PM
like your style of writing keep it up

thebignastyone
Mar 13, 2003, 04:31 PM
I dont understand? why are you telling us this?

naervod
Mar 13, 2003, 08:05 PM
Because its a story about his game and this is the Stories and Tales section if you didn't notice. Usually this is what you do in the stories and tales section.

nickmandler
Mar 14, 2003, 08:01 PM
Part IV: Two hours and 10 years later, I am in a dilemma. The war with Babylon has gone all too well. Like Persia, Korea, India, Zululand, Scandinavia, Celtic-land, Arabia, and Egypt before it, I have reduced Persia to one town. After speaking briefly with Hammy, their king, the Most Accursed and Easy Babylonian Bore is over. I am surrounding their new capitol with 8 of my finest Cavalry, and have signed a treaty for Right of Passage. Such is truly a euphamism for utter domination! On the Carthaginian front, my fearless workers have built a few railroads and I have moved in reinforcements. My cities must not fall! :king:

nickmandler
Mar 14, 2003, 08:10 PM
Part V: Still in the same turn, but after my automated workers have done their duties... A Carthaginian city is mine! There was much horror in taking it, for its defender was a musketman, defense 4*1.5*2 = 12, and the units to take it were my few cavalry remaining from the Heinous Carthaginian Unprovoked Slaughter. Chance was on my side today. Carthage will not last long now that Babylon is gone.
As for the terrible menace that Greece once was, there is no longer any need to worry. In just 4 turns, I have crushed them like an empty soda can down to three cities. With my 13 bombers and 6 artillery, as well as my 11 old armies and the three that I've earned in the last two turns, I will prevail in 1200. Greece, thou hast done me much wrong... but I'm making it right. The dilemma approaches: his Pompousness Alexander will not so much as acknowledge the force that has taken 37 of his cities; how will I negotiate peace? This war may become more bloody than I had imagined.

nickmandler
Mar 14, 2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by DannyMac
like your style of writing keep it up
I'll try. Thanks. By the way (and I don't know to which way I refer, it's only an expression,) the map in the first post was as of 1150. All in the blue ring was mine! Actually, if you look at the West coast of the right-most land mass, it very much resembles a sphynx. This may be a godly tribute to my conquest over the Egyptians!
Originally posted by someone ignorant
Why are you telling us this? (or something...)
Please be more rational, someone ignorant! This forum is for just such things!

Finally: I'm away from Civ this weekend, so I'll try to continue this tale on Tuesday, 3/18. Until then, comment on this thread!

[edit] 1 Addition of update
[edit] 2 stupid mistakes
[edit] 3 This is my post # 69!

nickmandler
Mar 20, 2003, 07:06 PM
Sorry that it's been a little while... my last turn took me 3 hours.
1210: The Beginning of a Glorious Era
While wading through my ubiquitous city reports at the beginning of 1210, I saw the most Dreaded and Unfriendly (not to mention Annoying) message in Civ history: the city of Syracuse had been retaken by resisters. I was rightfully disturbed; I thought that I'd turned off the culture-switch option! I'd conquered many other civs without such a problem, and the Greek were not exemplary. My first move was to activate one of my barby-killing cavalry in the North. Little did I know what was to follow immediately afterwards: my AI turn! I undoubtedly lost 1/4 of my production in that error. I was angry.
My final war act against Greece was the bombardment and taking over of 2 of their 3 cities. They are, fortunately, mine. Greece, smelling defeat as strongly as limburger cheese, gave up, allowing me everything except Nationalism. I'll have it soon, anyway, with the building of Theory of Evolution. They also managed to give me 45 GPT, which is odd, considering that they have only 1 city and 9 gold...
The Carthaginians have lost 4 of their cities this turn, thanks to 6 armies. Three of these 6 almost died; one had just one health left. This will be a difficult war.

nickmandler
Apr 04, 2003, 09:04 PM
Aigh... It's been a while, and I've been busy getting rejected by colleges.

With Greece out of the way, it was time to turn my wrath on full blast and point the nozzle at Carthage. As shown in the map at the top, their civilization was a large, pancreas-shaped blob with a mountain range down the spine. I had control of the North, and the other 3 sides were surrounded by water. I had taken 5 cities; over 30 remained. My method of Railroad-Cavalry could not reach Carthage in one turn as I'd thought. Their culture radius was too large. So, instead of slinking across the top half of their nation, I went around the East side. I captured a grand string of cities, a strand of muddy pearls, and soon turned South, having reached the East side. I continued, taking each city, one at a time, stretching my resources incredibly. The result was this: instead of taking two turns to directly capture Carthage, I spent one and took the entire empire. I set up peace by the end of the turn, after a very satisfying galleon vs. destroyer battle.
1210 was finished. I pressed Ctrl + N.
My score jumped 31.0 points to 1996.2!

Quiet Sound
Apr 19, 2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by nickmandler
They also managed to give me 45 GPT, which is odd, considering that they have only 1 city and 9 gold...


I had that same thing happen with that same civ in my current game. Although I think it was 44gpt and I'm not sure how much was in the treasury, just that it wasn't much. I assume that they had a per turn deal with one or more civs.

nickmandler
Apr 28, 2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Quiet Sound


I had that same thing happen with that same civ in my current game. Although I think it was 44gpt and I'm not sure how much was in the treasury, just that it wasn't much. I assume that they had a per turn deal with one or more civs.

I think that's because they were a democracy.

nickmandler
Apr 28, 2003, 08:56 PM
Now that the Great Carthaginian Pest was no more, I decided to perfect my Worker-Cavalry war method. The Japanese would be next, so I dilligently connected my railroad to their road. Hehehe.... It was going to be a massacre, as I fully intended to wipe out the Japanese in ONE TURN. Meanwhile, the Persians were spending their 5th turn at war isolated, refusing still to speak to me. When the road was complete, I probed with tanks and 13 armies, finding only spearmen and warriors defending the wealth of the Japanese. By the end of the turn, I had taken at least 90% of the stinkingly obsolete evildoers, and began to build a railroad to the Ottomans (Ottomen/women?) . :D

nickmandler
Apr 28, 2003, 09:04 PM
1270 was marked by patchy Samurai resistance and a great moving of bombers to the East. Every story has a moral dilemma, though, and here's mine:
As I addressed the overwhelming crowd in Paris at the 404th Condition of the Nation speech, I heard around me, for the first time ever, muted whispers of dissent. My officers were discussing the newest and best government, Communism, as the better choice over Monarchy. Had the constant wars turned them against me? Was it my degrading persona? It's hard to keep up appearances when you've been ruler for over 5000 years, let me tell you. It was time to take charge. On February 7, 1273, began the Most Spectacular and Utterly Peaceful Second Revolution, in which I was NOT beheaded.

bewareofgnomes
May 20, 2003, 09:45 PM
first off, what civ are you? second, what has greesce done that is so wrong? third, what level are you playing on? and lastly, what level are you playing on?

nickmandler
Jun 04, 2003, 11:17 AM
Answer 1: I am the French, bien sûr!
Answer 2: Greece has wronged me because of what they're doing now: After 16 long turns of peace, those dumb Greek knights are making their way to my capitol. I've managed to block off a few by surrounding them with workers (he he!), but my railroads are swift & they're making good use of them. They can't win; my capitol is guarded by at least 10 units and nearby Orléans holds 12 artillery, plus, I have an airbase within range with a few stealth fighters. Also, the Greeks took back one of their cities, so I surrounded it and am ready to annihilate them come 20 turns of peace.
Answer 3: I'm on the 2nd easiest level, warlord. I've played at this level since Civ2, so I could abandon cities. If you think about it, the easy level is apparent. My score was over 3000 in AD 1300 and I have now 502 of the 512 cities of the world and 80% of the landmass.

Inter4
Jun 08, 2003, 08:21 PM
the highscore is mostly because of the controlled land mass..

nickmandler
Jun 27, 2003, 09:49 PM
I should probably play on a harder level, maybe then Greece will pay a little less attention to me.

jiveturkey93065
Aug 14, 2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by bewareofgnomes
second, what has greesce done that is so wrong?

I think it is painfully obvious that they committed the crime of being Greek on a Tuesday. I mean, the punishment that he gave them for that crime is a gift! lol This is Civ! You don't need a reason to attack your neighbor! The mere fact that they are an inferior machine generated AI (computers are faster, not smarter) is enough of a reason for me to annihilate them whenever. :tank:

BTW, great story. I like this idea (I am new to the forums) and I think I will follow suit with my own written version of a game.

nickmandler
Sep 28, 2003, 12:00 AM
I can't believe this post is still up here... It's been months. Time to begin a new story.