View Full Version : Wonder Graphics: 5 Year Plan


Ukas
Mar 18, 2003, 09:00 PM
Another one for Oz's scenario. Used bit symbolic graphics here, typical Soviet iconography. But I think it looks nice in the game.

Use this to raise shield production etc perhaps to give libraries etc. Industrial, if not then scientific charasteristics. Of course plan was not applied without few million of victims, so possibly some negative factor could be considered.

I'll probably will take a break, at least slow the rate with graphics making starting tomorrow, since my girlfriend is coming to visit. I'll be checking the page every now and then so let me hear your ideas.

Ukas

Ukas
Mar 18, 2003, 09:03 PM
here's the preview:[dance]

zulu9812
Mar 19, 2003, 05:58 AM
Thanks! I've just added this wonder, using (I think) Mizaq's wonder splash, and I was waiting for something like this!

Ville
Mar 19, 2003, 08:19 AM
You do best buildings Ukas!

Ukas
Mar 19, 2003, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Ville
You do best buildings Ukas!


Thanks, man.

I think Kärpät should really start to play seriously.:cry:

Ville
Mar 19, 2003, 12:31 PM
Read my sig and you know whats gonna happen:lol:

pdescobar
Mar 19, 2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Ukas
I'll probably will take a break, at least slow the rate with graphics making starting tomorrow, since my girlfriend is coming to visit. I'll be checking the page every now and then so let me hear your ideas.

Thanks ;) This has allowed the Library to catch up with you :D

Ozymandias
Mar 20, 2003, 10:36 PM
Ukas! I'm running out of superlatives!! Thank heavens your girlfriend is visiting so I can buy a Finnish dictionary and lay some more heavy praise on your work --
BTW, see my post under Purge for more thoughts etc.

Hmmmm .... I understand Finnish is about the hardest European language to learn ... Will you accept some interim Italian :cool:

Mille Grazie -- A Thousand Thanks!

-Oz

Nahuixtelotzin
Mar 21, 2003, 04:44 AM
Sorry, just have to add this one:

It's gret to have the 5 years plan as a wonder for if the plan works, it's really a wonder :D

Ozymandias
Mar 21, 2003, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Nahuixtelotzin
Sorry, just have to add this one:

It's gret to have the 5 years plan as a wonder for if the plan works, it's really a wonder :D

Ah, but that first 5 year plan DID work, albeit at great -- nay, horrific -- human cost. The industrialization of the USSR -- and the ultimate defeat of Hitler -- was sown then. All those factories Stalin was able to have moved, wholesale, east of the Urals, weren't around in 1917 and certainly didn't come about as a result of capitalist investment.

-Oz

CivGeneral
Mar 21, 2003, 10:36 PM
Hmm, I would have this as having an Effect of Having Factories in every city.

Ozymandias
Mar 22, 2003, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by CivGeneral
Hmm, I would have this as having an Effect of Having Factories in every city.

excellent notion! -- but, now a question -- factories or coal plants? (recall how under-developed the early USSR was)

Thx,

Oz

zulu9812
Mar 22, 2003, 09:23 AM
Coal Plants don't work without Factories anyway

Yoda Power
Mar 22, 2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by zulu9812
Coal Plants don't work without Factories anyway

but Hoover Dam adds a Hydro Plant, even though they dont work unless you have a factory.

Ozymandias
Mar 22, 2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by zulu9812
Coal Plants don't work without Factories anyway

Ya know, there are moments when I swear I have Conceptual Dyslexia ... or at least Chronological ...

:p

Oz

Ukas
Mar 24, 2003, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by pdescobar


Thanks ;) This has allowed the Library to catch up with you :D



Thank You, very well presented they are now! :D


Ukas

Rufus T. Firefly
Aug 21, 2003, 02:56 PM
I have made a new Wondersplash (with the old Stalin!)

Rufus T. Firefly
Aug 21, 2003, 03:00 PM
preview

Rufus T. Firefly
Sep 23, 2003, 03:03 PM
Because I don't like my old splash too much, I have made a new one..

Rufus T. Firefly
Sep 23, 2003, 03:05 PM
Preview

Ozymandias
Sep 23, 2003, 03:58 PM
Very nice! :thumbsup:

-Oz

Thorgrimm
Oct 02, 2003, 11:54 PM
Ozy, I hate to bust your bubble but the Soviet Union would not have been able to defeat Germany in WW2, if not for American lend lease. Case in point the Soviet Union did, granted, produce 40,000 AFVS of all makes during the war. As most tacticians say amatuers study battles,but generals study logistics. In that same time not one Soviet truck or supply vehicle was manufactured by them. Which means that all those pretty tanks would have been nothing but rusting hulks if not for American trucks and supplies. Ask the Soviet soldier what he thinks of American c-rats,he would have starved without them. Remember that the Ukraine was overrun in 1941.There are not many farms in the Urals or Siberia The Soviets would have collapsed if not for the American aid recieved in the war. The Russians have finally recognised American help by putting up a statue to the FORD TRUCK. Most people do not realize how potent U.S. industrial might really is. As a fact of trivia the Rock Island Arsenal located in the middle of the Mississippi river produced 13,000 Shermans, and 8,000 Long Tom 155mm howitzers between Jan 1942 & Apr 1944 When production was SCALED BACK due to the fact that U.S. arms manufacturers were producing too much ! Remember this is only one place of manufacture.

Rufus T. Firefly
Oct 03, 2003, 12:05 PM
Uhm... someone thinks that communists eat childs...

Ozymandias
Oct 03, 2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Thorgrimm
Ozy, I hate to bust your bubble but the Soviet Union would not have been able to defeat Germany in WW2, if not for American lend lease. Case in point the Soviet Union did, granted, produce 40,000 AFVS of all makes during the war. As most tacticians say amatuers study battles,but generals study logistics. In that same time not one Soviet truck or supply vehicle was manufactured by them. Which means that all those pretty tanks would have been nothing but rusting hulks if not for American trucks and supplies. Ask the Soviet soldier what he thinks of American c-rats,he would have starved without them. Remember that the Ukraine was overrun in 1941.There are not many farms in the Urals or Siberia The Soviets would have collapsed if not for the American aid recieved in the war. The Russians have finally recognised American help by putting up a statue to the FORD TRUCK. Most people do not realize how potent U.S. industrial might really is. As a fact of trivia the Rock Island Arsenal located in the middle of the Mississippi river produced 13,000 Shermans, and 8,000 Long Tom 155mm howitzers between Jan 1942 & Apr 1944 When production was SCALED BACK due to the fact that U.S. arms manufacturers were producing too much ! Remember this is only one place of manufacture.

... Did I say all that? :)

1. Lend-lease may certainly be a factor ...
2. The scenario is set 1933 - 1950. France might have stopped germany from re-occupying the Ruhr. The Russo-Japanese War of 1939 might not have happened or might have seen Russian incursions into China proper -- which probably would have guaranteed no lend-lease. The USSR might have invaded India in support of a communist-independence movement there ...

... In short, my dear fellow, it's NOT a WW2 in the East scenario :D!

Best Regards,

Oz

Thorgrimm
Oct 05, 2003, 01:57 AM
Ozy you are a good man. You are absolutely right about France before the Wehrmacht got going. And i apologise about sounding hardcore about the east front, but i'm tired of hearing historians spout off about the inevitibility of the Soviet Union defeating Germany.Without American help the Soviets would have fallen.

Ozymandias
Oct 05, 2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Thorgrimm
[...] i'm tired of hearing historians spout off about the inevitibility of the Soviet Union defeating Germany.Without American help the Soviets would have fallen.

On this we are entirely agreed! -- and of course the USSR might even have fallen beforehand if the early war plans for Barbarossa had gone differently.

... Oh and insofar as the "good man" compliment goes -- in my experience, it generally takes one to know one! ;)

Thanks,

Oz

Amenhotep7
Oct 05, 2003, 02:45 PM
What is the 5 year plan, anyway?

Ozymandias
Oct 05, 2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Amenhotep7
What is the 5 year plan, anyway?

One of Stalin's attempts to catch up with the west vis-a-vis massive industrialization in the 1920s and '30s. Led to incalculable human misery yet was very successful -- and there were more than one of them ...

Once again from Colin McEvedy: "In the late 1920s, Russia was producing, as it had in 1914, about half as much steel as the United Kingdom, which in turn was producing about half as much as Germany. Yet by 1937, when the second of Stalin's Five-Year Plans was completed, the gap had virtually been closed: Russia was turning out considerably more steel than Britain and very nearly as much as Germany."

It also led to significant urban expansion east of the Kiev-Odessa "line" -- it was during this time that Kharkov, Stalino, Rostov, Stalingrad, Denpropetrovsk, Gorki -- etc. -- came into their own as significant, urban-industrial centers.

Best,

Oz

Amenhotep7
Oct 05, 2003, 06:13 PM
O, ok! I might use it for maybe a govt. specific wonder, if that's possible.

Ozymandias
Oct 05, 2003, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Amenhotep7
O, ok! I might use it for maybe a govt. specific wonder, if that's possible.

I'm planning -- no surprise here! ;) -- on using it as a Communist-specific "improvement".

-Oz

Eliminator
Jan 03, 2004, 04:02 PM
I have added the wonder and it works fine. But now I only want to set it up so only the russians in my game can make use of it.

I have giving the Russians Flavor I. Also marked that in the Wonder. But still If Iam Spain or what ever(which is not marked as Flavor I) can build this wonder. How this possible?

AK47
Jan 03, 2004, 05:45 PM
I think you have to set the Relationship in Flavors at 100% ?

Ozymandias
Jan 03, 2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by AK47
I think you have to set the Relationship in Flavors at 100% ?

And at 0% for all other flavors (the ones you DON'T want building it ...)


-Oz

Mobilize
Jan 03, 2004, 09:51 PM
Does anyone have the link for the Wonder Splash, I remember seeing it hundreds of times but now I can't find it. It'd be great if someone could do that.

I'm going to include this in my Austria, Cherokee, and Traits (ACT) mod, which is a more complex verion of my Cherokee Civilization Mod.

AK47
Jan 04, 2004, 03:36 AM
euh, there's a splash by Rufus on page 1 of this thread, for instance ?

And then I made a new version for The Missing Links a few weeks ago, which you can find Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71852)

There might be a 3rd one somewhere too, dunno anymore.
AK.

Eliminator
Jan 04, 2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by ozymandias


And at 0% for all other flavors (the ones you DON'T want building it ...)


-Oz

Dammit. Cant get it to work.

- Got Flavor I marked in Wondersetting menu.
- Russian Civ is marked as Flavor I
- In Flavor section I got on my right side all set ass 0 % except Flavor I!

Still other countries can build it :S

Ozymandias
Jan 04, 2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Eliminator


Dammit. Cant get it to work.

- Got Flavor I marked in Wondersetting menu.
- Russian Civ is marked as Flavor I
- In Flavor section I got on my right side all set ass 0 % except Flavor I!

Still other countries can build it :S

Questions: (1) is the advance where the wonder can be built from Optional and (2) is it marked "Cannot be traded"?

-- If still no luck, then do it the "old-fashioned" way :) -- set up an "Era=None" tech called Communist and have it be a necessary precursor for the (optional) advance which allows the wonder to be built.

-Oz

Eliminator
Jan 04, 2004, 03:08 PM
Nope its not marked as ""Can not be traded".

I dunno what u mean with ur first question.
But one other thing. @ Civ advancebar..........u see also some Flavor settings. So....

If I look @ Communisme were the wonder can be build. There is nothing marked @ the right side (in Flavor bar!). This ok? Or should I mark Flavor I?

Ozymandias
Jan 04, 2004, 03:27 PM
Sorry my question should have read "marked optional". To use flavors you need to make the flavor techs Optional for era advance and AFAIK the AI will trade them unless marked "Do not trade".

-Oz

Rufus T. Firefly
Mar 09, 2004, 01:46 PM
New (and better, I think) splash.

Preview:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/5yearplan.jpg


File:

Ozymandias
Mar 09, 2004, 04:03 PM
... Ah, that first d/l feeling :D Another excellent one, Sir RTF!

-Oz

Ukas
Mar 10, 2004, 05:02 AM
In addition to Oz's answer 5 year plan is still probably one of the main reasons why different parts of Russia and former Soviet Union are quite unequally developed.

rhialto
Mar 11, 2004, 06:00 AM
Much better splash. You know, the building in the first splash was the Battersea power station in London, or close enough that no one who is familiar with teh building would know the difference without a photo in front of them.

Corey
Mar 12, 2004, 03:38 PM
Great!!!I love it.