View Full Version : The Morbid in History: tortures and the gruesome


calgacus
Mar 20, 2003, 09:04 AM
I felt like starting a thread on the gruesome tortures and deaths so abundant in history that happened either by accident or by design. Christian martyrs provide a fruitful source, but I'll start the thread off with a classical anecdote.

This story was mentioned in Pindar, Lucian and Dante's Inferno.

"The inventor Perilaus constructed a life-size bronze sculpture of a bull with a rear entrance providing access to its belly. Here, hapless victims were enclosed while a fire lit beneath the creature's belly. By an elaborate system of pipes, cunningly contrived, the victim's screams issued from the bull's mouth in a form of a gentle lowing. Proudly presenting his invention to the Greek tyrant Phalaris, Perilaus was taken aback to find himself siezed and put inside. No fitter end could there be for the deviser of such a diabolical instrument, said Phalaris."

(http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/forgottendreams/Cookin.htm)

"There is hardly room to doubt that we have here a tradition of human sacrifice in connexion with the worship of the Phoenician Baal (Zeus Atabyrius) such as prevailed at Rhodes; when misfortune threatened Rhodes the brazen hulls in his temple bellowed. The Rhodians brought this worship to Gela, which they founded conjointly with the Cretans, and Gom Gela it passed to Agrigentum. Human sacrifices to Baal were common, and, though in Phoenicia proper there is no proof that the victims were burned alive, the Carthaginians had a brazen image of Baal, from whose downturned hands the children slid into a pit of fire; and the story that Minos had a brazen man who pressed people to his glowing breast points to similar rites in Crete, where the child-devouring Minotaur must certainly be connected with Baal and the favourite sacrifice to him of children.
The story of the bull cannot be dismissed as pure invention. Pindar (Pythia, i. 185), who lived less than a century afterwards, expressly associates this instrument of torture with the name of the tyrant. There was certainly a brazen bull at Agrigentum, which was carried off by the Carthaginians to Carthage, whence it was again taken by Scipio and restored to Agrigentum. In later times the tradition prevailed that Phalaris was a naturally humane man and a patron of philosophy and literature. He is so described in the declamations ascribed to Lucian, and in the letters which bear his own name. Plutarch, too, though he takes the unfavourable view, mentions that the Sicilians gave to the severity of Phalaris the name of justice and a hatred of crime. Phalaris may thus have been one of those men who combine justice and even humanity with religious fanaticism (SuIdas, s.v.; Diod. Sic. ix. 20, 30, xiii. 90, xxxii. 25; Polybius vii. 7, xii. 25; Cicero, Dc Officiis, 1. 7, iii. 6)".


(http://27.1911encyclopedia.org/P/PH/PHALLICISM.htm)


I'll definitely come back with more.

Here is a sketch:

smalltalk
Mar 20, 2003, 11:32 AM
(dontn't know if this qualifies as torture but gruesome it sure is)

Lushai: The headhunters

Lushai from Lu, "a head," and sha, "to cut." This gory practice was part of Lushai warfare.

The tribals, after having arrived at the place they wish to attack, surround it during the night and massacre men, women and children, reserving only such as they wish for slaves. They carry away the heads of the slain in leather sacks, ...

As soon as the conquerors reach their village, they assemble before the chief's house, and make a pyramid [from] the heads they have taken. Round this monument of their victory they dance and drink until they generally fall from intoxication.


http://www.worldandi.com/public/1993/march/cl4.cfm

Kafka2
Mar 20, 2003, 03:00 PM
"The Blood Eagle"

A Viking hobby. The victim would have two incisions cut along each side of the spine. Then the ribs would be broken along the incisions. Finally the lungs are pulled out through the holes, like a pair of rubbery pink wings.

West German
Mar 20, 2003, 07:46 PM
kafka2: thta's gross!!

Parsifal
Mar 20, 2003, 08:15 PM
Obviously, burying alive is quite a popular one, even in modern times (the Taliban institutionalized it). There are many famous incidents from history, like the emperor Qin burying alive scores of Confucian intellectuals; or when Xerxes buried alive 9 boys and girls as a human sacrifice because the place he came to was called the "Nine Ways". There were however, many ways of heightening the torment. For instance, in Persia, traitors were buried alive upsidedown.

Kafka2
Mar 21, 2003, 12:10 PM
The Empress Wang of China was executed by having her arms and legs hacked off. Her still-living head and torso were then dropped in a barrel of wine to drown.

Stylish, but a waste of a good drink.

calgacus
Mar 22, 2003, 05:51 AM
The torture of the rats, was where a rat or many rats would be based on a victim's stomach and were trapped with some sort of metal basin. The basin was then heated, usually by lighting a fire on it, so that the rats would gnaw through the victims stomach in order to escape.

calgacus
Mar 22, 2003, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Kafka2
The Empress Wang of China was executed by having her arms and legs hacked off. Her still-living head and torso were then dropped in a barrel of wine to drown.

Stylish, but a waste of a good drink.

keep it up :goodjob:

china444
Mar 22, 2003, 08:47 AM
Distubing...

gael
Mar 22, 2003, 11:50 AM
The celts were pretty gruesome when it came to sacrifice.
http://www.digitalmedievalist.com/faqs/sacrific.html