just wondering what you think might have happend to the major world powers, and and politicle structure of the world...

ww2 was bound to happen. germany as a major part of the equation wouldn't have been the enemy, but it would have been soviet russia. the capitalist-communist conflict was imminent and if there hadn't been an agressive and extremely serious threat from the axis, the russians would have had it. The only thing that made the cold war cold were nuclear weapons. there were no nuclear weapons in those years and certainly its questionable how fast a nuclear weapon would have been developed without the need for festination due to the war. The type of world we live in today politically could have been possible if the versailles treaty would have done it right. that means that the cost for any major power to engage in a full scale war would have been so great in human life and so uncertain that it wouldnt have been attempted, as was evident in the cold war.

You have to tell us the YEAR. If you mean 1939, war couldn't be avoided.

Or do you mean before Hitler took power?

The most obvious effect of the war was the U.S. became the world's Number One Superpower.

By WWII never happening, i mean it it by the wars classic definition the 1939 beginning, and it would be proper to assume that That naughty Hitle never figuerd he was a crap artist and so never came to power, at least not a major figure, and as for the soviets, from watching the history channel, it seems very evident that the soviets would not have made a move in europe FOR A VERY LONG TIME..., because the only Russian plan for victory relied on(and this is assumed from rather incomplete, in my opinon knowledge of the Ruskey's plans) relied on the in fighting of the central european powers, in paticular german fighting, and thus weaking itself for a post cental war invasion by russia, so we will also assume that russia will not hav started a war in the genral time frame, this thread is relley about how world politics, and positions for superpower would be affected, and the result in a modern world scenario

Hitler came to power for numerous reasons one of which was anti-bolshevism. He played a big part in keeping a fragmenting Germany's communists down (often very brutally) whilst he restructured Germany. Without Hitler it is perfectly possible that communism could have become the main power in Germany thus spreading the communist ideology deeply into Western Europe. France was also considered at the time vulnerable to communism and it is a perfectly plausible scenario to see France becoming communist after her neighbouring Germany had gone this way. Communist fears over Spain were of course one of the main factors that drew Hitler into supporting Franco in the Spanish Civil War.

It is possible to see a world in which communism had swept across Europe like a huge tide. The outcome of which is obviously impossible to predict.

Kentonio

Unfortunutley Kentonio, despite your efficient explenation of the various reasons Hitler came to power, remember at one time he was a (crappey) artist, and this thread assumesthat he never figured that out, and everyone has to admit if hat happend hitory would be very differnt, so to any further posters, i plead tha you not give an explenation involving hitler at, if war was inevitible then why not give a nationalistic reason for it, and not repeat what is now very obvious, that the war appears t have been only the play thing of a mad dictator.

Xen, I think Kentonio was saying that if Herr Hitler never came to power, Communism could have taked hold in Germany and from that the te rest of Europe.

If not for WWII,China will not become Communist.China will be the world No 1 Superpower now.
WWII has greatly weakened the Kuomintang and give time to the Communist to arm themselves.They would probably not receive the weapons from the surrendering Japanese in Northern China.

Do you know of a quote from a Chinese Communist?
"World War I gave rise to Soviet Russia
World War II made possible the emergence of Communist China
World War III will bring communism to power in the United States and the end to the capitalist world"
quite cool huh?

If WW2 never happened than Ted Williams would have played baseball.

ww2 was a matter of time, if it wasnt Hitler, then would have been another.
after the defeat in 1918 people in Germany was waiting for a revenge, Hitler gave them what they wanted, the oportunity to fight back, they lost, of course,

a world without WW2 its hard to imagine,

USA would have kept it's isolationist stance....... :) YAY! and wouln't be the super power it is today

Hitler meant war, no war would have meant no Hitler.

If he would never have come to power there's a good chance that Communist would have taken power in Germany. They and the Soviets could (all speculation) have influenced the significant worker's movement in France to join the Revolution which would ultimately have resulted in a Communist Europe.

It's practically impossible to tell what would have happened then (after all what if threads are kind of useless), maybe Imperialist Japan would have clashed with the Soviets (meaning all of Europe now), maybe the US would have joined Japan.

Originally posted by Fayadi
"World War I gave rise to Soviet Russia
World War II made possible the emergence of Communist China
World War III will bring communism to power in the United States and the end to the capitalist world"

Nice :D
:goodjob:

Quite unbiased and unpatriotic analysis Fayadi ;)

War in 1939 was avoidable but what was germany going to do with the world's most able army?

BTW, if war didn't happen then, remember that Japan was already fiddling with China and and a Japanese-American war was unavoidable. Also I strongly believe Stalin would have started fussing west in 41 or 42.

Originally posted by Fayadi

Do you know of a quote from a Chinese Communist?
"World War I gave rise to Soviet Russia
World War II made possible the emergence of Communist China
World War III will bring communism to power in the United States and the end to the capitalist world"

Communism is dead, and thank God for that.

quite cool huh?

Yes, I just can't wait to be starved and shot!

Originally posted by rmsharpe

Yes, I just can't wait to be starved and shot!

:lol: So true. :lol:

If WWII never happened, it wouldn't be politically incorrect to be right wing in Europe. ;)

Originally posted by rmsharpe


Communism is dead, and thank God for that.



Yes, I just can't wait to be starved and shot!

be quiet.

If there were no WW2:

Well, first of all, I'd have a lot more grandparents, and likely more aunts and uncles, thereby I'd have more cousins, nieces and nephews.

So what if Hitler just inhaled more mustard gas and didn't spend all that time in the hospital writing books? I still believe (for reasons mentioned above) that conflict in Europe would have occured at some point.

And the US would still be isolationist. If, of course, we didn't freeze Japan's assets, thereby allowing them more money to fuel the war machine that dominated the Pacific region.

Very interesting opinons, my own personal belife is that, the United States(that, not "America" is my country's name after all...) would have have not maintained isolationist polices as such, but rather have continued to reacut to dominate the America's, in paticular oil rich central America, where the U.S gets over 2/3's of its oil,and that while central Europe(ie: France,Germany, possible Netherlands) might have fallen to communism, the Mediterranian powers, in paticular Spain and Greece would have/continue to have a more or less democratic constitution, backed by Britain, and possible the U.S, I firmlly doubt that china would be a significant powr at all, because for most of the 40's-60's i think it may "be"(for lack of a better term) involved in a war against Japan, which like Shady said a pacific conflict may have been inevitable, and its hard to say results from that, other tha if China was liberated, it certainley would not be communist,and in no position to rise to dominance.

If Hitler never seized power and Japan didn't attack the US:

- America would an isolationist country, without a big army.
- France and GB would still be pretty powerfull on the world theater, and have their colonies.
- Sovjet Union would be the most important world power, and have influence over Eastern Europe. There would have been war between the SU and France-GB.
- China would be another world power, and control the eastern part of Asia. There would also be a possible war between China and the SU, or a strong alliance, in which case would make a very powerfull communistic pact, which would 'require intervention' by the US...

Originally posted by Cecasander
If Hitler never seized power and Japan didn't attack the US:

- America would an isolationist country, without a big army.
- France and GB would still be pretty powerfull on the world theater, and have their colonies.
- Sovjet Union would be the most important world power, and have influence over Eastern Europe. There would have been war between the SU and France-GB.
- China would be another world power, and control the eastern part of Asia. There would also be a possible war between China and the SU, or a strong alliance, in which case would make a very powerfull communistic pact, which would 'require intervention' by the US...

-America would still be properous, but yes, likely isolationist. They would still have a powerful Navy, but less ground forces to project power (i.e. "boots on the ground").

-France and GB still influential, though I believe today they would be literally fighting to hold onto their colonies (example: Vietnam still trying to shake loose their "colonial masters.")

Soviet Union and China would be powerful nations in the world, supposing the Chinese can defeat Japan. Assuming that, the Chinese would dominate east asia much in the same way Japan did during WW2. The question of which government would be in control of China would be up for debate as well - if there wasn't a second world war, would the communists or nationalists (who relocated to Taiwan/Formosa) be in Beijing?

The Soviets and the Chinese would more likely be industrial rivals than allies.

In a certain light, WW II changed very little. The US became more powerful and European geography was rearranged a great deal, but the power blocks remained largely intact. A bigger impact, in this light, was brought about by the Marshal Plan, which reintroduced Germany and Japan to polite society. Another major change was the formation of Israel, whcih destabilized a newly wealthy region.

J