Let's see who wins. :)

(Sequence of this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32865).)

I voted De Soto, 'cause of the huge benefits I get from the rumors if I have him. I'll always get him ASAP, to ensure a strong start!

Benjamin Franklin was a favourite of mine, IIRC he was sort of a "seti program" for your liberty bells, ensuring faster "research" of the other founding fathers and the intervention army.

Originally posted by Kemal
Benjamin Franklin was a favourite of mine, IIRC he was sort of a "seti program" for your liberty bells, ensuring faster "research" of the other founding fathers and the intervention army.

I thought Franklin made European wars irrelevant to relations in the NEw World...??? :confused:

It's clearly John Paul. The free frigate is really a good bonus especially early on when you need every coin of gold you can't afford to buy such a ship. And a frig is always useful, coast defence, escorting transport against privateers, ship to ship combat against other powers,.... A wonderful toy.
Big ships with guns are cool I'm a fan of them. I should go to the navy oh I just realized we have none :crazyeye:
Plz let me someone join their navy I want to play with big ships too

Benjamen Franklin

When I have two AI powers fortifying units all around my cities, it bogs the game down big time. Franklin keeps the stupid AI to itself, not around my cities.

Smith is a great assest to me, factories are a big help, Smith and P. Stuyvesant are my best.

boy. If I had to just choose one.......

De soto works great with Cortez.

Stuyvesant is sooooooo helpful,

and Franklin basically makes those rivals irrelevant.

I choose Pocahauntas because she is .... a she.

If i really absolutely had to choose one it would be stuyvesant.

and the great wall!!!!!

John paul Jones
A free frigate.

only good for begineers

For more avanced player
Benjamin frankin

I voted for Peter Minuit, that's the guy who let's you use the natives' soil for free, right? (it's been awhile since I played Colonization :) )

I choose peter stuyvant for the Custom house but forgot about " Drake" that improve your Privater . I love to use privater , fast and most of the time I win when atacking other Ships - caravel and merchant ship . sometimes I got Musket or Tool when the come from europe . if there are going to europe I sell what I get , or select nothing and try to catch them before they get to there colony . the first boat I buy is a privater and have about 12 in the end of the game after losing some in the wars .

I agree with Ben II,
John paul jones for begineers
(Like Me)

But maybe Groerge Washigton For better people

I can't believe no one selected William Brewster yet. I get tired of the king dumping criminals on my doorstep.

Difficult to pick just one. If I had to:
Jefferson - for the early bells!

George Washington is my favorite he preps my troops before revolution. Next is Coronado to scout out the enemy then Cortez for the wealth. I also like Stuyvesant for the money.

early on in the game getting de soto helps. if your going to attack indians then cortes next, though i always choose minuet first if he is avaiable.
other than that i welcome the custom house dude.

depending on what game your going play i would vote peter stuyvesant the most important. Custom house. getting de salle early saves time.

the other guy that upgrades soldiers automatically later in the game i think washington helps.

should start a voting thread as to which founding father is the most usless, hudson is a pain in the ass early on if you pick him, safer waiting to later after you got those custom houses up and going, then smith next to get the factories up and operating. i would say pochantos is the most useless, yes tensions die down, but i found employing a few petty criminal converts to behave as missionaries are just as effective.

i love pochantas i will only choose her if i play for the english though. chit happens the game is interesting, the spanish are usually wiping out the indians. it so rocks this game. why ? they got eve online best elite clone i seen from way back,but it lacks the inside view of ship,the old elite game allowed you outside perpestive if you choose, i not always was in my elite ship, i like to get a different perpestice number plates what not lol. i think im coming across insane, but there was an inate beauty about frontier elite, just like colonization, civilasation im afraid is very boring, thats my humble opioin.

i have so ended up in a thread. pochantos rules lol.

Minuit may not be the "best" but he is essential! Just try to play the game without him! I did a couple of times, it was exponentially more difficult.
Most FFs are good, only a few are useless, like Hudson :P Is it de la Salle who gives "free walls" ? I don't like him, I like to capture a city, loot it and then disband it. You can't do that with walls up, eh?

I especially like Minuet (free land) and Brewster (no crims) early, then De Soto (rumours) and Cortez (free transport) and off course Smith and Stuyvesant for trade and Washington and Drake for combat. So which one got my vote - Jefferson of course so I can get all those others earlier in the game.

By the way - de la Salle does not have to cause a problem with his stockades. When you take over an enemy town the stockade is not built immediately. You have a short period during which you can reduce the number of colonists or abandon the colony. The trigger point is when you add a colonist to that colony, and then the stockade appears. Of course if the colony you take over already has a stockade the you are in trouble from the start - but that's not de la Salle's fault.

I voted for Peter Stuyvesant, I also like Jefferson, Paine and La Salle and some others.

William Brewster! The only thing I do with criminals is make em missionaries and sooner or later, I've had enough of those :D

Minuit and Stuyvesant..

Last game I decided to get Pocahontas early on and put missionaries in every Indian town near my colonies. I also kept some distance to their villages to minimize tension. The game played quite different from there on: the natives never attacked my colonies, kept giving me resources forever, and offered me converts occasionally, which are ofcourse useful for resource production. They are perfect to give your colony the extra food it needs so it runs a surplus instead of a deficit, without needing expert farmers of fishermen.

I don't think she is the best FF, but it's a fun change.

I would say good old Thomas Jefferson. You can't go wrong with 50% extra Liberty Bells! ^_^

Thomas Jefferson, he's like compound interest!

In retro-spect, I should have voted Adam Smith. The whole 1 and 1/2 finished goods to 1 raw materials is really useful when you are getting money primarily from those goods (hey, I am a pacifist, no raiding the Aztec Empire for me :p)

Adam Smith:

Let me build factories & I'll buy 10 John Paul Joneses

Peter S. is good to - don't need to have ships to ship my exports anymore.

Jefferson because he makes all subsequent leaders appear faster.

1. Jefferson, to get the other fathers quicker
2. De Soto. The best beginning is the exploration of the rumors
3. Cortez. Explorers will be able to acquire the found treasures by building a temporary city near an ocean, and moving the treasure in this city
4. Brewster, so that then foutains of youth give you colons instead of criminals...

Then, If you want to stay in peace with the indians :
5. Minuit
6. Pocahontas

If you attack the indians :
- Sepulveda before the war, to get indians from missions
- Las Casas after, to turn indians into colons

If you accept the taxes : Paine, to get extra bells
If you dont : Stuyvesant, to sell boycotted things in europe

When you reach 1600
1. Bolivar
2. Washington

Plz let me someone join their navy I want to play with big ships too

You can join the American Navy even as a non-citizen. You may be limited as to jobs, though.

I like Benjamin Franklin, Hernando de Soto, and William Brewster. If I can get these guys early on, it'll be a good game.

I can't believe no one selected William Brewster yet. I get tired of the king dumping criminals on my doorstep.

Totally agree. He is always the first one I seek. I guess we are more the builder-trader type. Hate to get criminals - they take forever to train.

They make great missionaries...

5. de Soto - Should be higher, but my early needs for ships and labor are so pressing that I often can't spare the horses, manpower, or holds to send a scout exploring.
4. Washington - Tends to come late in my games, but he's very helpful at establishing the Continental Army.
3. Jefferson - +50% Liberty, the game's key resource? I'll take it!!!
2. Minuit - Absolutely essential for expanding early - especially in Aztec/Inca land.
1. Bolivar - the 20% boost doesn't sound like a lot, but it is. It'll move some cities over 50%, which provides a production bonus; and some to 100%, which provides a double bonus. He's the one guy I scarf up as soon as I see him.

I voted De Soto because I've had such great games with him. My best games are with several early seasoned scouts roaming all over the land and De Soto makes them pay over and over and over with the Rumours. Once I got like 4 or 5 fountain of youths.
I was tempted to vote Minuit because I used to disrespect the Indians and take their land. I no longer allow myself to play that way so Minuit is useless.
Stuyvesant was also tempting because custom houses are so nice and easy to have.
Is Hudson useless? Hmmm I picked him in my current game. A Expert trapper on a game square is making 24 furs/turn! It is slightly annoying to have to change him every 4/5 turns and fur prices have collapsed already so he's not much use anymore I guess. Very early on though with no trappers and no game/river squares he'd help cashing in on the early fur demand.

Of course Minuit is essential, but after that, Stuyvesant is great. And of course Jefferson for the speedup in bell generation, Brewster for no more criminals and Franklin to avoid unwantedwars. And timing the arrival of Fugger for maximum profit is wonderful fun.

Still, I don't bother to get Franklin too early, because the king declaring war on one of your rivals in the early stages, giving you veteran soldiers and money can be quite useful.

John Paul Jones

Free Frigate can't beat it.