This thread is for the static leaderheads being created for King Arthur's North Atlantic Archipelago Scenario (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59151) which is a continuation of gael's Atlantic Archipelago Scenario (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49040) Please note that although they were originally created for these scenarios, they are being posted here so that anyone who wishes to use them in their own mod/scenario may do so. All we ask is that you give appropriate credit in the documentation of anything which you distribute.

Gael does all the hard work of creating the heads in Poser; I then turn his rendered images into static FLiCs and the proper PCX files and hog all the credit since I write the Readme file ;) This post is an index containing download links and links to later posts which have the original previews created by gael. The first nine are posted all in a row right after this while the last three are quite a bit later in the thread, although they are together.

Note: To reiterate, these are static leaderheads, not animated leaderheads. They are created in Poser but the FLCs themselves are simply an unchanging neutral expression for each era which keeps the filesizes small and allows gael to cut&paste the clothes for them. (There has been confusion about this so I thought I'd try to make it a bit more clear :))

Index of Completed Heads Ceaulin of Wessex -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=892612#post892612) || Download v1.1 (466KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CeaulinOfWessex_v1_1.zip)
(posted on 3 April 2003; updated to 1.1 on 3 April 2003)
Kenneth mac Alpin of Dal-Riada -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892615#post892615) || Download v1.0 (424KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_KennethMacAlpinOfDal-Riada_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 8 April 2003)
Calgacus of Pictland -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892617#post892617) || Download v1.0 (466KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CalgacusOfPictland_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 10 April 2003)
Vortigern of Powys -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892618#post892618) || Download v1.0 (454KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_VortigernOfPowys_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 10 April 2003)
Ceretic of Strathclyde -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892619#post892619) || Download v1.0 (450KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CereticOfStrathclyde_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 10 April 2003)
The Ard Ri of Connacht -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892620#post892620) || Download v1.0 (358KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_ArdRiOfConnacht_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
Dermot MacMurrough of Leinster -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892621#post892621) || Download v1.0 (384KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_DermotMacMurroughOfLeinster_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
Niall Nóigiallach of Ulster -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892623#post892623) || Download v1.0 (347KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_NiallNoigiallachOfUlster_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
Vorimorus of Dumnonia -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=892624#post892624) || Download v1.0 (398KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_VorimorusOfDumnonia_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
King of the Normans -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1179910#post1179910) || Download v1.0 (398KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfNormans_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
King of Gwynedd -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1179911#post1179911) || Download v1.0 (351KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfGwynedd_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)
King of Deheubarth -- Post & Preview (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1179917#post1179917) || Download v1.0 (355KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfDeheubarth_v1_0.zip)
(posted on 17 August 2003)


Edit: 25 April 2003 -- Tried and failed to change thread title at Gael's request and added an icon
Edit: 17 August 2003 -- Added the remaining seven heads, bringing the total number to twelve. Added link to the new scenario thread and changed some wording to reflect the new postings.

Ceaulin of Wessex

This is the Wessex leaderhead, Ceaulin; the first bretwalda "Ruler of Britain", (anglo/saxon highking) from Wessex.

Download Version 1.1 (466KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CeaulinOfWessex_v1_1.zip)
Edit: Updated to version 1.1; frame delay reduced from 10 to 1 on animations at the advice of GIDustin

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CeaulinOfWessexPreview.jpg

Kenneth mac Alpin of Dal-Riada

This is the Dal-Riada (Scot) leaderhead, Kenneth mac Alpin; "He was the first king of Dal-Riada to be crowned king of Alba (modern day Scotland), giving the Scots dominance over the Picts."

Download Version 1.0 (424KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_KennethMacAlpinOfDal-Riada_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_KennethMacAlpinOfDal-Riada_Preview.jpg

Calgacus of Pictland

This "Calgacus, a Pictish leader. (Indiginous people of Scotland)
The Picts are a bit of an enigma as far as historical information goes, but Calgacus seemed to make an impression on the invading Romans."

Download Version 1.0 (466KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CalgacusOfPictland_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CalgacusOfPictland_Preview.jpg

Vortigern of Powys

"This leader is 'Vortigern'. His kingdom is Powys in Wales. He invited Hengist and Horsa, two Jutish brothers and their mercenaries, to Britain to help him defend Britain from the Scots and Picts of the North.
The Jutes revolted, and later formed the Jutish Kingdom of Kent.

Vortigern is a bit of a Welsh anti-hero, who has been credited with getting the ball rolling for the Anglo/Saxon invasion of Britain."

Download Version 1.0 (454KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_VortigernOfPowys_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_VortigernOfPowys_Preview.jpg

Ceretic of Strathclyde

"This one is 'Ceretic', King of Strathclyde. NW British Celts."

Download Version 1.0 (450KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CereticOfStrathclyde_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CereticOfStrathclyde_Preview.jpg

The Ard Ri of Connacht

This is the Ard Ri (Irish High King) of Connacht; no specific name had been picked for him upon leaderhead creation.

Note: The neutral ancient images have a slightly different background from the other ancient images. I didn't notice it until I started converting the head and knew that any attempt by me to change the background at that point would look awful. Hopefully, it is close enough to not hinder gameplay as I don't think gael will be able to rerender it.

Download Version 1.0 (358KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_ArdRiOfConnacht_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_ArdRiOfConnacht_Preview.jpg

Dermot MacMurrogh of Leinster

This is Dermot MacMurrogh of Leinster. "He enlisted the help of Anglo/Norman forces to help him regain his kingdom, and has been blamed for getting the ball rolling for the later invasion of Ireland."

Download Version 1.0 (384KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_DermotMacMurroughOfLeinster_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_DermotMacMurroughOfLeinster_Preview.jpg

Niall Nóigiallach of Ulster

"This is Niall Nóigiallach, or Niall of the Nine Hostages. He is the leader for the Ulster kingdom (Ireland). He consolidated the northern region of Ireland and created a dynasty that kept his descendants High Kings of Ireland for 600 years.

It was during one of his raids against the Romans in Britian that Niall's forces took hostage the boy Succat for a slave, who escaped and later returned to Ireland and became known as St. Patrick."

Download Version 1.0 (347KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_NiallNoigiallachOfUlster_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_NiallNoigiallachOfUlster_Preview.jpg

Vorimorus of Dumnonia

This is Vorimorus, king of Dumnonia (Cornwall).

Download Version 1.0 (398KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_VorimorusOfDumnonia_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_VorimorusOfDumnonia_Peview.jpg

I thought you said these were static flcs? It looks like Ceaulin of Wessex is animated due to the previews, but I guess I will ahve to download to find out. It looks great though.

GIDustin

ok I downloaded and found out that they arent animated. BTW I do have a suggestion for you. WHen creating the flcs you need 121 frames which you have, BUT make the delay 1 milisecond instead of ten. Trust me, it reduces file size. I got your ancient one from 85,690b to 53,020b just by using this method.

GIDustin

Thanks GIDustin. I never got a good answer on frame delays before so I just went with what I had seen on others. I'll be sure to update it :) Edit: Files updated. Thanks again!

I believe the heads are static because gael was cutting&pasting the clothes on, but he'd have to comment further on that.

There are that many of them, that I could never find the clothes for each leaderhead and each era to make them animated.

Its hard enough to just find the cloths for one, nevermind 18.

Glad I could help. I planned on going through all the leaderheads in my archive and changing all the delays to 1 to see if I could get any small enough to re-host. :p

I understand about the clothes thing. When I tried poser, I couldnt even get the guy to look human, yet alone clothe him, so I envy what you are doing. I look forward to seeing the rest of 'em.

GIDustin

these are fantastic! any hints as to who we can look forward to?

They will all be pretty much generic looking Euro leaders.
So you can name them whoever you want.

I'm doing these 9 along with pdescobar because it will take me a while to make the scenerio. People can use them as they like.
The other 9 will become available with the scenerio.

PS. Theres a new Scottish leader next.
:)

I am eagerly anticipating them all. really great stuff here.

A little bump noting that 3 more heads have been added bringing the total complete to 5.

They are GREAT! :goodjob: I would vote with 6 stars if possible. ;)

Great, two of them will be added to the next update of the MEM:goodjob:

Originally posted by pdescobar
Calgacus of Pictland

This "Calgacus, a Pictish leader. (Indiginous people of Scotland)
The Picts are a bit of an enigma as far as historical information goes, but Calgacus seemed to make an impression on the invading Romans."

Download Version 1.0 (466KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CalgacusOfPictland_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/pdescobar_CalgacusOfPictland_Preview.jpg


Wonderful :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Was this gael's work?

...I might use it as my avatar

All the graphics are my work, pdescobar coverted them to leaderhead flic/pcx files so that they can be used in the game.

Glad you like him, I'd be happy to see him used as your avatar.:)

Oh ye, I just found out in my med. history lecture yesterday, that the term "North Atlantic Archipelago" is used in order not to offend Irish historians. That's mildly amusing :)

Originally posted by calgacus
Oh ye, I just found out in my med. history lecture yesterday, that the term "North Atlantic Archipelago" is used in order not to offend Irish historians. That's mildly amusing :)

Its more a geographical discription than the later adopted political one, which would'nt have been in use during the time of this scenario.

Also it is wildly known that us Irish folk can be fiercely defensive, (to the point of being a pain in the arse), when it comes to being lumped under anything British. ;) :)

Nice...scary beyond on common belief or reason...but still nice.

Originally posted by pdescobar

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Edit: 25 April 2003, Tried and failed to change thread title at Gael's request and added an icon

Who are the others likely to be?

The others are "the Ard Ri (Irish High King) of Connaght," "Vorimorus, king of Dumnonia (Cornwall)," "Niall Nóigiallach, or Niall of the Nine Hostages, leader for the Ulster kingdom (Ireland)," and "King of Leinster (Ireland);He'll probably be Dermot MacMurrough"

Gael did his part a while ago but I've been slacking on the FLCs and such. You can see previews in this thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49040

Thaks :goodjob:

These are really cool, too bad they're not animated :(

Comments like that always fascinate me Madeira. What do you find so appealing about animated leaderheads? The animation conveys nothing, to me, in the game and I find the easier time in creating and the vastly smaller file size of static heads far outweighs the eye candy aspect of animaged ones. I'm always curious to find out why others feel differently.

Originally posted by GIDustin
ok I downloaded and found out that they arent animated. BTW I do have a suggestion for you. WHen creating the flcs you need 121 frames which you have, BUT make the delay 1 milisecond instead of ten. Trust me, it reduces file size. I got your ancient one from 85,690b to 53,020b just by using this method.

GIDustin

Unless I'm missing something major, you don't need 121 frames for a static leaderhead.
Some time ago I made a Paul Kruger head as an flc for my Afrikaner civ (I would quote the thread if I knew how) which consists of only one frame and it works fine. OK, it doesn't move much and isn't the greatest piece of work ever posted, but it functions. So why this insistence on 121 frames!? :confused:

What I look for in a leaderhead is that it be era specific, it fit in with the original leaderheads, and it conveys the other civs stance towards my own.

These heads meet all those requirements and go above and beyond those animated heads for the reasons pdescobar stated above; they are easier to make and they come in much smaller files. :)

Tweedledum, I consider the 121-frame thing to be partly standardization with how the game files are and partly an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" idea. All the default game FLCs are 121 frames and almost all animators have adopted this as their standard. While a static FLC of one frame does seem to work, at least with recent patches, in my very limited tests, many people I respect who do (admittedly usually animated) leaderheads quote the 121-frame figure and I am not 100% confident that other numbers will work without problems. Additionally, using the Ancient Wessex head as an example, a 121-frame 1ms delay head is 53,020 bytes and the same head reduced to a single frame of 1 ms delay is 50,140 bytes. I am more comfortable including that extra 3k of information and keeping with the "standard."

It is entirely possible that you don't need 121-frames now and also possible that you never actually needed 121-frames, but I would rather have a slightly larger file which maintains consistency and causes me less worry :)

When will you be done with the other 4 leaderheads???

Whenever gael bugs me about them, LOL. Wow, this has been on the shelf for a long time, though. That's what I get for spending the majority of free time testing. I'll see if I can make some progress in the next two weeks.

pdescobar, i don't have full access to a PC at home anymore so i doubt my scenerio is going to get made.

I have finished graphic files a few others that i can post up if anyones interested in completing them.

Heres a preview of two of those graphic sets. theres another two somewere on this computer.

gael, is that preview of some of the 4 I haven't done yet or are they additional? I *will* get around to doing the rest of the ones you previously posted since others are interested in them and I have the zips already, but it's slipped in priority since your comp access has gone and the scenario is now in limbo. If I don't find time beforehand, I should be able to get them done once the DyP release is out, which should be in early July. If you have done more than these original 9, feel free to post up the zips for the others and I'll get around to them when I have a chance.

pdescobar, these are different ones to the files you have.

I have limited access to the same PC that i was using when i was planning to make the scenario, so the new leaderhead files that i made are still here on the C drive.

Theres no pressure coming from me to get those leaderheads finished, its up to you mate.
I'll post a link to the files on this thread when i can.

Sorry man, I sort of feel like you've put the time in for nothing, ...but life got in the way.:(

Well, im planning on using these awesome leaderheads in an ancient age scenario i'll make soon, make europe crowded with "barbarian" civilizations :) Think it will be pretty cool!
So its not for nothing, im sure many people will use these.

That was the plan Madeira. :)

The other leaderheads were going to be released with the mod/scenario, but since it isn't going to be made any time soon, I thought why let the graphics go to waste.

Originally posted by gael
pdescobar, these are different ones to the files you have.

I have limited access to the same PC that i was using when i was planning to make the scenario, so the new leaderhead files that i made are still here on the C drive.

Theres no pressure coming from me to get those leaderheads finished, its up to you mate.
I'll post a link to the files on this thread when i can.
Understood. Get to it when you can. I might as well finish them up when I get a chance because, like you say in a later post, no use letting them go to waste ;)

Sorry man, I sort of feel like you've put the time in for nothing, ...but life got in the way.:(
No problem at all. It happens. And I'm sure they have gotten some use; for instance I know Yoda was going to use some for MEM and cracker was considering using some for GOTMs.

I also use them in my fantasy mod which I hope to release soon. At first I wasn't going to use them at all because they are static, but after some time I decided they just look too good :)

These leaderheads are great. I only use the modern ones in my mod and I really needed people in suits like these. Superb job! :D

Haha, that Ceaulin guy looks just like me :D just have to change the eye color :)

Those leaderheads are great, the beat-up faces in particular are brilliant. Even though they're not animated they still have more character than some of the original CivIII ones. I especially like oor Kenneth he looks like a right bruiser.

Do you need any help with the mod?

Originally posted by gael
That was the plan Madeira. :)

The other leaderheads were going to be released with the mod/scenario, but since it isn't going to be made any time soon, I thought why let the graphics go to waste.

I've sent you a PM KingArthur.

Originally posted by gael
I've sent you a PM KingArthur.

It's underway :)
Go here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59151/) for the North Atlantic Archipelago mod and scenario thread.
regards
King Arthur

pdescobar
Will you have any more leaderheads ready soon?


Originally posted by KingArthur


It's underway :)
Go here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59151/) for the North Atlantic Archipelago mod and scenario thread.
regards
King Arthur

Originally posted by KingArthur
pdescobar
Will you have any more leaderheads ready soon?yeah, please I need that Norman head:)

I'm working on some today in fact since I have the day off and DyP has just passed an internal deadline. I'll see how many I can knock out in one day ;)

King of the Normans

This is the King of the Normans, currently unnamed.

Download Version 1.0 (374KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfNormans_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfNormans_Preview.jpg

King of Gwynedd

This is the King of Gwynedd, one of two Welsh civs.

Download Version 1.0 (351KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfGwynedd_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfGwynedd_Preview.jpg

King of Deheubarth

This is the King of Deheubarth, one of two Welsh civs.

Download Version 1.0 (355KB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfDeheubarth_v1_0.zip)

Composite preview:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/pdescobar_KingOfDeheubarth_Preview.jpg

They're all up now. I added seven today bringing the total to twelve which is all the ones that I know of which gael finished.

Note that the Connacht head has a slightly different background on some of his ancient images but I thought that my crude methods of trying to fix it would be worse than the minor inconsistency which now exists. Also, some of the readmes say the new heads were released in April as I forgot to update that line when copying and editing the old readmes. I'm not reposting updated versions for such an inconsequential thing. ;)

I gave them some minimal testing before putting them up, but if you find any problems, please let me know, preferably via PM. Hope you enjoy them.

Thank you:goodjob:

Nice work pdescobar:goodjob:

I'm sure you are glad to get those out of the way.;)

How about making some female leaderheads? I could need some. PLEASE!!!!:D :D :D

These Leaderheads are all great.I put it on the brazilian civilizaition site and everybody liked.

These are good.

these leaderheads are awesome!!! :goodjob: any chance to turn them animated???

If anyone would animate these, they would have my eternal gratitude, :worship:

If anyone would animate these, they would have my eternal gratitude, :worship:

same feelings here......if I were sent the poser files, I'd gladly animate them!!

Wow, the guy from Leinster looks like my old English teacher. :lol:

Well, now that this has been bumped out of eternity... :rolleyes:
I think that gael lost his computer, or something like that. I think these models are all lost...

That's a tragedy! Animated, these would have been exceptional. At least we have Saruman, who I think is great.

I saw the images and check they use many copy/paste resource, as Lincon clothes in some industrial leader, I guess. If they have to animated these leaders, using the same clothes, it could be a hard (a really really hard) work that must Poser and Photo Shop. More, there is a lot of leaders, the time to render all them could be days or weeks!!! :eek:
BTW, the leaders are really awesome!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Was Brian Boru not the first Ard Ri?