View Full Version : The Image of History


Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 04:54 PM
Be it a painting, a statue, a mosaic, a photograph, a cartoon; be it any image at all, I want a thread packed with images beautiful in their summary of great historical events, processes or tragedies.

I will post soon to start off.

You might also want to post quotes, but the thread is for the visual most of all.

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:02 PM
British surrender at Yorktown:

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/DESOTO/yorktown.gif

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:03 PM
Famous mosaic of Alexander the Great attacking King Darius at Gaugamela:

http://www.imor.org.mk/programmes/bv/Images/alex_12.jpg

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 05:10 PM
This is the Roman Emperor Diocletian and his colleague Maximian. They represent an attempt to save the Roman Empire from doom. They are huddled together for mutual protection; if you look at their faces, they look scared and paranoid. They represent the Roman Empire threatened with death, and sum up the Roman Empire in the era of 50 years of civil war and barbarian invasions from which they had just emerged.

They carry little orbs, and wear the Illyrian cap upon their head, representing the new soldier-provincial who dominated Diocletian's era and who transformed the Roman Empire from a civilization of an urban, Mediterranean elite into the first medieval civilization.

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:10 PM
Napoleon observing the fighting at Wagram:

http://www.ifrance.com/napoleonbonaparte/wagram.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:13 PM
A wider view of the battle:

http://www.grenadierbataillon-von-spiegel.de/bilder/images/wagram.jpeg

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 05:20 PM
The Gaugamela one is brilliant.

Alexander looks monstrous, as if there were nothing human in him at all. Everyone else on the battlefield has some kind of emotion.
He has a demonic irresistibility, while Darius, marked with a very human expression, reaches out in vain for what he is losing.

Who said the ancients couldn't be touching !?! It's very expressive. :goodjob:

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:23 PM
"I found the crown of France in the gutter. I picked it up and placed it on a pedestal."

Napoleon's coronation:

http://www.ddg.com/LIS/InfoDesignF96/Emin/napoleon/images/personal/coronation.jpg

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by napoleon526
"I found the crown of France in the gutter. I picked it up and placed it on a pedestal."

Napoleon's coronation:



Napoleon, in the arrogant style of the Nietzschean Superman, crowns himself emperor, while the Pope, whose role this was traditionally, looks on bitterly from the sidelines.

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:38 PM
The Irish Brigade's attack on the Sunken Road at Antietam:

http://www.69thnyvi.homestead.com/files/mk-cw-RaiseColors.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by calgacus
Napoleon, in the arrogant style of the Nietzschean Superman, crowns himself emperor, while the Pope, whose role this was traditionally, looks on bitterly from the sidelines.
:D

Of course! He didn't want to imply that the pope was in any way superior to him.

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 05:53 PM
Well here is the first European emperor, Charles the Great. And he doesn't think he's higher than God ;)

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 05:59 PM
Sorry, double post :o

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 06:01 PM
Here is the "Dying Gaul". Is it the individual Gaul that's dying, or Celtic civilization and its culture? The picture of sadness evokes both. It's very poignant:



http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/dyinggaul.jpg

addiv
Apr 09, 2003, 06:05 PM
Who made that sculpture calgalus? Is it referring to the pre-Roman occupied Gaul?

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 06:16 PM
The statue was found in the gardens which had belonged to Sallust, a Roman historian. It has long been considered a Roman copy of one of the bronze statues dedicated at Pergamon by Attalus I in commemoration of his victories over the Gauls who had invaded Asia Minor in 239 BC. There is a growing acceptance by art historians that the original monument was not of bronze, and that this statue is the original.

But possibly the "Gaul" was originally a Galatian.

napoleon526
Apr 09, 2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by calgacus
But possibly the "Gaul" was originally a Galatian.
You mean the Gauls living in Asia Minor?

addiv
Apr 09, 2003, 06:29 PM
the players of Galatasaray?

Pangur Bán
Apr 09, 2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by napoleon526

You mean the Gauls living in Asia Minor?

Yes, Galatian.

Adebisi
Apr 10, 2003, 02:41 PM
"The Funeral Procession of Charles XII"

This famous Swedish painting shows the funeral procession of Charles XII. The death of Charles XII marked the end of Sweden's time as a military power, forever. The army of Charles XII was one of the most powerful in Europe at its time. Despite its relativly small size Charles XII defeated his enemies time after time.

The wounded soldiers carrying the stretcher symbolize the last remains of the Carolinian army.

nixon
Apr 11, 2003, 06:17 AM
Russian soldier on the roof of the German Reichstag in 1945.

insurgent
Apr 11, 2003, 08:37 AM
The Greatest Mistake in Modern History:
Molotov signing the non-aggression pact with Germany in 1939 - secret protocols included the division of Poland and the Baltics. Stalin and Ribbentrop stand behind Molotov.

insurgent
Apr 11, 2003, 08:48 AM
And a little peace of contemporary history:
Iraqis cheering the arrival of the American liberators.

insurgent
Apr 11, 2003, 08:50 AM
And a quite amazing picture, I think:

The assasination of Sadat:

napoleon526
Apr 11, 2003, 02:44 PM
From a historical gold mine, the Bayeux Tapestry:

Harold paying homage to William. This was part of the basis of William's claim to the throne-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/sacramen.jpg

Death of Edward the Confessor-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/eddeath.jpg

Harold Godwin being crowned King of England-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/coronate.jpg

Duke William builds a fleet to invade England-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/build.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 11, 2003, 02:56 PM
William's invasion force lands at Pevensey-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/leavenorm.jpg

William being informed of Harold's position and possibly of his victory at Stamford Bridge-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/harmove.jpg

Norman cavalry charging the Saxon shield wall-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/spears.jpg

The Saxon shield wall-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/shields.jpg

Rumor was spreading among the Norman troops that William had been killed. William is seen here taking off his helmet and showing his troops that he is still alive-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/alive.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 11, 2003, 03:05 PM
William's archers and cavalry press the attack on the Saxon army-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/armarch.jpg

The death of Harold's brothers, Gyrth and Leofwin-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/gyrthleo.jpg

Harold it hit in the eye with an arrow, then hacked to pieces by Norman cavalry-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/hdeath.jpg

The Saxon army breaks and flees-
http://hastings1066.com/pics/retreat.jpg

Pangur Bán
Apr 11, 2003, 05:08 PM
A sad image of defeat for the French. An image of French humiliation:



http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/hitlerparis.jpg

Pangur Bán
Apr 11, 2003, 05:13 PM
This is a strange picture, tantalizingly capturing an age and place in history that might have turned out differently for those who are now the less fortunate:



http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/indiangrammar.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 11, 2003, 05:21 PM
Do we know who those guys standing next to Hitler are?

Pangur Bán
Apr 11, 2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by napoleon526
Do we know who those guys standing next to Hitler are?

I was going to ask that myself.

How long will you keep that avatar napoleon? He's the one Iraqi I like.

Pangur Bán
Apr 11, 2003, 05:36 PM
Unification of Germany in the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles - sorry France :eek:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/mirrors.jpg


Here is the great Bismarck himself:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/bismarck.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 11, 2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by calgacus
How long will you keep that avatar napoleon? He's the one Iraqi I like.
As long as makes me giggle every time I look at it.

Magnus
Apr 13, 2003, 02:02 PM
Sorry, double post!

Magnus
Apr 13, 2003, 02:02 PM
How about this picture where Trotsky was edited out of Photographs after Stalinist practises of re-writing history.


Original Photograph with Trostsky next to Lenin
http://www.newseum.org/berlinwall/commissar_vanishes/images/photos/7_lg.jpg

Retouched photograph issued when Trotsky (and others, it seems) fell into disfavour
http://www.newseum.org/berlinwall/commissar_vanishes/images/photos/8_lg.jpg

Indrius
Apr 14, 2003, 05:56 PM
The end of the USSR, Perestroyka in Vilnius, the capital city of Lithuania. You can see a huge meeting and Soviet militia (in uniforms). 1990.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 17, 2003, 01:56 AM
A map which shows Modern Greece at the height of her expansion at the expense of a Turkey led by Mustapha Kemal (later Ataturk). This image captures better than any other Greece's obsession with the Megali Idea (the reconquest of Constantinople and the Asia Minor coast). It depicts Eleftherios Venizelos in the corner (one of the architects of this plan) and indicates the areas occupied by Greece during Turkey's War of Independence. This was a disastrous war for Greece and Turkey and set the tone for future relations of mistrust and hatred. The end of this failed plan saw the emergence of Turkey with her current frontiers, the end of Allied control of Istanbul and the creation of two homogenous nations (Greece and Turkey).

Peri
Apr 17, 2003, 07:11 AM
still cant make it work im afraid

D' Artagnan
Apr 17, 2003, 08:11 AM
It's easy. Right-click on the picture u want to attach. Go to properties, copy/paste the URL shown, then place [*IMG] and [*/IMG] (w/o the stars) before and after the URL, like you do when u quote...
Hope this helps

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 17, 2003, 06:47 PM
The beginning of the end for the Berlin Wall - the symbol of the Cold War.

cgannon64
Apr 17, 2003, 09:40 PM
That photo of the Spanish soldier at the moment of death, just being caught with the bullet, is a terrible, and yet amazing, photo. I think it totally sums up the human element of war, war being the part of society that has affected all of history. I'll try to find it.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:03 AM
I believe you mean Robert Capa's "Moment of Death".

A truly amazing shot by an anti-war war photographer!

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:07 AM
Cortes meets Montezuma...the fateful day which spelt the beginning of the end for the Aztec Empire.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:36 AM
The face that launched a thousand ships...Helen (of Troy) being abducted by Paris. The mythical cause for the great war of Troy.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:37 AM
The great poet himself - Homer.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:45 AM
Another one in the Greek tradition:

The battle at Thermopylae...what a few determined can do against a larger force.

When Leonidas was told by the Persian envoys that Xerxes had enough archers to cover the sky in darkness, Leonidas is claimed to have responded, "Then we shall fight in the shade".

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:57 AM
Hirohito stands with McArthur after the Japanese surrender. This photo strangely captures America's dominance of Japan.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 01:58 AM
After the defeat Hirohito had claimed he was not a god, but a mortal, a mere man. He changed out of his military uniform and into civilian clothing, and replaced his stern, unsmiling, god-like image with that of a humble, smiling grandfather figure. He and his wife Nagako set off on a unprecedented tour to visit the Japanese people in cities and villages, to meet them face to face, to shake their hands. After the initial shock of hearing Hirohito claim he was not a god, many Japanese cheerfully accepted his new image and continued to venerate him, formally bowing to him as they had always done. He now returned their bows and smiles. Until his death, some Japanese remained vocal critics of Emperor and continued to point out his responsibility for Japan's defeat and for brutal war crimes committed in his name.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 02:17 AM
Octavian Augutus' landmark to peace and personal power - the Ara Pacis.

Picture below is of the relief of imperial sucession. Behind Augustus stands Agrippa (architect of many of his victories and the Pantheon) but he died before him so the sucession went to the unstable descendents of the Julio-Claudians.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 02:19 AM
And another relief from the Ara Pacis (which Mussolini the imbecile moved from its original position). This one shows Pax (peace) enthroned. The symbolism is clear...peace reaign in the land which is overflowing with abundance as a result. Pretty good message...

Plexus
Apr 18, 2003, 02:23 AM
732 AD at the battle of Tours, if the Franks lost this battle, we could all very well be Muslims.

http://www.omdurman.org/martel1.jpg

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 18, 2003, 02:26 AM
Get out! Take that and that....

The Ottoman Turks trying to breach Constantinople in 1453. The Fall of the Queen of Cities.

napoleon526
Apr 18, 2003, 06:26 AM
From Trajan's column:

Trajan addressing his troops-
http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~ctr/images/trajan_photo_2.jpg

napoleon526
Apr 18, 2003, 06:33 AM
Inscription on Trajan's column. Notice how the letters at the bottom are smaller, so that when read from below all letters seem to be the same size-
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/users/english/palwork/week02/romcaps.jpg

D' Artagnan
Apr 18, 2003, 09:48 AM
The first human landing on the moon : http://www.zem.sk/images/news/apollo-fake_medium_1036745224.jpg

test_specimen
Apr 18, 2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by D' Artagnan
The first human landing on the moon : http://www.zem.sk/images/news/apollo-fake_medium_1036745224.jpg

That's what you say!


"space may be the final frontier
but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

Indrius
Apr 18, 2003, 04:01 PM
yeah. There's no atmosphere, so there's no wind. But somehow the flag is flying.

Titan2018
Apr 19, 2003, 08:01 AM
"space may be the final frontier
but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

yeah. There's no atmosphere, so there's no wind. But somehow the flag is flying.

:aargh::aargh::aargh: You CAN'T be serious about that. You poor deluded fools. You can find answers to any challenge or accusation you can throw at the moon landings at Bad Astronomy (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html) and a debunking of the claims Fox made in their "special" awhile back can be found here (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html+) .

Anyway, here's another great one. http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2001-000009.jpg

It's the famous photo taken from lumar orbit by apollo 8 as the Earth came into sight.

allhailIndia
Apr 19, 2003, 10:03 AM
Although regrettably I don't have the particular picture with me or know where it might me be found, I remember seeing a Discovery program about it.

It is a photo taken during the Vietnam War by a vietcong photographer of the life being led by the people living underground trying to keep the Ho Chi Minh trail alive. This particular photograph shows three teenaged girls singing and clapping with a Vietnamese musical instrument, in the underground shelters.

What is most poignant about this was the fact that there was no light whatsoever in the tunnels and the photographer was forced to use gunpowder from discarded cartridges to light up the girls' faces and yet it only seems to add to the beauty of the moment.

Here they were, living in a cramped tunnel, facing severe bombardment and facing an uncertain future against a powerful enemy, yet they were singing and clapping as though it were no more than a camping trip.

This to me is the image of history of all ages and times and reflects just about every aspect of human life.

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 23, 2003, 11:58 PM
The fall of Rhodes but not the end of the Knights Hospitallers (my God the headache they gave Suleyman in Malta...maybe he shouldn't have been so magnanimous?)

Porphyrogenitos
Apr 24, 2003, 12:00 AM
The Knights Hospitallers examining the defenses of Rhodes prior to their surrender. The protected harbour can be seen in the background (minus the Colossus of Rhodes which had become scrap metal)

Indrius
May 01, 2003, 07:43 AM
This one I like.

insurgent
May 01, 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Indrius
yeah. There's no atmosphere, so there's no wind. But somehow the flag is flying.

:lol:

The fact is that the flag was supported horizontally by a stick keeping it strait. Also, though there's no wind, the astronauts fumbled, touched, and moved it. Of course it was moving too...

Get your facts straight.

I find those conspiracy theories amusing, but they're nothing more than that - ridiculous and obsessed conspiracy theories.

Something that doesn't amuse me, but rather makes me furious, is when conspiracy theorists mock this historic event as a Jewish/American or whatever conspiracy too:

http://911digitalarchive.org/images/files/712.500px.pjpeg

Just consider the sheer scale of this atrocity:

http://911digitalarchive.org/images/files/751.500px.jpeg

Seconds before the second crash, the media was already ready and waiting for what was to become the most documented event in history:

http://911digitalarchive.org/images/files/1200.500px.pjpeg

http://www.september11news.com/JamesNachtweyTime_cross.jpg

Finmaster
May 03, 2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Indrius
yeah. There's no atmosphere, so there's no wind. But somehow the flag is flying. There's more to it - look at the shadows!!! They are not "in line"; compare the shadow of the astronaut with the shadow of the shuttle (or whatever that is). And take also look at the shadow that the flag casts. Pretty strange eh? Creates a strong feeling of that shot being taken in a studio, where all the lighting has been set beforehand.

And why on earth can't you see any stars when you're on the moon?!? :confused: Oh right, because it's not really the moon :p

trevor
May 03, 2003, 10:14 PM
Have you even looked at Bad Astronmy? If so, and have read the section on the "moon hoax", then you are a fool; a big one.

insurgent
May 04, 2003, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by Finmaster
There's more to it - look at the shadows!!! They are not "in line"; compare the shadow of the astronaut with the shadow of the shuttle (or whatever that is). And take also look at the shadow that the flag casts. Pretty strange eh? Creates a strong feeling of that shot being taken in a studio, where all the lighting has been set beforehand.

And why on earth can't you see any stars when you're on the moon?!? :confused: Oh right, because it's not really the moon :p

There's one explanation to both those questions. And you would learn it if you read Bad Astronomy.
When the sun shines, it gives light. And that creates shadows. When the sunshine hits the Earth, it is rejected and reflects on the atmosphere, the clouds, the sea, and even on land. Therefore, the earth shines too, and considering how close the Moon is to the Earth, the Earth light would logically make shadows on the moon. Therefore there are shadows pointing in different directions.
Also, if it was done in a studio (which it wasn't) - don't you think those effect professionals would have taken that into account? And the same with the other thing. Why would they not have stars in the background of the picture?
The thing with the stars isn't strange either. You're looking from the sunny side of the Moon. You're looking directly at the Earth. In other words, you're standing at daylight looking at a powerful source of light. Would you really expect stars?

Read Bad Astronomy before coming with those plainly ignorant accusations.

Finmaster
May 04, 2003, 06:17 AM
I went to Bad Astronomy. I found the page to be hard to navigate and during those 2 minutes I spent there, I did not find any texts regarding the questions I posted. I wish I had hours and hours to read all the articles through, but I haven't. If the page cannot provide instant answers or if it is hard to navigate, I won't waste my time reading it.

About the star thing: That might be understandable.

But the shadows... no, that doesn't make any sense. So you are saying that the reason why the shadow of the man differs from the shadow of the shuttle because one is affected by the sun and the other is affected by the earth? They are both standing right next to each other! It doesn't make sense that they would take their shadows from such different places. If the objects stood miles away from each other, then it would be understandable that they'd get their shadow from a different light. But since they are not, there can't be such a huge diffderence in their shadows - it simply isn't possible when they're standing basically at the exact same place.

lord_byron_nz
May 04, 2003, 07:21 AM
I went to Bad Astronomy. I found the page to be hard to navigate and during those 2 minutes I spent there, I did not find any texts regarding the questions I posted. I wish I had hours and hours to read all the articles through, but I haven't. If the page cannot provide instant answers or if it is hard to navigate, I won't waste my time reading it.

:rolleyes:

Did it ever occur to you that not everything can provide instant answers. If you are unwilling to read a dissenting argument because of it's length or complexity, you are simply proving your own ignorance. There is no way that you can claim to have the correct assertion in a debate when you flatly refuse to even consider the alternative because it does not match your's in simplicty.

I guess you wouldn't read Gibbon or Tolstoy because they are too long, right?

Finmaster
May 04, 2003, 07:36 AM
Not ignorance. Just lazyness :D

Hey, I like Leo Tolstoi's books! It's just that I read them in Finnish, not in English. It seriously takes me hours to read such articles as in Bad Astronomy in a foreign language.

insurgent
May 04, 2003, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Finmaster
But the shadows... no, that doesn't make any sense. So you are saying that the reason why the shadow of the man differs from the shadow of the shuttle because one is affected by the sun and the other is affected by the earth? They are both standing right next to each other! It doesn't make sense that they would take their shadows from such different places. If the objects stood miles away from each other, then it would be understandable that they'd get their shadow from a different light. But since they are not, there can't be such a huge diffderence in their shadows - it simply isn't possible when they're standing basically at the exact same place.

If you look closely, you will see that all the objects have two shadows. They are all affected by two sources of light.

lord_byron_nz
May 04, 2003, 09:26 AM
In an attempt to get this excellent thread back OT:

The battle of Birmingham:

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/history/brinkley/3651/photos/sixties/Birmingham3.jpg

Martin Luther King delivering his "I Have a Dream" speech in Washington DC:

http://www.abbeville.com/civilrights/images/127-thumb.jpg

Pangur Bán
May 10, 2003, 05:43 PM
Alaric at the sack of Rome (410)

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/Picts/bad_posture_2.gif

Pangur Bán
May 10, 2003, 05:48 PM
Raphael's "School of Athens", with Aristotle and Plato in the centre, bringing a romantic but distorted view of Athens's golden age:

Those that have been positively identified using accurate historical evidence are: Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Pythagoras, Euclid, Alcibiades, Diogenes, Ptolemy, Zoroaster and Raphael. Plato is in the center pointing his finger to the heavens while holding the Timaeus, his treatise on the origin of the world. Next to him, his younger pupil Aristotle holds a copy of his Ethics while describing the earth and the wide realm of moral teaching with his extended hand in an elegant horizontal gesture.

http://ccins.camosun.bc.ca/~jbritton/goldslide/school_athens.jpg

Pangur Bán
May 10, 2003, 05:58 PM
The Vision of Constantine the Great before th battle of the Milvian Bridge, a turning point in the history of the world.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/sterk/ImagesLA/RaphaelHocSigno.jpg

Pangur Bán
May 10, 2003, 06:06 PM
This is, Christ Pantocrator, ruler of Heaven and Earth from Sinai in the 500s. It's 1500 years old. Your supposed to see it from below. From that point, one eye looks down, and one eye looks up to affinity while he gives benediction, i.e. it illustrates his dual nature. It's one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen:

http://www.unf.edu/classes/freshmancore/core1images/jesus-icon-sinai6c.jpg

naervod
May 10, 2003, 06:44 PM
This was one of the defining moments of the 20th century. The bomb is dropped on Nagasaki:

naervod
May 10, 2003, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by napoleon526
Do we know who those guys standing next to Hitler are?

I believe the one to the left (our left, not Hitler's) is Albert Speer, but I am not sure who the other one is.

Since this is an old question from this thread, here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=910407#post910407) is the link to the pic.

Sullla
May 10, 2003, 09:14 PM
I'll add this photo from one of the Nazi mass rallies at Nuremburg in the 1930s:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/zeppfields1930s.jpg

I've always considered that to be one of the most frightening images I've ever seen.

Titan2018
May 10, 2003, 11:26 PM
I went to Bad Astronomy. I found the page to be hard to navigate and during those 2 minutes I spent there, I did not find any texts regarding the questions I posted. I wish I had hours and hours to read all the articles through, but I haven't. If the page cannot provide instant answers or if it is hard to navigate, I won't waste my time reading it.

I'll make it easy for you so you will have no more excuse to remain ignorant of the facts.

Debunking of the FOX "special" (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html)
a site with detailed explainations (http://www.clavius.org/)
demonstrations of photographic anomalies using models (http://www.iangoddard.net/moon01.htm)
Bad Astronomy's page on the "Moon Hoax" (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html)

Take the time to read a few of these and you'll see that the conspiracy theorist are nuts.

Porphyrogenitos
May 12, 2003, 02:11 AM
The Christ Pantocrator icon from St Catherine's Monastery is indeed a beautiful work (live is trully better). Though painted in the 6th century it also belongs to period of turbulent history - the byzantine iconoclasm. Only three areas survived the purge, Ravenna, Sicily and Sinai...the reason is astoundingly simple - they were on the frontiers of the Empire and as such retained a degree of safety from the iconoclasts.

And here is the poor hapless emperor Alexius I Comnenus who had to put up with the likes of Robert Guiscard, Bohemond and of course the First Crusade.

Porphyrogenitos
May 12, 2003, 02:16 AM
...and the woman who told us all about Alexius and became the first female historian ever in the process - Anna Comnena (his daughter). The picture reads "Anna Comnena dictating the Alexiad".

Porphyrogenitos
May 12, 2003, 10:19 PM
The Boys at Yalta.

"Now...what to do to those naughty Germans..."

Pangur Bán
May 31, 2003, 08:41 PM
Columbus, landing in the New World.

http://www.ptb.de/de/blickpunkt/nanowelten/bilder/columbus.jpg

Pangur Bán
May 31, 2003, 08:46 PM
Neil Armstrong on the moon:

Sorry, it's already been posted :eek:

Hitro
May 31, 2003, 09:12 PM
Fritz Walter and Sepp Herberger after the "Miracle of Berne" (4th July, 1954):

Cimbri
Jun 01, 2003, 04:45 AM
The fall of Kabul 2002 (Check out the guy with the RPG :p)

Edit: Mr. Insurgent allready postet 9/11-01. I'll post the aftermath.

Cimbri
Jun 01, 2003, 04:46 AM
Balkans 1999

Cimbri
Jun 01, 2003, 04:47 AM
The Chechen Conflict 1996

Cimbri
Jun 01, 2003, 04:49 AM
South America 1989

Cimbri
Jun 01, 2003, 04:49 AM
Northern Ireland 1971

Pillager
Jun 01, 2003, 05:38 AM
No pictoral thread on history is complete without:

http://www.oldhousebooks.co.uk/Assets/Empire%20Map1.jpg

naervod
Jun 01, 2003, 11:28 PM
Some of the bravest men in the world, about to storm the beaches of Normandy.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/msgfisher/ww2-n.jpg

Porphyrogenitos
Jun 01, 2003, 11:29 PM
The anniversary of which is swiftly coming upon us...

Mrogreturns
Jun 02, 2003, 02:01 AM
I don`t have a still of it, but in a number of documentories dealing with the invasion of Normandy I have seen a short piece of film showing British or Canadian troops on a landing craft heading fo the beach. The dorr is about to come down and one fellow pats the shoulder of the man in front as if to encourage him. I always find it very poignant and wonder what became of them.

dannyevilcat
Jun 02, 2003, 02:23 AM
The death of Gen. Wolfe on the Plains of Abraham, where the decisive battle between the English and French in Canada (in which the commanders of each army fell) took place.

SpikeSpiegelJKD
Jul 15, 2003, 03:49 AM
One of the photos taken from space on the space shuttle Challenger's last mission.

cgannon64
Jul 15, 2003, 08:32 AM
One of the greatest images of average people standing up to oppression, the unknown protestor stopping a tank at Tiananmen Square in 1989:

http://image.pathfinder.com/time/asia/features/asian_education/images/tiananmen.jpg

EDIT: Found a bigger one.

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegelJKD
One of the photos taken from space on the space shuttle Challenger's last mission.
THAT is one of the coolest pictures i've ever seen. :goodjob:

Jorge
Jul 15, 2003, 09:39 AM
Battle of Lepanto (1571)

The Christian fleet lead by Don Juan de Austria defeats the Ottomans.

Jorge
Jul 15, 2003, 09:42 AM
May the 3rd 1808.

Spanish Independence war (Peninsular War) against Napoleon begins. French troops shoot at people in Madrid.

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 09:45 AM
Napoleon meeting the defeated Emperor Francis of Austria after the battle of Waterloo. Tsar Alexander I chose to flee.

http://www.krischanphoto.com/austria/1792/1805nap2.jpg

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 09:50 AM
Young General Bonaparte defeats a superior Austrian force a Rivoli:

http://www.ifrance.com/napoleonbonaparte/rivoli.jpg

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 09:53 AM
The Surrender at Appomattox. Lee arrived resplendent in a new full dress uniform, while the only hint that Grant was anything more than a private were his 3-star shoulder straps.

http://www.milartgl.com/images_2_b/b_surrinder_at_appomattox.jpg

Jorge
Jul 15, 2003, 09:59 AM
The surrender of Breda. 1625

Justino de Nassau surrenders the city of Breda to the spanish.

cgannon64
Jul 15, 2003, 10:43 AM
Is that a painting Napoleon? (The Surrender.)

It has surprising depth for a painting. :eek:

puglover
Jul 15, 2003, 04:13 PM
Raising the flag at Iwo Jima.

http://www.iwojima.com/images/main_small.gif

The sinking of the Arizona at Pearl Harbor

http://www.ibiscom.com/images/ph04.jpg

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by cgannon64
Is that a painting Napoleon? (The Surrender.)

It has surprising depth for a painting. :eek:
It is a painting. One of my favorites.

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 05:18 PM
Political cartoon drawn during the peace talks that lead to the Treaty of Amiens between Britain and Napoleon (1803). Both parties are literally carving up the world.

http://www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/images/road-to-waterloo.jpg

napoleon526
Jul 15, 2003, 05:28 PM
The CSS Virginia, formerly the USS Merrimack:
http://www.historialago.com/av_n_aba_virginia_01.jpg

Some of the crew on the deck of the Virginia's foe, the USS Monitor:
http://www.historyroom.com/The%20Monitor.jpg

The famous duel. The USS Cumberland (background right) and the USS Congress (background left) are sinking, while the USS Minnesota (background center) has run aground.
http://www.historyroom.com/Monitor%20v%20Merrimack.jpg

Xen
Jul 20, 2003, 07:39 AM
Not history persay, but a stunning piece of neoclassical art, found under name of- St. George slays the dragon

Xen
Jul 21, 2003, 09:25 PM
Alexander defeats Darius at the Battle Of Gaugamela

Xen
Jul 21, 2003, 09:26 PM
Alexandre accepts the surrender of Porus

Xen
Jul 21, 2003, 09:27 PM
and so it begins- the victory, and the retreat of the 10,000 greek mercenaries in the employ of Cyrus the usurper to the black sea

Xen
Jul 21, 2003, 09:28 PM
after MANY hardships, Xenophon and the 10,000 reach the black sea

napoleon526
Jul 22, 2003, 11:17 PM
One of the most horrifying images of the Vietnam War. General Nguyen Ngoc Loan about to execute a suspected VC prisoner:

http://www.treefort.org/~cbdoten/rvntanks/sp071632.jpg

Kshatriya
Jul 23, 2003, 04:58 PM
Battle of Hydaspes

http://joseph_berrigan.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hydaspeselephant.gif

nonconformist
Jul 24, 2003, 12:38 PM
http://www.nettlesworth.durham.sch.uk/time/wdday.jpg

The landings on D day


http://webideas.com/tokarev/images/attack.gif

Russian soldier with a pistol.

http://www.multied.com/ww2/events/images/parisliberated.gif

A massive group of American soldiers march through liberated Paris showing the end of German occupation.

Pangur Bán
Aug 17, 2003, 01:12 AM
Sardis, where Croesus reign from in Lydia - the place where coinage was probably invented :hmm:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/sardis.jpg

Pangur Bán
Aug 17, 2003, 01:14 AM
Same palce. I took this after I was dumped on the hioghway in the early hours of one morning last year:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/sardis01.jpg

Pangur Bán
Aug 17, 2003, 01:15 AM
Again, I took this, from the top of the rock. You can see why this citadel was important. :)

(I nearly lost my life in the descent :eek: )

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/sardis02.jpg

test_specimen
Aug 17, 2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Jorge
The surrender of Breda. 1625

Justino de Nassau surrenders the city of Breda to the spanish.

The painting reminds strikingly of the surrender of Granada to the Christians on a painting (?) in Granada, though I'm not sure where I saw it, perhaps in the chapel attached to the cathedral. The moors also hand over the key of the city to the Christian army, before the siege would have destroyed the city.

Pangur Bán
Dec 10, 2003, 03:24 AM
A Solidus from the reign of Heraclius :)

Note the cross. Persian invasions seem to make christianity more important symbolically.

Pangur Bán
Dec 10, 2003, 03:30 AM
An early Islamic imitation:

Xen
Dec 10, 2003, 03:39 AM
well, speaking of coins, here is one of real interest- its an image of a young hannibal- as dipicted by his fellow country men in Carthago Nova...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/carthago-nova-coin-o.jpg

Ossric
Dec 10, 2003, 04:23 AM
The Vienna Convention 1815

http://www.lionsclubanzionettuno.it/images/tav8.jpg

Ossric
Dec 10, 2003, 04:28 AM
British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain returned from Munich in 1938

http://www.afri.buz.org/the-treaty-of-nice/chamberlain.jpg

Ossric
Dec 10, 2003, 04:38 AM
Marathon

http://www.skidmore.edu/classics/courses/2002fall/cc226/marathon.jpg

http://www.skidmore.edu/classics/courses/2002fall/cc226/MarathonSalamis.jpg

Salamis

http://www.skidmore.edu/classics/courses/2002fall/cc226/salamis-aerial.jpg

raen
Dec 10, 2003, 09:10 AM
"The Carnation Revolution (Portuguese: Revoluçăo dos Cravos or 25 de Abril) was a bloodless left-leaning revolution started on April 25, 1974, in Lisbon, Portugal, that effectively changed the Portuguese regime from a fascist dictatorship to a liberal democracy in the end of a two-year process.

"Bloodless" must be qualified however: the governmental forces killed four people before surrendering. However, this revolution is peculiar in that the revolutionaries did not use direct violence to achieve their goals.

April 25 is one of the major holidays in Portugal, usually a day of celebration and joy, though some right-wing sectors of population still regard the developments after the coup d'état as pernicious for the country.

Carnation is the symbol of this revolution, since soldiers put these flowers in their guns, in what came to symbolise the absence of violence for changing the regime in Portugal - a regime that had been one of the longest dictatorships of the 20th century."

raen
Dec 10, 2003, 09:17 AM
One real picture of this revolution:

nonconformist
Mar 10, 2004, 02:29 PM
bump bumpity bump

http://www.temple.edu/history/Berlin_Wall.jpg

in 1961 the Berlin Wall was constructed. 28 years later, Berlin was reunited. It is one of the most beautiful sights that I have ever seen on photos. It is magnificent, and it moves me so much evey time I see one of the images.

Alex the Great
Mar 13, 2004, 09:30 PM
The shots heard round the world:

aaminion00
Mar 13, 2004, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Alex the Great
The shots heard round the world:

lol, the first case of American propaganda

gael
Mar 13, 2004, 10:38 PM
I seen a great painting on-line of Goths charging out of the woods at a roman legion.
I can't remember were i seen it, and i've tried to look for it again with no results.

I can't remember the name of it, something like gothic charge...but thats probably way off.

Does anyone know the painting I'm talking about? I'd really like to see it again.

Alex the Great
Mar 16, 2004, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by aaminion00


lol, the first case of American propaganda

find me a better picture and ill be happy to change it. And hey, it was for a good cause.;)

stalin006
Mar 16, 2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Xen
Not history persay, but a stunning piece of neoclassical art, found under name of- St. George slays the dragon

ive seen that plenty of times from different nations.

whats the story of St. George and the dragon?

Marla_Singer
Mar 16, 2004, 10:16 PM
This is "Liberté guidant le peuple" (Freedom Guiding the People) painted by Delacroix :

http://www.lemondedesarts.com/images/Delacroix44.jpg







This is the Russian Tanks in Prague after the Spring in 1968 :

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/KontinuitaetUndWandel_photoPragerFruehling/index.jpg



This is the memorial dedicated to Jan Palach and Jan Zajic. The two czechs who successively burned themselves in 1969 on Venceslas Square, in Prague, to protest against the Red Army which has stolen their freedom 6 months before.

http://www.ceskapolitika.cz/fotogalerie/obr6/PalachZajic.GIF

Xen
Mar 16, 2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by stalin006


ive seen that plenty of times from different nations.

whats the story of St. George and the dragon?
no idea actually, merelyl the name i found in under when looking for suitabke candidates for a roman helmeted head to be my avatar at the time

nonconformist
May 24, 2004, 01:47 PM
http://www.yale.edu/libs/whip/Image32.jpg

Lech Walesa, head of the Polish Solidarity trade union movement, in the shipyards, and later to become the first President of free Poland.