I figured this is probabley the best place to ask people what "mythical civilazations" in habit regional mythology from, well varios regions:) of the world, this is all to aid in my upcoming mod/scenario where each culture group has a civilazation from its regional mythology added in to the, for example the mediterrainian culture group will get Atlantis( although a replacement to that kraken as the atlantian UU will ahve to surface, mabey a foot marine in the ancient age sort of thing...)but more info can be found in the creation & customization forum area, i would be very grateful for potential city lists as well, thank you in advance, and all hail Alexander:worshp:

Is your mod going to be for civ3 or previous versions?

Atlantis is IMO more of a legend than mythology. For Mediterranean Civ you could take the Olymp as a mythological home. If you would follow this, you could also get more than by an Atlantis concept (since there are not so many sunken civilizations without traces). Nordic could be Midgard. For the Middle East some sort of Gilgamesh civ would be good, though I'm not sure if there is much information available.

The problem is, that there are not that many mythological civilizations. Perhaps you are thinking of Middle Earth, but I don't think too many alternate worlds have been invented. The adventures of Hercules can be traced across the mediterranean, even if there are few definite places named (except for Atlas, etc.). So this was based, at least geographically, on the real world.

I suggest

European Group

Elves, Fairies, Goblins, Leprechauns, Ogres, Trolls

America group:

Atlanteans (anything new age)

Mediterranean group

Minoans (Minotaur and Topless Priestesses)

Asian group:

Komodo & Chinese Dragons
6 Armed Butch Indian Women

African Group

Prester John or Pygmies

Australasian

Dreamtimers

Antarctica

Penguins, seals & walrusses.

Mythical civilizations as such are few and far between unless you want to take gods/pantheons as civilizations. You would do better with the historic civilizations/races which appear in epics and which are tinged with mythologial aura.

Examples: The Colchians (of Jason and the Argonauts fame),
the Phaeacians (of the Odyssey fame), the Amazons (Alexander Romance), the Latins/Sabines (of mythical fame, not the real life ones, led by Latinus and Turnus from the Aeneid) and of course where would we be without the Trojans. You may also wish to consider the Underworld/Hades as a civ (definately interesting). There are numerous entrances to Hades in antiquity (Elysian Fields etc) and many a galant hero has ventured there.

If you are looking at godheads to lead civs then:

For the Indian's you could add, the Vedic Gods or the later Puranic Gods. Names to throw around: Krishna, Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha. Oldest civilizations (near mythical but mostly historical) could be the Harappan and Mohenjodaro civilizations of India.

African: Ananasi and Mulungi are the famous gods. For civs you could choose tribal names.

[To EdwardTking: Prestor John's kingdom lay in India actually. Have a look at Umberto Eco's book "Baudolino". Pygmies also abound here, as do other exotic and unbelievable animals.]

Atlantis should belong to Europe as it was chronicled in Plato (though many have assumed it to be in the Atlantic). Olympus was also suggested.

The Americans have plenty of American Indian myths to fill up an encyclopedia so it won't be hard finding them (look at Cherokee or Sioux myths in particular). For the Americas you could also add the Olmecs (again historic but clouded in mystery) or dig up some stuff on Aztec/Inca god worship off the net. I don't have my Aztec history books around and the names are too long to remember of the top of my head correctly (Quetzlacoatal is one, confused with Cortes actually upon arrival).

Mid East: Gilgamesh was a mythical super-king of Babylonian extraction so you can go with this. Enkidu, Shamash, Humbaba, Ereshkigal (queen of Hell) are other characters wich appear in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

I have to teach a class soon but if I can spare the time I'll throw some more ideas your way.

As far as atlantis goes there will be NO NEW AGE crapola:) in my mod, and it(atlantis) will represent mediterranian civilazation, on a rather large land in the atlantic, other civs will include phonicieans(replacing the carthies)hittites(replacing the ottomans)the basques-a people with a mysterious language who still reside in modern day spain, and southern france(mysterious because science has found no other language closslly related to it) as well as the indus civilazation, i should add in now that this IS NOT, NOR EVER WILL BE A FANTASY MOD OR SCENARIO- only some of the civs will be harder to proove existed :)

actually a lill fantasy might be O.K i was thinking of giving the atlantians and greeks the centaur, but.......

Centaur would be OK for a Minoic or Cretan civ. The greeks could have the hydra, a cyclops or a giant wooden horse.

Atlantis should have some sea unit.

For a Welsh/Briton culture you have the Gwragedd Annwn (with apologies to any Welsh-speakers for a probable mis-spelling).

I belive Atlantis was real. I also believe it was located in South America.

Perhaps you should have called this thread Lost Civilizations as opposed to Civ's of Mythology seeing as you want to keep it fairly real. Mythology implies fantasy and that is why people have replied the way they have.

If you're looking for lost civs then, Bactrians/Assyrians (Arabs), Sogdians (Persia/India), Visigoths/Alemans (Germany), Picts/Saxons (English. A druid like civ would be nice), Minoans/Mycenaeans/Ionians/Dorians (Greece), Phrygians/Trojans/Seljuks (Ottomans), Suevi (France or the Celts will do), Nubians (Egypt/Zulu), Ainu (Japan), Hsi-Hsia (China), Golden Horde/Tatars (Mongols), Basque (Spain), Zimbabwe (Zulu), Olmecs/Inca (Aztecs), Sioux/Apache/Cherokee (Iroquois/America), Khmer/Cambodians (Korea), Etruscans (Rome), Teutons/Eskimo (Vikings), Kingdom of Kiev (Russia).

Hope this helps.

I know of most of those civs, and none of them are lost, i would like Atlantis like places, but apperntlly no one here knows of any

btw the trojans i would think qualify as a proto greek civ just as much as the mycenaeans and minoans, and i belive ionains may have been the name they called themselves, dorians i think are more of a mainland europe civ

I meant lost in the sense of them having been eclipsed by other larger/greater cultural groups (hence the names I suggested) a thing which has made it difficult for historians/archaelogists to know much about them. Many things still remain unknown to us (such as Minoan Linear A, Mycenaean bee-hive structures, Etruscan social structures etc). Many a time we assume values on these 'lost' civs which are more in tune with their later conquerors (the Romans we assume took over Etruscan social structures, hence we assume from that how they lived but it is disputable...the same goes for many of the others).

I am confused by what you infer by Atlantis-like places. I am trying to help you but am at a loss as to how to interpret Atlantis like places...can you clarify?

by "Atlantis like places" i mean the legendary region like Ophir, and Tartessus(not to be confused with Tartessos, an underword in the Archaic Greek religion), places that have some sort of basis, but cannot be pinpointed exactlly, only flleting guess(well Atlantis is solved for the most part, them being Minoans, but that wont stop them from being in the Atlatic :evil:

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!

How about the Kingdom of Sheeba? Does that do?

thats even harder to place than ophir, after all they never say what direction the queen of sheb comes from(its only assumed from what i know, that it was Eithiopia)

Originally posted by EdwardTking
I suggest

European Group

Elves, Fairies, Goblins, Leprechauns, Ogres, Trolls


, Brownies, Dwarves, Centaurs, Amazons, Giants/Titans

There is also the Calpunta/Chachapoyan civilization of Peru (a long lost Amazon jungle civ).

What about El Dorado, the Nabateans (Petra is an awesome place), the Hyperborians (Iceland/Scandinavia), Palau (Micronesia), Rapa Nui/Hiva (Easter Isalnd), Lemuria, Virachoas/Nazca, Anasazi...

Correct me if I'm wrong but your Civ's of Mythology seem to be drawn from Biblical sources. Is this so? There are numerous cities in the bible that have vanished without a trace...

Calpunta/Chachapoyan civilization of Peru (a long lost Amazon jungle civ).

Thats more like it!

btw, lumuria, mu and all that other new age crap-ola will not be appering in scenarior mainlly because they are little more then 20th century inventions of fantasy, also it is ufortunate that i may have to draw any thing from the judeo-christian-islamic holy books, but that may be what i'm forced to do...for a middle eastern civ atleast

For the Chinese part of the world, you can try the Xia. It's the first stated dynasty of China, but one which is uncorrobated by archaeology. As such, it has some mythical aroma.

Though the Shang (which followed) was also unverified until the 'dragon bones' diggings in Anyang later... So the Xia might have existed after all.

Wow for india you havent said 2 of the biggest mythologies:

the mahabaratha and the ramayana!

Wow for india you havent said 2 of the biggest mythologies:

the mahabaratha and the ramayana!

as i polytheist in general, i resent you using the term "mythology" to descirbe components of a religon

(Atlantis is not religious,and i know that tecnically ALL religions are mythologies because no concrete proof can be asceratiened to proove them, but since most people wont call there own religions mythologies,or parts of them that, why should i let people say it about any other, alive or dead, whice i doubt the religion this comes from in paticular is dead, sorry to be so pissed, but as a practioner of the Roman Religion,it is quite appent no one here thinks about such things from there comments.)

In all fairness, the Mahabaratha and Ramayana are epic poems full of mythological happenings. What they are NOT however is mythical civilizations. Also, they are not religious components (though they are full of religious figures) as they are not used for worship (like the Bible for example). I don't think PritomD was being insensitive with what he said.

Atlantis was real! and before them there was another lost continent: Lemuria

btw, that could be a great scenario!

Atlantis was real! and before them there was another lost continent: Lemuria

i've been doing reserch on this for the scen and Lemuria is no more that a new age pop cult invention based on psuedo archeology, there is no evidence for anything like lumuria, unlike atlantis, which seems to firmlly based on the minoan civ in real life, there was no lemuria, its only an ivention of propeganda from sorces similar to those whom would have you belive life, or at least humanity was created by aliens...