Hey all. Anyone wanna play?

I'll start 1. d4

--anand, much better at chess than at civ2

ill play while im waiting for smash.

1.d4...Nf6
2.

i like pirc. i have noticed that most good people, at tournaments and such, open with d4. why is that?

i like pirc. i have noticed that most good people, at tournaments and such, open with d4. why is that?[/B][/QUOTE]

Nice to meet ya!

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4

You're right... GM's for example tend to play d4 slightly more often than e4. I guess it's because you tend to get a longer-lasting positional advantage, and it's safer. And most importantly, you don't have to face the dreaded Sicilian!

You remember the Sicilian don't ya Stellar? http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

yephttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif! i had no idea at the time on how to play it. i knew a defense against dragon, so that what i did.http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif i have read up on it o bit since then though.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6

this is relativley similar to the pirchttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif. had much success with kid at tournaments. how old are you, anand? do you play uscf?

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3

this is relativley similar to the pirc. had much success with kid at tournaments. how old are you, anand? do you play uscf?

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a bit like pirc... this is the king's indian defense. used to be kasparov's favourite!

i'm 22, have been playing in tournaments for around 8 years now. currently CFC (Canadian Chess Fed), not USCF.

what about you? do you still play in tournaments?

im 15, been plaing for a bout a year seriously now. i dont play uscf, but high school tournaments. geez!theres a lot of canadians here.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stellar converter:
im 15, been plaing for a bout a year seriously now. i dont play uscf, but high school tournaments. geez!theres a lot of canadians here.

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Hee hee! We're like a plague.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4

youre telling me!

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6

Originally posted by stellar converter:
youre telling me!

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3



So are you doing well in high school tourneys?

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0

yes, very well. im a sophmore, and i finished in top half at state, and arizona is one of the better chess states. raised rating by over 200 points.

Originally posted by stellar converter:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2

yes, very well. im a sophmore, and i finished in top half at state, and arizona is one of the better chess states. raised rating by over 200 points.



Ah, cool! I didn't realise they had state-wide scholastic tourneys in the U.S.

not just state, nation! last years nationals were in north carolina.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nd7

[This message has been edited by stellar converter (edited January 20, 2001).]

Originally posted by stellar converter:
not just state, nation! last years nationals were in north carolina.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nd7
7. 0-0



Cool! I don't think we have anything like that here in Canada.

BTW I assume you meant 6..Nbd7.

yes, nbd7

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nd7
7. 0-0 c5
8.


i thought you would push h4. if you did, would i respond h5? or would i let it go and counter in center?

Stellar likes premature pawn pusheshttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif.Apparently,they play a pretty aggressive game in his parts.

Originally posted by stellar converter:


1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5


i thought you would push h4. if you did, would i respond h5? or would i let it go and counter in center?



Hmm I think h4 might be a bit premature since yes, black can just counter in the centre with 7..e5. Since 8. h5 is not then an immediate threat, no need to play 7..h5, I think.

After 7. h4 e5 black can just play reasonably... if white doesn't play 8. d5 then black can take on d4 and pressurise the e4-pawn (with re8, nc5, etc.) If white does play 8. d5 then black can play 8..Nc5 along with 9..a5 to keep his knight from getting kicked out via b4. Just normal play for the KID and then I think h4 will have been a wasted tempo.

Hmm, I'm writing essays here http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8

yes, very aggressive.

Originally posted by stellar converter:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6

sorry i been away for so long.http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

Originally posted by stellar converter:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4

sorry i been away for so long.<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

Welcome back http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7

was h6 a good move? is it ok?(i might as well learn something toohttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif)

Originally posted by stellar converter:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2

was h6 a good move? is it ok?(i might as well learn something too)

Seems OK to me... It pushes the B back to just one diagonal (h4-d8 instead of both h4-d8 and c1-h6). Maybe weakens black's kingside a bit though. I'm not sure...

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5

is that a good move? or was it just a waste of a move?

Originally posted by stellar converter:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4

is that a good move? or was it just a waste of a move?

Well, you need to look for a plan in this position. One typical idea is to play for b5, gaining space on the queenside. White usually prevents this via a4, and then black can often force it through a6, Rb8, etc. a5 kind of puts a stop to this plan... although there may be other plans available.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6

me thinks i lose soonhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif possibly. i rarely ever get to play this opening anyway.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7

Originally posted by stellar converter:
me thinks i lose soon<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0> possibly. i rarely ever get to play this opening anyway.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2



King's Indian can get incredibly complex! It's a hard opening to play, for both sides...

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp

i am feelin very uncomfortable...http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6

This might get complicated http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6

this might start to suck for mehttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6
18. dc7 [if 18..Qc7, 19. fe5]

I thought black had a chance to mix things up with 17.. Bg4 18. Qg4 Qd6 when the B is pinned to the N on d2. I was planning something like 19. Qe2 Rad8 20. Rf3, but not sure...

[This message has been edited by anand (edited February 08, 2001).]

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6
18. dc7 Qxp
19. fe5 pxp

i didnt notice any o dat truck. im not really looking in depth at the board. oh well, theres always the next game. i will look at my following games more thoroughly. i think the queen could have come back to e2 to protect both pieces, but i didnt look at that even.

this forum and the off topic forum are the only forums i go to anymorehttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6
18. dc7 Qxp
19. fe5 pxp
20. Bxe7 (if 20..Rxf1+, then 21.Rxf1)

I'm also looking mainly at this forum (and sometimes the strategy one) nowadays...

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6
18. dc7 Qxp
19. fe5 pxp
20. Bxe7 Rxf1+
21. Rxf1 Bxa4
22.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. Nf3 0-0
6. Be2 Nbd7
7. 0-0 c5
8. d5 Ne8
9. Bg5 h6
10. Bh4 Nc7
11. Nd2 a6
12. a4 a5
13. f4 Nb6
14. Bd3 Kh7
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. e5 pxp
17. d6 f6
18. dc7 Qxp
19. fe5 pxp
20. Bxe7 Rxf1+
21. Rxf1 Bxa4
22. Bxg6+

sorry it has taken me so long to get back. that move was what i was afraid of anyway. at least i get my piece backhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif. im at school right now. when i get home, ill post move.

20. Bxe7 Rxf1+
21. Rxf1 Bxa4
22. Bxg6+ KxB

sorry it took so long.

20. Bxe7 Rxf1+
21. Rxf1 Bxa4
22. Bxg6+ Kxg6
23. Qe4+

No worries...

20. Bxe7 Rxf1+
21. Rxf1 Bxa4
22. Bxg6+ Kxg6
23. Qg4+ Kh7

i assumed you meant queen g4 check.?

i am so sorry, i thought there was a pawn in the way! that is obviously a better move(e4). algernon pointed it out to me. my move is:

...i resignhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif. good game. i should have paid more attention at the beginning. was i playing the opening at least partially right? other than that one move where i messed up? oh well. im only 15 there is room for improvementhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif.

Looks like someone has cleared up the misunderstanding for me... http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif Thanks Algernon (hope you're reading this).

Good game, Stellar.

As for comments about the game...

I think in this sort of position black has to pick one solid strategy and stick with it. This boils down fundamentally to picking a pawn structure... the main choices are e5, and after white plays d5 follow through with kingside expansion by f5, (potentially f4 etc. with a mating attack).

OR the other major choice is c5, transposing to a Benoni-type structure. White plays d5. Then black weakens the white centre a bit with e6 and exd5.

White usually recaptures cxd5 to maintain central advantage, which gives black a pawn majority on the queenside. He can use this to expand via a6-b5.

But the whole plan hinges on playing e6 and exd5 successfully... which your early Nbd7 in this game prevented (because on e6, white can play dxe6 and Qd6)

In general I think it's a good idea to decide what setup you're going to use -- KID with e5 or Benoni with c5 -- before committing to moves like Nbd7. After you've played Nbd7, KID is almost a must...

I'm sure you will improve a lot if you keep at it. If you are dedicated to the game, you can improve by leaps and bounds at 15.

In a chess sense, I wish I were 15 again http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif What little improvement I experience nowadays comes to me slowly and painfully. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif