The children of peace

Our goal: We are a citizen group that devotes itself against war and aggressive foreign policies. We, however, do think that a defensive war is legitimate, only if the war was declared by the other nation. We are not a uniform group of people, as we respect the free speech right given to the people of this land.

These are our most important beliefs:

1.No aggressive war is legitimate, may it be for tiles, cities or ressources.
2.We support heavy trading to access ressources and techs we do not own.
3.We support any war declared by the AI, but it must end as soon as possible(as soon as the AI wants to talk with us).

Member list:
Fier Canadien
Bacon King
Chieftess
Andrew 510
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Bootstoots
Noldodan
Naervod
Gingerbread Man
Taé Shala
Sir John
Sheep 2
Mariner II
Civ General
Perfection

***New***
When the citizen group will reach 15 members, the group will begin defining its position in any matter.

The politic definition protocol is the following:

1.The member who desires to create/change a politic posts a discussion thread in the citizen forum (ex.: COP dicussion:[politic]).
2.At least 48 hours after the discussion is posted, a poll can be posted about the integration of the new position in the COP.
a)The poll shall remain opened until 72 hours or until the quorum is reached. The quorum is defined as 66% of the membership that posted at CFC in the last two days.
b)Each poll shall have the following options: Adopt, Reject, Abstain.

N.B.: The group's position is not binding in any way for the member. Each member can have a different position than the group if he wishes to.

I'll join.

I'll join. Sounds like a group from the 70's though. :D

@ Chieftess: This group is existing to oppose any illegitimate war action. It is true that it may look a little bit like the "70ies groups against war, but it can only be good.

i am joining

What if I join both the Brotherhood of Steel and this group?

Im in. Go peace!

as soon as the game starts we will protest republic, you with me?

REPUBLIC!, REPUBLIC!, REPUBLIC! :lol:

@ Bootstoots: It's up to you. As clearly stated in the first post, you can be member without agreeing to all the official citizen group positions. I suppose we can count you in then?

Sure, you can count me in.

I second Immortal, bootstoots. You are appointed as diplomat between COP and BOS.

In the spirit and representative of Tolkien's Elves, specifically the Vanyar, I will join this group.

Great, 7 members in a day!

This group will reach "completion" in only 8 members!

Let's begin to talk about hypothetic positions.

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We can have a President or other leader, elected by us.

Not a president, we don't need such a thing. The only thing we need is an organiser and representant that compiles all the politics and PM, emails and posts for the group. I'll assume that role unless another member wants to try it.

I will also join this group. Even though I am in the Brotherhood of Steel, I believe in these ideals and I feel some of them can be combined. For example a goal of the BoS is to have a strong peacetime army. If we have a strong army in peace, we can easily end any war that is declared against us.

I'll join

I'll join, but I would like to change the make peace as soon as possible to make peace as soon as they dont demand anything from us in exchange for peace.

so if they demand money or techs, or anything for peace, we should say no. Being a peacemonger doesn't mean being kicked around by the inanimate object that is the AI. only sign peace when it is peace for peace, no more, no less.

An excellent group and very well defined but I cannot join the cause. Although I agree with much of what you represent I am a realist and would not wish to abandon what could be very necessary options for our nation.

@ Gingerbread: As soon as possible, you just have to post a proposition to change it.

I join.

Campaign launched:

*Paalikles has launched the "Let's give Peace a Chance" campaign.

@Shaitan: I take it that you do not want to join this group as you want to keep more options open. (victory conditions) Imo, the presence of citizen groups and their beliefs will influence the way the game will turn - and this group will perhaps advocate strongly the way of Peace. Hopefully people will feel that their opinion has a good deal of influence on the way the game progresses, and thus citizen groups will be an important aspect of the democracy game without even becoming political.

So, everyone, we've reached 11 members. I believe that time is ripe to discuss what to propose as the official politic of the group. Don't forget that polling will only begin when we reach 15 members, and that may take quite some time.

So, we can do it that way: someone submits an idea in thhis thread, if he/she feels that the members are interested, he/she posts a discussion thread. As for the rest of it, look in the first post.

@Paalikles: I'm not concerned with victory conditions but with in game opportunities. A restriction to never declare war precludes things like annexation, snatch and grab and preemptive strikes. Those are things I would support under the correct conditions so I can't endorse a never make war charter.

I must admit that some wars are beneficial and necessary (e.g. wars for oil :rolleyes: ) however I would say in those situations avoid darstadly tactics as described on realms beyond. In those situations lets not RoP rape or sneak attack. Not just because it would be respectable, but also because it would be challenging.

Remember we will we be only playing on monarch, which isn't as difficult as before.

I can definitely agree with that. ROP abuse causes a huge reputation hit. It's also simply not a very noble thing to do.

So maybe we can go for a maximum of 2 units per city. This will keep us free and doesn´t make anyone angry.

I don´t think we should commit any war.
:jesus:

Don't forget that the basic "beliefs" that I posted at the beginning were only there to specify what kind of people were wanted in this group. We should now begin to decide a permanent and much more defined politic.

I believe we should now start posting the basis of the permanent charter of this group, begining with war policies.

Any member can post his proposal. A discussion thread will be posted if there is enough participation.

Im in this group as I would like a peacfull game.. :D

I belive we should go to war, but only if there are no other, peaceful alternatives.

Does anybody wants to post a proposal about the war policies or shall I post a thread only about this to get the attention of everyone?

I'll join

Peace is the only way and as Deputy Foriegn Minister I conclude if the other party is willing to talk we should be willing to listen. Go in all swords raised will end our fair empire short on the road to true greatness, the respect of the international community

When the citizen group will reach 15 members, the group will begin defining its position in any matter.

That almost sounds like a political party...

No, CT, as a political party would present official candidates at an election, a thing that I realy don't want to do.

We could start polling before we had 15 members. Why would we need to wait to get 15 anyway?

Too late, already posted the thread, Bootstoots.

Originally posted by Chieftess
I'll join. Sounds like a group from the 70's though. :D

I've always wanted to be a hippie. Ironically, the guy who made this thread is canadian :) Anyways, ya, I'd like to join, but we should support legite wars, like if the AI attacks us, we should allow the war to go on as long as needed. But, say we provoke a war, we could make like a little demonstration, packed with mini picket signs and all the like. Just...not so hippie.

Our Constitutional Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52367) has met quorum and has been closed.

Yes, but there are only 4 verified votes. If someone has voted but hasn't posted his/her vote, this person should vote right now as the polling system can't tell us if a non-member voted.

Therefore, we need to start an open forum vote so that you can verify the votes.

My suggestions for war politics:

1) War is bad, and is to be avoided at all costs.

2) Every possible means to the end are to be considered before war is.

3) If war is declared on us when unprepared, peace will be made once
a) we regain every city we lost, and
b) capture one of their cities for every one of ours they raze, even if it is autoraze

4) If we dont have a resource, we will explore every trade opportunity before we decide war is to be used to aquire the resource

5) We will declare peace as soon as straight peace is offered, e.g. peace for peace would be accepted, peace for peace +10g would not.

6) We will not be kicked around beause we are peacemongers. The enemy has no right to choose our decisions.

7) We understand that a defense force is needed, but offence military is needed if we want to ward off invaders effectively. If we are gifted with a military larger than an opponent's, we will not abuse our position of power.

I know these are fairly warlike for some, but I call it 'being peaceful, but not weak'. If you really want peacemongerage, read CharisTale 2. There Charis was deliberately peaceful and weak. But here we will be strong, yet kind to our neighbours.

@Fier Canadien - I just noticed this from clicking on your link on your Sig and I am interested in Joining this group :).

Well, I can get you in but the group has been dead for a loooooong time. The only chance to get it up and running again would be to adopt the constitution IO proposed... about 2 months ago.

Tought about something: It would be possible, even during the current situation, to revive this group.

If they're at least one other player interested, post in here and i'll manage to get a new constitution ratification thread up and running.

Im interested.

*looks at previous posts* man, this thread was idle for 2 whole months...

I'll join :evil:

Well, Perfection, you can join, but don't expect anything from a dead group.

Okey Dokey