This is the official thread for tracking Royal/Noble/Gentle titles. The second post in this thread will track the individual titles. The third post will track the Royal/Noble houses.

This will also include a pointer to the nobility ruleset when that is finished.

Here is my current list of titles:
Title male (female) Class

"Despot" Royalty
King (Queen) Royalty
Prince (Princess) Royalty
Archduke (Duchess) Royalty

High Lord (Lady) High Noble
Lord (Lady) High Noble
Duke (Duchess) High Noble

Marquis/Margrave (Marquessa) Noble
Earl/Count (Contessa) Noble
Viscount (Viscountess) Noble
Baron (Baroness) Noble

Baronet Gentry (civ)
Knight Gentry (mil)
Squire Gentry (mil)

Royalty
Diutius Lifespanius , Despot (Emperor)
Tasius, "Prince" (Son of Atrous)
Caia Lifespanius Helena, Queen of Gorina
Praeditus Lifespanius Maximus, Prince
Diutia Lifespanius Bellona, Proincess
Schola Lifespanius, Prince
Dexterius Lifespanius, Prince
Draculus Roberts, Prince

Nobility
Marcus Lifespanius, Senior Centurion
Ribeena Lifespanius, Lady
Mellita Roberts, Lady
Lauren, Contessa DiSaaMuel
Honorius Peesea, Marquis
Antonius DePaolo, Marquis
Aurelia DePaolo, Marquessa

Gentry

The House of Atrous
*Atrous "The Great"
*Elenora, wife of Atrous
Tasius, son of Atrous
Helena. daughter of Atrous, wife of Diutius Lifespanius

The House of DePaolo
*Anthony
*Nicole, wife of Anthony
Antonius, "The Great", son of Anthony
Aurelia, wife of Antonius
Antony
Achilles

The House of Taurnaina
*Perianoldo, father of Nambanoldo
*Nambanoldo, father of Poldohtar
Poldohtar, current head of the family
Maltatari, wife of Poldohtar
Laitatan, son of Poldohtar

The House of Lifespanius
*Briefus
*Katra, wife of Briefus
Diutius, son of Briefus
Marcus, son of Briefus
Ribeena, wife of Marcus
Mellita, daughter of Briefus, Wife of Walter Roberts
Praeditus Maximus, son of Diutus
Diutia Bellona, daughter of Diutus
Schola, son of Marcus
Dexterius, son of Marcus

The House of Peesea
*Stuk Aza
Honorius, son of Aza
*Quintus, son of Aza
Agrippina, daughter of Aza

The House of Decimus
*Marcus
*Nirvana, wife of Marcus
*Romana, daughter of Marcus
Sentana, daughter of Romana (illegitimate, by Caesarus)

The House of DiSaaMuel
*SaaMuel
*Jenna, wife of SaaMuel
*Jacqueline
*Bob
Lauren, daughter of SaaMuel
*Brian, son of Lauren
Katherine, daughter of Brian
*Walter Roberts, adopted son of Lauren
*Petrhucio "Pete", son of Walter
Draculus Roberts, son of Walter


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* = Deceased

<Reserved>

A question about the nobility ruleset:

Will the holders of office in the main DG be allowed to have one of their characters assume that "title"? In DG2, the player who held a DG office was given an automatic title in the Peerage.

My personal preference would be to not do this, as our RPG characters have little real relationship with our primary DG roles. This would also seem consistent with the way this game has started, with us being able to overthrow "the Despot" in the RPG, while having no connection to who the elected "President" is in the main DG.

I'd say no. Just as the Pres of the demogame is not the despot in the RPG. Same with the other offices. Now a player could certainly make a character that achieved the same position, it just wouldn't be an automatic thing.

When there are nobles, if they give birth do all their offspring recieve the same title?

Padma, what about Aza and Antonius? They are co-despots, so wouldn'y they be royal?

No. Lines of heredity would pass to the eldest son (eldest child for us since we have ladies and want to be fair). Other children were pretty much on their own but could generally get established using their noble connections. Note that even though they do not hold a title all children of nobles are noble themselves.

Originally posted by Civanator
Padma, what about Aza and Antonius? They are co-despots, so wouldn'y they be royal?

Co-despots? Hardly, they are advisors.


Now, I'd like to make Aza and Antonius nobles.

Aza: I adbicated our throne to Atrous, Antonius. We will regain the despotism upon his death.

@Padma - MY characters are listed as a Gentry, Most of them are on the Lower spectrum. Only one character is on the Upper Gentry (Noval Gontsky), but it will soon be passed down to his son.

How can I get my characters on the "Gentry" list. (I know the Despot at this point would only have the authority of giving nobilities)

Padma: should we also maintain the dead ranked characters in your list? or at least the nobles?
if yes then please add Elenora to the royal list as died in 3300BC

@CG: I try to keep up on the other threads, but I don't always have time to check everything. ;) It is very helpful for players to post changes to their status in this thread (with LINKS to the appropriate post!) so I can be sure to see them. The Character thread is not a good source for this, because of occasional misunderstandings of what is allowed, e.g., people have created "Noble" and "Royal" characters, even though we explicitly said not to.

Also, as Nobility Manager, IMO no one is higher than "unlanded" Lower Gentry at this point, unless and until the Despot raises people to explicit positions.

@dis: That sounds like a good idea, but I fear that as characters are born, live, and die, the length of the list might become unmanagable. I *will* keep track of deceased characters off-line, until I figure out the best way to handle them.

@padma: use a textfile as soon as the post gets too big.
you could maybe maintain a "royal genealogy" in text or graphical files...
or maybe... just use the bloodlines! make one file for each bloodline which hold the characters with birth death and relations between each other (note that "external" links to other lines are possible!). then only post the name of the "bloodline" (for example at the moment, it would be the "d'Atrou bloodline") with a link to the list of characters :-)

here is an example genealogy sheet for the d'Atrou bloodline...
(just to get an idea)
you could of course use standard genealogical programs and graphics to do it :-)

deputy despot is btw imho not a valid title for a noble... not even a valid function... advisors, grand visir, baron, count, etc. would be ok, but not "deputy despot".

Yes, dis, I am thinking about using a geneology program to maintain a "Famliy Tree" (or "trees") for our Noble Lines. It would help simplify tracing family ties down the ages. ;)
Originally posted by disorganizer
deputy despot is btw imho not a valid title for a noble... not even a valid function... advisors, grand visir, baron, count, etc. would be ok, but not "deputy despot". :lol: I know, but I wanted to add Aza and Antonius to the Nobility list, and couldn't think of anything to call them! :lol:

Atrous should define their rank. He must state it ;-)

He did. We are Nobles.
Can I create a family house? Like DeAntonius?

Atrous did refer to them as being "Nobles", so I have included them under the "Nobles" table. But without any further specific titles, I am leaving them as just "Advisors". In any case, they are unlanded Nobles.

And yes, Civanator, as Nobles, you may create family houses.

well, which kind of nobles? Marquis? Earl? Viscount? Baron?
that is the point :-) defining someone noble is not enough, the rank inside nobility has to be defined also ;-)

I'd like to create The House of DePaolo

Certainly, Civanator. Either post, or PM me, the members of that house, and their relationships to each other.

House of DePaolo
Antonius "The Great"
Aurelia (Wife of Antonius)
Anthony (dead) (Father of Antonius)
Nicole (dead) (Mother of Antonius)

A little more detail, please. ;)

Aurelia = Antonius' spouse?
Anthony = Antonius' father?
Nicole = Antonius' mother?

Edit: Beat me to it. :p

Promotion to Noble is legal, right?

the despot can promote people to nobility (but hey plexus! he has to define the title!!!) and take it from them. nobody else can.

My heir is Tasius, he will be rightful despot. But, until Antonius and Aza die, he will not be the ruler. It will be a joint ruling until their deaths.

I would like to promote Izcoatl and Breifus Lifespanius to nobility.

Izcoatl will be teaching my children and Breifus will be thier bodyguard, along with a contingent of loyal Rouge.

The House of Taurnaina
Poldohtar, current head of the family
Maltatari, wife of Poldohtar
Laitatan, son of Poldohtar
Nambanoldo (dead), father of Poldohtar
Perianoldo (dead), father of Nambanoldo

Bodyguards get nobility?
Hey! Aza! Lauren DiSaaMuel needs to have a talk with you!

Stuck: Aza is not in the position to place nobility... at the moment

Plexus: Could you tell me the Titles Atrous is granting, please? "Nobility" isn't really sufficient. And if you don't really want to make someone a "Baron" or "Earl" or whatever, consider making them Upper Gentry instead, with a title like "Grand Vizier", or "Head of the Imperial Guard", or something.

Padma, My name was DePaolo. Sorry, but people spell my name wrong all the time. Drives me nuts :crazyeye:

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
Bodyguards get nobility?
Hey! Aza! Lauren DiSaaMuel needs to have a talk with you!

I believe overseeing the children's welfare would fall under the term Godfather more than Bodyguard, Stuck. But maybe that phrase hasn't been coined yet, who knows...

And i believe Beifus has a real hard time as both children are a bit lively and use him as a big "toy" rather than a bodyguard. Especially Elenora has some of the traits her mother had... and if she kicks you, she kicks you hard :-)

Originally posted by Civanator
Padma, My name was DePaolo. Sorry, but people spell my name wrong all the time. Drives me nuts :crazyeye: Oops! :blush:

I would have sworn I cut & pasted that. I guess I hand-typed it. :(

Fixed.

Thanks Padma. :D

Antonius and Aza will be granted the titles of 'Marquis'.

Brefius and Izcoatl will be 'Barons'.

Aza has a fancy title... Lauren wants some nobility for her and her two sons.. Aza!! Where are ya?

Atrous: My advisor has no abilitry to grant titles, Lauren.

Ah, well be it. My time will come soon and my duty will be passed on to my sons, Walter and Brian. Perhaps they may one day recieve titles..

High Guard Tiberius Herius Sparticus (Herius)

I am submitting my high guard to the upper gentry. (This is it for a while, Padma)

I would like to announce the creation of the House of Peesea. Here are its members:
Stuk Aza Peesea (father of Honorius, Quintus, and Agrippina)
Honorius Peesea
Quintus Peesea
Agrippina Peesea

Also, Civanator, Antonius is not a co-despot as far as I can tell. He is a Noble, but not a Royal.

I would like to announce the creation of House Lifespanius. The Noble family of Baron Briefus Lifespanius can be found here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=52206&pagenumber=2)

I am announcing the creation of the House of Decimus.

House of Decimus
Marcus Decimus, Deceased, Father of Romana, Husband of Nirvana
Nirvana Decimus, Deceased, Mother of Romana, Wife of Marcus
Romana Decimus, Deceased, Daughter of Marcus and Romana.
Caesarus, Deceased, Unknown Man, Father of Sentana, but not Romana's Husband
Sentana Deciumus Head of House, Daughter of Caesarus and Romana Decimus


Note: More characters will be added shortly, and Marcus is not a PC or NPC, ust their for Romana to have a father and Nirvana a husband.

Padma - I am in open revolt against the Despot Atrous. As such, I request that Laitatan be promoted to the rank of Noble.

EDIT: seeing as how Laitatan is dead, this has been rendered void

Padma:
Caia Atrous Helena was now married by Diutius Lifespanius

as such, please rename her to Caia Lifespanius Helena.

As she is a princess now, what will be her future title? And what will be Diutius'es title? Note that his father is a Baron.

I believe that Diutius will now be known as Prince Diutius. And if his father gives him the title of baron as heritage, he may also be baron (and helena baroness) at the same time?

OOC:
note that our royal family tree gets more and more complex :-)

I would think they would be known as Caia Lifespanius Helena, Princess of Fanatica, Baroness of the House of Lifespanius and Diutius Lifespanius, Prince of Fanatica, Baron of the House of Lifespanius, but I may be wrong.

Lauren (SAaM) shall be promoted to noblitiy, she shall be a Countess.

Lauren is now Countessa Lauren DiSaaMuel and is starting up the House of DiSaaMuel
House Of DiSaaMuel
"Rara Avis Sumus"

Oy! too many changes this weekend while I was gone! Give me a day to figure it all out! :D

Time to check out your genealogy program :-)
Families are mixing up!

I have posted updates to the Peerage (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=952856#post952856), and to the Noble Houses (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=952861#post952861). If there are any mistakes, please let me know! ;)

Padma, You have misspelled the first names of both my characters on your lists. Diutius is spelled this way, and Briefus is spelled this way. Just thought I'd keep you on your toes. :) Thanks!

Oh, and btw, Briefus and Katra are still alive at age 35. :D

Fixed. :D

Given all the changes I was working with today, if those are the only mistakes, I will be happy! :crazyeye:

Hy Padma, shouldnt Helena now be listed at the house of Lifespanius? Or at least Have a link to that house?

Also, how will the houses "combine" if diutius and helena get children? Will those be listed in the house of d'Atrous or the house of Lifespanius?

I would like it if Jackie and Bob were added to the DiSaaMuel house post. they served as parents to Walter who is a member of the house.

Saam: I'm trying to figure out the lineage there. :D I though Walter was the son of William & Julia, and raised by Lauren. Where do Jackie & Bob come into the picture? :confused: :crazyeye:

Dis: I'm working on how best to show the "linkages". I will be working on graphic "Family Trees" tonight/tomorrow, so that should help.

As to Diutius' and Helena's children, they will be listed under House Lifespanius, as the most common system in use was/is patriarchy.

Originally posted by Padma

Dis: I'm working on how best to show the "linkages". I will be working on graphic "Family Trees" tonight/tomorrow, so that should help.


Might want to ask Spycatcher to help. :p

There've been a rise in the birthrate recently, especially with a few twins.

Any Chanse of Ceasar Nero to become a noble or a upper gentry for inventing the throwing axe??

@Padma: I have done a lot of genology so I know how to use genology programs. I would be willing to help you if you, well, for example promoted Janus Nero to upper gentry :D

The Royal line of Lifespanius would like to announce that they expanded their family with 2 new twins:

the first born girl "Diutia Lifespanius Bellona", and the boy "Praeditus Lifespanius Maximus"
The parents were Helena and Diutius.

Also take not that the succession up to now will be the folowing:
Bellona will inherit the land her mother owns from the D'Atrous clan as well as the title of "princess"

Maximus will inherit all his fathers titles and functions.


OOC:
bellona will be "controlled" by me, Maximus by cyc.

I am happy to announce the wedding of Mellita, my daughter to Brian, son of Lauren. This will join the house of DiSaaMuel with that of Lifespanius.

The wedding ceremony will be short and private with only a few friends in attendance. May the couple be happy and live long. :)

Yes, there is to be a weding. I just truely hope I can be able to attend, for I may be out hunting for barbies.
If not, I wish my son and his new wife all the best.

Please recive Gongratulations to the broom and bride from the Nero Family...

Well, Brian has been killed by Barbies along with his nephiew Pete. Please edit this and Im sorry, but it looks like the wedding is off. :gasp:

The Noble House post has been updated to reflect the deaths of those killed by the Barbarian attacks. My condolences to all. :(

@Padma: Can I please get Bob and Jackie added to the house, for reasons list previously?

Saam: Sure, but as I asked previously, I thought Walter was the son of William & Julia, and raised by Lauren. Where do Jackie & Bob come into the picture? :confused: :crazyeye:

Parents of William. I dunno.. the were part of the integral storyline which resulted in the DiSaaMuels.

Sorry i didnt see that before

I added Jackie & Bob to the house, but I still don't know where they fit in. ;)

I dont either at this point..
Thanks anyway

Weren't they close friends?

Tasius was married a few (RL) days ago to Princess Kaesa Atrous Aquilia.

Padma: How do I create a House, are there any Minimum Requierements to create a House. Please let me know since I am interested in Creating one (I am awaiting the Despot to Promote Gontskius Maximilian II to be in the Gentry Level)

Royal Houses under a despotic rule? :confused: aren't we jumping a few techs here?

@EA- No.

Looking good, Plexus. What program are you using?

GenoPro, some free program. It is okay, but, understandibly, it doesn't do BC dates...

@plexus: you forgot you grandson, Praeditus Lifespanius Maximus, in the graph :-)

also, somehow the firstborns should propably be marked... or the order of birth.

Originally posted by disorganizer
also, somehow the firstborns should propably be marked... or the order of birth.
Order of birth is shown by their order on the chart. Left to right is earliest to latest.

Here is my suggestion for a family tree. This is quite crude and could ofcourse be improved. This is just an exampel...

Link to pic (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/helenafamily.JPG)

Link does not function, John.

Now it does

BTW: When commoners or lower gentry marries a noble, will they become nobles as well? Or will they continue to be commoners but theyr children will be nobles? How does this work?

the caste level is a family thing. so an example:
family a is common, consiting of person 1,2,3,4 and 5
family b is noble, consisting of person 10,11,12,13
if now person 5 marries person 13, then person 5 will be a noble (not: not the rest of the family, as 5 married into the family of 13).
the children of 5+13 will all be noble

note here:
maybe a good idea to reflect this would be if the "lower" casted character would "adopt" the name of the higher casted one, even if the higher casted one is the woman.

i think this way is wrong though...

we should propably change it:
my proposal: the caste is bound to the family name. on a marriage, the 2 can decide which name they will adpot. depending on which name they take, they will receive the appropriate caste setting for them and their family.
example:
as above, 5+13 marry.
if they both will carry the family name of 5's family, they will be common. if they adpot 13's name, they will be noble.


more specific example for my proposal:
at the moment, the lines of lifespanius and datrus are royal.
if the daughter of helena lifespanius wants to marry the commoner alfonso nobodicus, then they can choose between 3 methods:
1) alfonso may adopt the name of lifespanius, and with that he and his children would be royal.
2) bellona (helenas daughter) could though choose to be namen nobodicus and decline her royalty, on which bellona would become common and her husband and her children also.
3) bellona could also choose to adopt her husbands name and still keep her birthname as second name. this would mean she would be known as bellone lifespanius nobodicus... her children and her husband would then stay nobodicus and thus common, but she would be a royal.

I don't like the idea, Dis. If we applied that to the Diutius/Helena Marraige, we would both lose our Royalty titles to one of Nobilty. Even though some of the men of the Roman Empire would have done that (I'm guessing at this because you like to stick to historical fact...), real men wouldn't give up their name to lick the boots of Royalty. Besides, I think I've let you claim all there is to claim in our marraige already, you greedy little girl :) .

nah, cyc, diutius was given a royal title by atrous anyways ;-)
he IS the prince of gorina... independant of the marriage.
as such the house of lifespanius was "created" by the despot to administrate lifespanicia (i just invented that name :-P).

as such we would both keep our royal title...
the despot always has this possibility

Ah, so right, Dis. Good point. I guess I would have to keep my name based on some macho, neandertal reasoning. :D

Padma, can you kindly add Antony and Achilles DePaolo to The House of DePaolo?

Padma, correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the Despot has passed on, wouldn't Helena and I move up to an Imperial family?

Cornelia and Julius Peesea have been born and may be added to the House of Peesea, and Agrippina died during childbirth.

OK, Padma. Let's take a stab at the new Family lines...

The Royal Lifespanius Line of Gorina -
King Diutius Lifespanius - Ruler of Gorina
Queen Caia Lifespanius Helena - wife
Prince Praeditus Lifespanius Maximus - son
Pricess Diutia Lifespanius Bellona - daughter


The Royal Lifespanius Line of Noshuret -
Lord Marcus Lifespanius - Senior Centurion
Lady Ribeena Lifespanius - wife of Marcus
Prince Schola Lifespanius - son
Prince Dexterius Lifespanius - son
Children are twins

The Royal Roberts Line of Noshuret -
Lord Walter Roberts - (Deceased)
Lady Mellita Robetrs - Head of Household
Prince Draculus Roberts - son

Briefus and Katra Lifespanius are deceased as well.

@Padma: When you get up my noble house, Include Ceasar Jade as Well. Here is the link to the Jade Family: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=954323#post954323

He is in since he married September Nero. Theyre having kids as soon as I get the stats from chieftess

Originally posted by Cyc
Padma, correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the Despot has passed on, wouldn't Helena and I move up to an Imperial family?
They wouldn't become Imperials, because we don't have the tech for that yet (Feudalism).

As the first act as Despot, I Diutius will move all members of my family into the Royalty level. This will include siblings and their families. All Lifespans have been increased as well.

Originally posted by Cyc
As the first act as Despot, I Diutius will move all members of my family into the Royalty level. This will include siblings and their families. All Lifespans have been increased as well.

Would this include Rubeena's Son Dexterius Lifespanius :).

Consider the above posting of Noble Houses, etc, to be enacted. This week has really taken its toll on my game-time. :(

I will update the appropriate posts as I have time.

Thank you Padma.

ah, and cyc: your family already was royal as you were declared prince of gorina by atrous ;-)

@ Dis - I meant to say all those related to me no matter how distant. I wasn't speaking of those in my direct household. But thanks anyway. :)

Originally posted by bootstoots

They wouldn't become Imperials, because we don't have the tech for that yet (Feudalism).
Despot = Emperor. Imperial government had nothing to do with Feudalism.

shai: padma has a different interpretation though. we shouldnt even be royal normally, but there was no fitting case-setting for it otherwise :-P

Royalty also was well before the concept of Monarchy. The Monarchy technology represents the concept of a formalized relationship of power sharing by the great families of a nation.

Originally posted by Cyc
As the first act as Despot, I Diutius will move all members of my family into the Royalty level. This will include siblings and their families. All Lifespans have been increased as well.
I would like to announce that Julius Lifespannius is Diutius's 17th cousin twice removed. ;) Does he get to become royalty now? :p

Hehehe :D He was removed twice for a reason :lol: j/k

Originally posted by bootstoots

I would like to announce that Julius Lifespannius is Diutius's 17th cousin twice removed. ;) Does he get to become royalty now? :p :lol:

Don't worry, I get to decide who's "close enough". ;)

@Padma: Not to nag, but when will you update the noble list??

Originally posted by Shaitan
Despot = Emperor. Imperial government had nothing to do with Feudalism. Originally posted by disorganizer
shai: padma has a different interpretation though. we shouldnt even be royal normally, but there was no fitting case-setting for it otherwise :-P Actually, I just haven't differentiated Royal from Imperial yet in this thread. Yet. As I re-read some of the other rulesets, I do see where it does affect lifespan, so I should make it a point to specify. My apologies for any earlier confusion.

The Despot and his immediate family are Imperial. Other Princes/Princesses are considered Royalty.

If we become a Monarchy, the King will be Royalty, as will any other "Petty" or rival Kings. If some character becomes a "High King/King of Kings/Emperor" (i.e., a King holding the fealty of other Kings), then that character and his immediate family will be Imperial.

Peerage and Noble Houses partially updated.

I have a question. When you put someone in your noble house, do they become nobles??

No. Children of nobles will have noble blood but illegitimate children, wards, adoptees, proteges, etc, would not be noble.

BTW: When you get my house up there just put the Nero House. I was going to have it stand Nerano House since it sounds better for a house but I changed my mind...

My charc Janus Nero is a Baron. When he dies, will his son inheret the baronship??

Padma: Can you kindly add Ariadne DePaolo (Deceased, Antony's wife), Allegra DePaolo (Deceased, Achilles wife), Antonio DePaolo (Antony's son), and Achilles DePaolo II (Achilles' son)? Thanx Padma. Also, Antonius and Aurelia are Deceased.

Originally posted by Sir John
My charc Janus Nero is a Baron. When he dies, will his son inheret the baronship?? Yes.

Will you kindly add Julius, Cornelia, Julia, and Fabian to the House of Peesea? Also, Honorius died in the dungeon of Gorina, and the Peesea family is now royal, now that they have ascended to the throne of Nar Shaaddaland.

EDIT: Oops! That's Julius, not Janus.

Please denote that Lauren is dead and Kaite has had Smith and Fortuna. Kaite is also Baroness Countessa Kathrine DiSaaMuel. (the titles will go to Fortuna after her death)

Are we allowed to be high nobles? Or do have to wait for monarchy?

@nobility management:
as punishment, all people defecting from out nation which have no land transferred to them or conquered their lands will be ripped of all their caste-settings by this date. at the moment (afaik) its only civanator. their family, relatives and all future children of those family shall be deposed from out nation and be called "banned". if they will be seen on fanatican soil they shall be captured and thrown into the dungeons to be executed the moring after their capture. any supporters of those illegal defectors will be treated the same.

signed:
despotess bellona lifespania

And CG???

cg got his land tiles from the despot and did not just claim them... remember that. also i still await ruling of the land office about which tiles are legal or not.

i request imperial status for bellona lifespania and her direct family. she is the despotess at the moment.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1000888#post1000888

Kaite is a baroness again.

Also- Lauren is dead. Fortuna and Smith DiSaaMuel were born.

Alexander Nero requests Royal status for him and his whole family line. He does this because he is the despot of Neronia...

ANNOUNCEMENT:
we at this moment announce the marriage between bellona lifespania and caesar jade.
the names of both were changed:
* Flavinius Jadius Lifespanius Caeser (Caeser Jade)
* Diutia Jadius Lifespanius Bellona (Bellona Lifespanius)
Note that both will receive imperial status. The new despot is Caeser.

Note also that the Lifespanian line will stay in Royal status (Helena, Bellonas brother etc.).
Note also that the imperial status will only be given to the direct descendants of Bellona and Caeser.
Note also that the Children will be named after their line. If they belong to the Lifespanian Line (Bellona will define that) they will be called "Jadius Lifespanius", if they belong to the Jadian line they will be called "Jadius".

Kaite is dead, and the title goes to Fortuna. Baroness Contessa Fortuna DiSaaMuel

Alexander Nero is dead. His title of despot is passed on to his nephew, Corevius Nero.

Julius is dead and Cornelia and her family is now royal as she is the despotess of Plainia.

Despot Caeser Jade

I would like to make Omar Veers and Mara Jade III be placed in the Nobility rank.

Mara Jade III (Jadius Maraus) would get the title of Contessa
Omar Veers (Veerus Omarus) Would get the title of Count

I would like to create a House for the Jade (Jadius) Family.

House of Jade
Mara Jade III (Jadius Maraus III) - Cousin of the Despot Caeser Jade
Omar Veers (Jadius Veerus Omarus) - Husband to Mara Jade III

here is a link to the family book of the house of lifespanius:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1005054#post1005054

note that the house was started with helena, and that diutius, as he left here alone, is not listed there... on purpose...

Padma, Can you change the DePaolo family to Imperial? I just noticed that as they are ruling over the Lands of DePaolo.

Here is the link to the Jadius Family Line.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54257

Please note that it also included the Titles that I would like to see by there names.

The Despot's Promotion page
I would like for Stuck's Character (Stuck ir you are reading this, please post your character's name to be promoted) To be promoted to the rank of Baron

Corevius Nero Is to be able to go into the Imperial ranks. So long as the conditions are met.

The condtions ar beeing met cg. Youve alrwady gotten your child :D

Hi again, Padma. Long time, no see. The Taurnainan Line is being started again, with a new member. His name is Aldadan Taurnaina, and he has been promoted to High Noble by Antony, as stated in this thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53928)

Padma, my character Josephus Strummerus has been made a Baron by the Despot as per this thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54055&pagenumber=3

I would therefore like to start House Strummerus, which so far consists only of Jospehus. Thanks. :)

for future reference:

All the Nero Characters will be at High Nobility at Lord ranking. Julia Peesea will recieve Duchess(Duke) at High Nobility. Anyone related to the Nero's will recieve Marquis and Marquessa. They can accept if they promise not to attack Fanatica.

all members of the lifespanian family are dead except:
rubinia (daughter of bellona)

she just married neo disaamuel, and as such will be renamed to "Caesaria DiSaaMuel Lifespanius Rubinia"

i dont know the exact status though...
the status should be royal at least...
she is the daughtr of caeser jadius, so it may even be imperial until he dies and another despot is coming...

note to the status:
neo disaamuel keep his caste status
each of the resulting children will be given rubinia's or neo's status on a case by case decission (rubinia's if the child is a lifespanian, neo's if its a disaamuel).

neo? I think stuck is going crazy... :D

@padma:
note that rubinia died on giving birth to 2 children. my new character, vendetta lifespania, will take controll of all ownings and claims royalty as she is the aunt of rubinia and thus legitimately inheriting the caste and title from her as noone of her direct successors is left in an adultish state.

@manager:
note that the 2 children rubinia lifespania gave birth to before her death were:
Lucentio DiSaaMuel Lifespanius
Elizabeth DiSaaMuel

As seen from the name, Elizabeth will belong to the DiSaaMuel Family, whereas Lucentio will be officially adopted into the Lifespanian Royal Line.

The 2 only member of that family alife at this moment are Vendetta Lifespanius and Lucentio. Vendetta leads the clan at the moment.