For anyone who is interested. Algebriac notation is sanctioned by the Chess Federation as it is easy for beginners to pick up without actually knowing the game.

Descriptive notation is less abstract as it records the moves in the manner which your mind thinks. Is is used in most older texts and is preferred by most chess masters.

Here is an example of algebraic and descriptive notation side by side
http://thaispecial.com/chess/notation_page3.html

and a Detailed explanation
http://info.ex.ac.uk/~dregis/DR/notation.txt

Thanks for including me in the title but what do I have to do with that? It was you who found it so you deserve all the honours http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Oh, ok, sorry I didn't understand. Anyway, I can never refuse such an invitation, so it's all right. I'm in for you. I'll play tomorrow. Just replied this thread to grab the game.

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I though you agreed to play a game with me using descriptive notation so I set up this thread (and thought you would go first.) If you are still game, I'll go first.

1. P-K4

Well, had a glance at the descriptive notation. Quite disturbing at the beginning but I think it shall be all right. Otherwise just tell me if I misunderstand the system http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif So...

1. P-K4 P-k4 (is that?)
2...

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4

Yes Luke, you must be as one with the notation. Simply notate as you think, there is no need to seperate thought from action. It will come naturally to you......

note: if you move your Knight next, you will need to prefix either the Knight with K or Q like thus KN/QN or you will need to prefix the destination with K or Q like this N-KB3.

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erased the more common/less common part which was wrong

[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited May 24, 2001).]

Nope, I didn't plan to get my horse yet. Even though I'm mongol http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3

I suppose that will move my queen pawn to defend the kgin pawn. Right notation?

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3


[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited May 22, 2001).]

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 NK-B3
4...

Uh, not sure there but I think you've understood what I mean? Anyway, this should look like this. Agree?

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[This message has been edited by GenghisK (edited May 23, 2001).]

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3

N-KB3 is preferred to KN-B3 ( note should be KN and not NK).

Otherwise everything is perfect.

To clarify (I wasn't too clear in the previous post), if it is not apparent whether the King's side or Queen's side is the destination, then you add a prefix to the destination.

When you can move more than one piece of the same type to the destination, then you add a prefix to the piece.

If you can do either to show your move, it is preferred to do the earlier. In some cases, you may need to do both or none.

Incidental note:
N-KB3 is said aloud as Knight to King Bishop Three. Some people play verbally face to face without a chessboard using this method.

Thanks for your patience.

Just thought I'd try pasting a chessboard like you did.

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p.s. this system is reversible, so for you black can be on the bottom if you want.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5...

Advance!
BTW, I saw on the rules that the white moves are in capital whereas black moves are in normal characters ie : PK8 and pk8.

PS: do you also play chinese chess?

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP


Up to you about the upper and lower caps. I never noticed it myself - sharp eye for detail!


PS: do you also play chinese chess?

Yes, and animal chess and stratego but my absolute favourite is the chinese version of stratego.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3....

I currently have our chess game set up on my powerpoint. I don't have anyway to represent a chinese chess game now. Plus I have no idea how to notate chinese chess. Maybe later.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6...

I think there's no need to be precise, since there's no possible ambiguity concerning the "predator" knight and the "prey" pawn?
Btw, if you want to play a chinese game, I've got Battlechess2 chinese edition...

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 ..

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7...

Sorry for the delay, I rarely go to my office on week-end http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8...

Btw, if you need a freeware chess program, just tell me. It's surely more practical than logging your game using Powerpoint...

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKP!


A freeware chess program would have been handy before I created my powerpoint (specially for this game). It works like a real chessboard so I am quite happy with it. Thanks for the offer.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKP! QK2
9...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/mwaha.gif What I expected. A queen carnage. Now you don't have choice http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif I love seeing queen's blood flooding on the chessboard... Hey I'm romantic, am I?

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKP! QK2
9. QxQ

A woman should sacrifice herself for her man.

Hi there. It's me kibitzing again.

Can I suggest one thing kobayashi? When you wrote "8. QxKP!", you should really have written "8. QxKP ch" because it was a check. In algebraic notation the "ch" would be a "+". The exclamation mark (!) you used does not mean check: it means that it was a very good move and perhaps one that was difficult to spot. Your move was simple and obvious so it didn't deserve a !.

Anyway you still have a small advantage. So let battle continue. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif




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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKP! QK2
9. QxQ KxQ
10...

Hey Stormerne, I need advises too! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif And I'm most likely to need it more than him, because I'm not as good as Kobayashi...
btw, in how many moves do you plan a ++mate against me now? http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

Note for you Koby. I won't be there until next tueday. I'll be back in France for my sister's wedding so I won't be on this board for the next 5 days. Sorry. Be patient http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ KxQ
10. N-KB3

S,

Good point about the check. Yes, I really meant to indicate check (not good move)and for some inexplicable reason I used an exclaimation mark.

GK,

I don't think I am any good either. I haven't played in 20 years and at that time I used to play at best on level 3 (out of 12) on my trusty challenger chess computer. In any case, have a good holiday.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ KxQ
10. N-KB3 o-o
11...

Uh I don't know the code for the little castling. So I put that classic o-o.
Anyway sorry for this delay. Now the wedding is finished http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Er? Did you do a KxQ the move before?

Ooh my God, I'm terribly sorry I meant Knight*Queen...

I forgot that a knight was "N" so I put K. But in fact it was my night. So I didn't move my king! Sorry. Wouldn't you mind going back for this move please? http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4

No problem, this is trivial compared to the 7 player 2194 Days of War PBEM Epic game over at Apolyton where they had to go back one cycle.




[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited June 07, 2001).]

A classic example of why algebraic notation is superior http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

Excuse me! I thought that the King is K and the Knight is N in algebraic notation too.

Genghis would simply have put Kxe7 instead of Nxe7.

I stand by my opinion that Algebraic notation is popularised because it can be learned easily by a beginner, not because it is better. Its main failings are that

It does not record down moves the way a human thinks
You must follow the moves from the beginning for the notation to make any sense (since it is always implied from previous moves which piece is eaten)

[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited June 08, 2001).]

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Can you be clearer please? Why is it superior? I don't have preference. I use the one my opponent likes http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

Back to us
1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11...
I'm still castling

BTW, I met somebody on Hotline who was from Singapore. Then the server closed so I couldn't chat. Wasn't it you?


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Just kidding guys.That mistake was not a good example....I also hung on to descriptive notation for years.I like a white golf ball also http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

But http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif,with algebraic each square has 1 coordinate.Unlike descriptive where white's QB4 square is black's QB5 square.

About 1000 years ago I used to play on citizen's band radio.Had all kinds of problems using descriptive.Takes a little more care.

I DO like it.I feel like I'm playing Battleship with algebraic sometimes...but never had a misplaced piece using it.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN

RE: Wasn't it you?
Nope that wasn't me.

with regards to the superior thing:

As a form of notation (i.e. a mechanism purely used to record games)Algebriac is better. It is completely unambiguous.

Descriptive is more a language. English is less precise than binary. Would you like to talk english or binary?

Originally posted by Smash:


About 1000 years ago I used to play on citizen's band radio.Had all kinds of problems using descriptive.Takes a little more care.



Smash, Did you ever play transfer chess - you know four or even six guys playing. If you eat a piece, you can give it to your partner (opposite colour) who can put it on his board instead of moving a piece.

Yes.Played 4 man games during "down" times at tournaments.Its a blast.We called it Siamese Chess(spelling)..lots of laughs playing that.

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12...

I see you like exchanging pieces like me, too. So we have the same way of playing. Great.
Hey this transfer chess sounds funny. But it's not interesting for the one who has lost a capital piece. It's quite impossible for him to make up for his/her mistake, right?

And Smash, what I've heard about you was that you were by far the best player on this forum. You've defeated Algernon(?) who was so far the best. Have you ever tried playing Stormerne? That should be a great titan shock! Cmon don't be shy let's go Smash http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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well I don't know about that.
Algernon made a blunder and the game ended just as it was getting interesting.I beat anand quite nicely but 1 game is not enough to gauge.His "real life" was quite busy at the time and no doubt restricted the time he had to study.

A showdown with Storm may be in the near future but right now I have my hands full with Julius Brenzaida at Apolyton/other games.He is talented and resourceful player that knows what he is doing.

He'll need a challenger after he beats...err...if he beats mehttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3

I see you like exchanging pieces like me, too. So we have the same way of playing. Great.

I don't really play like this normally and I would consider killing off a piece that is nicely positioned for one that's still not off the starting block as a really bad move. But somehow playing one move a day instead of finishing an entire game in a few hours has altered my thought patterns. I'm doing things to finish the game faster. In this case I thought I'd just swap everything till the single pawn advantage that I have becomes useful.

Home viewers: DO NOT PLAY LIKE THIS AT HOME WITHOUT PROFESSIONAL ADVICE.


[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited June 11, 2001).]

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1. P-K4 P-K4
2. B-B4 P-Q3
3. P-Q3 N-KB3
4. P-KR3 P-Q4
5. PxP NxP
6. Q-B3 P-QB3
7. Q-K4 B-QB4
8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13...
Yep you got a clear advantage... And right too, a game that spreads over weeks (months) cannot be the same than a game that only last an hour. BTW, have you read my thread about Border Patrol and me? If you enjoy playing a realtime game online, using Java programs, I'm in http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

Smash you're too modest http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif everybody knows you're a cousin of Karpov. Even Stormerne says that. lol.

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14...

btw, I'm getting more and more problems to access CFC these times (according to TF, this site encounters connection problems because a backbone is dead). So sometimes I might be unable to connect and to reply. In this case sorry. But technical problems are beyond my will http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0

Its getting too hot and my king needs to go to the summer palace (0-0) to cool off.

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16...

Ehehe indeed. Your king is a precious piece http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
So far the game looks like this. Do you agree?
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8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 ....

As predicted, now I am fast beginning to regret the reckless exchange of pieces.

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17...

Mmm starting my 1st offensive http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2...

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18...

I didn't put KBP since it could take only one pawn...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR ....

poor me.....

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19...

why poor you? we're even now...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 ....

poor me, poor positioning

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 ...

8. QxKPch Q-K2
9. QxQ NxQ
10 B-KB4 0-0
11 BxN RxB
12 N-KB3 B-K3
13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21...

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 ...

BTW GK do you even play civilization?

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22...

Sure I play it. Well actually I used to play Civ saga. Now I'm playing and trying several other games. Master of orion, heroes of M&M saga, etc. Then after several weeks I go back playing Civ and then try other games, after a month go back on Civ, etc... http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif So many games I'd like to play but lack of time http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif

Have you played any of my scenarios?

Battle for the Alpha Quadrant
Dominion War
Zweiter Weltkrieg

p.s. like you I have to go back to the office to continue the game - plus this monday is a holiday.

Alas not http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif Ok, I'll download them and try them out.

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 ...

Let me know if you enjoyed playing them. Our chess game will probably be over by then so you can send me a PM or drop in at the scenario creation forum.

Of course, I will.

Uh, you have a knight next to your rook. How can you move it?

move 17 was QN-Q2

subsequently that kNight was moved to K4 in move 19

the other night was moved to KB3 in move 12 and has stayed there ever since.

I can sense Smash on the prowl ready to pounce......


[This message has been edited by kobayashi (edited June 27, 2001).]

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Smash,

that was such a mild response. God bless you....

Didn't understand the joke but anyway http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
Sorry, I played the wrong piece. Now it's fixed http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif No need to take anything back.

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 R-K3
23 ...
Congrats, this move was quite brilliant. I didn't see your trick at first sight.

BTW, I hope your scenarios are compatible with Mac version of Civ?

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 R-K3
23 K-N1 ....

My move was not that brilliant, it was vulnerable to a N-N6 on your part.


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I know a guy who has managed to play ZWK on his Mac. Let me know if you have any trouble doing the conversion.

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 R-K3
23 K-N1 P-KR3
24 ...

Why would I do n-n6? It'd be foolish from me to do that.

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 R-K3
23 K-N1 P-KR3
24 K-B1 ...

Why would I do n-n6? It'd be foolish from me to do that - I withdraw the comment.

13 B-N3 BxB
14 RPxB QR-K1
15 0-0 N-KB4
16 K-R1 R-K7
17 QN-Q2 RxP
18 RxR BxR
19 N-K4 B-Q5
20 P-QB3 B-QN3
21 P-Q4 R-K1
22 R-K1 R-K3
23 K-N1 P-KR3
24 K-B1 B-B2
25...

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 ...

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 ...

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR ...

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27...

like this...
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20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7....

Yes I have the same on my board. Seems we are finally entering the end game.

Hey I've just seen a person named "Kobayashi" on the same Hotline server than me. Today, 14.00 GMT, was it you???
Edit: So my move is

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28...

[This message has been edited by GenghisK (edited July 05, 2001).]

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 ...

Don't think its me, I don't even know what a hotline server is.

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 ...

Ok, I'll try ZWK this week end. Just after playing my gotm http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif Did you know it was my first gotm? And it's pitiful, I'm in a too bad position... http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif Hope I'll be luckier with your scenarios.

GenghisK asked me to comment on this game, so here is a brief comment.

Up to the 26th move it was fairly even. I believe White would have been better leaving his knight on K4 or at least Q3. But in any case, White's 27th move taking it to Q7 was a mistake. Black's reply of ...P-KB3 was a simple way of exposing that mistake. This should give Black enough advantage to win, though it may be a long hard task.

Just my asked-for opinion of course http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Lets save our kibitzing of other's games until completion?

As you wish. It makes it easier for me because I'm naturally lazy. In this particular instance it was in response to a specific public request by GenghisK here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/Forum21/HTML/000075-2.html#26) And it was made within the bounds of what was already public. But it's your forum. You set the rules.

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 ...

I think my biggest mistake was to swap my bishop for that knight. Everything else is just a consequence of that move.

well...I just thought out of courtesy for kobayashi or others.I know,I, for one, didn't always take to kindly to in game kibitzers....one such fella actually grabbed one of my pieces and moved it in a tournament!...then he smacked me right on my closed right fist with his jaw...that hurt! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif
I felt better when I learned that was the 3rd time in 4 days he had had an incident.

There are no rules though.Some in game analysis could be fun and educational.Nothing worse than seeing your posted analysis go up in flames http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

Thats why I put a ? on the end.

Thanks for the lesson Smash. But as Storme said, I am the guilty. I deserve to be
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Anyway forgive me. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I was pretty curious to have Stormerne opinion (or yours Smash, or any masters one) because he taught me about such a possible trap for knights in our previous game (where I lost). Obviously I remember well his lessons. He he.

Anyway. As you could guess, my move is logically

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30...


btw, your scenarios are for FW version of Civ, I don't have it http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif I only have Civ2 classic, and I just hotlined Civ2 gold. Don't know if that will work.

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP ....

All my scenarios will work on FW or MGE but not classic or TOT.

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31...

I'll try to get a copy of MGE so. That might be quite easy to find. At least I hope so.

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31 K-QB4 ....

So now that you've used the descriptive notation for almost a whole game what do you think?

Well, I'm quite flexible concerning notation. It's true that at the beginning I had some troubles with this "subjective" system (depends if you are black or white, the number and the position changes) but now it's quite ok. I can play with all the systems. I even played Shadowdale with a totally stupid notation: e1->e3 http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

20 p-qb3 b-qn3
21 p-q4 r-k1
22 r-k1 r-k3
23 k-n1 p-kr3
24 k-b1 b-b2
25 n-qb5 RxR+
26 kxR p-qn3
27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31 K-QB4 NxKP+
32 ...

Originally posted by GenghisK:
(depends if you are black or white, the number and the position changes)

All true, youhave to accept your opponets moves upside down - but you don't have to think upsidedown yourself.

27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31 K-QB4 NxKP+
32 ...

Can you double check, I don't think I have any pawns on the King Column.

Oh my mistake, no you didn't have a pawn there. Actually I was so hurried that I posted my next move http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
No you were right it was just N-K6+
And wherever you move your king, I'll reply by NxP (the N pawn. it's the only pawn I can eat...)

27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31 K-QB4 N-K6+
32 K-N4 NxP
33 P-QB4 ...

27 N-Q7 P-KB3
28 K-K2 K-KB2
29 K-Q3 K-K2
30 NxQNP PxN
31 K-QB4 N-K6+
32 K-N4 NxP
33 P-QB4 K-Q3
34 ...

Ok you win...I resign. Seems the situation is next to hopeless. I cannot stop one of your pawns from Queening.

Thanks for the game anyway. It was cool. Now my next challenge is.... to find FW or MGE in order to play your scenarios http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
I've downloaded them all.

Originally posted by GenghisK:
Thanks for the game anyway. It was cool. Now my next challenge is.... to find FW or MGE in order to play your scenarios <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>
I've downloaded them all.

Wish you best of luck in finding it. I am going to release my newest and possibly best work. Star Wars - Insurrection in a few weeks time.