This is not my department but this is just a suggestion. Ive suggested this on the Multi-Site but I was convinced that it may not work on human players but it will certainly will work on Ai on Monarch.


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I think we should find out which tech to research next. I believe we should research to Currency or Constructon. We already have enough military techs for what we need to start a war so lets get far ahead with this plan I made up.
First we should buy Alphabet from someone (preferably Apolyton- they're Commercial) then research Mathematics (big $$$$ tech) and sell it for all our opponents have (techs and $$$(money perferably) ) and use 100% for Construction or Currency. I have done this in my personal games and it worked quite fine. BTW along the way we have to buy Writing from someone for more trading options after Mathematics is found. With that tech I have bought the whole tech chart on Monarch level.

Post here anything you want to say about the Science Queue and what we should do with it.

Term 1 Science Department (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=956570#post956570)

Ancient Age's Tech Tree (http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3tech_tree1.shtml)

First off, we need to come up with a Science Queue.

What do we want... Go straight for lit? Or should we set some other goals... I am posting a poll(s) to look at all these options.

I, as a culture lover, view that Ceremonial burial should be researched first, followed by a quick zoom towards literature. Or we get CB a different way. Either or is good.

What about this one:
Bronze Working->Iron Working->Ceremony Burial->Writing->Litterature->Code of Law->Philosophy->Republic

That way, we can have our Legionnaries for ultimate millitary early and we'll problably discover a lot of those techs through goody huts.

I would agree with yours Fier... It's important to secure a source of Iron at the start.

Great plan, with just one flaw.

If we reasearch those 6 technologies and sell them to everyone (which would make us a good amount of $$$) we would still have to buy over 15 technologies from the AI. It might be much easier to make a rush for litature ( Just 3 technologies) and then we get all of them for free. Letting us drop down science to fill in are coffers.

(Also... asking Shaitan to merge this thread with the "offcial" science queue thread)

Im very much in favour of sending our cohorts out to conquer so bronze then iron then culture.:)

Of course... We can always make a rush for litarture (Just 3 technologies) and then we get the rest of the techs for this age free and can drop our research funding down and fill in are coffers. Also this gives us a better culture improvement not sooner, but it does give us a better one.

We could make a break for The Great Library. OTOH, we're commercial. But, then again, we don't have the best land (rivers and grassland)

Originally posted by Chieftess
We could make a break for The Great Library. OTOH, we're commercial. But, then again, we don't have the best land (rivers and grassland)

Should have let me create the game... I always get good starting spots ;)

Anyway... I just said almost that same thing above, but I think the terrian will make little differance. Just as long as we get a pre-build going beforehand.

Originally posted by Fier Canadien
What about this one:
Bronze Working->Iron Working->Ceremony Burial->Writing->Litterature->Code of Law->Philosophy->Republic

That way, we can have our Legionnaries for ultimate millitary early and we'll problably discover a lot of those techs through goody huts.

I really like this queue, Fier. Early conquest will be key in this game, even if we ultimately plan for a peaceful victory. Let's hope there is some Iron nearby.

Uhhh...the other flaw being that this is in the wrong forum. Thread moved.

I realize this may be an attempt at forethinking(which I applaud), but this has very little to do with the game the single player demogame at the moment.

I like Fier's queue as well. Iron must be our first absolute target.

Doesn't any of you think that it's more than a bit ironic that my proposal is the only one beginning with millitary tech?

So, please don't refer to it as Fier's prop, but rather "alpha" or "minë" prop.

I agree with the strong military early. To me it helps with expanding our borders, and fulfilling our Manifest Destiny

My point is that if we research those techs that every other AI is already researching then we will always get beaten. My point is to not get beaten. The AI researches CurrencY and Con. last in the tech tree. But I do agree on researching Iron Working first, but then my que.

With my experience the AI normally goes the monarchy path... Then alpha/writing then skips lit/map making for awhile and research bronze working/iron working/mathematics. If we make a rush for lit, then we can easily make it on time + get ALL the techs for free. (Up intill education)

I never see the AI go the monarchy path. Maybe up to mysticism, but not any further until later. BTW, we need to decide a queue by sunrise. :)

Originally posted by Chieftess
I never see the AI go the monarchy path. Maybe up to mysticism, but not any further until later. BTW, we need to decide a queue by sunrise. :)

I know... I don't see how Shaitan expects me to have a reasonable discussion and poll this.

I haven't see the AI go up all the way to monarchy... but I've see it go up to where it's the next tech intill it switch's off.

@Strider - You had plenty of time to discuss it. There was no need to wait until the game started or even until the elections were complete to discuss any starting aspect of the game. In any case you only have to get one or two techs set right now.

On the Great Library Situation, you dont need to get Literature to start the Great Library, just start building the Great Pyramids and switch. Why waste science money on literature. That can be traded after we get Currency. It looks like none of you guys never researched Currency to see its value. I dont get it???

As Strider said;
"With my experience the AI normally goes the monarchy path... Then alpha/writing then skips lit/map making for awhile and research bronze working/iron working/mathematics. If we make a rush for lit, then we can easily make it on time + get ALL the techs for free. (Up intill education)"

The AI doesnt go for Currecny untill the last.

With an early UU a viable strategy for getting GrLib is to generate a Great Leader, or to simply capture it.

:evil:

I agree.

Here's my plan. Bolded is the orders that have has already been acted upon.

Bronze Working>Iron Working>Alpha>Writing>Litature

CT and I are currently talking about making a huge boost in researching. Pump it up as high as we can afford and get those 5 technologies as fast as possible. We nab the Great Library and drop down the science rate to start producing us some money to upgrade are warriors into Legions :).

Strider, we already have Alphabet... Plus, we should research Writing, then trade for IW and Pottery. With pottery, we can build a granary, and build more settlers.

The queue is fine. I don't think there's any realistic chance of cranking the research rate for the first five techs though. Even at 100% we will still be at a 40 turn rate for quite some time.

Ok, I guess I am beaten too this suggestion also. Oh well. Guess there's no room for suggestions from a rookie.

Originally posted by Chieftess
Strider, we already have Alphabet... Plus, we should research Writing, then trade for IW and Pottery. With pottery, we can build a granary, and build more settlers.

CT... I know... I'm including all technologies for a reason... though it's kind of hard to explain... I want to try to show the whole queue... what steps we are taking... and which way it's going... I included alpha to help that.

Originally posted by Shaitan
The queue is fine. I don't think there's any realistic chance of cranking the research rate for the first five techs though. Even at 100% we will still be at a 40 turn rate for quite some time.

Not really.... Dave, CT, and I was talking about it in the chat... and both CT and I believe that we can get it a a much more resonable time then 40 turns and Dave even thinks we can get it in 25 turns.

Hey if we can do it then let's go for it. If we need to adjust things in the game , then we will

Originally posted by amirsan
Ok, I guess I am beaten too this suggestion also. Oh well. Guess there's no room for suggestions from a rookie.
I don't think you qualify for that title any more, amirsan. At a minimum you're a DG2 vet. ;)

Anyway, people's reactions to your suggestion have nothing to do with your demogame seniority. Techs are one of those areas where every person has a (pretty rigid) idea of what should be where and how to go about doing it. Stress the merits of your idea, adjust where needed to make it attractive to more people, and you'll do fine with it.

Why are we all so eager to go chasing the Great Library? This is Monarch, not Deity...out-researching the AI by the mid-middle ages is usually pretty easy.

Starting with Iron Working is OK... longer term, I like aiming for Currency and planning to sell that to make up most the other ancient age techs. I doubt we will need to go after ceremonial burial or masonry ourselves, those will be cheap trades before we get to Iron Working.

Once we get that far, we will have a better idea whether to just aim for currency or something in the republic tree.

@All- yea, can we please do a repub/demo game this time?

Originally posted by Siegmund
Why are we all so eager to go chasing the Great Library? This is Monarch, not Deity...out-researching the AI by the mid-middle ages is usually pretty easy.

Starting with Iron Working is OK... longer term, I like aiming for Currency and planning to sell that to make up most the other ancient age techs. I doubt we will need to go after ceremonial burial or masonry ourselves, those will be cheap trades before we get to Iron Working.

Once we get that far, we will have a better idea whether to just aim for currency or something in the republic tree.

The Great Library is THE MOST important wonder during the ancient age's. Build it and get every tech free up into education. It's effects will last longer than the money that selling currency etc. will give us. Also Writing give us several key technologies. Map Making to increase trade and give coastal cities increased growth. Litature for libries and the Greay Library. The Code Of Laws for courthouse's.... The best corruption fighter there is. And philsophy... The next step intill Republic.

I would like to see cerimonial burial on that queue, if possible, strider.

Originally posted by Plexus
I would like to see cerimonial burial on that queue, if possible, strider.

I would like to also, but right now.... I happen to agree with the others... Ceremonial will come cheaply... and right now the polls stand at Iron Working then Lit.

I do not think the Great Library is that essential a wonder. It is really not that difficult to trade for and or buy many of the ancient age techs.

Originally posted by donsig
I do not think the Great Library is that essential a wonder. It is really not that difficult to trade for and or buy many of the ancient age techs.

I tend to agree, but the first few middle age techs are significantly more expensive, and can be obtained via the great library. Since we are not scientific, we will fall behind briefly at the start of the middle ages unless we are just way ahead.

Originally posted by donsig
I do not think the Great Library is that essential a wonder. It is really not that difficult to trade for and or buy many of the ancient age techs.

Yes, but it is LESS diffucult and more PROFITABLE with the great library.... We also don't run the risk of falling behind inside of the ancient age's and then going behind even worst when we hit the middle age's.

Yes that happend to me before and it is HELL...

Originally posted by Strider

Yes, but it is LESS diffucult and more PROFITABLE with the great library.... We also don't run the risk of falling behind inside of the ancient age's and then going behind even worst when we hit the middle age's.

Being behind in the middle ages is not such a bad thing. Unless the AI beelines to military tradition before we even get feudalism there's not much to worry about. Trading opportunities will exist in the middle ages and there's always theory of evolution to aim for if we are still behind in tech then. The trouble with the Great Library is that having it tends to make us lose sight of not only the tech queue but trading as well. By having to make some effort to remain competitive in the tech race we will not only stay on top of trading possibilities we will be forced to keep our goals in front of us while we actively pursue them. That is much more beneficial than sitting around on our behinds waiting for the tech we need to fall in our laps!