This is some discussion on our next city site, The land to the NE looks rather harsh, so our best option is to the SW. I'd take the one to the immediate SW as the next city site. I'm not sure of the terrain, but I'm hoping for some more grasslands, since there are some grassland tiles, and a river. These aren't set in stone, since we need to explore that area.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/DG3_BC3300_citysites.jpg

The south west is clearly the way forward.
it offers a river for +6 growth and grassland/bonus grassland. It would waste precious early turns to seek out a new site when this one looks so good.

I concurr. The SW looks best.

I would agree with the SW location.

I would also like the warrior to explore the SW area the most, as that's where we might be putting our next city.

While scouting the SW, Id like it if we were to also scout directly W. If not, just a direct run to the South and South West. Who knows? Mabey we can find another city like Morgana? (The Iron on a hill strategy part)

SW looks good to me. And would lean toward having it be the 'settler factory' city rather than using the capital for that, too, probably, since its land is suited for growth without improvement.

The dot to the NW will be a nice six-6 site once we bring irrigation up that way, but it isn't a high priority site like the SW is.

SW should be our settler factory while we find out what we are going to do with our capitol.

I agree with SW. It's far and away the best spot for our second city.

I concur to the SW we should go

With all these "SW Spot"s, do we even need a vote? ;)

Also, the NW plains city won't give much in the way of hills at the start. Only 2 hills before the city stops growing. It'll reach its' full potential during the industrial age. Same for the west one depending on the terrain. The SW does have the greatest potential, but I'd like to see more land in that area rather than continue up the NE hills.

Originally posted by Chieftess
With all these "SW Spot"s, do we even need a vote? ;)


Is the SW on the river?

Originally posted by donsig


Is the SW on the river?

Yes, it's on the river bend.

In my experience a city on a river bend has required an aqueduct to grow past 6.
EDIT: could someone confirm this right or wrong, I cannot find the example city that I was thinking of.

I would agree that we need to see more of the SW to be sure of the position, and also that the SW is the direction to move.

SW is the way to go. Also, Pnazer, I think no Aqueduct is needed on river cities.

We need fertile grounds for our settler and worker factories. The only location close to our capital seems to be SW.

SW clearly. But I had also the problem Panzer describes. City on river bent - aquaeduct needed.

We'll know more of that terrain with a bit of exploration. We actually don't need the final city location for the next chat. 8 turns to produce the settler and two movements towards the southwest is a full chat. That will expose the terrain in the area so we can make a fully educated decision. As SW is the overwhelming favorite that general direction is all we really need right now.

I've analyzed the save, and came up with these figures:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/DG3_BC2800_city2.jpg

It appears the yellow spot is the best. While blue *may* be able to have a couple of more spt, yellow will be the more productive of the two. 20spt is a nice round number (which means no wasted shields), and also borders the river. There will be shields lost due to corruption, but that can be fixed with a courthouse. The final total (after a factory, nuke plant, Mfg Plant, etc.) is 160spt!!!!

This discussion aims to narrow it down even further. We've explored the area to the SW, and there's 3 possible spots:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/DG3_BC2800_city2.jpg

If we want to settle now...
Red risks an encounter with a barb.
Blue has some risk.
yellow has almost no risk.

I would go with the Yellow dot location. THe reasion, it will generate more SPT. More SPT = More units and improvements that can be built faster.

Well, as I said before in the older thread. I would chose the yellow dot location.

Go for yellow. It's future production capability will be needed.

Yellow makes the most sense.

I would say just south of the red (or pink, actually). That way you get growth and production, with no crowding.

We need to decide whether that city will be used as a settler factory or not before we decide where to place it. If it is going to be a settler factory, it doesn't really need fresh water. However, if we want to make it our capital or wonder building city, it should be placed where Cyc mentioned.

I'd have to say one square south of red because it doesn't waste squares and keeps it close enough to the capital without overlap.

If we need a shields powerhouse, choose Yellow. But I think we need a Settler and worker factory first on fertile grounds. For that I'd choose neither Yellow, Blue nor Red, but a position south of Red, in the bend of the river. There is no Overlap with Noshuret and you still use some of the hill tiles while using the river tiles to the maximum. I prefer a side up north of the desert as a production powerhouse later. In our prioriy list a settler-worker factory is higher up than a mid/end-game production powerhouse.

The river bend looks good to me. No conflict with Noshuret, more hills than you can shake a stick at, all the grass you could wish for.

It doesn't matter if it overlaps at yellow, since it's max size is 19 anyway. That will also have the greatest production of the 3 in the industrial era and part of the modern era. (if we go that far).

This map and resulting discussion is going on in two threads. CT, please advise how you wish to consolidate/direct them to avoid confusion.

just merge the posts. :)

Also, think about this:

160spt

Army - 3 turns
Stealth Bomber - 2 turns
Stealth Fighter - 1 turn
Jet Fighter - 1 turn
ICBM - 4 turns
Tact. Nuke - 2 turns
Radar Arty - 1 turn
Modern Armor - 1 turn

This is another PDX folks! (for those who remember DG1)

I think the blue dot looks great. It's nicely spaced, and doesn't "hog" too many hills. Other cities will be able to share the hills, for a nice sharing around of shields later in the game.

Having a few hills in a city's radius is good, but having 10 hills isn't useful until very late in the game, so better to share them around.

-Sirp.

Originally posted by Chieftess
just merge the posts. :)

Also, think about this:

160spt

Army - 3 turns
Stealth Bomber - 2 turns
Stealth Fighter - 1 turn
Jet Fighter - 1 turn
ICBM - 4 turns
Tact. Nuke - 2 turns
Radar Arty - 1 turn
Modern Armor - 1 turn

This is another PDX folks! (for those who remember DG1)
Threads merged.

Late model planes and nukes aren't going to be a factor in this game. All of the other production is the same for a city with 134 shields.

So, can we gt a new map with the location South of your red dot? Maybe you could work up the "stats" for that one too? :D Thanks!

Ok, 1S of the red/pink dot is:

8 hills
2 mountains
4 plains
6 grassland

Size 12: 21spt
Size 20: 160spt

So do these figures mean that this site is the most productive at each level and offers best potential for growth?

It's the maximum production output. More growth doesn't equal more production, especially past size 20. These cities will stop at size 20 (or be a city that constantly grows and starves).

Here's an updated version:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/DG3_BC2800_4cities.jpg

Thank you, CT. I still believe the Orange area is our best shot.

I like the orange. It just makes sense

I'm up for orange.

Ill go with the Orage Dot thingy

I'm for orange. It gives some city spacing and 160 spt is a lot.

Orange, it gives the 160spt as well as growth level of 20. sounds really good to me.

Time for a POLL ?

Orange for me also:)