As some people know, I'm working on a scenario running from 1936-1986, its gonna have lots of flavour units but also lots of new generic units for the minor nations.

The original Civ III planes are a british spitfire fighter & an American bomber. The fighter is quite badly done, with the civ colour "bleeding" into other areas of the plane, such as the cockpit.

The original Civ III tank is a Sherman tank, used by many nations admitedly, but not quite generic enough.

What I'm aiming to do is produce realy generic vehicles to replace these and other units; Not realy modeled on any specific historic vehicle, but with a mix of features from minor national designs.

They will be usefull for any scenario which includes this time period, but which doesn't realy aim to be "flavour" detailed, such as a 20th century scenario, or UKAS's "sons & daughters of the double cross".

Any way, the ones I'm doing at the moment are;

A generic early fighter plane Circa 1930.
A generic early twin engine bomber circa 1930-early 1940s
A generic upgrade to the basic fighter circa 1940s
& A generic long range 4 engine bomber Circa 1940s

Later will come jets, tanks & mobile artillery, much of which are already modeled & just need animating (admitedly the hardest bit). :D

Heres a preview of the fighter, all the units will be produced in a veriety of colour variations, a simple proccess that is much quicker than totaly reanimating the whole unit;

Heres a preview of one of the bomber variants;

And here is the newest model, the Upgraded fighter. This will be usefull should for example France continue to fight after 1940 or poland secure a successfull alliance with one of its neighbours, or just as a improved fighter plane for minor powers such as italy, norway, hungary, spain etc...

Its modeled a little on european designs rather than American styles, though it could be used for mexico or canada for example or asian countries such as china...

This is one of the most useful unit ideas I've ever seen on this forum. And they are looking really good too..! I just love the fighters, the 30s model looks like a mix of Boeing P-26 Peashooter and Nakajima "Nate", and the 40s model seems to have the Hawker Hurricane or possibly the yugoslavian Rogozarski IK-3 in its lineage. Really nice! :goodjob:

These would be perfect for Tomainia mod! Like your tri-motor bomber which is one of my favorites. I really love these units! :love: Can you make them all? Please! :worshp::jump:

This is gonna be very hard to do as a scenario as you need the transitional fall of the time of empires in this time period.

nice idea SM, and beautiful job on the aircraft

i need the Early fighter for my USA scenario.

And heres a little preview of the Long range bomber, Its in the standard green and blue colour scheme that I use for conversion to the others.

Any comments?

really nice job SM, only thing I possibly would suggest is moving the tail turret just a scooch more to the rear.

Oh heartless one! -- asking that we choose between so many exquisite possibilities! ;)

Seriously, they all look great and I'd vote for them all.

-Oz

Hmm.. quite few votes for an early jet bomber, Perhaps I'll make the model today & see if its still the most needed. Don't worry, all the variants will be made, just one at a time..

Oh yeah, theres one other generic plane that I'm thinking of making, A world war one/1920s bomber, perhaps biplane, or maybe monoplane.

Heres a picture of something like it would look, this is not my model, its from the aircombat flight sim, IL2;

Great mod you are making there, SM :thumbsup:

Is this the mod where you requested those planes?

Well, In one older threads someone asked for the early german jet-bomber AR234 (?).

If I can help you more, please ask ;) (my todo-list is almost empty)

Hmm.. I'm puttin together something right now, using modified aprts from my other planes. The thing with the arado Blitz, is that it has a very short shelf life, because of its WWII development, it was more of a limited run special edition than a full half decade production model (as most of the cold war jet bombers were), it has quite a few details that show its recent piston engine heritage, such as the nose, which looks more like that found on a prop-engine bomber. So I think I'll do something a little more like the first american & british jet-bombers. It'll be somewhat like the AR234 but with a more aerodynamic nose, and diferent engine configuration.

Isn't that the Pe-4 bomber or something. The soviets would practice launching parasite fighers off of it in the 30's.

Originally posted by Smoking mirror

Heres a picture of something like it would look, this is not my model, its from the aircombat flight sim, IL2;

This would be an extremely welcome addition! -- I'm using (of course) a modified tech tree, with "Heavier-Than-Air Flight" being followed by "Pressurized Cabins". Given six-month turns (and, however beautiful, how relatively ineffectual early bombers like the Gotha were) this would make the perfect first "real" bomber unit, perhaps with yet another intermediary flight advance ...

-Oz

Yeah, my mod starts in 1936, so most civs will be stuck with an obsolete biplane fighter & bomber force for the first dozen turns or so. I need to make the units to a high quality because some civs will be unable to upgrade thier whole force untill early 1939 or so (if I can get the scenario to mirror real life). Also some layers may like to try launching a pre-emptive strike against the main agressors of the Real War such as germany, before they have a chance to build their wonder weapons such as the ME109.

Any way, Ive been working on a generic jet bomber, Comments are welcome, Its put together from modified parts of the existing models, somewhat like military projects are designed in real life. :)

Its suposed to be around the switch from piston engines to jet engines, so it still has a slightly antiquated look, not quite as advanced as later cold war models, but still better than piston engine powered bombers;

Reminds me of the Canberra bomber from the 50's

Looks good SM, cant wait to play your mod :).

Yeah, its kinad based on britains first jet bomber, but not quite. :) Many fo the jet designs from this era were based on captured ME262s, so the two jet engines on the wings was kinda standard practice, and for an early jet with its low fuel efficiency extra fuel tanks on the wings makes quite a lot of sense.

Ok going by the poll, I'll make the generic 1930s fighter and then the jet bomber (unless the poll changes between now and then).

O.K last preview for the moment (gotta actualy make the units) :D

Here are some of the planes at their Civ Scale, You can see how well the colour replacement works. At the top is the southern European and african colour scheme, this will be used by such civs as Italy, spain & the middle eastern civs such as Iraq & (should they be included) Israel.
The middle is the northern civ camoflage, used by civs such as norway, sweden, denmark, france, the UK & Russia (though I may do a special dark grey colour for the soviets).
Finaly at the bottom is a possible American colour scheme. I'm not sure if I will use this for my own mod, as it relys on either the americans having blue or white as a civ colour or the planes having no civ colour.

Any way here are the fighters;

And here are the bombers;

A very good idea, and these planes all look good!! I am looking forward to you beginning on the tanks aswell...

So this mean you will make generic tanks and planes all up to around 1980s? If so, it would be fantastic...

Just lengthen the nose on the jet bomber and it actually resembles a U2 spyplane a bit

This previes look very nice. Anyway, i think there is a lack on latest units, since i've seen some diverse planes from world war 2 times around here. But i havent seen an non-usa modern bomber and quite few non-usa planes.

Very nice units, SM :thumbsup:

Could you also try to make fighter bombers, and also some naval fighter? With perhaps a torpedo attack?

Hmm.. Fighter bombers, and naval bombers are quite difficult to make as generic designs because those nations that did use them tended to use very diverse & unique designs.

I'm thinking of making a twin engine fighter bomber, resembling the British mosquito or German BF110, which could also be used as a naval fighter. However the problem with making a torpedo attack is that the unit can also attack land targets & the attack animation would look a bit silly when used against tanks etc...

I'm probably going to do a few Generic tanks, probably a generic light tank and a Generic medium tank. When it come to the heavier designs it becomes more difficult because it was only the germans, russians & americans who actualy developed mass produced heavy tanks during wwII, all of which were of very different designs. After the war, strong medium tanks wre developed by america & russia (the T55 & M60) and then sold to thier client states in europe & the rest of the world. Only in the modern age have individual nations realy begun developing thier own tank design, & these are often modified variations of foreign designs produced under licence (it being much cheaper).

How about a Centurian tank incase the war goes beyond 1945? :)

I know that's not generic, but this is one of the few threads that embraces the concept of rewriting history with "what if...?"

Originally posted by Smoking mirror
I'm thinking of making a twin engine fighter bomber, resembling the British mosquito or German BF110, which could also be used as a naval fighter. However the problem with making a torpedo attack is that the unit can also attack land targets & the attack animation would look a bit silly when used against tanks etc...


Let's pray in Conquest they will differentiate land and sea bombardment:worshp:

Originally posted by aaglo
If I can help you more, please ask ;) (my todo-list is almost empty)
Really?!?!?! ;) I can think of a few units you could work n. :groucho:

@SM,

I would love to see that WWI Bomber take flight.

O.k The early fighter is almost finished. Ive done all the standard animations but I want to do a special "early fighter" bombard animation, with machinegun fire raking the ground, rather than a bomb exploding. Should be finished by tomorrow.

I see there are quite few votes for an early generic jet fighter, despite the fact that Ive not actualy made a model yet. For my own mod I was thinking of using one of BeBros 1950s fighters, either the mig or the sabre. But I supose it might be nice to carry on the theme and make one to add to the series.

Next will probably be the jetbomber.

Love the death animation, and the staffing run sounds like a great idea!

But you do have plans to make tanks aswell? covering 1930-1980s?

Great work! Nice looking aircraft...!

Oh, you haven't considered doing pre 1930 planes and tanks as well though?

AND, machinegunfire raking the ground sounds like an absolutely fantastic idea! At least for early planes

Yeah, I plan on doing some tanks; Though you may notice that there are already tons of flavour tanks for this period, though there are some gaps I hope to fill.

Ive adjusted the jetbomber Model slightly, it seemed underpowered with only two engines so Ive added another on each wing;

Yeah, it really is tons of tanks, literally, but I wish there where some more "generic" as you plan to do...

O.K. The most votes currently are for the one that Ive not actualy made a model for; The jetfighter.

Ive had several ideas, Though its difficult to come up with a generic "first flight" jet design as they were all so different in real life.

So please choose frm the following, Though I can combine or redesign elements according to requests;

I like the black one the best:goodjob: but they all look awsome:goodjob:

They all look great! But if I would make a choice........ a hard one.... I would choose the upper one....

I like the middle one.

SM I like the bottom one though could you add the wing tips from the top one I'd think you'd have a winner:goodjob:
If you don't build this version could still build it for me I'd have use for it in my personnal mod ;) thanks Klyde.

SM on your 4 engine Jet Bomber I think that if you add Dorsil turret & tail gunner you'd have a winner ;)

Hmmm... its a hard decsision. The top one is a highly modified american p-80 shooting star, the middle one is modeled somewhat on the german ME 262, and the bottom one somewhat on the American Bell p-59 Airacomet. I may do a later Jetfighter also, and possibly a british de havilland vampire as a british UU.

When it comes to the Jetbomber I wanted a design that made use of its high speed rather than fighting ability. By the time of the jetbombers nearly all bombers received fighter escorts, so there was little need for these planes to have traditional machinegun turret protection.

I'm not sure which jetfighter I will do, probably a modified version of the top model.

SM what I based my I idea was the IL-28 & TU-16 designs

Oh yeah! that looks great, Maybe I'll do an Armoured Jetbomber variant; More expensive but harder to shoot down. Instead of two small engines on each wing, it'll have one big one.

Anyway I've finalised my jet fighter design, I think I'll modify the middle model, to make a 1945 era generic jet, kind of a cross between the meteor and the ME262, and use this design (below) as a 1950 era generic ground attack jet, as its somewhat based on the shooting star which sar most action in the korean war.

I'll use Bebros exelent early migs and american planes for the 1950s+ for the moment. Perhaps later I'll do some generic cold war designs....

Any way, what do people think of this for a generic ground attack jet, Ive not armed it yet, it'll prolly have a rack of rockets under the wings, and a bomb underneath;

SM I think it all sounds & looks great:D
I like the idea for the missiles & bombs under the wings.
Though could you still do my jet version for me please....:worshp:

Smokey, that jet looks great! :thumbsup:

Hey SM I found these early russian jets
1st is the MIG-9 & 2nd is the YAK-15... whata ya think there SM... do you think you mite take run at these.......:D

Here's the YAK-15......

Hmmm... the mig nine looks very much like a slightly clumsy rendition of the mig 15, while the yak15 looks like a yak 9 WWII fighter with a jetengine built in to the front...

That is perhaps something I may consider, A very early Jet interceptor, the yak-9 being one of the best fighters or russia in WWII.

I love that Yak-9 design, and since it is a generic unit it makes sense that nations that don't have the resources for "from-scratch" development would try and take the best WWII planes available reinforce their frame and throw a jet engine on them. You could make a jet version of the Mustang and the Spitfire along with that Yak-9 and give those generic jets to the countries that would have to buy the old WWII planes and upgrade them. In the meantime the "major" countries get the planes that they developed during the Cold War.

Hmmm.. Havn't made too much progress with the actual animation of these units just lately cos Ive been working on the actual modeling, specificly of the death animation, the smoke I usualy use for tanks etc.. don't look quite right for planes so Ive been working on something a little different.

Here was my first attempt, not quite right, though I did begin to perfect my "bullet hole texture";

However I have managed to get the effect looking how I want it, and when I come back from visiting my girlfriend this weekend I should be able to start work on the animations.

Heres the explosion for the jet bomber, its going to be very dramatic, prolly exposing the inner Skeleton;

And for the Bomber, and 4 engine bomber, a slightly slower end, the engines will burn as the plane starts to break up;

Very cool SM :thumbsup:

The bomber is becoming swiss cheese I see :lol:

looks fantastic!

-Oz

Awsome:goodjob: best I have seen:goodjob:

I must congratulate you. those are wonderful death animations.
keep it up!

:goodjob:

O.K nearly finished the bomber, Got a bit carried away trying to get the death sequence just right, I finished at 15 frames, but I could have kept going till about 30. :) I just wish I could do this sort of thing with bigger graphics, Civ III animations always lok a bit unimpressive cos of size limitations.


Any way, heres a preview of the death, The run animation went wrong (to much roll moverment) so I'll have to do that one again.

Preview;

The only problem is that I optimised the death for mid air interception, it won't look quite so good when you destroy planes by capturing a city (where they just blow up in mid air).

VERY COOL!

No posts in the last 18 days. Just wanted to ask how goes the creation??

hands clapping

Wow, didn´t check this thread earlier - lots of great stuff here. I love those death anims :)

Ah well, I am still working on these. Quite slowly, cos Nearly every weekend I make a 300 mile round trip on the train to visit my girlfriend in Kent. She doesnt have a computer so we have to do "other things" (non civ related) :)

However, I still have evenings after work, so they will be done eventualy.

Ah, yes, the long distance relationship... I know your pain. Thankfully, my girlfriend comes to see me. I'll just be happy when we're back at school together.

Kent? Hmm... don't know anything about Kent save for what Eddie Izzard says.

*bump*

:viking:

I am glad you bumped this thread Wolfhart or I would have never seen it. Smoking Mirror, this is something I've wanted for a while and I am looking forward to your generic fighter and bomber to replace the ones already in the game. Also, I am looking forward to your generic tanks whenever you get the chance.

SM, how are things coming with your mod/scenario?

Hmmm. the mods onhold again for a little while. I may wait for conquests (as I imagine its gonna have a few good units and improvements etc.. theat I can steal. However work continues on the planes, just last night I was working on the generic bomber, & its nearly ready. However Iv'e got a lot of projects going at once & right now, in another window on my desk top I'm working on my giant spider rider....

And your char B1? And your partisan? I dobut they will be in conquest, and they would be nice to have.

Great units, Smoking Mirror! I'm looking forward for their release!

This (http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=998872) 50ies ground attack jet you made looks very much like the Aermacchi MB-326 (aka Atlas Impala, aka Commonwealth CA-30, aka Embraer AT-26). Take a look here (http://www.rudnei.cunha.nom.br/FAB/eng/at-26.html) for more info on this plane.

Also, do you plan to make later (70ies - 80ies) fighters? If so, I guess the Embraer-Aermacchi A-1 may be a good generic plane... More on it here (http://www.rudnei.cunha.nom.br/FAB/eng/a-1.html) .

http://www.rudnei.cunha.nom.br/FAB/imagens/ya-14201.jpg

Hmm... about the CharB1;

Iv'e finished nearly all the animations, but I don't know where they are. :( they are on the same CD as the partisan model I made. When I find it, I'll make the units.

:eek: You need to find them :scan: It would really be a pitty if they just disappear.

SM How about an update:p