View Full Version : Which sport requires the most talent/skill.


SunTzu
Jun 12, 2003, 03:50 AM
In my opinion, Baseball requires the most talent/skill. You must have great coordination, reflexes, strenght, speed(not always, but the ideal player would have it) and just over all skill.
Arm strenght - you gotta be able to throw the ball long and hard, or just long or hard, depending on the position you play. As a pitcher you need the ability to throw different kinds of balls(curve, fastball, slider, slurve, knuckle, screw ect...) its difficult enough to learn and master a curve ball, well even a fast ball is difficult for people who just start playing ;) and the curveball isn't near the most difficult pitch to learn. If your an outfield you gotta be able to throw the ball a long distance, throw it hard and accurately. Try hitting a person 350 feet away with a ball that will tend to drift in the wind. You need great reaction time and hand eye coordination when it comes to batting, for example. Your expecting a fastball(for u non-baseball fans, thats a pitch that is really fast and is pretty much thrown straight) but then he comes at you with an 82mph curve. You gotta be good to adjust to an 82mph curve ball when expecting that 97 mph fastball.
Overall speed(running to catch a pop fly in the outfield, or running to snag a grounder in the infield. Trying to steal a base, or just trying to beat out the throw at first.
All sports require great skill, but your a helluva athelete if your good at baseball, especially if your good enough to play in the big leagues. :goodjob:

Dell19
Jun 12, 2003, 04:05 AM
Quite a limited amount of options so I simply voted for football :)

Ville
Jun 12, 2003, 04:12 AM
I have no idea but I vote Soccer;)

col
Jun 12, 2003, 04:24 AM
Going through the list

SunTzu has made a good case for baseball but as far as I can see it is primarily about athletic ability and fast reactions. Batting lacks the finesse of cricket for example where spin and bounce are much difficult to judge. Pitchers have variety but are essentially the same.

Footie - well of course there is skill here but lets face it its a running and kicking game only.

US Football - again primarily athletic - pace and strength

Basketball - a game dominated sadly by physical freaks. Of course Jordan is amazing but its not a game that can be dominated by a skillful five footer.

Ice Hockey - technique, hand -eye coordination, strength, pace, individual brilliance and team awareness. Best yet.

But my winner is :


Cricket! In no other game can such a variety of physical types perform at the top level. Fatty batsman (and bowlers Shane), strong fast pace bowlers, subtle spin bowlers. In what other sport can someone handicapped by polio tunr out to be one of the sports top performers (many bowlers from Chandra through to Murali). The skill level of batsmen and bowlers is higher than any other sport. Mistakes are instantly punished. No three strikes here. The genius of some players is not too strong a word.

Cricket it is then.

Thuloid
Jun 12, 2003, 04:54 AM
SunTzu has made a good case for baseball but as far as I can see it is primarily about athletic ability and fast reactions. Batting lacks the finesse of cricket for example where spin and bounce are much difficult to judge. Pitchers have variety but are essentially the same.

I don't think that's quite true--batting in baseball is very much a finesse issue. For one, the bat is round and rather narrow, making solid contact that much more difficult. Batting safely 30 percent of the time is excellent in baseball--batting safely more than 40 percent of the time for an entire major league season hasn't been accomplished since 1941. That alone suggests it's a supremely difficult task.

Pitchers in baseball vary much more than you seem to think--pitchers use at least eight different grips on the ball to achieve different types of spin and curvature, their pitches can vary in speed from 50 to 100 miles per hour or more, and they have a variety of windups, deliveries, and release points to choose from. Certainly, few human activities have been shown to put greater stress on one's arm (and to cause more injuries) than throwing a baseball. Batters must learn to read the pitcher's release point, arm motion, and the spin on the ball, as well as guessing approximate intended pitch location and gauging that against the strike zone. Successful hitting in baseball takes years to learn, and many exceptional athletes never master it--Michael Jordan never did learn to hit a curve.

Honestly, though, the highest skill level in baseball may be displayed in fielding the ball--an exceptional defensive shortstop must have the agility, reflexes and intuition to respond instantly to the ball upon contact, as well as a strong, accurate arm to deliver the ball to first base, even when off-balance, in mid-air, or moving away from the target.

Darkness
Jun 12, 2003, 05:04 AM
football.... (soccer for you Americans.. ;))

Rhye
Jun 12, 2003, 05:09 AM
football (soccer) requires skill for everything but hands. It's not only a matter of kicking. And if you consider the various roles of baseball, then you should consider goalkeepers.
I don't know baseball very well, but AFAIK some of the players for example don't have to run because they become specialized in doing one thing only. Or not?

Simon Darkshade
Jun 12, 2003, 06:58 AM
Tie between Cricket and Aussie Rules Football.

MrPresident
Jun 12, 2003, 07:03 AM
I have to agree with Col. Staying out in bat for hours on end facing a vast array of different balls each requring maximum concentration and all the while having to run with heavy pads on. That requires a tremendous amount of skill. Then you have to factor in fielding, which perhaps requires more concentration because you could have nothing to do for a long time and then have to catch a ball moving very fast through the air with your bare hands. Overall I would say the wicket keeper is perhaps the most talented of all cricket players, especially if they are a top of the order batsman like Alec Stewart.

Lambert Simnel
Jun 12, 2003, 08:23 AM
I keep getting an invalid session error when I try to vote, but I would have opted for baseball of the ones offered.

I think soccer requires a far narrower range of skills, and while cricket could allow a very wide range of skills to be displayed, frankly most non-Aussies are one trick ponies who get found out pretty easily by anyone prepared to watch repeated footage of their batting/ bowling.

But this does look like a very American orientated list of sports...

jack merchant
Jun 12, 2003, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by col

Footie - well of course there is skill here but lets face it its a running and kicking game only.


You wouldn't happen to be English, would you ? :p ;)

I like the cases presented for cricket and baseball, even if I don't care much for either sport. Call it a tie :)

phoenix_night
Jun 12, 2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by col
Cricket it is then.

Yes.

Originally posted by MrPresident
especially if they are a top of the order batsman like Alec Stewart.

A top order batsman maybe, but hardly a top order wicket keeper these days.

JJP
Jun 12, 2003, 11:49 AM
Football (soccer). :)

Smash
Jun 12, 2003, 12:03 PM
Not that it matters but in the old Superstars competitions,Hockey players dominated followed by Soccer players.But Hockey players never were around for the finals due to their sport's seasons and Brian Bud always won(soccer player).
Footballers were poor performers and even worse were Baseball players.They have no cardio.
Basketballers were seldom invited for obvious reasons.Their overall athletic ability is very poor with the odd exception like MJ.They are just too big to play anything else.

Overall,I would say Soccer players.Great coordination.Great cardio.Explosive speed.They are the best overall athletes.Don't put them in weight lifting though ;)
I don't if I can say most talented and skilled though.Thats relative.Put a ball on their foot and amazing things happen.Put skates on them or a bat in their hands and something else happens.
Talent and skill might fall into something like golf,tennis,bowling,darts,snooker etc.

Hitro
Jun 12, 2003, 12:15 PM
Either Football or Hockey, the second needs the skating skills but the first has more tactical diversity.

WildFire
Jun 12, 2003, 12:39 PM
Hockey because you have to shoot, pass, skate and many other things all at the same time.

Ever see those commercials for hockey? Try to do your job on ice

Suppersalmon
Jun 12, 2003, 12:47 PM
Football (Soccer)

SHard
Jun 12, 2003, 01:09 PM
After reading what everyone has said I would probably have to say cricket. The mental strength required to bat for hours on end without making one single mistake is incredible. Every shot requires split second time.

Likewise bowling takes a lot of skill. Top bowlers are expected to bowl on target every time.

And fielding is a lot harder than in Baseball as you'll find you don't get a huge glove on one of your hands ;)

prettyvacant
Jun 12, 2003, 01:28 PM
Nice to have my prejudices confirmed by sound arguments from others. I agree that the amount of time and thus the concentration needed tips the balance in favour of cricket from baseball.

Two other points: imho athleticism completely different from skill, and golf - hitting a stationary ball must rule that out surely.

When (how) does cricket get added to the poll?

Dell19
Jun 12, 2003, 01:32 PM
You cannot add new items to a poll, although that may have changed since my times playing the demo games. Anyway what about Chess? :)

prettyvacant
Jun 12, 2003, 01:41 PM
There is an *edit poll - moderators* button. What happens if I press it? - electric shock up my mouse? Do I have to appeal to the mods, or to the thread starter?

:worship: :worship: (c'mon guys)

Dell19
Jun 12, 2003, 01:58 PM
It should come up with the same error page that you see when you try to post when not logged in... and thats without trying it.

SunTzu
Jun 12, 2003, 04:36 PM
your trying to change the poll of the thread i started? you should've just asked me to add some sports and i would've changed them

Bose
Jun 12, 2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Tie between Cricket and Aussie Rules Football.
I guess not many people here have seen Aussie Rules played so they wont understand. It requires the speed, agility, courage and skill with every part of the body unseen in any other sport.

I can't believe so many said soccer. Yep, use every part of your body don't you. Those round balls are so unpredictable too... what a joke.

Rhye
Jun 12, 2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Bose
Yep, use every part of your body don't you. Those round balls are so unpredictable too... what a joke.

Have you ever played soccer?

ivory
Jun 12, 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Dell19
Anyway what about Chess? :)
Interesting case, very convincing.
My vote goes to tennis. Not only does it require all the strategic forethought and psychological analyses of the opponent that is most if not all that chess is about, but it incorporates this in a highly physical environment where short sprints and long battles call for a talent that is allround.

Smash
Jun 12, 2003, 09:30 PM
As far as golf is concerned you try hitting that "stationary" ball and see how easy it is.It is the only game I can think where every factor is working against you.The eye/hand required to be good is considerable.

I have seen Aussie rules football and that is indeed a complete test of an athlete.Just smoke a guy and..."sorry about that mate" 10 yards...just crazy.I understand most of the players are not exactly rich and have regular jobs :eek:

Tennis is a high skill game.But is it a complete test of one's athletism and skill?..maybe.

Of course in chess,there is only skill.Nothing else exists on the chessboard.Although an 8 round tournament can be very grueling and will mess up your body and mind pretty good.

The more I think about it,the harder it is to pick just one.But none of these were choices in the poll :p

Bose
Jun 12, 2003, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Smash
I have seen Aussie rules football and that is indeed a complete test of an athlete.Just smoke a guy and..."sorry about that mate" 10 yards...just crazy.I understand most of the players are not exactly rich and have regular jobs.
Yep, most players have regular jobs, oh, excluding every single one of them. The base salary is $120,000, the higest paid players are on around $500,000 (excluding endorsements) and can tell you with certainty that there are absolutely no players in the AFL with regular jobs. I have 3 friends that play at the highest level and they will all be millionares at the end of their careers.

You have obviously only seen Australian Rules Football on highlight reels where they only show the big hits. Any other ball sports require you to regularily catch a ball upwards of 12 foot in the air, sometimes against 4 opponents? How about kicking and hand passing off both sides of your body to a target when both parties are sprinting, and usually when there is another guy running at you with intensions of crushing you? Then there is the small matter of kicking an oval ball through an 8 metre goal from 50 metres away...

I'm not bagging soccer, and yes Rhye, i played soccer for 3 years and like the game a lot. It's very challenging and is a great game, but since i started playing Aussie Rules i can tell you there are more skills involved in AR. There's no crying in our game either whenever someone comes within 6 inches of your legs... but i realise most players don't carry on like that.

I believe, and this is my opinion only, that soccer wouldn't be the only world game if sports such as Gaelic, Gridion, Aussie Rules, and Rugby had been around as long and been marketed as well as soccer.

SunTzu
Jun 12, 2003, 11:16 PM
I like soccer, it is my second fav. sport behind baseball. But i agree with bose, soccer doesn't require the most talent/skill.
And i believe as smash has said, Golf isn't some easy sport to earn. I'm a strong guy and i can only hit the golf ball 200-250yds with my driver, i'm just now being able to hit the ball straight off the tee. I have no clue how to make the ball hook or slice(on purpose ;) ). i'll add some new sports to the poll now

SunTzu
Jun 12, 2003, 11:18 PM
jeez, seems like they changed it to where only mods can change polls, the thread started used to be able to change polls also. eh, oh well.

col
Jun 13, 2003, 03:26 AM
Let me know what you want to add SZ and I'll add the options.

Frisian Warrior
Jun 13, 2003, 03:57 AM
Swimming.

Simon Darkshade
Jun 13, 2003, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Bose
I believe, and this is my opinion only, that soccer wouldn't be the only world game if sports such as Gaelic, Gridion, Aussie Rules, and Rugby had been around as long and been marketed as well as soccer.

It is mine as well, with the modification that Football has been around longer than Gridiron, Association football, and Rugby Union, IIRC. It just hasn't been marketed. If the Yanks had invented it, then the whole world would play it, and others would pale in comparison. Of course, if the Yanks had invented it, then it would be a rather different game indeed... :ack:

Grisu
Jun 13, 2003, 05:12 AM
I'm going for hockey. You need lots of strength, coordination, and tactics. And it's an extremely fast sport.

polymath
Jun 13, 2003, 05:32 AM
Really don't know, but surprised no-one has mentioned polo.

Dell19
Jun 13, 2003, 06:32 AM
I think we actually need a new poll so that everyone can vote again and I didn't go into the skills of Chess as I assumed everyone would know and I was just pointing it out as another possible option :p

col
Jun 13, 2003, 07:11 AM
Chess isnt a sport - its a game. Decided by no less than the Olympic committee. Sport has to have some athletic component.
I guess Darts and Snooker might qualify though ;)

MrPresident
Jun 13, 2003, 07:41 AM
Maybe they should change chess to make it into the sport. So, for example, the players should be required to run a certain distance before each move. As each move is timed then that would mean the fastest runners would have more time to think but the quicker thinkers would have more time to do the run. Everyone a winner.

Dell19
Jun 13, 2003, 07:47 AM
Or simply make the board really big and the pieces relatively heavy plus add in move timing so you have only so much time to move. Then you would need to be strong fast and clever :p

MrPresident
Jun 13, 2003, 10:14 AM
I just thought of a way to make chess more interesting and since we are talking about chess I thought that the hell. Seafood chess. Seafood would be used instead of normal chess pieces, prawns for pawns being the most obvious example. Everytime a piece was taken the opposite has to eat it. This would mean the game would take on a much more dangerous dimension after a couple of hours, especially in hot climates. I also have the motto for the game. It is not the winning that counts, it is the race to the toilet.

tonberry
Jun 13, 2003, 11:55 AM
Baseball require lots of skills but it doesn't require a good cardio.

I vote for hockey but without much conviction. Football (soccer) may be the best but hockey is more violent.

SunTzu
Jun 13, 2003, 12:23 PM
col, put cricket, tennis and golf up there, don't know why i forgot to add 2 of the 3 onto that poll :p

col
Jun 13, 2003, 01:09 PM
Done - and all the votes wiped so we can start again.

WillJ
Jun 13, 2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by SunTzu
col, put cricket, tennis and golf up there, don't know why i forgot to add 2 of the 3 onto that poll :p Why not add as many as you can think of, along with the all-powerful "other" option?

Here's some:

(the three you mentioned)
Swimming
Track and field
Bicycling
Rugby
Polo
Field hockey
Lacrosse (sp?)
Wrestling
Surfing
Skateboarding
Fencing
Rock climbing/other "extreme" sports
(and don't forget other!)

It's tough to say, but excluding cricket (which sounds demanding, but I don't know much about it), I'd have to say ice hockey.

Edit: Col, can you please change it again? There's no reason whatsoever for not having an "other" option, at least. :)

tonberry
Jun 13, 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by col
Done - and all the votes wiped so we can start again.

I can't. My vote is already counted. That's ok because I won't change it but I wonder why :confused:

Wolfe Tone
Jun 13, 2003, 03:40 PM
Hurling, the fastest game on the field.

Rhye
Jun 13, 2003, 06:26 PM
it says i've already voted

Hitro
Jun 13, 2003, 07:31 PM
Yes it does that for me as well. Apparently who has voted did not get set back.

tonberry
Jun 13, 2003, 09:04 PM
But I see only 2 votes: one for hockey and one for golf.

ivory
Jun 13, 2003, 10:11 PM
Now there are 3: and tennis, as promoted earlier. I have yet to read anything against it. All the "but hockey requires speed" and such goes for tennis too, every fraction of a second. Perhaps even more so because you 're on your own (when you 're not playing doubles).

Dell19
Jun 14, 2003, 04:14 AM
Cool so you can clear the votes but people who have previously voted cannot vote again :lol: We could all post our votes and then let Col add them to the poll :)

Hagbart
Jun 14, 2003, 10:46 AM
I voted Football (euro), but you wiped my vote and I can't vote again.!

Inter4
Jun 14, 2003, 02:29 PM
Soccer of course

col
Jun 15, 2003, 06:11 AM
Maybe someone can post a new poll and we can all start this one again..... WillJ . You're nominated ;)

Simon Darkshade
Jun 15, 2003, 12:12 PM
In no other sport would ye have a long term test of endurance, will and skill as in cricket, as exemplified by Mike Atherton's feat of batting for two days against the world's fastest bowler on a dodgy track to save a test in 1995.:cool:

WillJ
Jun 15, 2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by col
Maybe someone can post a new poll and we can all start this one again..... WillJ . You're nominated ;) :D Done and done.