Model based on a picture of a Persian Cataphract...

I would like to make up some sounds for this one but I thought I'd post it as is. I don't know when I might work up something so if someone else wants to make some all I ask is that you post them below for others to use.

File (1.3mb):
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/Cataphract.zip

Preview of the default:

Preview of the Run:

awesome unit kinboat! :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :)

Fantastic! Truly awesome :goodjob: :)

Oh my... this looks absolutely marvellous!!

:love: The unit of my dreams.

Great additional UU for the Persians, have it replace the knight as a 4-3-2, available at chivalry, requires horses (but not iron), upgrades to cavalry.

Very nice work indeed.

:worship:

I've liked the look of this one since the preview. :king: Thank you!

absolutely awsome:eek: :goodjob:

Say I want to use this as a knight flavour unit. Who should build it? The Greeks (Byzantines) and the persians. And probably the Babylonians (they were conquered by persia). What about the other middle east civs? Ottomans, Egypt? Carthage?

God bless you! :love:

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
God bless you! :love:

Thanks :love:

no original or custom unit has this level of detail :eek:

This looks extremely generic from a distance. I'll use it for all civs except for maybe the far eastern ones.

Absolutely amazing, and much needed as well! :D I'll use it for a 'Heavy Cavalry' replacement for Middle Eastern civs (Babylon, Egypt, the Arab Caliphates, Persia, the Ottoman Empire and the Byzantine Empire).

And you retained the bow and arrow attack animation? If so, I would give this unit a small bombard defense value to represent this. Then I could also make Kryten's 'Horse Archer' its predecessor, both wielding a bow.

Just my two cents, and thanks again, Kinboat! :D :D :)

Kinboat this is truly the best unit ever made :love: :worship: :thumbsup: :worship: [dance]

:eek: It is.... It is.... Hm... Its is... :eek:

(Steph unable to find words)

High quality as always!:goodjob: , you should work for Firaxis, then you would be rich

Originally posted by postal!2k(BR)
High quality as always!:goodjob: , you should work for Firaxis, then you would be rich

But if he worked for Firaxis we would have to pay for his work ;)

Amazing Job Kinboat, as always. :)

Great unit, like always!!! Thanks Kinboat

Another wonderful unit!

Wonderful looking unit, Kinboat. I've been waiting for this one ever since I saw your preview. Now I'll have to wait a little longer because I won't be home for a few days.:(

Keep us posted on what your working on, it keeps the forums exciting.:thumbsup:

Couldn´t agree more - absolutely phantastic. I wish I could do such great mounted units

Keep up the great work!!! :)

Beautiful! Really a work of Art.

any history on this unit I know nothing about the real one.

Great work by the way:goodjob:

Edit: Hey could you make a Canadian Mountie. I know one has already been made but I just would be interested in what you could do. If not its no big deal. :)

Exquisite Details and Animations Kinboat...Not enough O's in Smoooooooooooth to describe this unit. Great Work:goodjob:

Terrific Unit, but the attack file is wrong :(

alireza1354 - ???
it is perfectly ok here.

What? I missed the release of this unit? I'm glad someone revivied the thread. Kinboat, this is awesome.

Like everyone else here, I think this unit looks great:goodjob:

Kinboat, do you have any information on this unit? I can only find a little bit of info on the Byzantine Cataphracts.

By the way, what would be the civs in the game that are most related to the Byzantines? I was thinking the Ottomans, but are there any others?

Not really much... I based the design on a picture provided by Yoda Power... He should be able to give you more info. I believe it could be used for the Persians, Ottomans, and maybe even the Greeks (or Romans maybe since the Byzantine Empire was an eastern province at one time)... Not sure what other civs would fit as I don't remember the whole list :)

Although most closely associated with the Byzantines, "Cataphract" (which IIRC simply means "armored" -- e.g., there were so-called "cataphracted" galleys) is somewhat generic, refering to partially armored cavalry equipped with both bows and shock arms (swords and/or spears). The earliest application of the term is used re: the Sassanid Persians in the 3rd century CE, although, again, it most often refers to the Byzantines. Byzantine cataphracts were the best cavalry in the world at the time -- professionals, capable of dealing with both Western European shock cavalry and Eastern horse archers. I'm still playing around with stats, but I believe they should be slightly better in both attack and defense than the knight, and have some missile fire capacity, as well as an additional hit-point due to the rarity of other, contemporary, professional armies.

-Oz

PS closest relative Civ would have to be the Romans, although this is in some ways a stretch, as the Byzantine Empire was based around a Hellenized, far more urban culture than the Western Roman Empire. Language and religion soon separated them from their western brethren; their cultural contacts to the east made them a cultural hybrid; and their military was influenced by both the eastern horse-archers and the Vikings (the ones who turned east were known as Varangians, and travelled down the riverways of Russia, and became the palace guard at Constantinople).

-Oz

Thats some good information Oz, so are there any other Civs other then the Romans that you think could use this unit?

Originally posted by SK138
Thats some good information Oz, so are there any other Civs other then the Romans that you think could use this unit?

As I mentioned, Sassanid (post-Parthian Empire) Persians; I'm unaware of any other military deploying similar units.

What about the Ottomans? Weren't they around the same area as the Byzantines or am I wrong?

The Ottomans were but one clan of Turks who didn't strut onto the historical scene until about 1360 CE -- although they, of course, were the ones who eventually finished off the Byzantines, with Constantinople falling in 1453.

The first Turks to bump into the European sphere -- or nearly so --was a 6th century Khanate in Transoxiana (east of the Aral Sea -- the area including Samarkhand and Bukhara).

Byzantium was devasted by the Turkish Seljuk Sultanate overrunning the larger part of Anatolia -- modern Turkey -- after the Byzantine military disaster at Manzikert in 1071 CE.

-- And, really, the comings and goings and fusings and splittings of the various Turkish states and tribes is quite intricate!

Hoping that's enough for the moment :) ,

Oz

"The name "Byzantine" is a modern term, first used
long after the Empire had succumbed to the Turks.
The "Byzantines" never considered themselves
anything but Romans, even though they only spoke
Greek and had lost control of Rome early in their history.
It was probably this change in the "official" language
from Latin to Greek that made the eastern empire appear
as a new entity and not what it was: a continuation
of the Roman empire." The Forgotten Empire.
Stephen B Patrick

Making the Cataphract an Ottoman unit would to me be
absurd: such as making Tiger a Russian unit or T-34
a German unit.

Regarding the unit:

5*****.


Rocoteh

ok, thanks for all the info Oz and Rocoteh

I think it's my favourite custom unit, the civlopedia pic is great.

I'm going to use it regardless if it is anti-Ottoman for the sipahi in the Middle-Ages conquest, the guns on the Firaxis unit annoy me. It'll look good going up against utahjazz7's Byzantine Heavy Cataphract

This is a saracen cavalry

Originally posted by alireza1354
This is a saracen cavalry

No. This is a Byzantine cavalry.

its neither- its a perisan cataphract, Byzantines went for far more heavy horsemen, at least until the thematic system went down the drain, and the saracens wetn for somthing about as, operhapos a bit more light, but of a different style of dress

You're All Wrong! It is a Unit for Civ III! :mwaha:


..... Okay, that was dumb.

I don't know how I missed this one before - it's brilliant :goodjob: !!

Xen is right... I based the unit on a picture that was supposed to represent a Persian origin...

Goldflash however is more right :D in that it isn't really persian or anything other than a semi-random grouping of colored dots that approximates the rough image of some guy on a hoofed ungulate.

:lol:

Holy God, that was EXACTLY what I was looking for :goodjob:

Why the hell isn't it in the Unit Library ?

Originally posted by Akka
Holy God, that was EXACTLY what I was looking for :goodjob:

Why the hell isn't it in the Unit Library ?


There are quite a few units that never made it into the library.

However, I keep a pretty close eye on units made. Are there any others you are looking for? They may be out there somewhere.

Hello Kinboat :)

is there a site/thread where one can oversee all of your units ?? you made so many (and I hope I got all;)) yet it would be great would there be a place where all your units would be presented to the civ3 modding audience :goodjob:

Originally posted by W.i.n.t.e.r
Hello Kinboat :)

is there a site/thread where one can oversee all of your units ?? you made so many (and I hope I got all;)) yet it would be great would there be a place where all your units would be presented to the civ3 modding audience :goodjob:

They can do a sort by "Thread Starter" (The sort options are at the bottom of the page) and I think Kinboat's units will be on page 11 or 12.

Might I suggest that someone (probably the unit creators themselves) start a thread which showcases all of their units. If this is acceptable by the forum moderators, and they can place their units in this new thread. I for one enjoy the units created by Kinboat, utah, ebryodead, Don Pedro, Aagloo, etc. and have no interest in most others. It would be nice to see all of their work, (and perhaps my own) showcased in a single thread.

That would be a good idea for individuals works. Usually you can find them on GIDustin's site as well. Actually I do believe aaglo is using one of his first unit's thread as a showcase for his units and their updates.

Well I have the links to all of my unit posts (at least all those I can find and remember :D ) I might post them somewhere.

:D

or, you could just organize the units forum by author.

Originally posted by tjedge1
That would be a good idea for individuals works. Usually you can find them on GIDustin's site as well.

Not really, While being a great site, GIDustin doesn't have HALF my units. And without sounding egotistical, I think my units are good enough to be included.

I would agree with you, Kindred72.

(Whence the 72, by the way?)

Originally posted by Mithadan
I would agree with you, Kindred72.

(Whence the 72, by the way?)

Kindred was taken when I signed up for this site. 72 being the year I was born. (no old guy jokes! ;) )

Your units are most certainly good enough to add to any list kindred :)

Originally posted by Kindred72
72 being the year I was born. (no old guy jokes! ;) )

:lol: Well, I wasn't quite in college, yet ...

:D ,

Oz

Here is a moded version of the Cataphract. The size is reduced to 92% and the shadow has the same brightness like the regular CIV3 ground units. It was a request from jade8880.

Thank you Kinboat for this great unit!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/CataphractKinboat_Animation_v1.00.gif

Download (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Alu__Kinboat_Cataphract_v1.00.zip)

Thank you Aluminium, I have been waiting for this change.

Thank you Aluminium, I have been waiting for this change.


Blessed be thou Aluminium :D can I voice a little request- the crusader unit could also do with a resize job ... (hint hint)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37402

Aluminium,

Thnak you for the superb work. It is a fantastic unit.

is this unit good for a byzantine cataphract? or is it only persian?

The additional units made by Kinboat and others look so cool, I wanted to try one. I didn't really see any major need, in game terms, for additional units, though; the designers seem to have done a good job in that regard. But Kinboat's Cataphract looked so cool, I had to try it out. So I decided to add it as a 3-2-2 unit between horseman and knight (tech: Monarchy, resources: horses and iron).

Here's my report on my first experience in adding units. Who cares if it's really necessary . . . IT'S FUN!!!

There's nothing quite like seeing a new unit you added yourself (with the help of the unit creator, of course) in action in the game. So, thank you, Kinboat, for the great unit, and thank you Colonel Kraken for the great "how to add units to C3C" tuturial!

I have a question, though. How would I add sound to the unit? I didn't realize how much I enjoy unit sounds until I saw one of my Cataphract units and one of the AI's Cataphract units silently slugging it out.

go into the folder of the unit.

see the notepad with gears? INI file..


open it

scroll down to sounds

then you must type the name

ex. attack.wav


if the sound already exist,

type ..\folder name\whatever goes here... all the way to\attack.wav

is this unit good for a byzantine cataphract? or is it only persian?

persian only. Use utahjazz cataphract for the Byzantines, and Krytens alteration of it for the Romans, and his other alteration for for the Parthians and Sarmatians

This unit actually came out really nice in the game also...many times units on here look cool on the preview but don't fit in the game(too big or funky colors, awkward movement, etc)

But this one fit perfect! Almost as if Firaxis intended it! Thank you sooo much.

I suggest you use Aluminium's version... it's just slightly more fitted to Civ3. It's just a few posts above this...

Also, try not to bump old threads just to say how it looks nice, please... :)

persian only. Use utahjazz cataphract for the Byzantines, and Krytens alteration of it for the Romans, and his other alteration for for the Parthians and Sarmatians

I don't like that unit. It seems to small compared to the other knights, and the horse armor doesn't seem an armor...