View Full Version : New Laws: Starting a CoL


Bootstoots
Jul 06, 2003, 07:59 PM
These are the two articles of a new CoL up for approval. They will take a majority vote to pass. If passed, they will take immediate effect and will be renamed article A and B. All Yes options will be aggregated and the one receiving the plurality of support of the three will be adopted should Yes be accepted by the citizens. Note that Article B is added because of recent controversy regarding PI procedure. This poll will be open for 48 hours. Discussion can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57544).
B. Judicial Matters
1. Judicial Review
a. Any citizen may call judicial review
whenever a question of rule interpretation arises.
b. The Judge Advocate may also call review to dismiss
Public Investigation charges.
c. Judicial Review is binding if 2 of 3 Judiciary members
agree with the review, except in dismissal of Public Investigations,
which require unanimous consent among the Judiciary.
2. Public Investigations
a. A Public Investigation may be requested by post in
the Judicial thread and/or a PM to the Judge Advocate. An accuser may
wish to remain anonymous, and the JA must honor this if the accuser
indicates this in the accusation PM.
b. The accuser must post which amendments or laws were
broken by this person.
c. The Judge Advocate must notify the Public Defender
of the charges so that a defense can be formulated.
d. If the Judge Advocate does not believe that the
charge has merit, he/she may move to dismiss the charges. If the
charges are found, either by the JA or by review, to have merit,
the Judge Advocate must start a PI discussion thread.
e. The discussion thread must be open for at least 48
hours. The Public Defender and the defendant have 24 hours to make the
first two replies, which are reserved for them. If they fail to do so,
anybody may post. The defendant also has the chance to plead guilty,
which will cause the trial poll phase of the PI to be skipped.
f. If the defendant did not plead guilty, the JA must
post a trial poll after closing the discussion thread. This poll must
be open for 48 hours and must have the options of Guilty, Innocent, and
Abstain. If the defendant if found guilty, the JA posts a sentencing poll.
g. The sentencing poll will be up for 48 hours and will be
in multiple choice format. It will
contain the following options:
1. Eviction from the Demo game
a. For previous offenders only
2. Suspension from the Demo game
3. Impeachment
a. For officials only.
4. Final warning
a. For previous offenders only.
5. Warning
6. Abstain
7. If the offender has previously received a
Final Warning, the options of Warning and Final
Warning will not be offered on the sentencing poll.
8. If the offender has never received a Warning,
the option of Final Warning will not be offered
on the sentencing poll
9. A Moderator will set the length of time for
suspensions after conferring with the JA. Moderators
will also be responsible for enforcing evictions
and suspensions.

and:

E. Code of Laws Amendments
1. Amendments to the Code of Laws must receive the vote of a
plurality of the citizenry that choose to vote and the vote of a majority
of the full Senate before they take effect. The quorum for a citizen poll is
1/3 of the citizens who voted in the most active poll in the most recent full elections.
a. If the number of votes divided by 3 is a decimal, it is
rounded up if the decimal is above .5 and down if it is .5 or smaller.
2. A Code of Laws amendment may also pass by receiving superplurality
(double the votes for Yes than in any other option) support by the citizenry.
If this happens, the Senate poll is skipped and the amendment goes into
effect immediately.
3. A CoL amendment citizen poll must be open for at least 48
hours for the amendment to take effect. here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57544)

Immortal
Jul 06, 2003, 08:12 PM
is there a discussion thread on this? I dont want to vote before ive had some time to cheww on it.

Cyc
Jul 06, 2003, 08:20 PM
Same here. I think the PSC should take a hard look at this, as there was no proper discussion or proposed poll. This again would be an informational poll, but what's an informational poll in regards to the creation of a new CoL, by a citizen? I think we should start at block 1 and proceed from there.

Immortal
Jul 06, 2003, 08:24 PM
here are what i think are thhe steps to forming a good Code of laws:

1) we ask the citizenry to provide us with details on what they want in the laws
2) discussion
3) changes if needed are made
4) draw up a rough summary of what the laws will look like
5) discussion
6) changes if needed are made
7) next draft is published

and the drafts continue until we haave our laws, it isnt something we can just write up and poll immediately.

Bootstoots
Jul 06, 2003, 08:26 PM
Discussion was proposed here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57544) and you participated, Cyc. Also, this will have far more than informational weight as it violates no constitutional amendment. Do you agree, Cyc and Immortal (plus all others who think this should be informational only), and if not, please show me the constitutional article it violates.

Immortal
Jul 06, 2003, 08:27 PM
dont lump me in with cyc, im just saying I think there hasnt been enough discussion. that thread hasnt come to closure.

If you choose to force me I will vote in favour of neither. unfortunately this ruleset seems as though it is being fastracked to solve a short term problem, and create future problems.

Bootstoots
Jul 06, 2003, 08:39 PM
As future problems arise, we will fix them with new laws. You should have at least voted with Article E authorizing the creation of new laws.

Cyc
Jul 06, 2003, 08:53 PM
Sorry, I will not vote in this poll...

Gingerbread Man
Jul 08, 2003, 08:09 AM
I actually agree with both of these, but I still think further refinement could help. I certainly dont disagree with any of these. I voted yes on them, because I think they are just the same as the DGII, and that worked well.

Bootstoots
Jul 08, 2003, 09:02 AM
Keep in mind that PI procedure will likely be replaced with new laws fairly soon, as is evidenced by the creation of the PI procedure thread by eyrei.

Eklektikos
Jul 08, 2003, 09:47 AM
This poll has received a review (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1091687#post1091687) by the PSC board. Please take note of the comments made.

Bootstoots
Jul 08, 2003, 09:12 PM
It appears that this CoL has passed. It has also met its own restrictions for passing a CoL amendment by receiving superplurality support. I encourage one of our moderators to add this to the demogame ruleset by editing Shaitan's post.

Bootstoots
Jul 08, 2003, 09:56 PM
Note to judiciary members -
This is not intended to be a constitutional amendment, but rather a separate set of rules from the constitution. Therefore, it would not need constitutional amendment poll results to pass.

Also, under DG2 rules, the CoL was a separate set of rules and did not need constitutional amendment status. I encourage this procedure to be brought over here because it is a different rule book from the Constitution - it is separate and distinct.

FionnMcCumhall
Jul 08, 2003, 11:33 PM
This COL isnt complete with the necessary changes needed to fix the game

Civanator
Jul 09, 2003, 09:29 AM
Bootstoots, if you look at it from one point of view, we just made our CoL, and now we need amendments to it, but I don't think anyone will look at it that way, especially me.

Bootstoots
Jul 15, 2003, 10:08 AM
We did make a CoL, and we need to make amendments to it. This was passed by the amount of people necessary to pass an amendment to it. You are correct that it isn't complete, and we are still working on writing a new one. It passed review by a majority of the Judiciary, so it is official.