Welcome to the Jade House

President: CivGeneral (Mara Jade)
Aide to the President: Bootstoots
Vice President: Rik Meleet
Aide to the Vice President: Bacon King

Here is the following Scedual for the TCs

August 21st
August 24th
August 28th
August 31st



Term 3 - Presidential Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57419)

The Cabinet (Excecutive)
FA (Boots) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60302)

Govenor Affairs (Legistlature)

Judical Affairs (Judiciary)
Judiciary: Co-operate! Dont Litigate (Peri) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60305)

I will apply to be the Aide to the President. :)

In order to revitalize this game I believe that the President should post a summary of the events in each T/C in the main page of CFC. This should be told in an exciting way to attract new players and the President should also use this as an opportunity to advertise the game with various links and a plea to participate. :)

The president also needs to appoint someone to make our maps. This needs to be done by someone with plenty of free time and who is goood at graphic design. the appointed person also needs to be willing to stick at it. Maps can be used in conjunction with the above to attract new players. :)

Originally posted by Peri
In order to revitalize this game I believe that the President should post a summary of the events in each T/C in the main page of CFC. This should be told in an exciting way to attract new players and the President should also use this as an opportunity to advertise the game with various links and a plea to participate. :)

The president also needs to appoint someone to make our maps. This needs to be done by someone with plenty of free time and who is goood at graphic design. the appointed person also needs to be willing to stick at it. Maps can be used in conjunction with the above to attract new players. :)

Sounds like a good Idea :). If someone has good Graphics Skills, please comforward to be appointed the new Fanatican Cartographer.

Aide to the VP, reporting in. Sorry, I can't be a mapmaker as I don't have either free time or graphic skills.

Can someone tell me what cities are in Esquiline province? I need to know by tommorow's t/c.

I would like to ask the president WHY he switched a wonder which was nearly finished, but created by another civ (Egypt) to a university, instead of making it a prebuild for Smith's Trading Company.

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
I would like to ask the president WHY he switched a wonder which was nearly finished, but created by another civ (Egypt) to a university, instead of making it a prebuild for Smith's Trading Company.

There is already a city building a pre-build for a smiths

I second that request. I am also wondering when we will get the turnchat summary, and what your plans are for this term.

Thanks,

DZ

The fact that there was a prebuild which had less shield is irrelevant. This city had many many more shields stocked up, which you discarded. It would have been a far superior prebuild. You are allowed to supercede queues when it is needed, and THIS was a case where it was needed. We may loose this wonder. I would attempt to test, but that is not allowed by the constitution. If we loose it and find out the prebuild we had for Cop in Memphis could have saved it, the blood is on your hands.

Originally posted by CivGeneral


There is already a city building a pre-build for a smiths
So this was a purposeful, tactical decsion and not just a balls-up? http://www.counterglow.com/forum/images/smilies/hmm.gif

Balls-up? Speak American man so we can understand you! ;)

Please give us a review Mr. President! Many of us are wondering about that lost wonder...

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
I second that request. I am also wondering when we will get the turnchat summary, and what your plans are for this term.

Thanks,

DZ

Ill combine the two TC summaries into one after today's TC. My plans are to build up the Infrastructure and hopefully progress to the Industrial Age :).

Originaly posted by Donsig
Please give us a review Mr. President! Many of us are wondering about that lost wonder...

I am working on it as I am speeking (err, typing)

The turns when on smothly as planed. The Fanatican Scientists have discovered Democracy and are onward to Economics. We had to slow down the TC due to Ekl's unplaned Trade discussions. Ekl and I had to look a way to modify the trade instructions. Unfortunately we have lost our heafty 21gpt from Persia. In other News, we are in a Smith wonder race now. After Coprenicus has been compleated in Memphis, it had to be switched to a University since the Palace-Pre Build was already in place in Gonora (Spelling) and I cannot switch it due since it was in the instructions that that particular city has to have the Palace Pre-Build.

I am conserned about the slow decline of the gpt due because of the increace in maintenence cost and corruption. I would like to have govenors at least place a Courthouse in there Build queues to counter the corruption problem.

Ok, here is an anlysis of our Memphis / Gorina situation.

As of 1070 AD:

Memphis needed 3 turns to complete Cop's and produced 17 shields per turn. This means Memphis had about 349 shields stored.

Gorina needed 53 turns to complete a Palace and produced 16 shields per turn. This means Gorina had about 152 shields stored.

Originally posted by donsig
Balls-up? Speak American man so we can understand you! ;)
Evidently a translation genuinely is needed, since my perfectly serious question has been studiously ignored by our esteemed president...

Another good turn played out. This time we have gotten more gold for our coffers. THe Smiths is going as planed and we have discovered Metallurgy. But after the discovery I had to stop the TC due because there were 2 techs that were tied in the polls. Hopefully by now one of the techs is the winner.

Originally posted by Eklektikos

So this was a purposeful, tactical decsion and not just a balls-up? http://www.counterglow.com/forum/images/smilies/hmm.gif

I can assure you that it was not just a "Balls-up". Sorry for not answering your question earlyer since I was busy typing out the TC summary. It was a Tactical desision since. 1. There is already a palace being build and 2. There are no obsolite Wonders to use as a Pre-build.

Not the answer I was hoping for, but since what's done is done there's not really any point in trying to beat up on you over this.

May I suggest though that if in future a situation like this arises, you switch the most advanced prebuild to a Palace regardless of other orders and then end the turn chat immediately so that the situation can be reappraised and the governors in question have the chance to write new instructions to cover the changed circumstances.

There is another alternative for handling this in the future. Domestic can keep an eye on the wonders other countries are building, and try to estimate (barring an investigation) their progress. If there is a city that is close to ours, an investigation could be requested to determine the exact situation.

Based on estimates, swags and investigations, Domestic can create some options for handling us not getting a wonder. They can coordinate with the various Governors, creating viable options for switching pre-builds around.

We lost a HUGE number of shields on this deal. More importantly, we lost a massive amount of time. We were a handful of turns from Cop, we're now a long way away from Smith's. Absent a plan, events like this really should stop a turn chat.

-- Ravensfire

The loss of this wonder should have immeadiately been brought up for discussion at the turn chat. The strategy would've been obvious: Switch Gorina's palace to the next-highest sheild cost building, and set Memphis to palace!

Please don't atempt to excuse yourself of this matter, CG. The moment you got a pop-up informing us of the wonder's completion elsewhere, that should have been discussed at the turn chat! Recognize that this was a serious error on your part, and don't do it again.

Well, everyone seems bent on going 10 turns each time out now, so I really don't know what else to say.

CivGeneral, you really need to bring back the lost art of stopping the chat when necessary. This whole fiasco could have been avoided if:

a. You alerted the people to this problem.

b. Stopped the chat and let us all figure this out together.

CivGeneral did stop todays chat after 8 turns, so their is hope :)

:lol: Well, that is a start, zorven.

Originally posted by zorven
Ok, here is an anlysis of our Memphis / Gorina situation.

As of 1070 AD:

Memphis needed 3 turns to complete Cop's and produced 17 shields per turn. This means Memphis had about 349 shields stored.

Gorina needed 53 turns to complete a Palace and produced 16 shields per turn. This means Gorina had about 152 shields stored.

So we have lost 200 shields worth of production to a cock up?
Now we could lose Smith's company too :(

Hey CG - how's the ego holding up? ;)

C'mon folks, we're approaching the point of flogging the remnants of a dead horse here. This is CG's first run as President. It's been a while since we've had a total newbie. Let's try some ideas on preventing this in the future.

[EDIT 2]
CG - I think your decision was not the best possible decision, but I do understand your reasoning. You've got a lot of talent willing to support you, and help in anyway you ask (well, to a point!). Sometimes, running a fast turn chat may result in things being missed - this may have been one. Take your time - nobody will complain about a few more minutes to make sure of some decisions. Give us more information about what you are doing during the t/c. We see the game through your comments, help us see what's going on.
[/EDIT 2

Citizens, let's allow the past to lie undisturbed. It's been a while since we've gotten beat out when we were this close to completing the wonder.

Your resident peacemaker,
-- Ravensfire

EDIT: Added smiley that should have been there.
EDIT 2: Massive edit to cut down on angst - CG did not deserve it!

CG has a good point about not switching Memphis to the palace because that would have required over-riding the Gorina queue for which we have no legal mechanism in place. After the term 3 fiasco where the president was villified for making a legal decision we cannot blame him for wanting to avoid an even worse fate by making an illegal decision. And there is nothing wrong with playing ten turns. It is not the president's fault that we cannot get our act together and give him intelligent instructions!

Yeah Ravensfire you are right. Lets move on. However an apology is always appreciated. ;)

Do we have anything in the constitution for a recall? I think I can get Arnold Scwarzenegger to run in a recall election . . . . oh wait, no he says he is busy.

;)

Anyway, CG I'm sure you are going to do a great job with the rest of this term and I think that this little mishap is just all part of the learning curve.

Mr. President,

Please join in on the following discussion:

Size 12 Plan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60932) (It's back!) ;)

Mr. President,

Please post a new turn chat instruction thread as soon as possible.

Also, it would be nice to hear your views on any of the discussions that are currently taking place in the Citizen's Forum. What are your plans, CivGeneral? What do you hope to accomplish this term?

Mr. President,

I echo DZ's remarks above about a new turn chat thread. My most pressing question, however, is when is the next turn chat? There is no turn chat schedule posted in this thread, nor anywhere else I can see.

I would like to attend the next session, but my weekend is rapidly filling up.

-- Ravensfire

Mr. President,

Do you have any plans to post informative game play summaries in a timely manner?

After a gruling trip to Red Tape Central (The Conneticut Department of Motor Vehicles) Yesterday. Now I can take the time to answer your questions.

@DZ: Ill try to read up and catch up with the Size 12 plan. Though I hope it does not have Red Tape like the Conneticut DMV ;). The TC Instruction page is up.

My Goals (Short Term), are to make sure we have the Smiths built before the rest of the civs get there grubby hands on it. My other Short Term Goal is to enter into the Industrial age. My Long Term Goal is to make sure we have Cities with at least a size 12 before or when we start to enter the Industrial Age.

@Ravensfire: The TC Has been posted. Ill edit the above page with the scedual.

@Zorven: I do have plans to post informative game play summaries. Though they take a while since I like to post them as a Essay Formant

@Ravensfire: The TC Has been posted. Ill edit the above page with the scedual.


Thanks CG! BTW - what's a scedual? :lol:

-- Ravensfire

My concern about timeliness is that your summaries could be usefull in discussions between game plays. The longer you take, the less time they are usefull to discussions.

Originally posted by ravensfire


Thanks CG! BTW - what's a scedual? :lol:

-- Ravensfire

Scedual. A Variant of the spelling of "schedule"

Ahhh, that would be from the SED* then.

:D

-- Ravensfire

*SED - Southern English Dictionary

1120AD -1200AD Summary posted

I have seen a few comments in the provincial threads about worker requests being ignored. While I agree in general that the DP needs to have freedom in this area to optimize game play mechanics, it would be a good idea to prioritize the areas emphasized by the local citizens, or to explain how other actions are more beneficial.

Mr. President,

Several days ago the Chief Justice, with the support of the entire Judiciary, posted a notice here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1159541#post1159541) .

Since that time, there has been minimal action on the issues raised. Most of that action has been from a member of the Judiciary, acting as a fed-up citizen. Our laws are lacking many of the concepts we use regularly.

Consider this. You are a brand new person to the game, with no experience from any previous DG. You read through a turn chat and see these things called Council Votes and Citizen votes. Where can you find information about them? When are they used? What can they decide?

Although not a crisis, there is a serious problem here.

What do you intend to do about it?

-- Ravensfire

Usualy the DP explains the Spot Votes to the Newbie players. They [Spot Council/Citizen Votes] are used when a sistuation when there are no further instructions and an event happens. (IE like Changing the queues, Trade pop ups).

So where, exactly, it this process explained in our laws?

I generally participate only in forum discussions. These actions disenfranchise me of my opportunity to participate in the running of this country. As a member of the Judiciary, I am prevented from following up on this, but I am most distressed that procedures without any legal basis whatsoever are being used. Given the outcry last term, I'm surprised at the apparent apathy being shown.

-- Ravensfire

Aug 10th Summary

Things whent well in today's Turn Chat. We have enough gpt to boost our science rate to 100% and researching an average of 2.5 Techs per TC. In the TC we have discovered 2 Techs ToG and Physics. Though we whent in a bump road with a Free Artistry debates but luckly the Science Leader said, "Go for ToG".

A Tragity has trucked during the Turn Chats. The Persians have built the Smiths and the Germans have built Shakespear. Luckly Donsig had the specifc instructions incase that ever happened. (And I think he was reading my mind also). After the discovery of ToG, I switched the Palace-Pre build to an advalible wonder, Newtons, and compleated it within 1 turn.

Since we are fastly approaching the Industrial Age. It is time to start Planing to build the ToE to make our Tech race accelerate even further. We should also aim for the Steam Engine so that we can connect our country side with steal with iron horses.

Originally posted by ravensfire
So where, exactly, it this process explained in our laws?

It is the tradition of the TC to do Spot Votes when a supprise Event happens. I used the Spot votes since there were no further instructions supplied by the leaders.

Originally posted by CivGeneral


It is the tradition of the TC to do Spot Votes when a supprise Event happens. I used the Spot votes since there were no further instructions supplied by the leaders.

Tradition and practices from prior games (DG 1 & 2) have no bearing on this game. DG 3 began with a clean slate from the prior games. A new constitution was created. Any practice or tradition not defined in or allowed by our CURRENT constitution or code of laws has no legal basis.

As I have said before, I believe that using traditions and practices not defined by law is a barrier to participation by new players or those players not familiar with the past games.

zorven
Citizen

From the Jade House

Today, the President has set an established set of Goals for this term. Hopefully they will all be compleated or reached by the end of this term.

First Goal, Make war preperations for a "splendid little war" against the Egyptians. The following subgoals for this goal goes as follows.


Raise about 20-30 Knights/Cavalry units
If we have any Knights after Mil Trid, they should be upgraded to Cavalry units
Build up our forces near the border of Egypt


Second Goal, We should start to plan for a prebuild of the ToE. That would mean that we should have the combined efforts of the Science department, and the govenor who has chosen his city as a Wonder construction area. The Following subgoals would need to be met.


Be the first to research the Scientific Method
Imediately start on the prebuild so that we have enough shields stored


Third Goal, Since we need SM (SM = Scientific Method), we can kill two birds with one stone by also reaserching as we get to SM. Since the steam engine will also allow us to build railroads from across the country.
This will beone of the more easyer goals to go through since the 1st phase of the construction is to connect to all of the major cities in Fanatica and also provide a rail link up to the front.

Edit: Changed Techs

Originally posted by CivGeneral
From the Jade House

Second Goal, We should start to plan for a prebuild of the ToE. That would mean that we should have the combined efforts of the Science department, and the govenor who has chosen his city as a Wonder construction area.

I would like to suggest that each governor be allowed to submit to the Science Department one city in their province for this wonder and then that the people decide between the four in an open poll.

Originally posted by deshelbr


I would like to suggest that each governor be allowed to submit to the Science Department one city in their province for this wonder and then that the people decide between the four in an open poll.

Good Idea :).

Mr president. I am wondering why all grasslands in Esquiline province are mined instead of irrigated. Mining increases shields, but they are lost to corruption immediately. Irrigating increases food, which allow a city to grow to function better as worker factories as designed in the
Size 12 plan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60932) .

After Democracy, courthouses and harbors it might be wise to mine the land, but irrigation was far more useful.

Could you explain me why this was done ?

Rik Meleet, Governor of Esquiline.

Mr. President,

I noticed in the 1320AD save that Egypt is at war with America.

If we get popups for wars, treaties, etc. between the AIs, please report them during the chat so that it will be recorded in the log, and include those events in the summary. Especially in the case of who is at war with who, it could affect our planning. Of course if no popup comes up, not much you can do there...

Thanks

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
Could you explain me why this was done ?

Rik Meleet, Governor of Esquiline.

Rik,

I thought it would be alright to have mined grasslands to help with the production. After seeing your consern, in the next TC I will start the Irrigation project in your provance ASAP.

CG - When is the next t/c scheduled?

Hint, hint - if it was in the first post, where a placeholder promises it will be, I wouldn't be asking this!

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire

I wonder if our President has been affected by the blackout...

Donsig is right. I had been affected by the blackout Here is what happened in the state I live in (http://www.theday.com/eng/web/newstand/brknewsre.aspx?reIDx=661c404f-1cc6-4330-aa71-6de9bac928c5) and What happened in the Town I live in ([url=http://www.theday.com/eng/web/newstand/re.aspx?reIDx=040809BA-7801-44A7-B019-CD4A33E26D2C
). (We can blame the Egyptian assassins ;) ). Luckly I have gotten power back online.

(Speeking in RL Matters): I just hope they upgrade the power infrastructure so that this sort of thing does not happen again. I was looking through old newspapers and discovered that this is the 3rd Black out that has happened in the region. The 1st Blackout was The Blackout of 1965 (http://www.ceet.niu.edu/faculty/vanmeer/outage.htm) and the 2nd Blackout was The Blackout of 1977 (http://blackout.gmu.edu/archive/a_1977.html)

@ravensfire - Here is the odd part, I was about to start up on the T/C Instruction thread when suddenly, the lights dimed and then suddenly "The Blackout of 2003" has started

Doh!

Glad to see you're back in action!

-- Ravensfire

Mr. President,

I would like to request that you don't zip your save files. The file size is essentially unchanged and some of us seem to have problems unzipping your files.

Also, where is your last game summary?

Originally posted by zorven
Mr. President,

I would like to request that you don't zip your save files. The file size is essentially unchanged and some of us seem to have problems unzipping your files.

Also, where is your last game summary?

Actaully, zorven, the game needs to be saved in a zip file and labeled a cetrtain way so that Thunderfall doesn't accidentally erase our DemoGame saves when he cleans out the Uploads folder. Perhaps there is a citizen who can get the save out to you in its original form.

For people like with Noldy, I can make a special E-mail to you (Or DCC the save to you if I catch you online :) )

We have an opportunity to build Iron Works. Please come to this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61742) to participate in the discussion. :D

President CivGeneral,

I feel the need to remind you once again that you need to post the turnchat instruction thread. Please do so quickly because if the chat is going to be on Wednesday, our leaders and citizens need to know for sure.

Also, I am very concerned that during the past nineteen turns, our cities have not produced one mounted unit, though I do appreciate the fact that the existing units were upgraded. And while I know that you personally are not responsible for each province's individual build queues, it is up to you to determine whether each province is helping to meet all of our goals. You are the juggler. You need to speak out when you feel that the needs of the nation are not being met.

You have voiced your support for both the war against Egypt and the Size 12 Plan, yet none of our current build queues are pursuing these initiatives in a way that can be successful. As a citizen, there is only so much that I can do about this. These measures need the backing and enforcement of the President of Fanatica.

Finally, I would like to point out that we are reaching an age where irrigation of grasslands are of vital importance, as doing so can provide enough food for our laborers to work the mountain mines and give our cities an even balance of commerce and production. Yet there seem to be grassland mines as far as the eye can see. Please try to reverse this trend in a manner that takes our nations best interests to heart.

On the same topic, please take great care to ensure that you are working a tile that can even be used by one of our cities. I have noticed several fully worked tiles that will never become a part of any city radius. This is a waste of resources on par with replacing mines that should not have been there.

My apologies for making my grievances public, but these issues have been bothering me for quite some time. I am also a bit put off that I am the first to address some of them. Please look into all of these matters as soon as possible.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Concerned Citizen

Please see this poll Mr. President! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61898)

It looks as though the Pres is away. Would the Vice-President please scedule the next game play session and start a game play instruction thread?

I'm not sure he can - we don't have any guidelines on absentee officials.

Gee, hasn't that been pointed out as a problem? Nah, couldn't be. Someone surely would have fixed it by now.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by ravensfire
I'm not sure he can - we don't have any guidelines on absentee officials.

Gee, hasn't that been pointed out as a problem? Nah, couldn't be. Someone surely would have fixed it by now.

-- Ravensfire

Why is it a problem? Isn't the whole freaking point of having a vice-president so that he can step in when the President is AWOL? Do you people need a rule to tell you when to go to the bathroom? Come on, the Pres isn't around let's get this show moving again!

donsig,

There are several rather picky rules-lawyers here. You should know about that. Like it or not (and I don't), that's the current environment we operate under.

I don't know why you've gotten rather angst-ridden recently, but good grief, back off. Your point has been made - there is no reason to continue flogging the horse.

-- Ravensfire

No reason to continue flogging the horse? Does that mean a game play instruction thread has been opened and I can do my job and post Capitoline build queues? Please post a link to that thread as I can't find it.

Yeah, there are picky rules-lawyer types out there. So what. Are we going to let them ruin the game? The president is AWOL so the VP can and should step up and post a game play instruction thread. If it ain't done soon then I'll do it.

Originally posted by donsig
If it ain't done soon then I'll do it.

Valid points. I'm going to create one, and I'm going to assume that it's going to happen tomorrow, as per the normal schedule that CG has created.

Turn Chat Instructions (http://forums.civfanatics.com/newthread.php?s=&action=newthread&forumid=100)

This is based on the assumption that the regular schedule will be followed.

-- Ravensfire

Dear Mr. President,

There are currently two game play instruction threads opened.

Here is the original. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61912)

Here is the later one. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61961)

One is for Wednesday, one is for Sunday. Why is this? Has today's session been cancelled? I see no reason to delay the game. If you are unable to play then let the VP play so we can continue the game.

Governor donsig

donsig,

Reading through the threads, the turn chat is scheduled for tomorrow. CG has requested that the title of his thread be changed to indicate this.

In addition, in the original thread I created, the VP had indicated that the tc would happen on Thursday. DZ agreed to this, stipulating that CG had until that time to overrule this decision. That has been done.

Once the requests in Needed Things are completed, things will be more obvious.

-- Ravensfire

Well, One of these game play instruction threads needs to be closed unless the President plans to use both. With two game play instruction threads out there how are our leaders to know which one to post instructions in.

So, when is the game play session anyway?

donsig,

Read through Needed Things. As I mentioned in my post, there is a request to close one of them. Be patient, it will happen.

Also, as I mentioned, CG set the date and time in his thread. He goofed, and put the title as Sunday. He has also posted a request in Needed Things (right above mine) to change the title to Thursday.

It's all in there, you just have to look.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by ravensfire
donsig,

Read through Needed Things. As I mentioned in my post, there is a request to close one of them. Be patient, it will happen.

Also, as I mentioned, CG set the date and time in his thread. He goofed, and put the title as Sunday. He has also posted a request in Needed Things (right above mine) to change the title to Thursday.

It's all in there, you just have to look.

-- Ravensfire

And I have also posted in needed things to have the original thread left opened and the later one closed. There is no rule or anything that mandates that the President has to open the game play instruction thread. There will be times when the president is unavailable and we should not have to put everything on hold. Opening the second instruction thread was well intended I'm sure but was a bad precedent and it should not have been done!

Dear Mr. President,

There is more to your job than simply showing up twice a week to play the save. I find your recent tardiness in posting game play instruction threads to be apalling. On top of that you wander back in here after we've opened a game play instruction thread and open another one that was in no way needed. Please have your late game play instruction thread closed and the original one re-opened.

Governor donsig

donsig, Ravensfire - I have closed the original thread, and stickied the one posted by our President. I am sorry that I didn't see your concerns earlier, donsig. I may have given the matter more thought. However, this was the easiest way to get the game back on track.

CivGeneral (when and if you read this) - From this point forward, please post your instruction threads in a timely matter. If you feel that you cannot do so, then please give us your turnchat schedule for the rest of the term. Doing so will at least give our citizens someplace to find this information.

Mr President:

I am disappointed that given the amount of uncertainty regarding our plans for a war with Egypt that you did not delay the game play session. I think playing the game at this time would be unwise.

The only uncertainty seems to be coming from donsig, although he has enough for all of us. ;) I feel that we should proceed as planned.

Mr. President - please take an active part in the discussions taking place in the Citizens Forum. Our people are beginning to feel that they are stowaways on a rudderless ship. The best thing you can do to give direction to our great land. We desperately need it right now.

Once again, Mr. President, I implore you. Read all the discussions and post your feelings, or let the void between yourself and your people grow wider. It's your choice.

@ Donovan Zoi - while I believe most citizens want to take the Egyptian cities, the uncertainty lies in the fact that we seem to have no consensus on what size force we need, which cites are going to build it, and in what time frame the force will be ready. I have already posted twice in the discussion how we can have 26 Cav and (4 or 6) Muskets in 8 turns, but nobody has commented on it.

Please see the new discussion thread which will resolve the delay one way or the other in time for the TC following the one being held tomorrow.

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
The only uncertainty seems to be coming from donsig, although he has enough for all of us. ;) I feel that we should proceed as planned.


There's no uncertainty on my part. I'm sure you're all wrong. :D

Originally posted by donsig
Dear Mr. President,

There is more to your job than simply showing up twice a week to play the save. I find your recent tardiness in posting game play instruction threads to be apalling. On top of that you wander back in here after we've opened a game play instruction thread and open another one that was in no way needed. Please have your late game play instruction thread closed and the original one re-opened.

Governor donsig

@Donsig - For the past few days I was experiancing Internet troubles. Right now everything is back to normal and I can post my feelings. And I will not have my Late Game Play Instructions closed.

@All Citizens - Please stop it with all the angust. This is doing more harm then good. It literaly hurts my self esteam. I want everyone to lay me some slack due because of Internet troubles. Shesh, give me a second chance and lets start off on the right footing.

Today, August 21st, 1400AD - A date which will live in infamy, The Fanatican was suddenly and deliberatly attacked by the forces of the Russian Empire. The Russians marched into Houston with no restance. Luckly we have managed to pick off there spear before it had the chance to pillage our iron by the frontear area to the north. Falcon02 is currently making plans for the war. The Russians have thrown a wrench into the Egyptian plans.

In other news, The Fanatican Railroad Project is advancing ahead of scedual. We will soon see compleation in possibly in 2 or 3 TCs

Originally posted by CivGeneral


@All Citizens - Please stop it with all the angust. This is doing more harm then good. It literaly hurts my self esteam. I want everyone to lay me some slack due because of Internet troubles. Shesh, give me a second chance and lets start off on the right footing.

Well...demogame politics may not be the best profession for you then. ;)

Mr. President,

Internet problems will happen and I do not think any of us hold you responsible for them. The point I failed to make was that when you are unavailable the rest of us should not have to sit around on our hands and wait. You should give a general authorization someone (maybe the VP) to create a game play instruction thread if you are unable to do so.

As the recent presidential approval poll shows, we do not think you are doing a bad job - we just think there are some things you could do better and we're trying to tell you what they are. :)

Governor donsig

The President's Technical Alert

There is a widespread Virus that effects people's E-mails. As a conserned persion, if you have contracted this virus, I recomend you head Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1189773#post1189773) to remove this nasty virus.

Luckly the President has not contracted the virus and I am on High alert with my Email inbox.

A "Splendid Little War"

Today, we have sucsesfly conqured Egypt. Our troops were assembled before the start of the attack. Luckly before we declared war against Egypt. The Americans have made peace with the Egyptians. That means that Egypt was ours for the taken, especaly at its weaken state. This has been one of the fastes wars we have ever fought in. It has taken 3 Turns to capture all of the Egyptian cities all thanks to the Fanatican Railroad and Peri's Tactics.

Now we have a new Provance, Called "Provance #5". Since it is late into the Term, I have already made a Nominations for Provance #5 (I am also a Election Staff) so that it can go along with the normal election process.

Mr. President, I would like to congratulate our Military Department for its quick conquest of Egypt. Fanatica will only gain in stature from these acquisitions.

My only question would be: was there not a time when we realized our objectives in Egypt were at hand, and we could free up the necessary units to liberate Grozny? Even though Cathy still won't talk to us, she will in due time. And the longer we wait to take Grozny, the more opportunity we allow for our cold war with Russia to escalate.

We are now looking at 3-4 more turns to capture this city, when it looks like we should have had no problem conquering it by now.

Can you please enlighten me on this?

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi

We stopped the TC as soon as the last Egyptian city fell so governors could return their build queues to normal.
Troops were not allocated to taking Grozny during this time because that would have diverted resources from the main objective.
Grozny is not a threat and can be taken at our convenience.
Now that objective is complete we can take Grozny.

Regards

How did the Aztecs get ahold of that Egyptian city anyway?

edited for humble pie

Heck, it would be nice if we actually had procedures. There are none that I can find.

Peri must have seen my snide comment and has ridden to the rescue! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62589)

Report from the Emperor's Hand

We have sucsessfuly captured the Russian city of Gronzy. In wich we have sucsessfuly declared peace with the Russians. Now it is time to put forth our efforts in buiding the ToE. We are soon to discover Industrilization and pick up a freebee Tech from the ToE wonder. We also have built Wall Street :).

Link to The Term 5 Office (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62870)

I would like to thank my Aides to the President and Aides to the Vice Presidents for there efforts :).

CG,

Thanks for your efforts this past term. It was rocky at times, and triumphant at times. I hope you take from this some lessons learned, and memories of the successes you acheived. As a citizen, I am proud of what you, and all other officials accomplished in Term 4.

-- Ravensfire