(Sticky please)

note: This is the second succession game that we will be running along with the current MTW game, so don't forget to join in with that succession game as well.

Game: Medieval Total War: Viking Invasion (No patch)
Difficulty: Normal
Kingdom: Hungarians
Starting period: Early

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http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Hun.JPG

King: Laszlo I (1087-1106)

At the age of 38, King Laszlo became King of the Hungarian kingdom and with rebels in the south and to the east he was convinced that these rebels must be persuaded to join his empire so that the Hungarians could begin to produce a large army that could one day destroy the Byzantines whilst avoiding a war with our neighbours to the north, the Italians, Polish and the Germans.

A string of provinces were bribed in the early years of his reign, with some help from the Pope who was very generous by giving us a handy amount of florins for our support During this time he also began to establish several building programs, including building several docks in Croatia and Serbia so that one day these provinces would be able to build a great navy to generate a huge income.

After 10 years of peace, and after establishing several alliances, King Laszlo began his campain to establish the Huns as a true power in Europe and to provide his heir with a Kingdom that would be able to challenge the Italians or the Germans. Constantinople blinded the king and effectively made his decision for him, so in 1097 the Hungarians launched their military campain against the Byzantines.

Several times the Byzantines retreated in front of the glorious Hungarian armies which were bolstered by a small amout of mercenaries to provide some quality troops. However this meant that whilst Constantinople was initially captured early in the war, it had to be abandoned as the Byzantine people launched a counter attack.

However in the year of 1105 Constantinople finally fell to our troops and with a peaceful northern front, the armies once again pushed further into Byzantine territory taking two more provinces. As the troops were celebrating though, new reached them from Croatia, of the death of King Laszlo, who as he layed dying had told his heir to continue his war and defeat the remaining Byzantines, start to build a navy from constantinople, to make sure that no rebellions occur and finally to never leave the border provinces too weakly defended.

The saved game:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Hungarians.zip

Current player list:

Current player list:

Dell19
BobTheTerrible
Greeny

Current player: BobTheTerrible

(New players will be added to the list below the current player)

Weren't the Huns and the Hungarians different? I htought the Huns were a "barbarian" tribe thing that pillaged and came from Asia. I could be wrong though.

I thought the Huns probably turned into the Hungarians or perhaps they just came from the same region... Plus Huns is alot shorter and quicker to type.

Well, I wasn't sure because my friend is Hungarian and in AoE 2 they have the Huns, and I asked him and he said he didn't know, and they seemed to have a lot to do with the fall of Rome and stuff. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'll download and begin playing today, but I do have a party so I don't think I'll finish unless my king dies early.

Here's what has happened so far, and probably all the playing I'll get in today:

King Lazlo II acsended the throne at the age of 31. The first major battle under his riegn was the Battle of Nicea, where the Byzintine garrison had sallied from their castle supported by troops moving from another province. The battle was a complete defeat for the Byzantines. The commanding general, Lord Wyzslaw, sent out horse archers to harrass the enemy's general's unit, 60 urban millitiamen. After killing nearly half the unit with arrows, the horse archers retreated. Royal knights led by Prince Bela pounded in to the enemy general's unit from the side, with the general himself dying from the force of the charge. With that, the horse archers charged down to harass the enemy as they fled. None made it alive, because Wyzslaw had every last one of the prisoners executed.

Later in his reign, the year 1114, he got word that the Turkish Sultan had been executed. He still had been unable to move against the Byzantines in Anatolia because of the 80 Kataphractoi they held there, along with nearly 200 of the Byantines famous infantry. The Byzantines were powerful even now, but the Hungarian cashflow wasn't as he liked. Across the empire, farms began to appear in greater numbers, but only a few each year because of the limited cashflow. What was worse was that troops could not be trained. Some mercenary generals began to have their units disbanded.

In 1122, the King of England, William III, accepted Lazlo's daughter in marriage. Farms were being built faster, and soon he should have enough money to fund a larger army. Meanwhile he had been hearing rumors of the Germans might and power, of armies and of income. The Turkish have reappeared, attacking Syria.

The Byzantine King himself launched an attack to retake Nicea. Though few in numbers, the 120 Kataphractoi spoke for themselves. Even though the Hungarians tried to fight, they were badly outclassed and quickly routed. Soon the Hungarians would be able to train troops en masse, but for now they needed to build a stronger economy.

Have you tried changed the tax rates as they always seem to default to a lower level when you pass someone the saved game, so perhaps if you changed them you might be able to make more money.

Would anyone mind if i put auto-taxes on? They work great and you don't have to MM. It will automatically lower the taxes if there would be a rebellion and hires them when there won't. Is there any reason I shouldn't?

Here's the rest of the tale:

Armies all across the Hungarian Empire began marching twoards Constantinpole. By 1129 there were many many armies there, and they launched an attack to reclaim Nicea. Now theres this weird glitch. I can't move armies out of the castle! The attack will wait till next turn.

In 1131, the Sicilians attacked! Their armies hit Greece, which was only defended by 100 peasants. They retreated to the castle. An army had to be pulled out of Nicea, which now was ours because the Byzantines had retreated from the 2000 men of ours.

In 1132 (?) King Lazlo II died from an illness. He told his only heir not to attack the Byzanties because he had sighted over 120 Kataphractoi. He also told his heir to build a navy and whip those Sicilians.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Hungarians1.zip

The Sicilians do like attacking Greece... Anyway its Greeny to play next.

Damnit! I just won an epic battle where I killed the last Byzantine Emperor, then when I presses escape to save it crashed to desktop! :mad: I'll have to go back to the latest Autosave...

Anyway the story so far:

King Kálmán I ascended to the throne in 1132. Despite being only 18 years old he was already renowned as a great warrior and for his ability to do hard sums. On viewing his new empire he saw that the Hungarian army needed modernising, a navy must be built for trade and warfare and watch towers were urgently needed to spy on potential enemies. He immediately launched a counter-attack on Greece, taking it after a hard fought battle ended with the enemy General slain and his troops fleeing. The Sicilian King himself then attacked Croatia, but again he was repelled leaving two of his sons dead in the process, the Sicilian King then dies of illness (although most said it was from grief). Serbia was then invaded and for a third time the Sicilians were driven back into the sea. Despite the Sicilians starting it, the Pope excommunicated the Hungarians. An alliance was then made with the all-powerful Holy Roman Empire, which had already nearly conquered Poland, and together Hungary and the HRW invaded a weak Italy while peace was made with the Byzantines which were still too strong to risk attacking. Venice, Tuscany and Genoa fell to the Hungarians, when Greece was invaded again, and the Sicilian king was killed causing a civil war. In an attempt the end the excommunication the Papal Sates were invaded, but the cowardly Pope retreated back to Rome. But this gave the Hungarians a corridor to the Sicilian lands in Southern Italy. The Sicilian Kings invaded the Baltic more times and another King was killed, before Sicily itself was taken and the last of the Sicilian Kings slain! Alliances were then made with the Byzantines and Turks in the East, the Egyptians were getting too strong. Skirmishes on the Steppes along with bribery brought Vothynia, Lithuania, Smolensk, chernign and Livonia into the fold. After refusing to make peace Rome was invaded, the Pope killed and Rome burned to the ground and left for Rebels, ending the excommunication.

The year is now 1147: thanks to the efforts of his father, and the new territories conquered, Kálmán’s empire is now the richest in Europe, and can also afford the largest military. Slowly a Hungarian navy has been built in Constantinople and new trade routes are starting to appear, although the Italian navy will have to be dealt with to truly trade with the rest of the Mediterranean. The Empire now stretches from Genoa in the West, to Trebizond in the East, From Malta in the South, to Livona on the Baltic in the North. The King’s eyes now turn East, to the rich lands of the Egyptians and the Byzantines…

Originally posted by Greeny
Damnit! I just won an epic battle where I killed the last Byzantine Emperor, then when I presses escape to save it crashed to desktop! :mad: I'll have to go back to the latest Autosave...

Oh, I know the feeling. Even in VI, the game keeps crashing for me, I had thought the problem to be gone. I now save every turn, AND before every battle, and any other time I can think of. It seems to freeze now, not crash, and usually it occurs after playing a lot but not always. In fact, I had won a battle at Armenia (?)(the one next to Nicea) but the game crashed, I restarted and lost the battle.

Anyway I was trying to build a navy, but Constantiople was the only place that Lazlo II could build feudal men-at-arms, and they were needed badly in the Byzantine Conflict. Instead of modernizing his armies, Lazlo II decided that a good economy was needed and more than doubled the old one. Alas, he died before his plans for world domination were complete... Don't disband the peasant armies though. They are cheap peacekeepers, ie your 100-man garrison for only 37 florins a year. Also your castle garrison will hold out longer if you have less men to garrison it, because they eat less food.

Anyway, it sounds as if King Kálmán I is doing a terrific job, perhaps better than that of his father.:king: :worship:

Are you going to try and hold the Papancy's lands or once a new pope reappears will you abandon the province(s) so that we would be neutral with the new Papancy? This would probably be the best option as too many troops would be needed to hold on to the papancy's provinces for any length of time.

I've already moved out of Rome, destroying all buildings for cash, and leaving it to the bandits\rebels.

Cool :D

here you go

A summary?

Next King Kálmán, seeing that the Byzantines were weak, launched a huge invasion along with his allies the Turks taking their lands (Anatola, Rhodes and Georgia) and killing the Emperor, his heir fled to Cyprus but soon he too was put to the sword and the Byzantines were no more. Having a huge army with nothing much to do, and since the Egyptians were had a huge army, he decided to seize more land off of his former allies and invaded the Turks, killing two of the Sultan's sons. In the face of the huge Hungarian army of over 3000 men the Sultan fell back until there was no more land to give, and made a last stand in Edessa. Foolishly the Sultan charged at the head of his army into Kálmán's waiting men-at arms and soon fled before being cut down, after this the rest of his army lost heart and the successive waves were easily dispatched, after just 3 years, the Turks were no more.

After this peace reigned for many years, a cease-fire was finally signed with the Italian King in exile in Sardinia opening up the seaways for trade. The Sicilians re-appeared in Malta and the Pope in exile returned to the ruins of Rome at the head of a huge army. The Danes accepted an alliance. However despite having sired 5 daughters the King had not yet had an heir meaning that his brother would have to take the throne after him.

Then in 1160 the peace was shattered as the Egyptians and Novogordians conspired to lauch a join attack on the Empire! Heavily outnumbered in Syria the Hungarian's stood firm and when all but the Egyptian Sultan had fled in the face of the valiant defenders he was killed for his bravery, surrounded by hundreds of Hungarian warriors. Soldiers from all across the empire were gathered together and sent East to take on the Egyptian might. A huge amphibious invasion was made in Palestine to try and take the new Sultan by suprise and capture him but he retreated and retreated until the huge, fully mobilised Hungarian military had him cornered in Egypt where he and his nation were destroyed.

Meanwhile to the North on the lightly defended Steppes a huge mercenary army was called for to deal with the Russians, paid for by the massive new wealth brought by Mediterranean trade, lightly defended Novogord and Moscovy were taken quickly by Kazan proved more difficult and changed hands several times. Prince Geza was captured there but his ransom was paid, so he survived. Eventually the people of Novogord were beaten back, and confined to Finland, their King was captured 2 times in the process and sold back for a massive Kings ransom.

After these threats were take care of Civil war erupted in the Almond Kingdom, the King was quick to take advantage, bribing the rebels to join him and gaining new territories in North Africa, Norway was bought in this was too. The Hungarian navy now stretched right across the known world so money was now no object.

King Kálmán died in bed, ages 56 in the year of our lord 1171. His one regret was that he never had a son to be his hear, so had to leave his throne to his brother Geza, on his death bed his counselled him not to take on the huge German Empire until he was ready and that there were probably easier enemies to take on first.

BTW Geza II is 53 already so whoever is playing him will only play for 4 years (a bug in VI means all Kings die ages 56 :( ) I expect the throne will then pass to his brother (also quite old) and then to one of thier sons who will only just have come of age.

And how do you take a screenshot in MTW?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Hungarians_1171.zip

To take a screenshot, press the "print Screen" button on the keyboard. Then you must exit (or alt-tab) to Paint, and press "paste." You will get the full screen so it's only necessary to make a copy of the mini-map.

Thanks:

Wow! Great job! I know most of those Russain provinces are useless, but still, great job! :thumbsup:

Random Question: About what time do the Mongols usually invade?

1240 although it can vary by quite abit and that might be the date of gunpowder...

I guess I will have to play next as no one else has signed up for this game.

Hmm I cannot unzip the file as it has an error. Could someone else try and see if it works for them. If it does, then I will try reinstalling Winzip or someone could send me the unzipped version.

I think it may well be the zip file as its only 34.9kb. Ah I used the second link and now it works.

King Gera 1171-1175

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Hun3.JPG

After watching his brother command the Hungarians to new victories and establishing a mighty army, King Gera wished that now he had his chance to make an impact that it would be a positive one.

Huge armies in Egypt were quickly moved to Sinai and the ship network completed so that these armies could strike anywhere that they wished. Gera continued to build ships during his reign though so that we could outnumber the Italians when we eventually go to war with them.

In the second year of his reign the Hungarian armies marched to victory by finally wiping out the Russians and also destroying the Danish in the first year of combat and also taking Mercia from the rebels to give the next Hungarian King a base to wipe out the English from, although the Germans have a mighty army in Wessix which may need to be destroyed first.

An emissary had also been sent to Ireland but he still hadn't reached Ireland, when the Papancy launched an attack on Naples which was initially successful but in in the last year of his reign the Hungarian armies were once again mobalised and the Papancy's entire military was wiped out.

During his short reign as King, Gera managed to destroy three empires although small, and also began training new armies so that his successor could win against any enemy that he chose.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Hungarians_1175.zip

It's now my turn, right? I'll probably finish by tonight. A note to Dell19- You don't need to zip the file for my download, I have cable modem so it doesn't really matter if its zipped or not.

I do since you can only upload certain file types to CFC and funnily enough .cpg files are not one of those :p so I have to unzip it first.

Well here's how it started out:

King Samuel II ascended to the throne at the age of 47, in the year of our Lord 1175. Even though he had by far the largest empire, other nations granted him little respect. (only 3 influence points) He began his reign by ordering a detailed report of all his provinces and the likeliness of rebellions. He saw that three provinces were slightly likely to rebel, and he shifted around troops accordingly. (to Dell19- the SHIFT function does NOT ignore small rebellion chances such as 1 or 2 %)

In 1177, the Holy Roman Emperor died, and the first thing the new Emperor did was launch an attack on the Hungarian navies. Of three attacks, 2 succeeded. By land the Germans held their ground, waiting for the inevitable counterattack by the mighty Hungarians. The Spanish King died with no heirs, and his kingdom became a collection of rebels. Hmmmm, thought King Samuel II, perhaps they can be bribed. He had already bribed an Amalohad army, and he new now he must prepare for war with them. They were to obsessed with their struggles in Spain to put up much of a fight.

The Germans began invasion by land, and the Hungarians, even though outnumbering their enemies 2,000 to 1,000, could not take Poland. The Germans began to take former Italian lands, and even launched an attack on Hungary herself, but the King drove away the invaders.

The heir situation was desperate. Only one male son had been concieved, he had come of age. The King moved his son out of Hungary and away from the fighting. The merciless Germans had begun rapidly taking lightly defended provinces, they called it blitzkreiging. Suddenly the King realized that they were upon his only heir! He commanded his son along with the 100 peasants to retreat to the stronghold and await further reinfocements. The King wondered, how did the Germans get there? It was in a safe, inland county... Then he realized that the county shared a small border with Poland, held by the Germans. Before he could get enough reinforcements in, the Germans assaulted the castle!

This is the part that really CHEESES ME OFF! (I need to find a healthier way of getting rid of my anger.) The Germans assaulted the castle. I was ready to accept defeat. The 100 peasants held the gate against 100 slav warriors and 22 spearmen for some time, and finally the heir had to charge in himself. When suddenly, the enemy general had been killed by shot of arrow! The enemy began to lose heart, and all began running away. The few men that were left, 9 peasants and 4 Royal Knights, chased the emey away. As they were just about to hit into the last group of Slav javilinmen THE F****** GAME CRASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I could find a lot of mad smileys right now to fit my mood. At least I'm not the type of person who has a bad temper... all I did was stare at the screen, if this happened to some friends of mine there wouldn't be a screen left...
I played the siege again and lost the heir. This same turn the King dies, with no males at all even alive.

If the game could have waited 2 more minutes to crash... I would have already saved. My anger is not at losing the game, it is at in the face of insurmountable odds, I actually won, but the freak of a computer I own decided to mock me.

I say we start one as the Aragornese :)

Now it's time to go do some nice, quiet, calming, WH40K painting...

Well you could play the battle again since technically you won both if you don't want to then you can start the next if you want to although it probably should be Greeny to start the new game.

A bit a shame really... Also could we have a look at the state of the empire after the cival war as it might still be worth carrying on...

Also I have known for awhile now that the shift function actually works. Its auto manage taxes which is annoying as it doesn't alert you to the fact that a province might rebel that year if tax rates are set to very low and there is stilll a chance of rebellion.

I thought if the King died and had no heirs, then you lost the game? It was very annoying because after I lost the battle the next battle crashed too so I never saw the state of the empire. What's the criteria for civil wars? I know if you have generals with little loyalty they'll civil war, but you can have civil wars over the throne? I lost the first game I ever played because I had no heirs, so I figured this game was lost. If I knew there would be a civil war I wouldn't have made a big deal about it.

If there is no heir then control passes to the strongest general I think but I'm not sure. I've only ever had one civil war and I had the choice to chose which side I wished to control and I was able to reunite my Polish empire since I controlled the majority of the troops and could bribe the others.

Well the last save I have is right before the seige with the heir. I'll play through that and the civil war will pass to you, since the king will die.

Not to me, to Greeny :p He is the next player.

Is it too late for me to wedge my ass in here and play? This game looks more or less over, so I'll probably wait for the next one.

Well, I replayed the siege, my heir died, and I lost the game, no civil war.

Okay so time to start a new game. The game starter can chose the Kingdom. Bob can start the new game but if he says he doesn't want to, then Metalhead can start the game instead.

I'll start the game if nobody minds. Should I keep it on Normal or go up to hard? Anyway I'll probably start it tonight but I might not have enough time. Tommorrow night I'll definitely have it started.

Difficulty: Normal
Faction: Aragornese (hee hee)
Period: Early

The year is 1078. King Sancho I looked over his small kingdom. It contained only one major province, Aragorn. He began to formulate a lan to take over the world. Why not, he mused. He only had some hastily trained urban militia and archers at his disposal. He decided the first act of hostility would be unconventional; instead of attacking he would bribe the Basques. They gladly joined his army. He had begun construction on a spearmaker in Aragorn which would be finished this year, and he now began work on o fort in Navarre to train troops from.

As the years progressed, King Sancho began to get stronger and stronger. He had bribed the Portuguese, and despite his informants warning him that there was a halfway chance of Portugal rebelling, they didn't. He conquered Valencia and executed El Cid himself. He was training urban militiamen in Navarre, and a fort was under construction in Portugal and Valencia.

The Spanish meanwhile were trying to rid Spain of the Muslims. King Sancho took advantage if this by launching an attack on Castille with nearly 2000 men. (I think) The Spainish were so overwhelmed they abandoned the province. With the Amalohads striking back, the Spanish were limited to only one province, Leon, with many men.

At the unlucky age of 56, the King of Aragorn died with three heirs. Before his tragic demise, he told his next-in-line not to try too early on to destroy the Spanish, since they have powerful armies, and perhaps to expand into France too. The Amalohads were too strong, and he advised his son not to anger them.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Aragonese.zip

EDIT: It's hard to tell from the pic, but Aquatine is not ours.

Hey Dell, what playing order are we using? I'll go next, and start it up tomorrow night if that's OK.

Yep you're next and then Greeny and then me.

I finished the Hungarian game(a bit late) today but I played the graetest battle I have seen.

I assume this is a single player game that you have been playing?

The first time the Mongols appeared, they used to only ever have 3000 troops but now they always have 13000. In my Sicilian game I need to defeat the Byzantine empire in 20 years so that I can defeat the Mongols as soon as they appear.

Yes it was the Hungarian scenario I downloaded from this thread.
Right now I am waiting for the Sicilian Scenario because I did 60% with the Aragonese. i do not think I can stand the Aragonese again.

Would you want to join the succession game instead of playing single player games as it wasn't the idea for people to play through the entire game on their own although we could do something like that in the future. Each player is instead meant to play just the turns until his King dies and then he passes the game on to the next player.

Yes, of course. I thought the thing about sucession games was to take the empire and take it all the way to the end. I think the order is -metalhead-Greeny-Dell19. Can I be the next if the game does not end?

Actually you can play after Metalhead as the rule was that new players would get to play as early as possible. Not sure if Metalhead has downloaded the save yet...

Where is the save? I didn't know it was my turn yet.

Well we(I) lost the Hingarian game, so it was my turn to start one. It's the Aragornese, on page 2.

Well we(I) lost the Hingarian game, so it was my turn to starte one. It's the Aragornese, on page 2.

Sorry double-post.

Well it is your turn, Metalhead :)

can i join this thing? looks like fun, just tell me how to do it. i have MTW VI

Well we each take it in turns to play the reign of a particular King and then each time the king dies the game is passed on to a new player. At the moment Metalhead is playing and then he will pass the saved game onto the next player.

i`ll join then! when am i playing?

(goes to play MTW for practice)

It's coming in a couple minutes!

King Sancho II
1105-1132

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/untitled.JPG

The ascension of Sancho II to the throne of the Aragonese ushered in an age of unprecedented challenge. The Spanish still needed to be finished off, with the Almohads and supremely powerful French poised to strike at any time. Sancho took these challenges head-on, and upon his death, the Aragonese are truly a faction on the rise.

Finishing off the Spanish proved fairly easy. The large army in Castile finished them off in a couple years, and the upper half of the Iberian belonged to them. The Almohads seemed willing to cooperate, offering an alliance that was gladly accepted - the Almohads were no threat for the time being. Sancho's greedy eyes turned north, toward a French nation that traveling merchants and minstrels had duly informed to be both the richest and of supreme military power.

Sancho had a few things in his favor. First, while they had the most troops, they would most likely be spread fairly thin, since they had just conquered the English. Second, they were at war with the Holy Roman Empire, another new ally of King Sancho. Third, the Pope had had enough of these foul reprobates, and excommunicated them. The time had come.

Mustering a surprisingly large force, Sancho pressed northward. With the help of the Germans, Toulouse and Aquitane fell quickly. With the help of peasants, as peacekeepers, and mercenaries, as supplemental forces, Sancho led his forces further north, also capturing Anjou and Brittany. Sadly, Sancho died soon after capturing Brittany, but he left in his wake a force substantial enough to hold these new lands at the very least, and a wise commander should see little trouble in capturing Normandy and Ile de France in short order.

King Sancho's one regret is that he was unable to build a completely solvent economy. He began a shipbuilding project in Aragon to expand his trade, but it barely got off the ground before his untimely death at the shocking age of 56. His successor will hopefully be able to expand trade to the necessary degree to ensure his empire a healthy income.

The King of Aragon II (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/King_of_Aragon_II.zip)

Okay its Greeny next, then me and then the new players.

OK, I'll start playing today

How do you post a link but have a different title? IE a link to civfanatics but showing up as saying "click me"?

A try: test

Press the "http://" button and follow the instructions that come up.

Or like this

(The letters that you wish to appear instead)

Delete (space)

Another test:
EDIT: waht am I doing wrong?

test

test (www.civfanatics.com)

All I did was post what you last posted but removed the space after [url that you had in your post.

Originally posted by Dell19
(The letters that you wish to appear instead)

Delete (space)

See? You said [url(SPACE) ...
But I get it now. Thanks much.

King Pedro I 1132-1162

King Pedro came to the throne at the age of 26; vowing to continue the war against the hated French. The state of the treasury worried him. He planned to finish the war as quickly as possible and then disband the costly mercenaries in the army. He began to tackle the problem by assigning governership to those who displayed impressive business acumen. On the year of his ascension (1132) the Sicilian King died leaving only rebels, attempts were made to bribe these rebels but the Italians invaded Sicily and Malta before this could be accomplished.

In 1133 after a fierce battle Ile de France is taken along with many prisoners which were ransomed back for badly needed money. Normandy and Flanders were then taken without a fight leaving the French King cut off in Friesland. An invasion of southern England was then launched, however the French King managed to fight his way through the encirclement and escaped tot he relative safety of French occupied Britain. He was not safe for long however, by 1142 the whole of Great Britain had been taken, and the French King captured 2 times, each time ransomed back for a King's ransom of over 10,000 florins a time, ending the immediate economic crisis.

The French were confined to Ireland where they would remain. But as soon as Britain was secured the dastadly Almonds invade at Castile, after a very close fight they were repelled and an immediate counter attack was launched by the garrisons of surrounding provinces on Cordoba which was successful. The Khalif was killed in Castile after being cut off when attacking it again. In 1145 Granada was invaded before reinforcements could arrive from North Africa, the Almonds retreated: The Iberian Peninsula was united! Slowly forces were extracted from keeping the peace in Britain and sent south again. Bishops reported that the Almonds now had only one province left. the rest of North Africa belonging to the Egyptians, Morocco was captured and the Khalif cowers in his castle and dies a few years later in 1150. In 1151 the large army in Northwest Europe was put to work in a massive invasion of Denmark and Sweden (Norway being bribed the year before).

Spies reported that our allies the Byzantines had made great progress against the Egyptians, so before there was nothing left to grab the Aragonese attacked across North Africa, meeting up with the Byzantines on the border of Egypt in 1156. In 1153 however the powerful Holy Roman Empire which had been our allies attack Flanders, lead by Henry the Lion, taking the garrison by suprise. The next year counter-attacks were launched on HRE contolled Saxony, Franconia, Lorraine, Flanders and Provence. In all cases the HRE retreated wihtout a fight! A civil war broke out there the same year. In 1155 the HRE made a conserted counter-attck on Franconia but this is completely destroyed: 525 killed and 631 captured against only 233 Aragonese lost. The HRE seemed to be crumbling, Swabia, Burgundy, Tyrolia, Switzerland and Bohemia were captured soon after.

The once huge Holy Roman Empire consisted only of Swabia, however they were far from finished, as the remaining 1,200 troops strike outwards, the Italians invaded Tyrolia. Since the force consisted almost entirely of archers they are easily defeated, but it brought about a surge of German power as there followed a huge loyalist revolt in the province.

Tyrolia became "the Alamo", 883 disciplined Aragonese troops against 2102. But the few prevailied 540 of the HRE were killed at once and 1125 were taken prisoner only to be put to the sword! Earning the commanding General Lord Granville the "Butcher" vice :goodjob: . By 1160 the last Holy Roman Emperor was killed but the threat of teh huge italian armys remained. The fledgling Aragonese navy was locked in battle with that of the Italians. On the day of the Kings death new was heard of a suprise attack by sea on Aragon itself, overwhelming the garrison there!

The destruction of the Italians would be the left to Pedro's son, his successor would also need the guard against the greedy Hungarians and Poles. On his deathbed the King aged 56! uttered only one word "buggy".

King Pedro will be remembered as a great empire builder, constuctor of a huge and modern army, and also for solving at least for now the economic problems that had plagued Aragon in the past.

The file:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Aragonese_1163.zip

Very nice and its me to play next :)

King Alfonso I
1163 - ????

The story so far...

At the relatively young age of 30, King Alfonso knew he had a chance to complete the war his father had started and to continue expanding the Aragonese empire in other areas. The first task was to start building units and buildings that would strengthen the economy and also to take over the Italian provinces.

There was already enough troops to launch an attack on all the reachable Italian provinces, including an attack to retake Aragorn. The Italians were quickly defeated but they managed to hold off our attackers in Aragorn for a minor victory. However their casualties were too great and by 1165 the Italians had been removed from continental Europe except for some forces stuck in castles.

1165 was an interesting year as the Byzantine empire began a war with the Hungarians which was useful as the Hungarians had quite a large border army. The next year saw the Byzantines take Hungary and it looked like they would win their war whilst suprisingly the Italians were wiped out completely in the same year as they had lost Sardinia and Corsica to rebels.

For the next 5 years King Alfonso fought no wars, and expanded peacefully by bribing the rebel armies in Russia which was quite successful as the Russians only owned one province. By 1172 the Russian province was surrounded and their army was defeated, whilst the Hungarians also were wiped out by the Byzantine empire.

Since the Byzantine empire was still our allies and our empire surrounded the Polish empire, it was decided that they would be the best target for our huge armies and in 1175 our armies were largely victorious, and after these victories, King Alfonso was given the offer of accepting a so called lesser victory of dominating 60% Europe.

He decided that perhaps this would be the best option as he didn't want to betray his trusted allies, the Byzantines but he thought he would consult his aids for their opinions...

So should we start a new game or finish this one completely?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Lesvic.JPG

Hmmm. Fighting the Byzantines for a victory in this game could be interesting, although we'd almost definitely win. I say take the victory, and start a new game.

trader/warrior can start the new game then. :)

Perhaps we should do a Viking-era game, Dell. A game on hard as the Welsh might provide a more than sufficient challenge.

Well I gave Trader/warrior the choice and did mention that he could start a Viking game and if he checks this thread before he starts...

Dell - I don't know if it's your skill or my setting up ;) , but this is the second SG in a row where I've given it up only to see utter dominance. I'd like to think it means I'm doing something right!

A lot of it depends on whether other players have over expanded and whether there are enough troops to keep the peace whilst being able to hold new provinces. Also it helped that there were so few different empires left alive, oh and finally it was quite easy because the Byzantine empire never attacked us.

Yeah. I'm usually a slow player, as I'm deathly afraid of over-expanding, which means I usually hand over a game with extra troops ready to strike. I've been burnt one too many times by loyalist revolts (and benefitted from it many times as well) to send in a force that can't suppress the locals. But I think I'm more methodical in my approach than most.

i think that i`ll put it on hard difficulty in early era with almohads.

Okay thats fine by me.

What will be the playing order in this round?

Trader - Jeriko - BobTheTerrible - Metalhead - Greeny - Dell19

sorry about the long wait, i`ve been busy with friends and stuff. i`ll do it today

Okay, I was going to PM you at some point to check whether you had forgotten to check this thread...

Today?

Umm... is trader/warrior still in this?

I think you are right. Jeriko can start the game instead.

I am starting a new game.

Nation: Sicilians
Period: Early
Diffiiculty: Hard

King Adam I (1187-1112)

King Adam risen to power in 1187. He had two provinces, Malta and Sicily. He had a small force consisting spearmen and peasants. So he built Swordsmith and Spearmaker in Sicily to strenghten his army. By the way he built a navy.

After he trained an army of 400 spearman and 300 Men-at-Arms he invaded Naples. Garrison hold out for a year. He had conquered his first province. Then for 10 years he set trade as priority.

At the end of the re-construction perio, King Adam I invaded Greece and captured the province but denied the option to attack Constantinople. A few years later Byzantines attacked Greece with a force of 1000 but it was a disaster for the Byzantines. King Adam I commanded the defence personally and hacked the Byzantine army at the Battle of Salonika. The result killed 850(650 of them captured soldiers) casualties 124. So this was the last year of his reign.

King Adam I left an empire with a navy surrounding the Greek and Italian coasts, a fine army in Greece, a stable economy(1760 golds profit a year) and loyal generals. In his last moments his advice to heir was to strenghten his army in Naples, since he chose Italy as his ally when Italy declared war on Papacy.

By the way I couldn`t post my zipped save game because it said the file was too big. Help please.:cry:

You need to use the upload function at the bottom of the page. Just click where it says upload file. Then when the pop up window opens, just select the zipped file and upload it. Finally post the address of the file in this thread.

So its Bob the Terrible to play next.

You need to use the Upload File link at the bottom of this page (under the banner ad.) and follow the instructions from there. :)

I did say that :p

Here it is. May your reign be long and prosperous.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Sicilians_1112.zip

Ok, I will play as soon as possible. Depending on the length of my reign, I might have it up by tomorrow.

King Adam II- 1114-1134

King Adam II ascended the throne at age 35. He began recruiting mass numbers of peasants, since they were the only military available. By 1115, King Adam himself led an army of nearly 2000 men to Constantinople. He completely razed all of the buildings there, and left it for the rebels. One army split, and attacked Trebizond and Nicea, and the King withdrew to Greece. And the major revolt in Constantinople was... 60 archers. Perhaps he would capture Constantinople after all... if not for the two large armies in Bulgaria. By 1126 AD he had hired mercenaries, pushed through Bulgaria and up to Moldavia, and then disbanded the mercenaries.

1131 was a cursed year. Five rival leaders died. King Adam II began to sweat. All of the other kings had been 56. He was 54. Perhaps he should begin the long pu-off task of counseling his heirs...

1132, the Hungarians and the Aragornese kings, both aged 56, died. King Adam II, although he was blessed with being a great builder, began to have horrible nightmares, all of them having to deal with the 7 dead faction leaders, all of them 56.

Finally, a merciful death came upon King Adam II. He told his heir never to attack the Hungarians, as they were most powerful, although they might not look it at first glance. He then muttered something about an elephant making him pregnant in his final breath.

The save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Sicilians_1134.zip

I'll get right on it tomorrow, hopefully.

King Arcill I

1134-1155

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/minimap2.JPG

King Arcill I inherited a very successful empire from Adam II. Indeed, his factions economic strength was on the rise, and he determined that his borders were safe enough at the moment to focus on making it even stronger. Embarking on an extensive building project, farms were improved, merchants were recruited, and many ports were built to spread valuable goods to all corners of Europe. Naval strength was also improved, bringing in many thousands of florins to the empire. Before his death, King Arcill saw his goal reached, as news from across the continent confirmed the Sicilians to have the largest income of any faction.

After improving the economy, Arcill decided that the time had come for a military campaign. He made quick work of the Byzantines, capturing their final three provinces with ease. An attempt to bribe rebels in Kazar ended up in frustration, as the Turks invaded the same year, taking the province right out from under Arcill's forces. The Sicilian army, confirmed by wandering minstrels and merchants to now be the largest in the world, had a target.

After bribing a small Turkish force in Pereyaslavl sparking the war, Sicilian forces invaded Kazar and Tripoli simultaneously. Both provinces were taken with ease. The Turks appeared already to be on the run, unprepared for the coming onslaught. They were granted a reprieve, however, as the Egyptians took the opportunity to invade Nicaea!

Taken by surprise, Arcill's forces had to retreat to the keep. However, reinforcements arrived from Sicily and Naples the next year, repelling the Egyptians back to Anatolia. Many fierce battles ensued between the Sicilians against the Turks and Egyptians. Tripoli had been attacked twice by the Egyptians and once by the Turks, but the Sicilians held the province every time, killing many times the number of troops lost. Rum, Georgia, and Anatolia proceeded to be invaded by the Sicilians, and remained under siege when King Arcill unexpectedly died at the forever unlucky age of 56.

The King of Sicily (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/sicily.zip)

Greeny's turn.

Playing now :)

Usually I would leave more time but I'm just wondering when you will finish your turn as I will probably be playing next and it would be nice to have finished it before I go to Uni :) Incase I cannot get on the internet for awhile.

Nearly there, I should be able to finish it today.

Victory!

King Angus I 1155-??

King Angus came to the throne of an already rich and powerful Empire. He saw that the infidel Turks and Egyptians were to be the first target of Sicilian military might. Despite some setbacks, by 1159 they were both destroyed. The huge cash surplus generated by mediteranian trade routes was put to use improving infrastucture across the empire.

In 1160 the people of Novgorod invaded Lithuania, the mightly sicilian navy was put to work bringing in reinforcements soon Novgrod, Chernikov and Smolensk were taken, howver the border garrirons in the rest of the empire were left with few troops and the Hungarians took advantage, striking at Greece. The newly conquored territory had to be abandoned to take on this new threat.

Soon the Hungarian were pushed back and kicked out of thier homelands into thier terroitories in central Europe. But in 1166 the Papacy declared war aswell invading Naples. The same year the last spanish King died with now hiers leaving his large empire to desintegrate into rebels. Emmisaries were sent to bribe them and soon all of them were flying the Sicilian banner. Meanwhile the last of the Hungarians were being rooted out and huge counter attacks lauched on the Papacy throughout Northern Italy.
By 1174 the Huns and Papacy had been destroyed, and most of Frances land taken when they foolishly declared war. The island Kingdom of Sicily now contolled over 60% of Europe.

I suggest we take the Victory since it was getting a bit boring with the ludicrus amount of money avaliable, and there isn't any particularly strong empires left (unless you want to wait for the mongol invasion). My King is 55 so I'm practicaly finished eitherway.

I agree - take the victory!

I suggest a Viking-era SG next - perhaps the Welsh will provide a sufficient challenge?

Okay I will start the game sometime today probably and then upload it tomorrow. Nice to see someone else completing the game for a change :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Welsh.JPG

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Welsh_808.zip

Not the greatest of starts, and my King's reign would have been longer if he had not died in battle. Several times I lost battles but our armies still managed to take a large amount of Saxon provences. I've never really played that well on the Viking map because of the Vikings...

The first few years was spent taking a rebel province and then the Saxons were attacked with our mercenary army :) They retreated and from then on the Saxons generally won because we always seemed to be outnumbered but somehow they gradually got pushed back to the one province. My heir will need to pull off a victory against the last Saxon army so that we can being to build up the provinces.

Good Luck! :)

Jeriko next.

Sorry, I was away. I will start playing today.

Thats fine, you did play your turn last time. :)

King Caradoc II(808-848)

Caradoc II ascended to the throne at the age of 16. With 40 years at hand he started long term projects. He destroyed the Saxons first. Then took the northern Rebel territory so his border was a straight line. But in his 7th year as a king, Vikings invaded one of the most important provinces and wreaked havoc for 10 years in the Welsh territory.
After this,2 years later seeing that the Welsh were weakened by the invasion, the Mercians attacked and captured 3 provinces. With the help of the mercenaries Caradoc counterattacked. The provinces were won, lost, then won again. One of the captured provinces had an inn and that changed the course of war. An assasin was trained to stalk enemy emmissaries and princesses. He killed a bishop. Then with 34% chance of success, he kiled the Mercian King! By the way some ships were created to patrol the seas. Now the Vikings couldn`t invade the Welsh territory at will. After the death of the Mercian king a the new king started his reign in Mercia. Then then the unthinkable happened; the new king of Mercia was assasinated just like his predecessor. With this last blow Mercians degenarated into minor factions. Now Tedur Bundywulf(I made that up:p ) was known all over England and Ireland.
With the demise of his enemy Caradoc was sure that he can rule the southern part of the island. But that was not the case. The Saxons reappeared and captured two of the rebel provinces. Caradoc decided to eliminate against Saxons so he could capture the rebel provinces easily. He eliminated the Saxons again in just 3 turns. Now the economy was fine army and navy were the strongest. In the last years of his reign, Caradoc tried to seek alliances and succeded. Caradoc died at the age of 56.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Welsh_848.zip

BobTheTerrible - Metalhead - Greeny - Dell19 - Jeriko

So Bob is next to play :)

Ok. Most likely I will have it up tonight, I have next to no homework.

Ok, well here's the story so far. I wrote a lot, to make it sort of stand out fomr all of the other ones. I don't think I will finish tonight.

In 848 AD, King Idwal I ascended the Mercian throne.

By 850, the Irish became the strongest, having aquired new territory apart from their homeland and recruiting new soldiers. The Welsh, under King Idwal, became stronger too through bribery and military force.

In 852, the Mercians staged a revolt to re-establish themselves as a major power. Two other provinces joined the rebellion. The Welsh took this opportunity to declare war and invade the two provinces that joined the Mercians. If all went well he hoped to invade East Engle in several years and eliminate the Mercians. His forces included many mercenaries who had heard of the glory (and money) they would get from attacking the Mercians. He captured both East Seaxe and Cantware, and was able to launch a massive invasion of East Engle. The massive battle included over 3000 Welsh and 2300 Mercian soldiers. 900 Welsh were lost, and 1577 Mercians were killed in battle, the rest driven off the field in fear of the mighty Welsh armies. The stable boy they called their king was caught running from the field screaming like a girl. The Mercians didn't even bother to pay the ransom of their pitiful king, and their "empire" collapsed into rebels. A small, 2 year campaign was all it took to destroy the puny Mercians. The King didn't even have time to fight in the battles as he was on the other side of Wales at the time.

In 854, King Idwal got word that the Scottish were staging a rebellion to attempt and unify the collection of rebels making up the old Scotland. He didn't think that would last long, because the Irish had lately been expanding to near where the Scots were rebelling. King Domnall IV led a force of only 600 men in the province of Sci. He would be forced to fight the rebel general Maelchon who was leading a force of 363 men. It was no contest, King Idwal was sure.

Before he could see the outcome, he was turned to the more pressing matters at home. Due to that massive numbers of mercenaries he had hired, his income was limited to 47 florins. He had known this, and now he began to disband the Mercenary armies, raising the projected profit margin to 3484 florins next year. Throughout the empire, he began marching what armies he could spare towards the border with the Northumbrians. He knew that they must fall to the Welsh before the Irish armies occupied them, if the Irish got there first, they would be nearly unstoppable.

As the months passed, his armies marched closer to Northumbria. Due to rumors of rebellions in East Engle, some forces had to hold, and scare the East Englians into submision. There were still rebels in the warrior hold, but the commanding general, Cenwulf, decided to just wait them out for about a year.

King Idwal heard from his navy that the Scians had retreated under the face of King Domnall's attack. He heard that although King Domanall's force was small, it was fairly powerful, consisting of many mounted nobles and armoured spearmen.

856 saw the fall of East Engle and Cantware, and King Idwal becoming known as a great builder. More of King Idwal's armies marched towards Northumbria. Even though they were his trusted allies, they must submit to him so that he could contend with the mighty Irish. In 857 King Idwal himself led an attack into Dec Saetan, and Lord Cymwig, Earl of Lindissi lead an attack into Oere. The attacks caught the Northumbrians completely off guard and in both instances they retreated. The Vikings decided that the Northumbrians made better allies than us, and regretfully cancelled the alliance they had with the Welsh. The Irish too thought thye were lesser that the Northumbrians. Merchants, however, told Idwal that his military force surpassed even the Irish.

By 860, Oere and Dec Saetan had both fallen, and King Idwal advanced on the northern front, his warriors mercilessly driving the enemy before him. He met the enemy king in hand to hand combat, and slayed them man himself. With that, the Northumbrians collapsed into rebels. The Vikings attacked and finished off what little remained of there petty kingdom.

King Harold, one of the few Saxon dogs who had survived the great destruction of their kingdom, managed to rally a small peasant rabble of about 200 men to his cause. He congregated his men at Dornesaete, and attacked a force of 90 celtic warriors led by the rebel Harold Hunt. King Harold lost about 50 men in the battle against Hunt, and next year he was taken care of by the Welsh army.

The Vikings saw an opening in the Welsh sea defenses in Oere, and launched an attack with 60 spearmen. They were promptly killed by the garrison of 300 Welsh.

In 865 King Idwal was told that his forces controlled two thirds of England, and the other nations were willing to submit. Seeing as the Irish presented a formiddible threat, he decided to go on. He was only 38, he had his whole life ahead of him, although he had a strange idea that he would die at the age of 56. He dismissed the thought and drew up plans for an invasion of Scandinavia. He would need a big navy, and he ordered the construction of new ports and ships.

In 868, the Irish attacked the Welsh. The Welsh garrison stayed in the warrior hold, and a large army advanced to free them. Also Large armies attacked the Irish elsewhere.

Ok, the condensed rest:

The later half of King Idwal's reign was spent quashing rebellions, fending off against the light Viking raids, and leading a large force into Ireland. Many mercenaries earned their pay, and then were disbanded after they had been used. Ireland now belonged to the Welsh. The Welsh had also been making significant progress on the Northern front. After taking several provinces, there was a massive stalmate for many years, until a combination of a Northumbriand civil war broke out, and a small Welsh reinforcement army finally got there, allowed the Welsh to fight and bribe their way through.

An emisarry was sent to Nordlannd, where it swayed the Norse general there to join the Welsh, for a sum of course. The Norse now had two provinces, Jutland and a small island between England and Ireland. They would bve easy, once the Welsh could finally get some men there; the bots they had now could only transverse shallow waters.

I don't have time to write the rest now, just let the picture do the talking.

May your reign be prosperous, and may you dominate all of England!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/The_Welsh_884.zip

The small island is the Isle of Man :)

Metalhead's turn.

Ok, I just didn't know at the time, and yes, of course I'm American so that's why I don't know.

If you want we could just end it, because now it looks like we will dominate anyway.

It would be quite nice to completely dominate though. Well I will leave it up to Metalhead, he can either finish this game or start a new one.

Sorry for the delay, but I haven't had internet access in awhile. Not surprisingly, we won this game. If it's cool with you guys, I'd like to start the next one, just throw out some ideas for faction and era. It might be nice to do a late era game, but I'll do anything. For posterity's sake:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/mtw_welsh.JPG

Germans, late period, hard. Anyone?

I don't mind.

Just in case you haven't seen it yet but have auto notification. The patch for VI is out. Links can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65819)

Thanks, Quokka! I'll DL it, and start the new game. It should be up today or tomorrow.

How do you set up the modders patch? I d/led it and when I open it nothing really happens. I try to run the zipped file and it says it performed an illegal operation and must be shut down.

I don't know for sure about the Modders patch as I only have one install of VI as yet but from what I can gather it should just be the MTW.exe and version.txt so that nothing else is overwritten.

Who will start a new game?

Greeny played after Metalhead last time so he should probably start the new game...

As I'm sure you can appreciate Dell19, I'm currently a bit busy at Uni so Someone else can start it and I may be able to play at a later date.
BTW what are peoples opinions about using WesW's MedMod v3.12 for the next game? http://wes.apolyton.net/

I already have it downloaded, that is all I'm playing right now. I have to say the amount of new units is great! Also their is the whole homelands concept, so basicallly the Spanish can't train any troops outside of Spain. This makes it much more challenging to keep an army, and get it to the frontier. Also most trade is more balanced, and the Atlantic and the Mediterranian are two separate seas; ie no trading/agent movement between the two of them.

I have a game going as the Sicilians in late, and it is my best game yet. Since you can only train troops in Malta, Sicily, and Naples (probably all the rest of Italy too, but the aforementioned provinces are all I control right now) you have to make a decision between Ships for trade and Troops. I took Hungary because of my Sicilian Chivilric Knights, but now the Mongols have invaded, and The Italians and I are all that's keeping the Mongols from taking Europe. As my front was about to collapse, many mercenaries were hired to turn the tide.

Anyway, that's just my feedback. There are just a few bugs, like the Polish perhaps not getting all of their units or occasional peasant rebellions with catapults only, but I would definately say it would be a good idea to use it for the Sg, of course only if everyone agrees.

I forgot to mention, the AI expands very well. Denmark/Sweden/Aragon all expand, usually do much better than you would expect. Sicily is usually ambitiously striking at the Byzantines/turks. It is amazing how much better they play now.

MedMod 3.12 is all I play now as well. Incredible.

Bob as the Sicilians your Homelands are the Italian Peninsula, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Crete and Rhodes and you can build most of the Italian units there. Also the Sicilians can build some Muslim units so you can make Murabitin Infantry(Chiv Sgts) in the Almohads Homelands (Aragon to Cyrenacia, High & Late), Mamluk Horse Archers in the Egyptian Homelands (Cyrenacia to Edessa, All) and Saharan Cavalry (Morocco to Sinai, Early & High)

Here is a Excel Summary (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/MedMod_3.12_Summary.zip) that I have made for each faction. Tell me what you think.

I saw your posts in the .org forums, and I was actually going to ask today on this thread if you had it done. Thank you. (for some reason I can't sign up at .org)

The game (Sicilians) is a real challenge though. I am doing well, I have Russia/Hungary, Constantinople, and parts of Africa and Spain. I would have more but the Italians think they are still Rome, so they have conquered much.

Glad you like it. Add the Woodsmen to the Byzantine build list, I just noticed I forgot to add them. I didn't do anything about Seige Weapons because they are almost exactly the same as the original game.

Some of the prices may vary because I also noticed that I forgot to figure in the faction discounts, but at least they vary downwards, which is a good thing.

Argh! Why does the computer seem to enjoy picking difficult battles! The Mongols could have easily taken back Armenia which the Egyptions had taken from them, largely because of my forces. So what did they do instead. Attack the only province that I controlled with a border and the majority of my army. They lost, must I lost 500 troops in the process and they could have been very useful in the upcoming Byzantine-Egypt war (It always happens :().

Since these threads have been inactive for some time, Matrix has asked me if they still need to be stickied, now I said that they didn't but I thought I would give everyone the opportunity to say whether they want to start a new succession game or to let the idea die...

I for one am having a blast playing the MedMod 3.13, which should be updated today or tomorrow to include the Crusader Kingdoms faction. The battles are so much better, along with the strategic aspect of the game, and the AI. Perhaps a SG should be started using the MEdMod.

Hi!

I saw the first post and wnat to correct somethings:

Huns are not Hungarians.

Huns were a nomadic people who were unified by Attila who opposed the Roman Empire around A.D. 380. They fought several wars. After the death of Attila the Huns disappeard.

Hungarians settled in the place that is now called Hungary in A.D. 895-7.

They leaded some(many) "hit and run" robbery campaing. These have been stopped after the Battle of Ausburg AD 955. The first great victory over Hungarians was in 933 at Merseburg. Until that Hungarians pillaged all over Europe. Some say that they reached Hispanian-peninsula(Spain).
Some say Hungarians could only be victorius because:
I. Unusually tactics in battles(I could write a little about that if You are interested).
II. Europe's states and "micro-states" were warring against each other(fall of the Charlemagne Empire, etc).
III. Vikings also raided Europe at that time.

After those "adventures" Hungarians began to get settled down(until that Hungarians were semi-nomadic).
The first big step was made by Géza I. who made good relationship with those Germans at the western border (descendants of those were the WELFs who always betrayed the Holy Roman Emperor, I think the unluckiest was Barbarossa) and by his son Stephen I, the first King of Hungary(see Middle Ages Conquest sceanrio).

There are some similarities why you may have been confused:
I. These two nations came from Eastern Europe/Western Asia.
II. There are some theories that Hungarians are the descandants of the Huns.
III. "Anonymus", King Laszló's chronicler wrote that Huns and Hungarians share the same origin.
IV. Legends say that Attila, the leader of the Huns may have been buried in that region(which was known as Hungary, though his "tomb" has never been found, thogh I may be wrong with this).

The similarities in names:
There is an argue about this, because some say that Hungarian comes from Huns(thanks to Anonymus) and some say that it comes from Ugor(ancient nation, with linguistic similarities, that is why historians say that Finns are the distant realtives of Hungarians[both were part of the Finn-Ugor nation, what scattered in to three major regions/nations: One of these stayed at the Ural Mountains(the eastern border of Europe) one wandered West[Finns] and the third part wandered South-west[the Magyars])]).

That's all.

Interesting post, I've always thought there might be some slim connection and so I've felt that using Hun is a useful way of shortening Hungary when it might be necessary to type it several times.

What game are you playing?

We are playing Medieval: Total War, with the Viking Invasion expansion pack installed. I hope people are still subscribed to this post. I'll be PMing all of you anyway. Do you remember the play order Dell, cause I am starting a new game. I'll post in a minute with the game conditions.

I would advise creating a new play order as quite a few people probably won't be interested in the succession game anymore... I don't currently have it installed but I might be interested in joining again if enough people are interested again.

Era: Early
Difficulty: Hard
Faction: Spanish

I'll have the next save game by the end of the weekend. Whoever volunteers can get the next spot.

I won't be done by tonight, but I do have some good news. Iberia is secured and the Norhtern front seems quiet. I am mostly wearing down the Almohads with Crusades and saving money for buildings. Luckily the death of an Almohad prince and the loss of Grenada nad Morroco has forced them to civil war.

Nevermind, I will be done tonight. Will be up in a few minutes.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62850&stc=1

King Alfonzo VI : 1087-1114

My starting position as the Spanish was not the best one could ask for. The Almohads had access to both my territories. Aragon, France, and England could all reach me through Navarre. I decided that rather than fighting the unscrupulous Basques, I'd buy them out. Apparently their hate of Spainairds doesn't extend to our gold. El Cid cost a bit more to buy back into the Spanish courts favour. The Portugese could wait till later.

After gathering my forces and hiring many mercenaries, I moved in on the moorish forces in Cordoba. Overwhelmed by numbers, they abandoned the province. I decided it would be easier to defend my holdings from the south if I stopped there. My forces were not great enough to penetrate all the way to Morroco. The next move would be to attack Aragon in the early 1100s. The Aragonese King died in battle at the hand of El Cid and his Jinettes.

A war with France or England would have been costly at this juncture, so I simply started to strengthen Navarre and Aragon against attack. The Almohads were my next concern. My primary strategy for dealing with the Almohads would be church sanctioned Crusades. My first strike against the Almohads was in both Grenada and Morroco. The sudden loss of the sole heir and profitable lands sent the Almohads into civil war. I took advantage of this and used the crusades as a way to recruit elite warriors. Unfortunately I lost all but 21 of the Knights of Santiago in the final battle against the Almohads. The end result of my conquest was an empire streching from the Egyptians's borders to the northernmost of the Iberian Peninsula.

After the conquest of Muslim lands I was forced to abandon many good allies because of conflicts on the continent. First I had to choose between the French and English. According to intelligence from my emissaries, France was winning the war. I was not prepared to fight a war in Europe, so I stayed allied with them. Soon enough, though, the HRE was fighitn France. I decided to commit to the HRE, since they appeared to still be strong enoguh to offer a good fight.

My developement was sparse to save money for warring. In Valencia and Leon I have been preparing to build shipyards. Both of them started construction on their first ships when Alfonzo VI persihed. In Navarre and Aragon, development is tending towards armoured defensive units, as that will be near the front for a while. Castille is building a castle so that a monastery and Inquisitors coudl be trained. The southern territories have been mostly ignored, accept to make them semi-docile.

My monarch told his successor these things. Do not waste time in the East with Crusades or get involved in a war with Egypt. THe army in the south should help protect you for a while. Start building a navy so you have the option of invading the Italian Peninsula as well as Western Europe. Prepare to make a strong offensive against the French when the time grows right. If money comes up, develop same agriculture for when the seas are too rough to trade and support the army.

Here is the save game.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62855&stc=1

I too will be interested if enough people(6-7) join the succession game.