i saw dell19's succesion game, and thought it would be a good idea to start a general discussion thread about the game. I love this game almost as much as i love civ. If you don't have it and you like civ, i recomend that you get it. Its perfect blend of RTS and turn based empire building is great, although it is not the first to do this (try Star Wars: Rebellion) it is cetainly the best.

Anyone else have this game? Anyone else have the viking invasion expansion pack? Anyone else eagerly awaiting Rome: Total War?

IIRC there already is a general discussion thread on MTW. Look in Dell19's sig.

There is probably room for a new discussion thread as the other thread had died and it should be being used for new players to join the two succession games. Also I must remember to alter my sig...

:eek: oops, i didnt know that there was already a MTW discussion thread... oh well

Originally posted by tctatheel7
i saw dell19's succesion game, and thought it would be a good idea to start a general discussion thread about the game. I love this game almost as much as i love civ. If you don't have it and you like civ, i recomend that you get it. Its perfect blend of RTS and turn based empire building is great, although it is not the first to do this (try Star Wars: Rebellion) it is cetainly the best.

Anyone else have this game? Anyone else have the viking invasion expansion pack? Anyone else eagerly awaiting Rome: Total War?

in the same Janer I like " Lords of Realm II "
but is to easy

i've never played it. is that more like civ or MTW?

"Lords" is good, I hear they are coming out with a 3rd installment.

I like MTW more. It's so cool. RTW should be great.

Has anyone gotten the expansion "Viking Invasion"? I wanted to know if it was worth buying.

i did. the new campsign is cool, and i think that there are about 70 new units. also, you can be some of the countries you couldn't be in the first one, like sicily and hungary. i think that it was worth buying... worth buying more than PTW at least

Originally posted by tctatheel7
i did. the new campsign is cool, and i think that there are about 70 new units. also, you can be some of the countries you couldn't be in the first one, like sicily and hungary. i think that it was worth buying... worth buying more than PTW at least

Thanks for the info. Is the new map of England good?

I can't wait to be Hungary, (I'm 50%, so I think they are worth a try, eh?)

The Hungarians aren't too bad to play as, as they start with 3 provinces and can quickly bribe some rebel provinces and are similar to the Polish in game play. THe England map is pretty good but so far all my games have come to a stalemate with all my neighbours having huge armies that I didn't want to attack. Also if you want a real challenge, try playing as the Aragonese.

the sicilians are my favorite. i've taken over most of north africa and the italian peninsula. the pope attacked me :lol:, so i destroyed him. now i need to work on the italians...

Originally posted by tctatheel7
the sicilians are my favorite. i've taken over most of north africa and the italian peninsula. the pope attacked me :lol:, so i destroyed him. now i need to work on the italians...

Watch out, that Pope will keep leading rebellions against you forever. Alsways keep a big and strong army in Rome.

Thats what happened in my game. I did briefly try and attack the African provinces but then the Italians began a war against the Germans and I benefitted. Unfortunately I ended up being excommunicated, being attacked by the pope, the Spanish, the French and the Germans...

Originally posted by Dell19
The Hungarians aren't too bad to play as, as they start with 3 provinces and can quickly bribe some rebel provinces and are similar to the Polish in game play. THe England map is pretty good but so far all my games have come to a stalemate with all my neighbours having huge armies that I didn't want to attack. Also if you want a real challenge, try playing as the Aragonese.

Which is your favorite to play in England? Do they have the Irish? I hope so. Who are you playing as now? I say, build up strong, and wedge into your enemies. I love the Total War series.

Yep they have the Irish. I wondered what you were talking about and then I realised that you were talking about the UK and scandanavia only game but of course with more provinces.

I just noticed your avatar...NICE!

the vikings are really fun to play as, but they're too easy:(

scottish are usually the team i play as

In the new one? I liked the Danish in the regular version.

oh yeah, i forgot to say that was in the new campaign

that's what I thought.

The Aragonese are fun to play as at the moment as I'm just waiting for the right moment to start some new wars against Spain, Germany or Italy.

i really enjoy being the spainish. i just send one crusade through north africa, and it wipes out the whole almonhad empire:D

I hate those Almohads!

Originally posted by tctatheel7
i really enjoy being the spainish. i just send one crusade through north africa, and it wipes out the whole almonhad empire:D

Depends on the difficulty level. Plus its usually possible to drive them out of Spain in 5 years simply by hiring mercenaries and new units and then attacking.

I have MTW(great game,by the way:goodjob: ) and I figured this is the best place to ask this so... do the AI's get unlimited money? I mean as the Italians the Pope attacks me in Naples, I win, take Rome and the Papal States. Naturally, a few years later he rebels, I plunder Rome leaving it with nothing. It is down to earning under 500 florins, yet the Pope's rebellion armies cost 1845 (yes, I calculated) florins. So how come, a few years later he has not disbanded his armies and given me mercs:confused:

You are never forced to disband armies, it just means that he would no longer be able to build new units so he would be stuck with those units for the rest of the game. In a succession game this happened to the Italians as they were left with huge armies in Corsica and Sardinia but the armies were too large for them to support so they were stuck on those two islands as they couldn't afford to build a dock.

yeah, unlike civ, when you get into negative money, you don't have to disband any units or destroy any buildings in MTW. I think what it means is that you have a loan from the bank. right now my brother is at -5,500 florins (gold) :lol:

The odd thing about medieval is that for most of the games that I play I will be struggling for money and then there is usually a period where my treasury just expands rapidly, usually when I've completed my shipping empire. The the other coincidence is that when I reach 200000 florins I end up fighting lots of people.

Right now in my game as the Aragonese, the Italians and Spanish are both now at war with me even though I had never attacked either of them and had not even been attacking Christian empires for quite some time. Now I've been excommunicated so I am planning on a massive rampage.

How do you succession games work, exactly? Are there more than one player?

With the MTW games the actual Kings are more important than in Civ and after so many years the current King will die and then his heir will take over. So its possible to save the game when the current king dies and then pass on the succession game to someone else to play. So we only control one empire and take it in turns to be the King.

Oh that's awesome. Yet, how does one transfer the game on? Just because you saved it, how do I get to carry on the legacy?

Well it would be possible to just email it to the next player but at the moment we just zip the saved game file and the upload it using the CFC upload file function and then post the link to the file in the correct MTW thread and then the next player downloads it.

Can I join...even though I have no idea what you just said ;)

Of course you can join! :D Do you have Viking Invasion and Medieval Total war as we have two succession games, one based on each of them and you can join either or both.

Oh and a screenshot from one of my own games:

Europe in Pink
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Pink.JPG

:lol: :lol: :lol:

lol, the mighty armies of aragon!!!

Originally posted by Dell19
Of course you can join! :D Do you have Viking Invasion and Medieval Total war as we have two succession games, one based on each of them and you can join either or both.


I only have MTW, as of now...what difficulty level do you guys play at?

I'd love to join!

That is quite amazing dell. I never knew anyone, on any difficulty level could win with the Aragonese. Bravo!:goodjob:

Originally posted by Alex the Great
That is quite amazing dell. I never knew anyone, on any difficulty level could win with the Aragonese. Bravo!:goodjob:

It was on easy :lol: And I had one huge slice of luck early in the game when the French were winning a war against the English and then they capitulated into rebels so I managed to take about 4 provinces in the west of France which allowed me to destroy the Frenchwhen they reappeared and carry on playing the game as normal.

@Benderino Yep you can join and you can play next after Bob who I think is playing next although I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Dell19



@Benderino Yep you can join and you can play next after Bob who I think is playing next although I'm not sure.

What difficulty level do you play on? What nation are we? It better not be the Almohads! :mad:

;)

Its on Hard and we are playing as the Byzantines. Although at the moment the difficulty level has been bumbed up to very hard as we are having a huge war with the Spanish and the Mongols although progress has been made in reducing their armies.

Oh and I've started a new single player game as the Sicilians and this time I decided to bribe the armies in Russia and have 8 provinces now (5 in Russia).

I spent several hours playing as the Sicilians, only to lose because my king died with no heirs :mad:

Originally posted by Dell19
Its on Hard and we are playing as the Byzantines. Although at the moment the difficulty level has been bumbed up to very hard as we are having a huge war with the Spanish and the Mongols although progress has been made in reducing their armies.



Sounds great. I usually play on hard, but I could give very hard a try. Byzantines are alright. Which age?

Well we started in the Early age but the Mongols have appeared so we are around 1250. If you want you can be the next player then the saved game is on the bottom of the page and remember that you need the 1.1 patch.

Also with the Sicilians I have managed to take over all the Russian provinces and began a war against the Polish.

A Sicilian screenshot. As a little background only the Germans and Hungarians are actually at war and the Germany and Byzantine are my allies but it is quite a nice standoff, although I am worried that the date is getting closer to Mongol invasion time and I own Khazar.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Standoff.JPG

Originally posted by Dell19
Well we started in the Early age but the Mongols have appeared so we are around 1250. If you want you can be the next player then the saved game is on the bottom of the page and remember that you need the 1.1 patch.

Also with the Sicilians I have managed to take over all the Russian provinces and began a war against the Polish.

where can I get the patch? Sure, I'll play if I have the time. How in the hell did the Sicilians get from Italy all the way over to Russia and Scandinavia?

I just got MTW, but for some reason every time I try to start a campaign, it exits out to desktop. When I just do the battles, it's fine, its only when I start a campaign it messes up. any ideas on what I should do?

Try patching it bacon king. You can patch here (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/MTW/Patches.shtml)

Originally posted by Bacon King
I just got MTW, but for some reason every time I try to start a campaign, it exits out to desktop. When I just do the battles, it's fine, its only when I start a campaign it messes up. any ideas on what I should do?

that sucks. Good luck fixing it. I have a problem too. when I beat the campaign the screen turns white and I hear a voice that describes the powerful nation I just won as. Am I supposed to see anything too, or just hear the voice? It seemed like there should be pictures or a movie or something :confused:

What are your thoughts?

tctatheel7, you're link for the patch doesnt work.

edit: ok, I did, a google search and I'm downloading the patch now. 46% complete :yeah:

Ok.... it still won't work....
the only thing I can think of is to reinstall it, I'll try that now.

Originally posted by Benderino


where can I get the patch? Sure, I'll play if I have the time. How in the hell did the Sicilians get from Italy all the way over to Russia and Scandinavia?

1) Google + Medieval Total war + patch

2) I'm the Sicilians so I thought I would try bribing the main rebel lands so thats why they are in Russia.

Originally posted by Dell19


1) Google + Medieval Total war + patch

2) I'm the Sicilians so I thought I would try bribing the main rebel lands so thats why they are in Russia.

Alright, I downloaded it. What kinds of new stuff is on it?

crap... sorry my link didn't work:confused:

There is a list somewhere of about 100 changes but most of them are minor. An example is that Kings are no longer invincible when they are on their own and surrounded by the entire enemy army.

:D

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Prepared.JPG

Thats still probably less than half my total amount of troops as I had to leave troops to defend my borders as at some point everyone is going to attack me.

Originally posted by Dell19
:D



Thats still probably less than half my total amount of troops as I had to leave troops to defend my borders as at some point everyone is going to attack me.

That's in a campaign/main game thing? How did you get to see the enemies exact units?

It always does when you are about to have a battle. A box appears displaying the amount of forces each army has.

Originally posted by Dell19
It always does when you are about to have a battle. A box appears displaying the amount of forces each army has.

Oh, is that for the expansion? In the regular one it only tells how many troops, not which ones.

i just had an idea. what if, in conquests, they allow it so that units could require buildings and/or a technology, and we create an MTW scenario for civ! we could just throw technology out and require every building to require another building(s) and every unit to require a building(s). if we got some custom and vanilla civ unit designs, and named them after MTW units, and name some custom and vanilla civ buildings, we could have a MTW scenario, with cities representing territories (example: a city where switzerland would be on a europe map would be named "switzerland", and represent the entire swiss teritory). of course, this all depends on whether or not firaxis has even THOUGHT about making buildings allow units and other buildings for conquests. knowing firaxis, they probably didn't:(, but who knows, maybe they'll include it in the next expnasion, or perhaps civ4

An interesting idea but I have no experience in making scenarios.

Me and Greeny were talking on MSN and we decided to play an multiplayer game of Viking Invasion. He was on a 56k modem and it worked fine although I kept on losing (see screenshot). Anyway if anyone else wants to join in it could be even more fun.

Oh and incase you are wondering, I lost this battle as well.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Losing.JPG

I'd like to play multiplayer. I've played a few matches so far, and I've lost them all. Of course, they were all 1 on 1's with a really experienced guy.

Okay, well if you get MSN messenger as well and we all swap email addresses, then all we would need to do is arrange a time. The good thing about MTW mp is that it will be possible to play a fair 3 player game by adjusting the amount of florins.

My MSN is Dell19_UG@hotmail.com

My email is Fidgeywilly@hotmail.com

Sorry, I'm not completely familiar with instant messnegers. I have trillian, but it supports msn and aol and icq. I don't know what msn or icq are like because I don't have an account on them.

Email is joshcoppola@adelphia.net

my email is tctarheel@cox.net

BTW, tctarheel was supposed to be my screen name here, but i made a typo when i typed it, lol

Originally posted by tctatheel7
my email is tctarheel@cox.net

BTW, tctarheel was supposed to be my screen name here, but i made a typo when i typed it, lol

lol, that is funny. I guess you learned your lesson.

tctatheel7, I couldn't add you to my MSN list as that address isn't a valid MSN passport :) Everyone else was added successfully.

I'm up for some more Multiplayer Medieval Massacres :D

MSN: tomgreenie@hotmail.com

Since your PM box is full...

Greeny its your turn to play the Viking Invasion succession game.

Back on topic...

Does anyone have a suggestion for what times we could play?

I thought I'd let you guys know about a very impressive mod that is nearing completion. It basically uber-tweaks loads of little things along with many new concepts for the main Europe campaign in VI making the game a lot more realistic and even better.

For example:
NO rebels at the start loads of minor factions instead (not implemented yet)

Vastly improved crusades, making them more historically correct being far less frequent but far more powerful

Unit line-up significantly altered, loads of different units for each faction

"Homeland provinces" system making unit building more realistic

Edit: and lots lots more!

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=5;t=10435

I played one of the MTW versions and it was a significant improvement. Once it is at the final version (should be quite soon) perhaps we could have a succession game using it? Once we have played it a bit to get the hang of all the cool new stuff of course.

Anyway I can't wait for it to reach the final version!

Originally posted by Dell19
Since your PM box is full...

Greeny its your turn to play the Viking Invasion succession game.

Back on topic...

Does anyone have a suggestion for what times we could play?

I'm going to be really busy until next weekend, sorry. If need be, I don't mind sitting out a game.

Okay.

Well that Mod does soud interesting as more minor factions would make games as the Russians etc more interesting and more powerful crusades could be good as well as long as they are not too powerful as the computer tends to save up its crusades and it could mean that once you become quite a powerful non Christian nation, everyone crusades against you and wipes you out.

I think the crusades take 10 years to build and cost a packet so I don't think that would be a huge problem (actualy defending against realy powerful crusades would be rather fun since ATM they often are seriously underpowered by the time they reach where they are going).

The point is though that many times I have had empires controlling the middle east region and then with a border on the North African coast with the Spanish and then another border with the Hungarians. It would then be very easy for me to launch an attack against the Huns and then find that the Spanish had launched a crusade and then have to watch my empire collapse...

Looks like a cool mod. If I download it, will it change all of MTW so that I can't play a regular game? Does this fix the 56 King age glitch? ( I assume no)

Yes it will permenantly change it and no it doesn't fix the 56 years old bug :mad: . It is possible to have 2 versions of MTW on a system at once though (just copy the whole folder and rename it before you install the mod, then install the mod on one of the copies, then run Medieval_TW.exe in the applicable folder to run the modded/unmodded game).

I only have 500-600 megs free on my HD, and I'm not sure I can delete enough stuff to fit another copy, so I'll stay normal VI for now.

I think I will wait for the Mod to be finished before downloading it. I should be able to play tonight between perhaps 7 and 11 GMT possibly later...