2 UUs,comeon it will make the game more fun for everyone.#@!
make recommditions here@

US - F-15, Ranger (replaces paratrooper)
England - Man-O-War, SAS (replaces paratrooper)
Byzantium - Cataphract (replaces knight), Fire Galley (???)
Rome - Legionary (4/2/1), Praetorian Guard (replaces spearman or upgrades from spearman with iron working)
Japan - Samurai (replaces medieval infantry), something like a mounted samurai to replace knight

America: SEAL(Marine) or Minuteman(Rifleman)
England: Redcoat(Rifleman)
Rome: Praetorian Guard(Spearman)
Russia: T-55(Tank)
Germany: U-Boat(Submarine)
Egypt: Archer unit
Byzantium: Should have a cataphract
Japan: Kamikaze(Fighter) or Zero (Fighter)

Japan: Kamikaze(Fighter) or Zero (Fighter)

but werent most kamikazes zeros, id rather have the other japanese UU be something like an Ashigaru spearman or Ninja.

rather then a preatorian guard replacing the spearman, how about Auxilla, who were in heavey use by the empire, as opposed to the preatorian guard, who are well represented by an elite army of four elite legionaries...

Originally posted by SuperBeaverInc.
America: SEAL(Marine) or Minuteman(Rifleman)
England: Redcoat(Rifleman)
Rome: Praetorian Guard(Spearman)
Russia: T-55(Tank)
Germany: U-Boat(Submarine)
Egypt: Archer unit
Byzantium: Should have a cataphract
Japan: Kamikaze(Fighter) or Zero (Fighter)

These sound good to me!

Port: Nau (MOW with more defense), Pike
Spain: Conquistador, Galleon (MOW with more transport capability)

if you made the Nau with more defense than a MOW (i assume you mean man of war) would you take off movement? or maybey attack same with Galleon

or how about Germany having the Zeppelin, and giving everyone else a balloon, or scout balloon.

but they would have to add a new tech like "crude flight"

Ottomans: Sipahi ; Jannisary
Vikings: Beserks ; Longboat

Iroquois: Iroquios musketeer - slightly more expensive (70 shields) but doesn't need saltpeter. +1 movement.

The Iroquios used to trade the Dutch for rifles and powder, eventually becoming better armed than the French were in America.

When possible, I've try to choose unit from different eras. In () are to unit replaced.

America: Ranger (paratrooper)
England: English longbowmen (longbowmen)
Byzantium: Cataphract (knight)
Rome: Auxilla (spearmen)
Japan: Zero (fighter)
China: Crossbowmen (longbowmen)
Germany: Tetonic knight (medieval infantry)
France: La Vielle Garde (riflemen)
Korea: Turtle ship (caravel)
Spain: Improved galleon
Scandinavia: Longboat (galley and caravel)
Russian: T-34 (tank)
Iroquois: Hunter (musketmen)
Mongol: heavy pikemen (pikemen)
Greek: trireme (galley)

the Preatorians are NOT a realistic second unit, at best they could be represented as an all elite civ3 army, but they were hardley around in enough numbers to make them somthing the were not0 a replacement for spearmen, it is by far better to make a Roman spearman replace ment out of the auxilla, the real life roman spear armed troops

edit- and I bet you guys thought I was only about Byzantium... :D

Originally posted by Xen
the Preatorians are NOT a realistic second unit, at best they could be represented as an all elite civ3 army, but they were hardley around in enough numbers to make them somthing the were not0 a replacement for spearmen, it is by far better to make a Roman spearman replace ment out of the auxilla, the real life roman spear armed troops

edit- and I bet you guys thought I was only about Byzantium... :D

Done, happy now? ;)

Btw, I've just tought that the Vielle Garde would be a riflemen with better attack. I think it's to similar to the muskeeter. Any other suggestions?

very :D

I have some other suggestions however...mind you these are suggestions, and not corrections as my statement on the Auxilla vr Praetorians was...

I dont belive the Mongols had a heavey pikman in there armies, at least not of there own origin, they did however imploy native levies from the peoples that allied with them, or another cavarly unit might be even more accurat, as that would represent Mongol tactics of using heavey cav up front, to act as an initial shock force. and then sending the light cavalry ranks through gaps in the formation to attach the opponent while otherwise ingaged....

another greek unit might be the Companinon cavalry, the cavaly units used by Alexander the great, and the base of the successor cavalry units

Originally posted by Xen
very :D

I dont belive the Mongols had a heavey pikman in there armies, at least not of there own origin, they did however imploy native levies from the peoples that allied with them, or another cavarly unit might be even more accurat, as that would represent Mongol tactics of using heavey cav up front, to act as an initial shock force. and then sending the light cavalry ranks through gaps in the formation to attach the opponent while otherwise ingaged....

The Mongols use their rider to lure their ennemies in forests where their pikemen would kill them.

I've read this tactics many times so this is why I've make this suggestion.

shouldnt germany get something like a zeppelin or gestapo?

Originally posted by Mr. Dictator
shouldnt germany get something like a zeppelin or gestapo?

Not a gestapo as is was, IIRC, only a special agent. If the civ of Germany represent the country and the germanic tribes, I think the Teutonic Knight would be a good unit.

I dont think Zepplins were used enough (or even ablke to represented as a civ unit very well) to be warrented as a UU, and as for nazis... I would hope not...

I actually have a modpack slowly in the works (not for C3C - origanally started in vailla Civ3, but never got around to it - needed unit names) for 2 UUs. ;) Of course, if that were for C3C, it'd mean more overtime for the poor artists.

but now we have the promise of an assortment of new units from the conquests, which could trnslate into your being finished as soon as you rename them all...

I just hope i can agree on your choices in the Byzantium-Roman arena ;)

I actually thought about making this recently (My version didn't have completely unique units, some civs shared a UU with another, others shared names).

In addition to unique units, I was also thinking about Unique Wonders (one for each civ)

It would add a lot of flavor to the game, if done correctly.

For Carthage, how about a slight modification, plus a UU.

Change Numidian Mercenaries to Libyan ones. Numidians were famous for Light Cavalry and Light Skirmishing infantry. Libyans were the Heavy Spearmen preferred in the Punic Wars (In case you don't know, the art files say Libyan Mercenary as well). The other UU would be Numidian Cavalry. This light, Javelin-throwing Cavalry was probably the best light cavalry in the western Meditaranian.

Byzantine -Cataphract, obviously

Germany- U-Boat

Greece -Trireme

Viking - Longboat

Iroquois - Either an Archer or a Gunpowder unit. Iroquois boys were trained to use bows and arrows from an early age, but it wasn't until Gunpowder that the Iroquois grew to tremendous strength.

Spain - Tercio. A combination of Pikemen and Gunpowder units was used very effectively by the Spanish (probably a Gunpower replacement with an extra defense)

Persia - Horse Archer. Light Cavalry used effectively by all Middle-Eastern Empires from Assyria onwards (also used by Steppe civs, like the Huns)

Rome - Although the Pretorian Guard has been mentioned several times, the Guard really wasn't practically used. An emperor had to pay the Pretorian Guard, or he would be assasinated. They were nowhere near as important as Legionaries. They wouldn't really fit as Spearmen because they came after the Bronze Age. What about Axillia, making a Swordsman that requires no resources, for those unlucky Romans without iron.

If you can't think of unique units for every civ, I also gave Babylon Horse Archers, and Sumer War Chariots.

Originally posted by Xen

I dont belive the Mongols had a heavey pikman in there armies, at least not of there own origin, they did however imploy native levies from the peoples that allied with them

Which is why I've been promoting Gantaolu Irregulars as the second Mongol UU in all the other threads about additional UUs.

Quoting myself:
Suggestion for 2nd Mongol UU: Gantaolu Irregular. These were unpaid, usually Chinese, troops who fought for the mere chance of acquiring loot. Game-mechanically, a Medieval Infantry replacement, with decreased cost. Could also require no upkeep.

(If this sound too good, consider the Immortal - it's a Medieval Infantry the better part of an age earlier for less cost. The advantage of not requiring upkeep would be more than offset by not coming on-line till the enemy most probably has pikes.)

Decreased cost for the Gantaolu Irregulars + no upkeep would be too much. Just the no upkeep alone is enough to make it both atractive to use and trully unique. Good idea Last Conformist.

@Xen: I like the idea to give Cataphracts an extra hit point. That would make it trully unique. but what about this, Give it an extra hitpoint, and an extra attack point.

that, with a bumped up cost, woul dmake it trully uniques, and very valuble unit- in other words- I love it :D

For the English, they could have the Spitfire as second UU.
It would be historically right, because with their small and fast fighters, they drove the German bombers to madness.
And it would be fun, because then they would have two useless UUs in the game ;-)

for the brits I think Red Coats would be a beter secondary UU...

Cahnge long bowmen to crossbowmen, then give the longbowmen to the English.

Dutch: Swiss merc + eh...... Scottish merc?