Thanks for the world map. Get your paintbrush in paint ready, DZ. Time to start blocking up your production ETAs!

Now, now, don't get all bent out of shape. I didn't do anything. You posted the screenshot showing a settler will be done in five turns in Zoi. :p

You've got to be careful what you show. I almost gave away some secrets earlier! :eek:

So I did...... :wallbash:


Thanks for reminding me that workers are better for the Size 12 Plan. :D

So I did....... :wallbash: :wallbash:

It's all good, though I think all this Wine is beginning to run its course. :D

EDIT: Turn 144 sent!

Celtic archers attack eyrei! :eek: They swarmed out of the southern jungle and attacked across the river. They died valiant deaths... Meanwhile, farther north another Celtic city was captured by the :king: and renamed Justus II.

Troops at the Celtic Front are on R&R, but what's this? Utica now belongs to the Japanese?!? :eek:

It sure does! :D Oh, and thanks for the heads up on the approaching Swordsman........

I too have a score to settle, and since Hannibal stupidly refused to continue a two-for-one lux deal in his favor I needed that Ivory in Utica for my people. ;)

Not much to report. The :king: is quite worried about the impending demise of Carthage and is contemplating sending an emissary to Japan to ask for mercy for Hannibal. A good war is one thing, extermination is another thing entirely. The :king: hereby declares that Brennus will be spared and allowed to rule his lone city.

It is a shame the Cartho-Japanese War began over such trifles as elephant teeth. If the honorable Japanese will be patient perhaps we can soon strike a gems for furs deal. :cool:

The :king: is glad to be of service in calling attention to the Carthaginian swordsmen. The :king: remembers well how Japanese scouts once did the same for Greece.

The plot thickens...............

King donsig,

I would like to thank you for your interest in our recent military activity. I would also like to assure you that our recent conquest of Utica had less to do with the acquisition of Ivory than you may think. We are merely trying to close the book on an regime whose arrogance has troubled the Japanese people for ages.

We also realize that the Carthaginian town of Theveste provides a strategic buffer for both of our nations, and for that reason alone I may consider letting it stand. However, I will need a small concession on your part regarding the Settler currently eyeing the Game tiles on our side of the river.

Hopefully I am overreacting, and your Settler plans to keep moving southwest and beyond Utica. However, if you decide to settle within two tiles of Utica, or attempt to cross the river to settle, you will put me in quite a precarious situation.

To help you decide, I have posted a screenshot of what awaits should you decide to claim these game tiles. ;) I trust that you will make the right decision.

Respectfully,

Lord Donovan Zoi
King of Japan

A Greek embassador delivers the following message to the Honorable Japanese King:

The :king: would like to thank the Honorable Japanese for being upfront with some troop dispositions. Greek scouts have found even more (see below).

The :king: agrees the river is quite a good boundary between Japan and Greece. But he wonders why it is he cannot rebuild the city of disorganizer on the Greek side of the river?!? That city was originally on the other side of the river and it is a great concession on the part of the Greeks to forego the site. (The :king: had made a sacred vow to rebuild all lost cities where they once stood. He will have to undergo much penance to rescind that vow.) The king is willing to do his penance if he can found disorganizer on the Greek side of the river. What does the Great and Honarable Japanese King say to this?

For now the hardy Greek settlers will take to the mountains while negotiations continue. The :king: requests that peace be made between Japan and Carthage before any Greco-Japanese treaty is signed. The :king: also reminds the Japanese leader that Carthaginian rule of Theveste is to be part of any treaty.

The :king: looks forward to the completion of a mutually satisfying treaty in time for the proposed gems for furs deal.

signed
King donsig I

A Japanese ambassador arrives at the Greek capital with a quick response:

King donsig,

I had not considered that you may take the opportunity to rebuild your fallen city of disorganiser. Before I offer a possible solution, I would like to clear the air on a few matters.

1. Japan already has in its possession a source of Gems and plenty of Furs, so I am afraid your proposed trade would not be possible. :( In honor of our friendship, I may be willing to sell Furs to you if the price is right.

2. I will have to see if immediate peace with Carthage is an option. When we last battled with Carthage, the arrogant Hannibal would not give me audience for over 10 turns! :mad:

It is unfortunate that you have this sympathy for Carthage since they had absolutely no problem building a new city on the outskirts of disorganiser's ruins. This act of indifference is the main reason why you cannot properly bring your city back from the ashes.

So, I guess my question is: If you are going to do penance anyway, why settle for a cramped compromise location when I can gift you the city of Theveste once it has fallen under our steel? You can then feel free to rename the city new disorganiser, and have a chance to honor your old friend with a much larger city than his previous tribute would have granted. All I would get in return is the removal of an old nemesis.

Please let me know what you think, and how you would like to pick up some Furs. I will take both contacts from the new world if you end up grabbing Brennus' Lighthouse. ;)

Respectfully,

King Donovan Zoi of Japan

The Greek ambasador returns to Japan:

The :king: thanks the Honorable Japanse King for his swift and very interesting reply. The :king: had no idea his Japanese counterpart was so generous. The :king: has visited both the temple in the Greek capitol and the Oracle at Cyc for guidance. The Oracle said, the answer you seek is in the details.

The :king: has many learned men trying to figure out what the heck that means. :confused:

In the mean time, the king would like to know when Theveste would be turned over to his realm, and what is the price of the Honorable Japanese King's generosity?

Rest assured that Brennus's Lighthouse will soon be known to the world as donsig's lighthouse. Would contacts discovered and passed to Japan pay for Theveste or furs or both (or neither?) bearing in mind that the Celtic Lighthouse may or may not lead to quick discovery or other lands.

Is the Great King of the Japanese willing to hand over Theveste and or furs for future contacts that are not even guaranteed to be swift in coming?

signed
King donsig I

I'd like to tell you all what the plot twist is but a) I don't want to divulge state secrets and b) I'm not entirely sure what happened! :confused:

Perhaps my adversary will be able to shed some light on this with his next post. It would be quite interesting to see a foreign advisor screenshot showing just who is at war with whom. (BTW, I was talking with Hannibal a bit and my foreign advisor reminded my not to trust Carthage because we know they have done our Japanese friends wrong in the past. :lol: )

I can let it be known that the treacherous Koreans have once again swarmed out of the southern jungle to attack Greece! :eek: This unprovoked backstabbing shall forever be a blight on Greco-Korean relations. :(

And to top it all off, the Japanese have taken a two point lead! :cry:

But, what's this? THREE Greek cities in the Top Five!

Shaitan: Where life is worth living! :beer:

Well, folks. I am at a loss as to what the plot twist is, but I guess we'll find out in due time. :confused:

Japanese troops are still regrouping just north of Theveste, although Hannibal will talk now. He is offering a marginal sum for peace, so I may have to tack that amount on to the city trade when it goes down. ;)

Here is the FA screen that donsig requested:

Special Announcement:

With the landmark 6000th view of this thread, the donsig/Donovan Zoi Cage Match has now become the most-viewed PBEM game thread in CFC history! :dance: :groucho:

I would personally like to thank everyone who has stayed with this game over the past year, and hope for your continued visits in the year to come. This game is just getting started!

Onward to 10,000!!

DZ :D

Woot! I know I've contributed a chunk of that 6000!

Well, the twist was this: I had just paid a princely sum to Korea to ally against the Celts. (Since the :king: made his sacred vow he thought perhaps the Koreans would finish off Brennus. :mischief: ) Well, Korea is at war with the Celts and even managed to talk Hannibal into joining the anti-Celt war. But in the same turn Korea attacked Greece! I guess it's a good thing I only paid in gpt. :D

Still in all, the :king: made a vow and has made peace with Brennus. Greece will now turn it's war machine south in an effort to repatriate Eklektikos. The king's ransom that had been intended for the Koreans is now going to Catherine as the Russians joined Greece in an alliance against the dark blue forces.

The city of Padma was founded in the hills (more than two tiles distant from Utica) and the city of Bill_in_PDX was founded on the east coast in an ironic turn of events.

Finally, the city of Chieftess is now part of the Kingdom of Greece. It was once Brennus's capitol:

So much to talk about, but thanks to RL --- no time! :(

I have sent on the save, though. The Japanese government will reopen to the press sometime over the weekend..... ;)

The backstabbibg Koreans advance into the Greek heartland. Greek horsemen clash with Korean archers in the hills south of donsig. There were no survivors in what will certainly turn out to be a relatively minor skirmish! :eek:

The Greek ambassador returns to Japan with a message:

Greetings Honorable King of the Japanese!

The :king: desires to know if we have an agreement in principle concerning the fate of Theveste. He is anxious to have his penance over and done with. If it is unacceptable for Hannibal to continue to rule Theveste the :king: will be happy to accept the city as a gift from Japan. The :king: match whatever Hannibal offers for peace so long as the sum can be made on account. (On account of the :king: handing over so much gold to the Russians for the alliance against the treacherous Koreans.) If gpt is acceptable the :king: also promises to give Japan immediate contact with any new kingdoms discovered by GET (Greek Exploratory Triremes). In order that the Honorable Japanese King will know the Greeks are an honest people, the :king: would give Japan a copy of the current world map each turn once Theveste is part of the Greek kingdom. The :king: will also post maps the whole world to see. Said map sharing to cease once Japan is given two new contacts. The :king: does further request that the Japanese export furs to Greece at a cut rate price.

signed
King donsig I

The Japanese will think over this proposal. In the meantime.......

You son of a gun. How in the heck did you manage to do that? Had a leader up your sleeve? Did you purposefully wait until I was one turn away from completing it or was that mere coincidence?

I do have to admit that I have been following sinc about Sept of 04'. Neat to see two apparently "experienced" Civ players going head to head...and like you guys said it is just starting to heat up as Greece and Japan begin to emerge as the world's two great superpowers...

BK

Finally, the city of Chieftess is now part of the Kingdom of Greece. It was once Brennus's capitol:

Good to know my city's free from barbarian hands. :) Hey, can I see a screenshot of it?

More skirmishing with the Koreans.

Hmmm.... it didn't dawn on me before but those ARE Samurai near the border aren't they? This must be Japan's Golen Age. No wonder the Hanging Gardens are full of Cherry Blossoms and Bonsai Trees.

I thought sure I'd be posting that screen shot this weekend. Well, here's a different one instead (I'll get yours next turn CT):

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8875/lateralus2dh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That smarts, donsig. Nice pun, by the way. ;)

So much to discuss......guess I will lead with the fate of Theveste.

King donsig,

It is my pleasure to announce that the city of Theveste will fall next turn, and the Carthaginian menace will cease to exist. However, I have been taking a public beating for my premature decree regarding the fate of this crucial city, so I unfortunately must rethink the terms.

It must be said that I floated the initial offer to determine your true level of concern for the Carthaginian heritage. Your quick acceptance of my offer confirmed my suspicions: that your heartfelt request was bourne more of personal strategy rather than of genuine empathy for Hannibal's dying empire. My hunch was validated further when you admitted to siccing the Koreans on Brennus' final city. ;) That said, while I cannot fault your attempt to secure this region for the Greeks, I am afraid I will need a bit more before I can grant Greek ownership of Theveste.

The way I see it, whoever owns Theveste gains an backup source of Iron, and I have learned that it would be foolish for the Japanese people to relinquish this benefit so freely. And since it has been determined that the fate of the Carthaginian people is not the real issue for either of us, there are two ways to resolve this:

1. Theveste stays with the Japanese; disorganiser built in its original location - The removal of Carthaginian culture would allow you to do this, and so will I. You will be a true hero to your people, but at the possible expense of your national security. However, disorganiser's location would allow you to monitor most Japanese comings and goings if that truly concerns you. ;)

2. Theveste for Strider straight up - Believe it or not, I have my own concerns about your placement of Strider so close to my capital. A simple trade of territory will strengthen both of our positions, both militarily and commercially.

Please let me know what you think of these plans. Taken at their best, these options could postpone the impending rivalry of our two nations. At their worst, they could help to kickstart the Cage Match that many of our readers have been dying to see. Believe it or not, I am hoping for the former. ;)

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
King of Japan

You son of a gun. How in the heck did you manage to do that? Had a leader up your sleeve? Did you purposefully wait until I was one turn away from completing it or was that mere coincidence?

Hmmm.... it didn't dawn on me before but those ARE Samurai near the border aren't they? This must be Japan's Golden Age. No wonder the Hanging Gardens are full of Cherry Blossoms and Bonsai Trees.

I thought sure I'd be posting that screen shot this weekend......

Please accept my apologies for not disclosing my Golden Age, but I guess now you can see why. I honestly didn't think your fledgling kingdom would be that close to completing it so you can chalk it up to coincidence. Looks like you may get unlimited Barracks though, so all is not lost. :)

2. Theveste for Strider straight up - Believe it or not, I have my own concerns about your placement of Strider so close to my capital. (..) errr... Why not ask Strider who he wants to play with ???? :crazyeye:

errr... Why not ask Strider who he wants to play with ???? :crazyeye:

Rik, if Strider were given a choice between myself and donsig, he would certainly elect for Option #3: Autoraze. [pissed] :lol:

Rik, if Strider were given a choice between myself and donsig, he would certainly elect for Option #3: Autoraze. [pissed] :lol:As if you would mind that the city of Strider was autorazed ... :rolleyes:

A wee-bit of dislike going on here, gentlemen? ;)

The Greek ambassador returns to Japan...

Greetings to Donovan Zoi, King of Japan!

The Kingdom of Greece bids you well and the :king: assures you that your last message was well recieved.

The :king: is indeed empathetic towards his brother monarchs. However, he is still a :king: and when he is offered a city he is not one to look a gift horse in the mouth. :D It follows logically that if Hannibal is to go then Brennus might as well go as well...

The :king: has mulled over the two options presented and wishes to point out a third option, one the :king: hopes can be used until negotiations can be completed. This option is to allow Hannibal to continue to rule in Theveste.

The :king: is not prepared to trade Strider for Theveste. While it is a tempting offer the :king: cannot in good conscience hand over a city founded by his ancestors. Of the two options presented he prefers to rebuild disorganizer in its original location, especially since this avoids any penance! Unfortunately, the Korean War may prevent the raising of settlers suitable to rebuild disorganizer in a timely manner. Because of this, the :king: wishes to know if the assault on Theveste can be postponed a bit?

The :king: would also like to begin bargaining for Japanese furs...

signed
donsig
King of the Greeks

The :king: has mulled over the two options presented and wishes to point out a third option, one the :king: hopes can be used until negotiations can be completed. This option is to allow Hannibal to continue to rule in Theveste.........

......Unfortunately, the Korean War may prevent the raising of settlers suitable to rebuild disorganizer in a timely manner. Because of this, the :king: wishes to know if the assault on Theveste can be postponed a bit?

The :king: would also like to begin bargaining for Japanese furs...

signed
donsig
King of the Greeks

Sadly, King donsig, I received your missive just a tad bit late....... :( ;)

So, where do we go from here? I believe that due to the confusion over the last few turns, the Greeks are entitled to a decent rate for our Furs. I am not sure if future contacts can remain on the bargaining table, but am hoping to keep these talks in play.

Let me know what you think..........

So, where do we go from here? I believe that due to the confusion over the last few turns, the Greeks are entitled to a decent rate for our Furs. I am not sure if future contacts can remain on the bargaining table, but am hoping to keep these talks in play.

Let me know what you think..........

Hmmm... well, it looks as though we go with Plan B: Japan keeps Theveste, Greece keeps Strider and rebuilds disorganizer in its original location.

We'll have to talk about the furs / contacts. The :king: is eyeing some nice Korean furs. ;)

I've lost track of what's going on. (Started a part time job last Monday. I hate it when RL interferes with Civ!) Is it my turn or your turn DZ?

It's my turn, donsig. :) RL has been pretty demanding of me too the last few days, so I'll get you the save sometime tonite.

Can the viewers get a new screenshot of the action? :D

Octavian,

The thriving Japanese Republic would be delighted to share its maps of Greece, and hopes that King donsig will do the same for us. :)

First of all, here is the Greek capital of Donsig and outlying area (420 AD). The rubble is from destroyed city Bill_in_PDX, which was presumably razed by the Koreans:

And here is the Western side of Greece. I put my city on Wealth to shield my true intentions there. :mischief: :D

And there is one more city to the west. At Chieftess' request here is the city that bears her name! :D

NOTE: It should be stated that this city contains one of the Great Wonders of the Ancient Age: the Giant Spotlight! :lol: At least I think that's what it's called...... Chieftess' lack of proximity to the Japanese mainland shows that donsig must be an avid reader of the DemoGame Forums! :goodjob:

In addition to the Big Spotlight there are gems in the desert!

Yes, that rubble was Bill_in_PDX. :twitch: The Koreans shall pay for their treachery and (of course) Bill_in_PDX shall be rebuilt!

Here's a zoomed out view of Japan:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6941/japan8bj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

disorganizer has been rebuilt. Now the :king: merely has to rebuild Bill_in_PDX and recapture Eklektikos...

And I thought I would have had spices in my city...

And I thought I would have had spices in my city...

The spices are all deep inside Korea. I thought a couple big shiny stones would be a nice substitute for the lady. ;)

Pusan captured and renamed DaveShack.

Fur trading talks between the :king: and the King of Japan have mysteriously ended. The Greek ambassador is unable to locate the Japanese monarch. The ambassador thinks this has something to do with a republic, whatever that is. :confused:

Pusan captured and renamed DaveShack.

Fur trading talks between the :king: and the King of Japan have mysteriously ended. The Greek ambassador is unable to locate the Japanese monarch. The ambassador thinks this has something to do with a republic, whatever that is. :confused:

You shouldn't be too surprised, donsig. I had snuck in an announcement back in Post #287. ;)

The Republic came about after some former Carthaginian cities declared their independence from an oppressive monarch that had the audacity to snuff out their remaining heritage. Not to be outdone, Old King Donovan quickly realized the merits of this new extended government structure and worked out a deal with his political foes to maintain the unification of Japan.

Under this deal, the new province would granted some autonomy and still having protection of the Japanese guard(instead of being leveled anew ;) ), while King Donovan would be allowed to run for the Presidency of this new Republic. Since the entire populace was all hopped up on Golden Age, the former King was elected in a landslide and even carried the defector vote! :eek:

A bloodless revolution for the honorable and religious people of Japan! But alas, the sun will soon set on our Golden Age......will the celebration last?

So you see, King donsig, the Japanese President is still quite interested in trading Furs. However, I think the real reason the Greeks are postponing this trade is because they are close to reclaiming their beloved city of Eklektikos, which comes with its own source of Furs. ;)

On the topic of your recent conquests in Korea, our President is watching the Greco-Korean War with much interest. It is very important to the Japanese people that the balance of power does not shift too abruptly on this continent. Therefore, should the honorable King decide to march his troops onward through Eklektikos into the heart of Korea, he should realize that Japan may be forced to act in the best interests of continental harmony.

Hopefully the King of Greece agrees, and the war will end once Eklektikos has been liberated. We shall be in touch. ;)

...with a note from the :king: :

Mr. President,

The :king: suggests you reconsider this :crazyeye: republic thing for it has made you forget how to properly address a monarch. The :king: sees in your recent note a veiled threat that he hopes is not really there. The :king: keeps an open mind in this matter and would like to hear more about the President's ideas concerning continental balance of power. The :king: certainly hopes this idea does not include Greece's consent to remain the number two power on the continent while Japan is number one. If the President truly desires a balance of power then Greece is entitled to as much land and as many cities as Japan holds. With that in mind the :king: expresses his desire to continue the war against the backstabbing Koreans until such time as parity exists between Greece and Japan. The :king: does have an open mind and is willing to end the Korean War after Eklektikos is repatriated if Japan is willing to hand over Theveste as they once were willing to do. The :king: is also willing to hear other ideas to maintain the long and harmonious relationship that has existed between Greece and Honorable Japan.

signed
king donsig I

After much thought, the Japanese President responds:

King donsig,

I am sorry that you feel you have been mistreated. Perhaps I forgot to kiss your ring on my last visit? ;)

In all seriousness, I believe it would be quite foolish for me to state that we would gladly relinquish our current status as most powerful nation. For this reason, you can hopefully understand why the Japanese cannot sit idly by while you absorb the sovereign land of one of our trade partners.

Also, if you do the math for the latest save, you will see that Japan currently has 17 cities while Greece has 14. Once you retake Eklektikos and rebuild Bill_in_PDX, you will have 16. You will also have room to build a 17th city north of PDX which would bring your nation the parity it desires. After that, you would still retain the right to claim any other land that lies between the borders of Korea and Japan, including the cities of Richborough and Sevastopol if you so desire.

Based on these facts alone, I believe that Japanese Republic is acting quite fairly in our request. And we will even go one step further. You may take one more city besides Eklektikos, preferably the city shown in the picture below.

Please let me know your thoughts. I will add more later.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Japan

The :king: does have an open mind and is willing to end the Korean War after Eklektikos is repatriated if Japan is willing to hand over Theveste as they once were willing to do.

Unfortunately, there will be no more negotiations regarding the city of Theveste. As you can see below, a nice arrangement has been brokered in that any Japanese troops entering Theveste will need Greek permission to do so via a checkpoint in disorganiser.

Southern Part of Continent - 480 AD:

Dear Mr. President,

The :king: wonders why you are so concerned about trading with the backstabbing Koreans. Does it really matter who you trade with so long as you get a good deal?

The :king: thanks the President for pointing out the number of cities currently in Japan and Greece, though the :king: is well aware of these statistics and reminds the Honorable President that the Greeks mastered mathematics long ago. The :king: met with his Science Advisor and has learned a few things he'd like to share. There does not seem to be much point in discussing how many additional cities can be built within Greece's current borders for there is also room to build more cities in Japan. For that matter, talking of the number of cities in each country is pointless as well. Northern Greece is hilly and mountainous. Cities built there are limited in size. The :king: does not mind so much being the number two power on the continent so long as the *power gap* is not too great.

The :king: has commanded that a census of his kingdom be taken for the purposes of measuring the so-called *power* of his kingdom. If the Republic of Japan keeps similar statistics we can then measure the *power gap* and negotiate treaties with it in mind. The :king: suggests we start with population as a rough measurement of our countries' respective power.

As always the :king: has an open mind and is willing to hear the President's ideas on how to measure power.

signed
King donsig I

Results of the :king: 's census:

The population of Greece is 2,328,000 citizens within 22,200 square miles.

The backstabbing Koreans have landed near Strider! :eek:

The Japanese Census has confirmed that our population is over 7 million strong. Our land area is 28,200 square miles.

Based on your previous statements, am I to assume that in order to make up this difference that the :king: now feels within his rights to conquer both Korea and Russia unchecked? :eek: :groucho:

Unfortunately, Japan cannot allow this, so there must be some other way. Do you have any other ideas?

In my humble opinion, he should be able to at least reach an equal level of land... Perhaps you guys should also compare manufacturing strength as well as economy. Those stats are also very important and land/pop influenced as well...

BK...one of many lurkers

The Greek ambassador returns to Japan with a note from the :king: :

7 millions! The :king: suggests the President find something else for his people to do besides making babies! :lol: No, the :king: does not claim the right to conquer all of Korea of Russia for a couple reasons. First and foremost, Catherine has been a great and true ally in the recent war. Her lands are her lands and so long as she remains true the :king: will defend her lands as well as his, even if she is a republican. As for the Koreans the :king: has no desire to eliminate their country. This is not in the :king: 's nature. Is not Brennus still alive and ruling the Celts?

The :king: thinks that land area parity is a good place to start when considering the continental balance of power. Though he points out that Greece may need slightly more land in order to support a population comparable to that of Japan since the northern Greek hills and the western desert are not great food producing areas.

The :king: has also caused a census of Greece's manufacturing capabilities and economy. Greece's current GNP is 161 millions and our manufacturing goods total 77 megatons.

signed
King donsig I

And now for something completely different:

The seige of Strider continues. Hoplites pulled from Greco-Japanese border to help defend the city. A battle rages in the woods between DaveShack and Ulsan.

Strider saved!

The elite Korean midieval infantry menacing Strider has been defeated! :bounce:

More backstabbing Koreans advance on DaveShack! :eek: The Greco-Russian Alliance ends on friendly terms. The :king: orders his troops towards Eklektikos in hopes of ending the war soon. In the meantime...

Now there's a Wonder that can help you with those pesky Koreans. :D

After some research, Japan releases some more census info:

GNP - 492 million
Production - 171 megatons

Umm...Greece has the right to expand...

Umm...Greece has the right to expand...

Perhaps *Greece has the need to expand* is more appropriate? :confused:

More fighting in the forests between DaveShack and Ulsan. When will it all end?

It's about time! This is probably not the best time to mention this, but I was very surprised by the most recent comment from my Foreign Advisor:

The Korean War drags on. Blue longbowmen advance on DaveShack.

Tension builds in the jungle between Greece and the land of the Celts...

A Greek galley explores the seas around the islands of Japan.

The :king: works on a plan to encourage more Greek babies as Greece falls to third place in world population.

The city of Falcon II was founded in the jungle on the west coast. Brennus claims it was his jungle and declared war on the Kingdom of Greece!

A major Greek offensive near Eklektikos is imminent.

Meanwhile, the Japanese continue to surge ahead in points...

Updates!

Must ... Have ... Updates!

-- Ravensfire

ps - DZ - clear out yer PM's!

The Eternal War drags on with skirmishing near DaveShack. Eklektikos remains in the hands of the backstabbing Koreans.

Meanwhile Japan holds the number 3, 4 and 5 top cities - all size twelve!

More skirmishing between Civanator and DaveShack.

Greeks and Celts sign peace treaty...

Sorry for the lack of updates or screenshots lately.

The city of Rik Meleet is founded by the Greeks. :)

Eklektikos remains in the hands of the backstabbing Koreans.
How very unfortunate. :(

(..)The city of Rik Meleet is founded by the Greeks. :)How very fortunate. :)

How very fortunate. :)

The backstabbing Koreans just landed next to Rik Meleet and there's not a hoplite in sight. :( Looks like the :king: will have another vow to fulfill as Rik Meleet joins the ranks of disorganizer, Civanator and Bill_in_PDX...

The known world, c. 700 AD. Greece first:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6022/700adgr1fr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Japan, c. 700 AD:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6166/700adjp6nl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The southern peninsula, home of the backstabbing Koreans and the Russians:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8373/700adkr1du.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The backstabbing Koreans are now officially the evil backstabbing Koreans. So says the :king:

It appears some oof the happy campers in northern Japan got a little carried away with their camp fires. ;)

The Eternal War drags on. Greeks forces destroyed two pikeman and a spearman in Eklektikos in 750 AD. At least one spearman remained in the garrison. :( By 760 AD the pikemen returned to Eklektikos. The evil backstabbing Koreans have mounted their warriors on horses now. They attack after sunset and have been dubbed 'nights' by the :king:

The president of Japan has offered to teach the Greeks something called chivalry but the :king: has little treasure left. The :king: wonders if the Japanese will accept gunpowder as payment instead of gold...

The population of Greece now exceeds 3 millions. Still a long way from Japan's 7 millions...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=83245

Woooooooooott ???

The bulk of the Greek forces have returned to DaveShack for some much needed R&R after heavy fighting outside Eklektikos.

The Japanese will not accept gunpowder for chivalry since they already have it. :eek:

Yes, it is true that we do already possess Gunpowder. However, after much thought, I have decided to gift Chivalry to the Greek people.......to preserve continental balance, of course. ;) We will send it next turn.

Oh, and no need to hide the goings-on in Cyc. I am well aware of what's being built there. Probably a good idea to hide the turns remaining though.... :D Don't worry.....I didn't see anything.

The :king: is happy. The population of Greece has topped 4 millions. Rik Meleet has been rebuilt. Eklektikos has been liberated! :goodjob: But the city is now full of Koreans! :rolleyes:

The :king: thanks the President of Japan for the metal suits and pointy sticks...

The :king: is happy. The population of Greece has topped 4 millions. Rik Meleet has been rebuilt. Eklektikos has been liberated! :goodjob: But the city is now full of Koreans! :rolleyes:
Starve the buggers. I'm sure I could do with losing a bit more weight anyway.

(..) Rik Meleet has been rebuilt. (..) :goodjob:

And try to keep it this time, please ....

The Greek ambassador reaches Zoi bearing a note from you know who:

Greetings Mr. President,

The :king: grows tired of the Eternal War and will end it soon. The :king: wishes to know your current thoughts on Continental Balance. The :king: will most likely take two more cities from the backstabbing Koreans. The :king: has no desire to annex Russian or Celtic cities. The :king: wishes to avoid an inter-continental incident.

Hope to hear from you soon,
donsig I
King of the Greeks

The Eternal War drags on. It is rumored the Russians and evil backstabbing Koreans now have gunpowder. What is this world coming too?

The :king: is still waiting for his ship to come in...

The Eternal War ends!

Hyansan occupied and renamed CivGeneral. Pyongsong annexed as part of the peace treaty and renamed Stuck_as_a_Mac!

The population of Greece now tops four and a half millions. :clap:

Here's a map of The Kingdom of Greece's new southern boundaries:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5387/warsend3jc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I've been annexed? I didnt even know I was under enemy occupation...

And I do hope you have plans to "unite" me with the rest of the empire.

Time marches on now that the Eternal War is over.

The :king: 's map traders have made a new discovery:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9783/newland2op.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Babylonians destroy French civilization!

Population of Greece nears five millions... are we close to acheiving Continental Balance? :confused: The President of Japan has been silent as of late. Japan closes in on a score of 1000 while Greece barely gets past 800. :eek:

After 160 years of silence, a reclusive President addresses his neighbors to the south.

King donsig,

I would like to congratulate your great nation for its triumph over adversity during the last several years. Even with a war on two fronts, you have managed to construct Leonardo's Workshop. You will also be setting your sights on the stars within a turn or two via Copernicus' Observatory(why, I oughtta.... :gripe: ). Now I can see why it took you so long to liberate Eklektikos. ;)

As far as continental balance is concerned, I think we are there at this point. While I still have over double your population, you still have opportunities for growth while I have minimal options left. Hopefully, we will have harmonius relations on this continent for years to come.

As far as that other continent is concerned, did you get a general message or did you witness this firsthand? If the latter, do you have a contact you wish to sell me? It is unfortunate that the nation of Babylon is not followed the code of continental balance, and I wouldn't mind having a word or two with their ruthless leader. What's his name again?

Hope all is well with your kingdom. I will try to stay in touch a bit more, now that you are not so distracted by your war(s).

Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
President of Japan

The Greek ambassador reaches Zoi once more...

The :king: is happy to hear from the President. The :king: is also happy to have Leonardo's Workshop in Cyc and Copernicus' Observatory in eyrei. :)

The :king: sadly reports that Greek travelers witnessed the demise of the French. Yes, we have a contact to sell. New maps as well. :D What can the President offer?

Regarding Continental Balance, the growth of many of our cities is limited due to our inability to farm the hilly north country. The :king: desires to build a new city to the northwest of his capital. On the Greek side of the river, or course. The :king: has decided to name this city Donovan Zoi. But the :king: recalls some past dispute about building Greek cities near Theveste. The :king: can't imagine why building a Greek city inside Greek territory would be offensive to anyone. What does the President have to say about this?

signed
donsig I
King of the Greeks

King donsig,

I would be interested in trading for the map only, as I would not need the contact after that. My messenger has a sack of 150 gold that is yours once you hand him the map of Babylonian lands. :)

Regarding your honorable gesture to name one of your cities on my behalf: while I appreciate the gesture, I must tell you that a city in your proposed location would take away a valuable gaming resource from Theveste --- lands that Japan has held for hundreds of years. Citizens would be forced to move to avoid starvation. Of course, I have no right to dictate how to settle your lands but thought you should know my stance on the matter. Is there another option? The President eagerly awaits your reply.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Japan

Whose turn is it anyway? If we're down to one turn a week I think we're both working too hard DZ!

Are you guys still playing?

I think that DZ is very busy working, so I think this game is on a break for the moment.

/me runs over and kicks DZ

/me throws bucket of water on donsig

Ya'll still breathing?

-- Ravensfire

Wow, I haven't seen this thread pop up on my subscribed list for awhile! Thanks, RF.

I think there were a few failed attempts on my part, and then donsig gave up on me. Not that I blame him. :)

Let's see if he posts and maybe we can get this thing rolling again.

What do you mean I gave up on you? I've been waiting for the save. And waiting and waiting. :)

I don't subscribe to the thread so I didn't see this till I wandered in to throw down the gauntlet and say

Play your turn or throw in the towel!

signed
donsig :king: of the Greeks

Throw in the towel? :confused:

Never! :ninja: :hammer: :ar15:

Look for a save from me sometime this week. :)

About freakin' time! ;)

hmmmmmm stagnated ?

We're all waiting you know!

Throw in the towel? :confused:

Never! :ninja: :hammer: :ar15:

Look for a save from me sometime this week. :)

Your week is up DZ. Care to appoint someone to take over this game for you?

This is nearly three years :eek: Is it worth it ?

Of course it is. I immensly enjoyed reading about this game. Now, if DZ would only get his butt here...

Your self imposed deadline has passed DZ. Time to give it up or designate a replacement.

Wheres the shock paddles?

I am not giving up this game. I also have no intention of passing this game off to someone else. donsig can check his email after 10pm CST tonight.

Hope it's worth the loooong wait, everyone. Thanks for your patience.

Don't forget to add me to the name of cities-to-be-renamed! ;) Glad to see the ball rolling again. I remember when I lurked this game back in the beginning...

We're baaaaackkkkkk!!!!!!!! :D

It was good seeing Greece once more. It is now 1000 AD and here's Japan as we Greeks see it:

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/670/cage6jap1hd.jpg

And the top five cities as we welcome the new millenium:

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/9025/cage6f118si.jpg

@Ginger Ale: You are now at the top of the city naming queue. Thanks for lurking. ;)

Edit: Wow, I think I'm finally getting the hang of posting images again. Now if I could only figure out how to post links again!

How'd you manage to get alternating colors on the top 5 cities list? :D

Heh... magic. ;)

Excellent! I was beginning to think that DZ had thrown in the towel - glad to see that's not the case :goodjob:

Glad to see this going again after 5 months of waiting/lurking! Good luck to both of you! :)

Glad to see the ball is rolling again. Are we waiting for the last day of November for the next official post? :p

Thank you donsig for showing me that Cyc is still alive and well. Play on!

Glad to see the ball is rolling again. Are we waiting for the last day of November for the next official post? :p

Thank you donsig for showing me that Cyc is still alive and well. Play on!

Actually we are waiting for the day that RL doesn't make a liar of me....again. I have the best intentions with this game, but have got to tend to work first. :(

That said, by "Monday" in my signature, I was referring to this coming Monday. Yeah, that's the ticket........ :mischief:

Talk soon! :D

Actually we are waiting for the day that RL doesn't make a liar of me....again. I have the best intentions with this game, but have got to tend to work first. :(

That said, by "Monday" in my signature, I was referring to this coming Monday. Yeah, that's the ticket........ :mischief:

Talk soon! :D
:crazyeye: I've been working 100 - 120 hour pay periods myself DZ. Don't let the fact that I'm posting this on Monday afternoon bother you. :lol:

I can wait.

Cyc

DZ's Turn in the Cage Match Will Be Played Monday Afternoon!
Which Monday are we talking about? ;)

Which Monday are we talking about? ;)

I've been wondering the same thing? :confused:

Is it Monday yet? [yawn]

Who should we deckare the winner since DZ has given up?

Shall we have a tribal vote among us loyal followers? ;)

Why not? It seems to be the best way to settle this dispute.

Just vote him off the isalnd and pick a replacement for him. I'm ready to continue!

today his sig was changed to "Relax, everyone....The Cage Match Will Be Played Again Soon!"

today his sig was changed to "Relax, everyone....The Cage Match Will Be Played Again Soon!"
Well hee must define soon, because his defintion of "monday' was way off.

Well hee must define soon, because his defintion of "monday' was way off.

Great Line. Classical, even!

:rotfl:

<tap> <tap> <tap>
Is this thing on?

Hey - anyone see Donovan Zoi? I heard he was s'posed to be here?

<shambles off>

-- Ravensfire

How long can one turn take?!

(Apparently very long...)

Well, DZ, shall we call it a draw since you will neither admit defeat nor play a turn?

Christ-on-a-stick, is this still going? :lol:

For a given value of "going", of course. ;)

Since this one seems to have stalled a bit, here's a new one you can all watch:

DemoGame Cage Match II: A Conquests PBEM featuring DaveShack vs. donsig vs. Nobody vs. Strider (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=163309)

Donovan Zoi still hasnt played his turn! :eek:

This would be almost a year by now. :wow: This game is dead.

I predict that this'll get bumped every month or so. ;)

Why do you think that ?

Ready to give up yet DZ?

Wow, eleven months since the post before donsig's.

Has it really been that long?! :eek:

Is this still dragging on? :dubious:

It's your turn Donovan Zoi. Play or surrender!

Under the cloak of night, the Japanese army awakened from its long slumber...

Dedicated fans of the Cage Match,

Please feel free to refamiliarize yourself with the game as it enters its next chapter. I'll be posting an official statement sometime this weekend. I have PMed the :king: and hope to get things rolling again once we trade email addresses again.

Regards,
Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatica

*blink*

GAH! The world is coming to an end!

-- RF

The day started like many an autumn day before it. The people of Strider were out preparing for the winter; raking leaves and closing out the final harvest. In the distance was the fabled city of the hills, barely visible on the horizon.

The Japanese capital of Zoi was a sight to behold, even from so far away, and it was not uncommon for even the most hard-working Greeks to take pause from their work to gaze in wonder about the goings-on in a land so different from theirs yet so close to their own.

The ever-presence of this city brought comfort to some, yet others seemed to hold an unspoken fear about the Japanese and their intentions. And that is where the day turned very different, as those fears were about to be realized. For this was the first time that the Greek citizens witnessed Samurai armies pouring out of those fabled hills and toward their general direction.

Many took to shelter once disbelief gave way to an all-too-spoken fear. The brave few that dared to watch the entire encrouchment were ultimately rewarded with the following message from the leader of the Samurai guard:


Good people of Strider! Please do not be alarmed. We have come to welcome you to the Japanese empire! May we have audience with your King?

Wow, I think someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Well, you are most certainly welcome Mr. President. My but it has been a while hasn't it? Let me look at you. Umm, well, you'll have to ask some of those sword toting guys to stand a side so I can see you. Ahh, I see you're fully clothed again. That's good.

Well, to what do I owe the honor of your visit? Shall we have a parade?

(save sent)

Well, to what do I owe the honor of your visit? Shall we have a parade?


A parade sounds like a splendid idea! In all honesty, my Samurai are in the twilight of their service and have not seen much battle to showcase their disciplined training and I feel that a parade route to your capital could be just the thing to lift their spirits!

While we embark on this journey of goodwill, we may be able to teach your men the way of the Samurai so they are better prepared for any future surprises. As you have seen in the past, you never know what could happen at a moments notice.

I have word that your military men in Shaitan are very concerned about the impending arrival of our party (I saw your Musketman fidgeting quite a bit while I was trying to lead my men through the alternate parade route through the fields of Strider). I can also assure you that once my men have been bested by the planned route that awaits us in Shaitan that they will be in no shape to do any harm to your esteemed capital.

Kind regards,

Donovan Zoi
President of Japan

Dear Mr. President,

Could I interest you in an alternative parade route that doesn't come quite so close to my government center? There are some nice spices down in Korea, why not forgo the parade and let your samurai see some real action down south?

Regards,
The :king:

(save sent)

King donsig,

Your quick deployment of your Maceman army shows that the code of the Samurai is actually thriving on the streets of Greece! It also appears that you are not interested in enduring our festivites any longer, so I guess we'll make our way back home. Please take heart that we will be just across the border if you need us.

Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
aka The Prez

Prez:

Thanks for the parade. The marching soldiers, the bands, and the fanfare were all a nice diversion from our studies. It's back to the books now for us.

BTW, we note you still do not have spices. Why don't you build some boats and send your Samurai to Korea? We might be persuaded to launch a coordinated attack allowing us both to make relatively easy gains.

:king: donsig

I'd have to think about that one, King. You'd definitely end up with more usable cities than me. Also, I have been considering getting the Spices in trade.

In other news, Japan's Samurai Guard ceremoniously escorted out of Greece. I'm goin', I'm goin'....

Trade for spices? These republican ideas of yours! :crazyeye:

:king: donsig

(save sent)