This is the tale of two CivFanatics. Both of them have a long history in CFC's Democracy Game. Both are long on opinions and short on patience. And yet, neither one of them seems to agree with the other when it comes to forwarding the game.

Ladies and gentlemen.....it had to come to this. ;)

In this corner...... is the favorite. A pillar of the CFC community, donsig is a veteran of both the GOTM(Civ2 & Civ3) and the Democracy Game. In the latter, he stands as a controversial figure whose frankness seems to have earned him the begrudging respect of the populace. donsig is also known for his uncanny ability to fit insightful 1000-word dissertations of policy into one paragraph. ;)

And in this....other....corner is the relative newcomer, and challenger. Donovan Zoi has hardly ever set foot outside of the comforts of the Democracy Game, and as such was rewarded the opportunity to moderate that Forum. :mischief: And while he can talk a good game on Civ3 strategy, not much is known of his playing ability. Zoi has never played a Civ3 GOTM, nor participated in a PBEM game.


Now starts the warm-up.

The two contenders would like input on which type of game should be played. What size map? How many AI? Any victory condition? Please post what you would like to see between these two fierce rivals. You will get statements from both of them shortly.

Now, go grab some refreshments and get ready to RUMBLE. It's on!

I think it would be interesting if a cultural or a domination victory were the only possible victory outcomes for this game. :mischief:

We need input on which countries we should play as well!

Cultural or domination only? Let me see, which one would I pick...? ;)

donsig - you are the master Orator - using words and logic to sway people.

There is only one country for you - the masters of philosophy and logic, the Greeks!

DZ - you are more direct in your approach, but only once you have decided on you path. Until then, you are quiet, allowing others to bring forth ideas. Once you have started down the path, you are resolute! For you, the mightly Samurai of Japan!

-- Ravensfire

What a surprise. :D

Go, donsig! :thumbsup:

And good luck too, Donovan. :)

Ah, come on. I've been playing the democracy game longer than DZ. Hell, I beat him in a DG2 Presidential Election.

And donsig? I've beaten him out of the Vice Presidency and the top Judicial spot.

I don't get an invite to play? :p

Never mind. This'll be interesting to watch from the sidelines. :D

No Spaceship or Diplomatic Victory. No respawn, no double production. Eight civs including the humans. Humans choose their favorites to play, all other tribes are random. Large Continent, 5000 years. :) Good luck to both of you Gorinians!

Cyc! Pleasure seeing you here in the spectators box. I agree with Raven on his choice of civ for Donsig and DZ. This seems like its gonna be an interesting match. Diplo and Space should be off. I feel like watching some blood squirt.

Keep all the victory options on. We should let these two hurt the other in the most painful ways possible. :)

Good luck to both of you! :goodjob:

I agree, all victory options on.

So, which patch will we be using?

Wow, the seats are starting to fill up! A veritable Who's Who of the Democracy Game has turned out for this event. Even "Mayor" Cyc has come back to see what all the fuss is about! Welcome to all!

And there's XIII, no doubt stopping by to lend support to a fellow.....hey, wait a minute. :hmm: :D

The game will start shortly. So far Cyc has come the closest to the type of game I would like to play, but I am still open to suggestions. I am also curious which conditions my opponent would find suitable.

@donsig - I currently have 1.21. If this is not compatible with your patch, should we both upgrade to 1.27? Let me know what you have, and we'll figure it out from there.

Everyone, please continue to offer ideas and stay tuned......

About patches, 1.27 and 1.21 are compatible in PBEM's.
Are you going on a random map or is someone creating a map for you?

Good question, puwen. :)

I had figured we would just use a random map, but would be interested to have map creation discussed further if donsig is game.

However, I think random may be best because then no one but the software decides whether we face off early or later in the game.

I'm still using v1.21 in the Dual Alliance game. If XII upgrades (or we finish that one off before this one starts) then I wouldn't mind upgrading to v1.27.

Since this is a match to pit our respective playing styles against one another perhaps it would be best to have all victory conditions on. I don't mind a random map but that always has pitfalls since one of us may get a better starting position that the other. A map made by a neutral party could ensure we get an equal start.

When we come right down to it I'm pretty much game for anything though. :)

If XII upgrades (or we finish that one off before this one starts) then I wouldn't mind upgrading to v1.27.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't spell XIII's name right all the time. :p

Also, I could volunteer to create a more 'interesting' map than what the random map generator could throw out. :D :mwaha:

Originally posted by donsig
I'm still using v1.21 in the Dual Alliance game. If XII upgrades (or we finish that one off before this one starts) then I wouldn't mind upgrading to v1.27.I've already patched to 1.27 the weekend it came out... :p

I told you, but you never listened... :nono: :)

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
And there's XIII, no doubt stopping by to lend support to a fellow.....hey, wait a minute. :hmm: :D Sorry, pal. Much as I like you, but don and I went back a long long long ways... :p :)

next we should have an all moderator pbem death match ;). cracker vs moonsinger vs xiii vs bamspeedy vs padma vs chieftess.

I'm just watching because I moderate these forums. ;)

@Chieftess - Grab a seat. Things are going to start getting interesting soon. :)

@Octavian - I am somewhat leaning toward a random map, and would like donsig's opinion. I honestly don't care if I get a bad starting location, because good locations are usually just around the corner. ;) But if we do go the creation route, I don't want anything toooo interesting. Plus I don't want any modded food surplusses and things like that. donsig and I want to test our skills against each other, not the map. :)

@donsig - I am up for all victory conditions on as well. Plus I think I kinda like the opportunity to play as Japan. Will you take Ravensfire's suggestion as well(the Greeks), or do you have another civ in mind?

The speaker screams through the arena on the top of his voice' the crowd are breaking the building down only by their voices.

"Will it be a victory of Domination and if yes; to who?. Will the fighter's culture be desicive or will it be a battle in which Diplomacy skills (who pays the most to the referee and who is the referee) are needed for victory ?

Will the fighter which is most Militaristic, Religious or Industrious win or will Scientific, Commerical or Expansionistic snatch this one ?

Who will upgrade first and who will be held back by lack of food or fresh water ? And are luxury aids or balast ?

Join the arena and see the fight to the death !"

I'll post a poll ;)

Random map is fine with me. All victory types on is good. I'll play the Greeks.

I'm still using v1.21 and probably will continue to do so untill v1.27 is ok for the GOTM.

Originally posted by NewDestroyer
next we should have an all moderator pbem death match ;). cracker vs moonsinger vs xiii vs bamspeedy vs padma vs chieftess.

That would be somewhat difficult, 'cause AFAIK Bamspeedy's not a moderator...

But count me in ;)

@col, you're next...... ;) Actually, it would be interesting to see which mods would participate. I would love to see an all-human game, although those games are usually impossible to keep going.

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@donsig - ok Japan(me) vs. Greeks(you). Thanks again to Ravensfire for the selections.

After that, I would say random settings for age, temp etc.

We would still need to decide Map Size, Land type(Continents etc), Barb Activity, Skill Level and # of AI opponents. Am I missing anything?

I would prefer Standard to Large, Continents, Raging(or the next one lower), Monarch or Emperor, 6 opponents + us = 8 civs total.

What do you think, donsig?

an all human moderator game would be possible because all the moderators are active on civ fanatics ;)

Sure, count me in for the mod one. :p

We shld start a thread in Staff, to ensure all mods know of this, so that none will have strong feelings at being left out... ;) Maybe even TF will join in - though I doubt it.

PS I thought we'd an old mod PBEM, which seemed to have died... :hmm:

Your right XIII

Already happened once. Veterans of the pbem forum know that. Had the same death as many others ;)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40807&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=1

Then we should start a new one, it looked pretty interesting.

Anyway, we shouldn't get this thread off topic, especially with all these mods around :D


edit: 600th post [party]

Originally posted by donsig
Random map is fine with me. All victory types on is good. I'll play the Greeks.

I'm still using v1.21 and probably will continue to do so untill v1.27 is ok for the GOTM.

The current tourney game (5-4 Babylon) is available on v1.27. I have not seen any definitive comments either way on GOTM23, but it won't be long before the announcement page comes out.

If y'all can wait to start, 1.27 has a lot of multi-player fixes. Don't know exactly how many apply to PBEM but it might be well worth the upgrade.

I'm out of action for a few days anyway. :(

@ DZ: Regarding map size, let's not make it too big. I'll play random barbs and random land type as well but I can see where we might want to choose the land type. Since it's a random map choosing land type may not be a big deal though. I'm not good on diety level at all but any other level will do. Of course if you insist on diety I will accept your challenge! ;)

Let me know when you get things up and running again, donsig. There is no hurry, although interest in this match seems to have exceeded expectations. :)

I never said anything about playing on Deity as I am not quite there myself. ;) I am sort of leaning toward Emperor just to make it even more of a challenge for us.

As far as a map goes, I am fine with a Standard map and 8 civs total. Random barbs is cool because then you won't know if you have to prepare for them or not.

I still like Continents because I believe that will give the game true balance. It will force us to concentrate on both land and sea units. Archipelago is too much water...Pangaea is too much land.

Let me know what you think. :)

if u do play make sure u make spoiler pages :D. this is gunna get good, especially if u make everything random.

wannna,


See,


BLOOD!!!!!!

Sorry, lost control there! I know we're waiting on donsig, just didn't want to let anyone forget this one!

Continents and random barbs are good. I hope to be able to play in a couple days. :)

Tell me more about spoiler plages. I've been wondering how we'll be able to play this and let our *audience* enjoy it while still retaining the unknowns for the players. The only other PBEMs I've played were alliance games where we cooperated and had no secrets.

You just post separate threads, and try not to look into each other's... :) :mischief:

donsig,

I will be gone fore the entire weekend, so there is no rush. Please post when you are ready. :)

Perhaps it's possible to have 2 threads "Donsig" and "Donovan Zoi" and you ask Thunderfall to make thread "Donsig" impossible to enter for DZ and vice versa. IIRC I've seen that in Succession games threads where several teams played the same game.

This should be interesting to follow :satan:

I might subscribe to this myself - always a good learning experience to watch others take a whack at a pbem, especially since I lack PTW myself.
Good luck to both of ya

Originally posted by donsig
Tell me more about spoiler plages. I've been wondering how we'll be able to play this and let our *audience* enjoy it while still retaining the unknowns for the players. The only other PBEMs I've played were alliance games where we cooperated and had no secrets.

There is another forum dedicated to pbems where pbem players can each have their own forum and post both private and public spoilers. It works well and avoids cluttering up the CFC pbem forums with 2 person threads. See Anarres sig.

I know you mean well, but advertising is a nono in these parts. ;)

I'm back! Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!! :D

Originally posted by col

...avoids cluttering up the CFC pbem forums with 2 person threads.


Clutter? Waddya mean clutter? We're talking Civ III entertainment at it's finest here! :lol:

Hello. Is anyone here?

Donovan Zoi hasn't been spotted for some days now. And without DZ no cage match.

Please stay tuned... ;)

Missed your Dual Alliance days, huh? ;)

Originally posted by XIII
Missed your Dual Alliance days, huh? ;)

Yes. :(

Let me join the recent activity in this thread to state that the Cage Match will finally be underway!

So are we going with Standard Map, Continents, 8 civs total and random everything else? donsig as Greece as myself as Japan?

Please confirm that these settings are okay, donsig. Also, if you would like to set up the game and send it, that would be fine with me. I've never set one up but it looks simple enough. Let me know how you would like to get this rolling. :)

Those settings are good. I've not set up a game either. You can have the honor of setting it up and going first since you are the challenger. ;) I'm still using v1.21 but may upgrade to the newer patch once I finish this month's GOTM. Do you forsee any BTW, what level did we decide on and does v1.21 still have the bug where every game defaults to monarch?

So...where do I go for updates and possibly screenshots for this game? I would truly like to monitor this game.

Waiting on DZ to start the game...

If no one is going to start the game, then I'm going to close the thread. There's 53 posts and the game has yet to start. If you want to restart the game, then pm me, and I'll reopen the thread.

Thank you, Chieftess for re-opening this thread. You may want to keep an eye on the CFC Staff PBEM as well, as it seems someone is holding onto the game there. ;)

donsig, can you please PM with your email? It looks like we are ready to begin.

Are we posting opening screenshots? Because I am feeling pretty "festive" about mine. Will have to wait until next turn, though....already saved.

Pmmed e-mail address. :)

Sure, I'll try posting my opening position without giving you too much info on what's going on!

I'd be keen if you guys had some way to show us following the show what you are doing while not showing the opponent...

And it begins...

Here are the humble beginnings of Greece:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/cage4000.jpg

The contenders:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/cagecivs.jpg

The top 5 Cities, circa 4000 BC:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/cagetop5.jpg

Turn 2 save e-mailed. :)

So, DZ, do we have comparable starting positions?

DZ and Donsig. I am very interested in your 1 on 1. I'm going to PM you both for the saves. You can email them right ?

Originally posted by donsig

So, DZ, do we have comparable starting positions?

I would say so, as long as your primitive neighbors are nice to you. ;)

Here's mine......

Hmm, I would like to be in a Demogame PBEM Cage Match one day.

DZ edges in front of donsig!http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/cage4civ.jpg

Note: I may be away for a few days. If you don't hear from me it's because I'll be cut off from the internet, not because I'm abandoning the game. :)

That's fine, donsig. :) Just PM me or send the save upon your return.

DZ rushes to push through bulk of DG4 ruleset before his opponent's return. :mischief: :lol:

Anything exciting happening here between you two? I haven't heard a thing since turn 3 or 4...

I built a road........ ;)

There probably won't be too much to report in these early stages. Keep in mind that if we were playing a regular game, 8 turns would take us about 5 minutes. :lol:

This thread will start to get more informative when donsig and I have common knowledge of world events. And it will get really good when the inevitable occurs. :splat:

Originally posted by CivGeneral
Hmm, I would like to be in a Demogame PBEM Cage Match one day.

Hmm, I noticed no one responded to this post :(.

Originally posted by Vander
Anything exciting happening here between you two? I haven't heard a thing since turn 3 or 4...

The Greeks have yet to build a road but they are happy anyway. :) Greece is a very hilly and mountainous country.

Originally posted by CivGeneral
Hmm, I noticed no one responded to this post :(.
Consider yourself quoted ;)

I may get more into Multiplayer over the holidays, to get some training exercises for our big Demogame PBEMs. Consider yourself on the hit-list :)

As for the Cage match? Well, since I have nothing to say, I will end this sentence with yet another smilie :crazyeye:

EDIT: OK, I'll despam this post. Donsig and DZ - what do you think of your start locations? Any non-sensitive strategies you wish to endow us wit the knowledge of? Oh, better put a smilie in, it is the end of yet another paragraph.:goodjob:

I like my start GBM, but as you can see I'm falling a tad behind:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cage11.jpg

I'm also having a bit of trouble with the Ligurians! :eek:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cagebarb.jpg

It's nice to get an update. I'm sorry about the barbs!!

2 points doesnt really matter much :p

Originally posted by Vander
It's nice to get an update. I'm sorry about the barbs!!

Our hardy Greek warrior was attacked by at least one of those Ligurians, but I an happy to report that our warrior was victorious!

I am unhappy to report that I've been waiting for DZ to play a turn for over a week now. I know I've sent the save at least once. Have you gotten it DZ?

Another Ligurian bites the dust! :D

Wow, this game may be over sooner than everyone thinks. :eek:

donsig and I have met in Turn 13!

And here is an FA look at me and my new friend.

Those pictures are telling me that this is going to be an interesting game. ;)

Anything new? The spectators want news!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cagefa.jpg

Not much news - the game is slow because I don't have access to a computer with both PTW and an internet connection. Using an old fashioned floppy to carry the save back and forth...

The Greeks and the Japanese are undergoing intense negotiations regarding technology trades. Stay tuned for further developements. :)

Turn 14 played. I e-mailed the save but I'm not sure I got your e-mail address right, DZ. I don't know why I can't find your civfanatics e-mail address on this site. :(

Anyway, The Greeks have taught the Japanese how to use an alphabet and in return the Japanese have shown the Greeks how to bury their dead with great pomp and circumstance. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cage15cv.JPG

Japanese warriors reach the borders of Greece! :eek:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cage15jp.JPG

Donsig: I hope you have defenders ...

anythin happened to DZ yet?

I have seen all I need to see for now.....let's see if donsig will let me leave peacefully. :D

Turn 17 sent. Go in peace dark green clad man! When you return we will burn incense together. :)

Turn 18 sent. Greek warriors continue to escort Japanese warriors away from Greece. :)

Turn 19 played and sent. The Koreans have the highes score. Zoi is the number three city.

The dark green clad Japanese warrior continues to move away from Greece. The light green clad Greek warrior continues its escort duties. :)

Turn 20 played and sent. The Greek escort finally parts ways with my Warrior. :)

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
Turn 20 played and sent. The Greek escort finally parts ways with my Warrior. :)

Not really... :D I didn't make a screenie of the warriors but here are the top 4 cities:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cagetop4.JPG

Turn 22 sent. Now I know why I usually play on Large maps or better. ;)

It looks like donsig and I have company. Everyone please give a warm welcome to:

The Carthaginians!

Turn 24 sent. Not much to report, except for the fact that I'm on-line today and can play some turns...

Unfortunately, I am not. :( But I will get this save back to you quickly so you can play another turn. I will be back this evening.

You do raise a good point though, donsig. Let's see if we can work out some kind of multi-turn arrangement every now and then. I will give you my possible schedule with the Turn 25 save. :)

The Greeks have offered to teach their Japanese neighbors the fine art of working in stone, so that they might build more grandiose temples and other structures. Alas, the poor Japanese have nothing to offer in return! :(

I'm back home in the frozen north and ready to resume play. Turn 3 has been sent. :)

I am still in the frozen midwest and welcome your return. :)

Turn 35 sent.

That's more like it! Let's keep this thing moving, mroe updates! More pictures! I must live vicariousely through your games ;)

It is my opinion that Carthago must be destroyed. :)

I sent turn 37 out last week. Resent it tonight and the e-mail bounced back. Are you still out there DZ?

EDIT: I now have a computer with internet access and PTW. till don't have access on weekends but there's light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps we'll be able to move along a t a moderate pace once DZ's e-mail is working. :)

Edit #2: I'm using PTW version 1.27 now.

So... anything happening?

Sorry about the delay here, donsig and everyone. :(

RL has been a bit intensive lately, so I haven't fully figured out the email situation yet. I am hoping to get things running mid-week or earlier.

And great news about donsig's improved situation! :D I look forward to a much faster paced game once I get it together.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/CAGE37B.SAV

Turn 38 played and sent. :)

I'm in last place with a score of 99. :(

No sign of dark green clad people in a long time...

Turn 47 played and sent! [party]

Here's my new city:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cage47.jpg

I plan on renaming it next turn. I'm leaning towards calling it Shaitan. :worship: Maybe I should save that name and call this one Chieftess since it has a luxury nearby. What do you all think? :help:

Since I'm on the subject of trading, I offered you 3gpt for mysticism DZ. Care to sign on the dotted line? :D

You are indeed very very close to eachother.

If you call it Chieftess is it sure to be destroyed :evil:

Guess I'd better stick with Shaitan then. :lol:

Forgot to rename Thermopylae again! Drat and double drat!

DZ - I bought mysticism for gold. Yes, I still have masonry. Got anything else to trade for it? :)

You can take your time renaming it, donsig. I am not ready to take it just yet. ;)

No fair calling it Shaitan though; how am I supposed to attack a city with that name? :D

As for your third question: nope.

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi
No fair calling it Shaitan though; how am I supposed to attack a city with that name? :D


Alls fair in love and Civ.

Carthage hit me up for a handout. On turn 50 they built a city right near where I wanted to plant one. Serves me right for taking your elephant DZ.

Turn 51 sent

Yes, I got to watch that city sprout up before my Spearman's very eyes.

Speaking of Carthage, they are greedy little buggers, aren't they? I said "No." ;)

Off to update my sig....... :D

I know it's (extremely) late, but I throw my support to Donovan Zoi. I just noticed this game.

Originally posted by Zarn
I know it's (extremely) late, but I throw my support to Donovan Zoi. I just noticed this game.

Oh, so you're the one who gave the dark green clad guy those pointy sticks!

Just because of donsigs and K-D's epic pbems, go donsig :)

Here's a shot of part of our world. It shows the Northern Greek Hills. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/cage65.jpg

Hmmm.... maybe I should've spray painted that one mountain... :p

HOLY COW! There's a dark green clad guy walking around with a SHINY pointy stick!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cage77.jpg

I forgot to send an offer for math. :( I prefer a tech but will take 4gpt for math if you make the offer DZ.

... will take 4gpt for it.

So which demogamer should I name my next city after? I think Eklektikos would be a good choice. I'm open to suggestions.

Name it "Donovan Zoi"; you opponent will never try to hurt a city with that name.

OTOH he might be tempted to own it ...

I chose Eklektikos as my newest city name. Seems as though I'm sticking with DG1 names. (That keeps me away from the dilemma of using Donovan Zoi as a name. :D) I think disorganizer will be next.

Any guesses which names I've used so far?

Sold mathematics to the Japanese for 4gpt.

Better save my city for spices! ;)

Blimey http://www.counterglow.com/forum/images/smilies/nervous.gif

I dont know how you two do it. You have managed to keep the game going :confused:

We're on turn 80 but it's 1000 BC. Shouldn't that be turn 100? :confused:

Anyway, here's the latest map the Greek explorers have made of the north. Note what appears to be the remains of a city in the top right hand corner... I wonder if our Japanese friends can shed some light on this?

And what do the Japanese do with all those grapes? :rolleyes:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cage80.jpg

Originally posted by donsig
Anyway, here's the latest map the Greek explorers have made of the north. Note what appears to be the remains of a city in the top right hand corner... I wonder if our Japanese friends can shed some light on this?

Funny you should ask, donsig. :)

The rubble you see in the north was a result of Carthaginian refusal to remove troops from Japanese borders. ;)

That said, I hope that this second "exploratory" trespass will be your last. As you can see, you have frightened our hard-working citizens and caused me to dedicate some troops for their protection.

And what do the Japanese do with all those grapes? :rolleyes:

The Japanese people would be happy to trade them, but would need your assistance to help connect our two lands. A luxury trade would go nicely with our recent Math trade, from which you are still receiving 4 gpt. Hopefully, you will not elect to jeapordize both. :)

Any guesses which names I've used so far?


Ooooo! Ooooo! I know this one! [dance]

Is one of them.....Cyc??

FWIW, building the Oracle in Cyc would be a fitting tribute to the DemoGame's 1st Cultural Minister. :)

Top 5 Cities Update!

There's a new sheriff in town, folks.......... :worship:

Originally posted by Donovan Zoi

That said, I hope that this second "exploratory" trespass will be your last. As you can see, you have frightened our hard-working citizens and caused me to dedicate some troops for their protection.


No need for your citizens to be alarmed. We are just passing through your dark green clad country on the way home. :D

Our mapping expedition is complete. :D

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cage85.jpg

So DZ's a Tool fan. Who'd have thought?

eyrei captured by the Celts!:eek:

Stay tuned - film at eleven (if DZ plays another turn tonight, that is. ;) )

disorganizer burned by the Celts! [plasma]

Elsewhere in the news... the demogame's first Culture Minister was honored today at the opening ceremonies of the ORACLE in the city named for him. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cagecyc.jpg

This looks interesting. Keep up the good work!!!

You lost 2 cities ? I hope Cyc is ready to get some units online.

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
You lost 2 cities ? I hope Cyc is ready to get some units online.

Yep, two cities gone. :( But I just built another: Civanator! :)

Cyc has indeed joined in the recruitment of Greek soldiers to deal with Celtic treachery.

First the Celts captured eyrei and burned disorganizer. The the Koreans burned poor Civanator. Now these two treacherous countries have incited both Russia and Carthage to declare war on Greece! :eek: In the known world only Japan is on peaceful terms with Greece.

A Greek ambassador has traveled to Japan to seek an alliance with the great and powerful Zoi. (I knew that mapping expedition of Japan would prove useful! ;) )

Sorry it took so long, donsig, but this is an unlikely request considering the title of this thread. :D In true DemoGame fashion, I had to run it by the Japanese people in a 96 hour poll. :lol:

Here's the email I sent along with the save. I am willing to help in some capacity, but would like to leave you an "out" if possible. What kind of Cage Match would this be if you were taken out by the Koreans and the Celts instead of me? :D This short alliance does add nicely to the plotline, however. Let me know what you think of my proposal.

PS, Just speculation, but methinks you summoned the Domino gods of DG1 through your choice of city names. :D



> Care to ally with the great Greek despotism? Choose any foe you like -
> they've all attacked me! I can teach you Greek philosophy and throw in
> some gold to boot. :)
>
> Don

OK, how do we want to go about this? I checked the FA advisor and didn't see an embassy present, or that an alliance was available for us in the diplo screen. But perhaps we won't need that.

What would you give if I were to send a couple peacekeepers(Sword and Spear) through your territory to block an area of your choosing? This solution would keep you from dedicating 20 turns to a war if it can be peacefully settled sooner, and will hopefully make it tougher for Celt or Korean units to advance on your core cities.

I am also interested in Carthage and could consider an attack in either 5 turns(when our peace treaty expires) or in 9 turns (when our Lux trade agreement expires). Judging from past experience, I may be able to goad them into a war at will, but I am not certain.

So, let me know. Here is the next save, and you will see my peacekeepers just NE of chiefpaco. Please let me know how many you think you would need(and what you would pay for each) as I may be able to spare 1 or 2 more.

DZ

Tag-team cage-fight ? :lol:

I give you Zoi:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cagezoi.jpg

Here's the reply to the recent communique from Japan:

I'm not worried about the Koreans or Celts advancing on my core cities. If you are willing to move your peace keepers towards Carthage I may be willing to pay their 'expences' especially if they were able to give advance warning of any advancing Cartaginian forces. Let me know what these 'expenses' might be.

We now have an embassy. :) I may be interested in a joint effort against Hannibal. Five or nine turns sounds good since I may be able to end one of my other wars. ;)

:aargh: Must... have... update... Eleven days since the last post? What's happening?!

Donovan and Donsig: Are you going to continue the game or can I remove this thread from my subscribed threads list ?

Nice bump, Rik! :p

Yes, and thanks for the bump. It's just what the doctor ordered. ;) But don't blame donsig. I have been the one that has shelved the game lately, and I think it's time to start it up again. Don't give up on us yet, Rik!

And thanks for your patience, donsig. A lesser man would have told me to shove off by this point.

I will try to get this thing rolling again tonight. :)

Turn 99 finally sent last night. Thanks to all for your patience. :)

Lost an archer and horseman trying to fend off the Korean hordes. Then the Celts attacked and another Greek archer died a glorious death on the battlefield. (Guess the Celts don't like all that pillaging we Greeks have done lately. ;) )

Negotiations with the Japanese have stalled...

Cage Match Turns 100! :eek: :rockon:

And there is plenty to talk about. Here is the latest missive from the Japanese Consulate:

Negotiations have stalled, eh? Hardly. As I speak to you, Japanese
forces are en route to meet our Spearman in hopes of peacefully rebuffing
a Carthaginian advance on your territory. This move will last for a few
turns while we continue to prepare for an attack on Hannibal's mainland,
which should be in about 6 turns(once our Lux deal expires). If you must,
you can wait until that time to send Philosophy.

As far my peacekeeping mission(and the on-field screenshot reports that
would accompany it), I am hoping that you can grant our nation 50 gold for
our assistance. This will be a one-time fee for the duration of your war
with Carthage, and may be renegotiated for the use of those units on
another front if requested by Greece. I pledge to be fair in any reassessment.

As a sign of goodwill, I will be posting my screenshots from the last few
turns. I hope you will respond in kind.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi :D

As promised, here is a screenshot from Turn 99. The Warrior north of Theveste is protecting a Settler.

And here is the latest shot from Turn 100. I am not quite sure what the next move is for the Sword/Warrior, so I fortified my Spearman for now. The Warrior/Settler combo disappeared from view(presumably W or SW?).

If you appreciate this info, then you will secure the gold, no? groucho

50g sent to Japan via Express Courier (i.e., horseback).

No troops lost this time. More Celtic lands pillaged. :)

donsig,

Thank you for your generous payment. However, my men bring more bad news. :(

The Carthaginian Sword/Warrior team that has reached the mountains has been joined by a nearby Sword/Numidian Mercinary team. Your Iron workers are in danger if something is not done to protect them this turn.

My peacekeepers will do what they can to protect Chiefpaco, but we have no way of getting between the interlopers and your fine city at this point. The only way we can do so would be for you to call your workers off, and I realize that your need for Iron makes this impossible.

Please let me know else what I can do to help. I will remain vigilant as your lookout.

Respectfully,

DZ

More Carthaginians came into view as those already in sight moved back north...

Lost another archer but a second attack did finish off a Korean spearman that was trying to run off our horses.

Continued the scorched earth policy in the Celtic lands as a Greek force advanced on eyrei...

The GOOD NEWS: Greek archers defeated two Celtic spearman.

The BAD NEWS: Greek archers destroyed eyrei! :mad:

With the help of donsig's revenge, no doubt, the Celts were weakened enough to drop into last place in the Histograph standings. Look out Joan --- yer next! :D

And here is the latest map. Hannibal is knocking but I don't think that donsig or myself are ready to let him in. The Carthaginian troops at the bottom of the mountain are a Warrior/Sword/Sword/Mercinary stack and Sword/Mercinary stack. Will they dare to take on this uphill battle? :mischief:

Carthaginian forces move south...

We have offered to teach our Japanese friends philosophy in return for actively joining the war against Hannibals Hordes....

No casualties (or victories) to report...

The northern world as we know it, c. 550 BC:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cage103.JPG

Unfortunately, we must decline your generous alliance offer at the moment. If the Japanese people are to remove the Carthaginian threat once and for all, it is important that we adhere to our current timetable. However, it would be nice to keep the ffer open until that time if we find we can join sooner. Is is possible that you can keep the offer on the table for the next 3-4 turns and not be too offended if we politely decline until the right moment?

Another reason for this is that I feel our peacekeepers are doing what is required to ensure the safety of your citizens. And since Japan is enjoying strong peace with Carthage, Greece may lose what is essentially an inpenetrable wall of units if we were to actively engage in hostilities now.

Regarding the Carthaginian unit advancement, my guess is that their two stacks will continue to head due south, which I would like to counter by mirroring their advance in our current triangle formation. Doing this will protect your smaller cities in the northeast, but will likely lead to an open-field skirmish NW of Donsig.

Please let me know if this plan sits well with you. And please try to send any units possible --- offensive or defensive --- to the dead end road at the foot of the mountain(where the deer and the antelope play ;) ). Catapults would be ideal to soften up their strong defensive unit.

Here's the latest:

A regular Korean archer defeates a bloody (though full strength) fortified veteran hoplite and Eklektikos falls. :mad:

Our offer for an alliance with ur Japanese friends is still on the table.

donsig,

You will be pleased to know that Japan is joining your cause against Carthage on Turn 106 aka next turn. :D My only question is: do we want to sign an official alliance that will lock us both in for 20 turns? Or more specifically, will a mere declaration of war on our part still justify the Philosophy gift? I would hate for either of us to be in a position where we could not cut and run if a reasonable exit plan became available.

It will be interesting to see if Hannibal's stacks will decide to press on toward your capital, or rush off to defend their own. In the meantime, you may want to move your two visible Hoplites one tile SW, unless you would like to try and splinter the two Carthaginian groups. Your call. :)

Also, I have noticed that you have made peace with Russia. One down, three to go! :D How close are you to making peace with Korea or the Celts, or do you have a score to settle with these two?

Breaking from my usual protocol of keeping everyone in the dark ;) , I would like to make public my upcoming absence from the forums from June 22nd to June 30th for vacation. I may check in from time to time if we have a hotel that has online access, but I will not be able to play the Cage Match.

Let's see what we can get in before then.............

Cartaginians cntinue moving south, though one swordsman did foolishly attack a hoplite on a hill. Too bad that hoplite wasn't defending Eklektikos!

A secret Japanese-Greek alliance is acceptable. Scrates is now on his way to Zoi to enlighten our Japanese friends. :)

Another Korean spearman is heading for our herd of horses...

Celtic warrior and archer defeated in the jungle...

Yes, I have a score or two to settle with these two blue clad peoples. The Celtic lands have been pillaged and a task force has been dispatched to capture a couple Celtic cities. Then peace will be made and the task force will attempt to liberate Eklektikos.

In the mean time the pillagers are heading towards Carthage to continue their work. :)

Thank you for your generous gift, donsig. I will repay you by helping to drive the Carthaginian menace from our continent.

Things have gone well in our first wave of attack against their capital. We have fallen two of their Numidians, leaving one redlined as the main defender. No word yet if this unit is protecting any Archers or Warriors, but I will keep you posted.

Near Donsig, I have ordered two of my units to advance beyond the river, while the other Spear was sent north to scout for approaching units. I have also ordered him there to watch for any Carthaginian retreat to protect their capital. Once again, you should probably send your Hoplites due south to continue your protection of the east. :)

And here's the state of world affairs today.

Valiant Greek archers died trying to rid Greece of the Korean menace. :(

The Japanese forces that advanced beyond the river defeated two Cartaginian swordsmen and a Numidian Mercenary! :goodjob: The hoplite in the forest was so excited watching the gallant Japanese - that he died when attacked by the Carthaginian forces. :p

Greek emissaries returned from Korea to report that peace could be had if we give them Cyc. donsig scratched his head and thought about the term one judiciary, but decided to keep Cyc anyway. ;)

Thanks to malfunctioning Japanese Catapults, the city of Carthage is allowed to stand another day. :(

And on the Greek battlefield, Japenese units head east in hopes of staging an ambush from the forest north of Donsig. Hopefully, our host doesn't mind this risky move and will be able to supply further manpower to vanquish the Carthaginian threat in this region once and for all.

This may be my last turn for the week, or I may be able to fit in one more. I have tonight until about 9pm EST before I have to rest up for a long week of driving and sightseeing. :)

I'm back! However, in my haste to skip town last week, I think I forgot to send donsig the Turn 107 save. :( It was finally sent last night, so let the fall of Carthage resume! :D

Carthage completes the Pyramids while under seige!

Carthaginian troops enter Greek territory and Greek Hoplites descend the western face of the mountain range. A hoplite repels a swordsman attack.

Greek archer eliminates the current Korean threat inside Greece as a task force advances on a Celtic city.

Here's the western front:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/cage107.JPG

:bump:

You guys still playing?

Yes, Dave. I guess I am still in vacation mode though. :rolleyes: :D

Sorry to always be the one holding this game up. I will try to get things moving again early next week.

this is fun to watch.

You showed up at the right time, KCC. :)

If you will look to my sig, you will see that the Cage Match will end its month and a half long hiatus tomorrow!

Stay tuned...........

CARTHAGE, Japan - After 45 days of furious battle :mischief: :lol:, Japanese Swordsmen stormed the gates of Carthage's eponymous cultural center, and finally wore down the last of the defenders.

Besides a smattering of gold looted from Hannibal's coffers, this latest victory by the Japanese forces produced this unexpected(?) surprise:

DONSIG, Greece - On the Greek front, injured Japanese troops limp to the defense of Greece's capital city. Carthaginian influence in the region has been strongly rebuffed, due in no small part to this unlikely alliance between once-sworn enemies. ;)

Will the Greek-Japanese alliance continue to neutralize other interlopers on the continent? What is the fate of Carthage after losing its only cultural center? Stay tuned for the next exciting chapter of the......
donsig/DZ Cage Match!

thanks for finally starting it again DZ :D

Great! playing again!

I've been watching this with interest from the beginning - it even encouraged me to start my own PBEM game. My friend didn't come to my rescue though when I was dogpiled on with no iron or horses, he joined in the carnage! I hung on in, managed to get some iron and have just "liberated" some horses in time for my unique unit - Siphai - now the fun begins! (when he gets back from his holiday that is :()

Woot! I'm glad to see this game get underway again! :D

DONSIG, Greece - On the Greek front, injured Japanese troops limp to the defense of Greece's capital city.

I am sorry to report that one injured Japanese spearman unit fell victim to the band of Carthaginian warriors in the forest outside Athens. :( They will be buried with full military honors. (I think we Greeks know about ceremonial burials...)

Many Greeks archers fell assaulting the Celts. Also :(

But the game is on again! :cool:

Thank you, Lord donsig, for honoring my men lost in battle. This gesture will be remembered for quite some time. ;)

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DONSIG, Greece - Avenging the death of their fallen comrades, the Japanese sword patrol near Donsig successfully removed a minor threat from the lucky Carthaginian Warrior. This move leaves Greece's capital safe, at least for the short-term.

Our nearby Spearman also noticed a strong showing of Hoplites outside of Utica, after which he headed south in the hopes of engaging an injured Carthaginian Swordsman.

And here's a rare action shot from the frontlines. :D

And here's a rare action shot from the frontlines. :D
Aww, that poor warrior, his picture shot at his moment of death. ;)

Aww, that poor warrior, his picture shot at his moment of death. ;)

That's nothing, RegentMan. At least he didn't live through the humiliation of posing for the chalkline crew. :lol:

Updated pic

I just noticed the turn 109 save in my junk mail folder! :mad: I wonder how long it's been there? So sorry for delaying things. Will play my turn tonight when I get home. In the mean time I'll try to figure out how to deactivate this *junk mail* thingy...

After all the times I have kept you waiting?? Not a problem in the least. :)

For reference, I am pretty sure I sent it Sunday.......

After all the times I have kept you waiting?? Not a problem in the least. :)

For reference, I am pretty sure I sent it Sunday.......

It figures. I took Monday and Tuesday off and spent a good part of each day playing the GOTM. Could have easily played this turn then

No Code of Laws. (We don't need one - our constitution is all we need. ;) )

Greek forces disrupted Carthage's ivory supply. This was given top priority after a soothsayer related visions of Hannibal leading and army of elephants over the mountains towards Greece. Unfortunately a hoplite unit was lost afterwards. :(

No Code of Laws. (We don't need one - our constitution is all we need. ;) )


:lol: :lol: Walked right into that one. ;)

I will play the save tomorrow afternoon, or early Saturday.

Not much to report at the moment. As Japanese forces continue to advance on their next target, I thought I would take a moment to showcase the Top 5 Cities.

Once the envy of the world, the city of Zoi continues its tumble down the Top 5. However, it makes way for a second Greek city to enter the Top 3 --- the Cultural juggernaut: Cyc!

I should have an update with pics next turn. Here's the lateset:

Japanese have captured Leptis Magna and Hippo from the Carthaginians, and they still won't talk! Not that I plan to let up just yet, but I am curious what they would offer for peace.

Also, Japanese peacekeepers have been removed from the Greek front by Carthaginian rebels, save for one spearman. Does donsig need further assistance for the pests to the south and west? It would take us a few turns to get there, but something could probably be arranged.

The Greek Golden Age has ended...

Hannibal will talk with us but wants compensation in return for peace. :lol:

The Koreans are a pain but no real problem (yet). Nt entering peace talks with them as they still hold Eklektikos.

The Celtic war? Our first assault on one of their cities failed (by one hp). Next try will be soon.

That's nothing, RegentMan. At least he didn't live through the humiliation of posing for the chalkline crew. :lol:
:lol: Hilarious! I can't wait for the pictures next turn!

The Battle for Hippo had been a fierce one, and managed to yield the Japanese a Great Leader, Tojo(I think ;) ). After leading the Japanese to yet another victory, Tojo high-tailed it to Tyvek and spearheaded a monumantal achievement:

Nice DZ!

(filler)

Greece has made peace with both Carthage and the Celts. Only Korea remains at war with us.

The Greeks are so glad to hear about Tojo's new library. Tojo's army would have required a significant readjustment of Greek production. ;)

Hannibal finally became accessible, but was not interested in giving up Utica. So I guess I will have to take it myself. :)

Also, our cordial Carthaginian leader seems to be up on his pop culture references from the future, but I still declined his invite for dinner.....

Current situation on the southern (and now only) front:

The city of Eyrei has been rebuilt! [party] :banana:

The city of Strider was founded on the east coast near the border with Japan. The outskirts of the new city can be seen in the map below. :clap:

Greece has recently acquired new maps. It appears our Japanese neighbors have learned how to traverse the seas! :hatsoff:

Eyrei has always been close to (Donovan) Zoi ...

Well, the Japanese side of the multi-turn session ended with both Cage Match rivals making great strides on many facets of the game.

Peace: Goodwill and harmony are once again spreading across the continent, as Japan finally raids Carthaginian coffers for peace. ;) This decision was made after the ambush of Tojo's beloved Zoid Patrol, and the realization that a Wines/Furs for Ivory deal could be struck. If only the Greeks and Koreans could settle their differences...... :sad: :mischief:

Trade/Research: Turn 119 was a busy one for the Greeks, as they vaulted from needing Construction to trading for Feudalism. Thankfully, Japan's Great Library was there to secure Feudalism and bring the nation one step closer to Samurai. Thanks, Alex! :D

Expansion: While Japan moves to settle the western lands of former Carthage, donsig and Co. make a play for unincorporated territory near the Japanese capital. It is uncertain what effect this move will have on Greco-Japanese relations, but naming it Strider sure didn't help! :lol: Also, the city of Cyc is apparently sending out a Settler as well, as the city just dropped from Size 8 to 6.

A look at Strider (est. 170 BC)

Eyrei has always been close to (Donovan) Zoi ...

Yeah, two peas in a pod, us two. ;)

So, the Greeks have learned about our secret island, eh? Apparently they have mastered the seas as well, and steathily. Our scouts never even saw their galley. :)

Congrats on the city of eyrei, donsig. It seems that the Cage Match will be entering a new phase as our two emerging superpowers vie for dominance thru peaceful means and expansion, at least for the moment. Korea seems to be the only other nation that can compete with us.

Let the new era of peace and prosperity commence! :king:

Trade/Research: Turn 119 was a busy one for the Greeks, as they vaulted from needing Construction to trading for Feudalism. Thankfully, Japan's Great Library was there to secure Feudalism and bring the nation one step closer to Samurai. Thanks, Alex! :D

You are quite welcome Donovan_Zoi_san.

Expansion: While Japan moves to settle the western lands of former Carthage, donsig and Co. make a play for unincorporated territory near the Japanese capital. It is uncertain what effect this move will have on Greco-Japanese relations, but naming it Strider sure didn't help! :lol: Also, the city of Cyc is apparently sending out a Settler as well, as the city just dropped from Size 8 to 6.

Glad to see I picked a good name. :D

The Japanese are very observant. Yes, some people from the great city of Cyc are setting out to colonize former Celtic lands to the west. There is competition from both the Celts and Koreans for the prime jungleland. :crazyeye:

Korean forces menace Athens. :eek:

Here's the latest map of Japan:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/cage124b.JPG

In hopes of a Wines/Incense deal with Greece, Japan commissions workers to connect its roadnet to the city of Strider. Hopefully this new city is a gateway to the rest of Greece, or will be soon. :)

Here is the nation of Greece (c. 70 BC):

The last save I got was for turn 125a. Did I send you 125b yet? :confused:

Yes, you did, donsig. :(

However, I have been devoting my time to work lately and have had absolutely no time to play. I should be able to play tonite, but it's tentative. I'll do my best. :)

Yes, you did, donsig. :(

However, I have been devoting my time to work lately and have had absolutely no time to play. I should be able to play tonite, but it's tentative. I'll do my best. :)


OK, no hurry. My work has been busy lately, too! I just wasn't sure whose turn it was. :)

Finally! Time moves forward once again in the Cage Match, even as the calendar counts down to zero. What future event will cause our daycounters to change their ways? Could the answer lie with the new Japanese Monarchy?

Newly crowned King Donovan is more than happy to share the glory of the throne with his friend to the south, Lord donsig. For a price of course. :D

In the meantime, King Donovan invites all followers (of this thread ;) ) to join him right here at the Lurker's Ball, where all are free to celebrate the most popular 2-person PBEM thread in CFC history.

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My thanks to all who have kept their interest in this game for the past year, despite my frequent wanderings. Please step up to the mike and say a few words about the game so far, whether it be analysis, or a toast of goodwill. The party will continue for the next 50 years or so........ :mischief: :D

Let the Lurker's Ball commence!! :king:

Cheers, mates! Remember: The whole world is a stage; Way to keep the drama going!

/me dances the two step.

Dont ask

wahoo! long live the king! :D

Dancing in the cage-ball :dance:

Eating the lovely refreshments. Good game so far guys!

Dude - you're out (belch) of beer. Can't expect us to stay without beer! :lol:

-- Ravensfire

:lol: :lol:

I thought that Cyc would have stopped by with some wine by now. :D

Turn 127 to come shortly..............

Furiey wanders in staggering with a crate of wine - hey guys - if you want to drink any of this stuff you'd better help carry it!

She staggers off, having already sampled (copiously I might add) the aforementioned wine and falls over her two left feet as she reaches the dance floor - not much of a dancer I'm afraid!

I'm sort of celerbrating as well - as a result of this game I started a PBEM of my own with a friend and won! On with the cage match!

Congrats Furiey, and thanks for the wine.

Furiey wanders in staggering with a crate of wine - hey guys - if you want to drink any of this stuff you'd better help carry it!

She staggers off, having already sampled (copiously I might add) the aforementioned wine and falls over her two left feet as she reaches the dance floor - not much of a dancer I'm afraid!

I'm sort of celerbrating as well - as a result of this game I started a PBEM of my own with a friend and won! On with the cage match!
:lol: this reminds me of eyrei in the dg5 rpg ;)

Wow.

Having just read the entirety of this cage match, I must say that I'm hooked. Huzzah for the Cage Match!!




..and thanks for the beer..

Remind me to never play either of you in said 'cage' matches, since you take too long. :p j/k guys

Keep at it, I want results. ;)

I'm on vacation till mid October visiting the great states of North Carolina and Florida. But I brought my Civ III and PTW discs so the cage match can continue!

Any of that wine left? If not I'll have a :beer:

Plenty of wine left! Furiey drags another crate into the room - Cheers all!

Everyone, one only needs to review this recent map of the Japanese capital (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2139758&postcount=191) to surmise that this party will continue for quite some time. :D My thanks to Furiey for keeping the party going in grand fashion. However it may help if I step away from the festivities for a moment so that I may forward the game.

One new post coming right up! :D

Well, it seems that in my inebriated state, I have let my greed get the best of me and have come away with nothing. :( ;)

As everyone knows, I was the first to Monarchy and had great plans to share the joys of this grand government for a price. However, I wanted to make sure to include my good friend donsig in the, um, transaction. ;)

Last turn, I had a chance to secure a moderate sum from Russia for Monarchy, but turned it down because I wanted donsig's money as well. And if Russia had the tech, he may very well take his business to Catherine instead. Well, we couldn't have this now, could we?

So, I tabled the negotiaitions with Russia for a turn, hoping to grab donsig's cash, followed by a quick deal with Russia. But much to my chagrin, donsig was willing to offer only 100g(which I refused), and opened the game to find that Russia had already secured Monarchy by other means!

So much for best laid plans, although I have been burned by the AI before in this scenario. I should have known better. So now I have to see if a deal can still exisit between Greece and Japan for this fabled government, or if donsig will choose to make one of his former enemies richer(Korea has it now, too).

I am also predicting that a trade route may be available next turn between Greece and Japan, if Strider is connected by road. After this great party, I hope there is enough wine left for trade! :eek: :lol:

I'm sure we've already consumed two of those wine tiles! :lol:

Korean hordes continue to pour out of the southern jungle! :eek:

Speaking of pouring, pour me another glass of the stuff you make with the grapes.

Now, how much do you want for this monarchy thing?

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the Celts built a this great big tall thing with a fire on top of it. I hear it's somewhere on the west coast.

Sent turn 127 awhile ago. Did you get it DZ?

I'm taking another vacation Oct. 30 through Nov. 7. Hope we can get a couple turns in before then!

After another loooong DZ-sponsored delay, the game is on the move again:

Japanese workers complete road to Donsig! Japanese send Monarchy and Wines to the Greeks in the hopes of acquiring Incense and at least 150g. However, we will entertain any deal that will keep the Greeks from looking elsewhere.

The long-awaited connection of these two great lands has compelled the powers that be to set the calendars back to zero next turn and start anew. But they vowed that this will be the last time, regardless of what happens.

Let a new era of peace and prosperity begin, and may it last until...it ends! :D

Nooooooo! Our wines! ;)

A couple Korean archer units bit the dust tonight. :) This war will continue until Eklektikos is freed and Civanator is rebuilt!

We welcme trade our Japanese friends but unfortunately we do not have any extra incense. We know where to get some though. [pimp] Just give us a little time.

And now for something completely different: the top two cities of the world! Can you say *Camelot Award*?

Rik walks around the lurker's ball looking at all the sad faces. "Anyone for wine?".
- "Hey dude; Donovan Zoi offered all wine to Donsig, there's none left... :mad: "
- "So Donsig has all the wine ?" - "yeah".

And so Rik goes on his way to the Capitol "donsig" to continue the Vintivities.

Whoa! After reading donsig's statement in the Presidential Election thread, I came here and went through about 10 pages of this thread. Quite a game you two and a good party. *Cyc sets a case of imported Zojoji Wine on the table and cracks it open*

I'm glad to see both of you working together to ensure your survival. :D And thanks, donsig, for taking such good care of the city of Cyc. I am truly honored and wish I would have known of this earlier.

Good luck to the both of you.

Aren't you glad to know that you've spent 14 months of your life on this and its probobly not even half way done? :)

This message of perspective has been brought to you by snipelfritz inc. "Making people feel insignificant since 1991" and viewers like you.

Aren't you glad to know that you've spent 14 months of your life on this and its probobly not even half way done? :)


Probably because sometimes it takes a month for us (ok....me ;) ) to play a turn.

That said, turn 129 finally played!

ZOI, Japan(10 AD) - Negotiations still underway for Monarchy. Party people of Japan can rejoice: King Zoi will not export Wines to Greece until a luxury trade can be made.

Not much else happening.....I'll post screenies when something cool happens.

Game ON! :D Again.............

The blasted Koreans are making it difficult for us to access more incense. We'll have to make do with Cyc's Zojoji wine in the mean time. Thanks, Cyc! :beer:

Upped our offer for :king: to 150g. Will the Honorable Japanese accept?

Turn 129 sent. I, too will post a screenshot if something interesting happens.

Upped our offer for :king: to 150g. Will the Honorable Japanese accept?

Of course we will. Thank you, Soon-to-be-King donsig! :D

I think it's your turn DZ. ;)

I think it's your turn DZ. ;)

Yes, you caught me. :D

Turn 131 sent!

Nothing special to report (other than a turn was played).

That novel idea the Japanese had about :king: has impacted Greek society. :eek:

Note: I played the turn but forgot to sent it! Will try to do that tomorrow. :blush:

I have just joined to lurk. Enjoy.

Anarchy!!! Looks like the end of the Korean War was not popular in Greece. And Eklektikos is still held by the Koreans. :cry:

We need a :king:

Just so everyone knows, this game is very much alive. donsig and I have just played a few turns under the radar, that's all. ;)

Turn 134 sent!

Long live the :king: !!!

Radical Japanese form of government installed in Greece as the despotic donsig is given a crown. When interviewed the new monarch proclaimed, *It's good to be the king!*

We have incense to trade! Trade offer sent to our honorable neighbors to the north.

The Japanese have accepted King donsig's generous offer by offering Wines in return. :king:

All you need to do is sign on the dotted line. groucho

Sigh... there goes the wine. :( ;)

The new :king: has sprung into action. Two new Greek cities were founded: Civanator and Octavian X. The new city of Civanator was built upon the ruins of the old one.

Greece and the Celts are also at war again. A Celtic city was captured and renamed Peri. :hammer:

Not much to report but here are the current top five cities:

Rumor has it that Lateralus is building the Hanging Gardens...

Edit: oops - have to modify the map to remove classified info! :eek: Will repost it shortly.

I'll have to remember to take some pictures of Greece's expansion next turn.......

Donsig's picture in the last post should put to rest any fears about a Japanese Wine shortage. ;) Other than that, all is well --- even as several nations race for completion of the Hanging Gardens.

Thank you for recognizing Tyvek's emergence into the Top 5 Cities. I think the people of the world really like our new Library! :D

The Top Five Cities continues to change, as the Japanese challenge the Greeks for cultural dominace.

I hope that the honorable King donsig does not think that our trade agreement implies that he may trespass through Japanese waters without my permission. :eek:

I exhibited much patience the last time you trespassed upon my lands. Please request a Right of Passage agreement, or send your ship home at once! :king: :ninja:

I hope that the honorable King donsig does not think that our trade agreement implies that he may trespass through Japanese waters without my permission. :eek:

I exhibited much patience the last time you trespassed upon my lands. Please request a Right of Passage agreement, or send your ship home at once! :king: :ninja:

What about trading maps instead?

[donsig wonders to himself] Where's that settler going? A new city or is it part of the size twelve plan? [/donsig wonders to himself]

"Well, it's cutting me own throat but......" Map deal accepted! :D

donsig, you taught me quite some time ago that it's better to use two workers for the Size 12 Plan than one Settler. That said, my workforce has decreased by another four this turn to the benefit of my beloved capital.

The Settler was recalled, thanks to your wise decision to honor my national borders. Otherwise he was racing you to the island. ;)

However, you can spend another bit of gold to find out what I am producing in Zoi instead. :lol:

[DZ in wonder-land]Why are the Greeks investigating my cities? Are they sizing me up?[/DZ in wonder-land] :mischief:

[DZ in wonder-land]Why are the Greeks investigating my cities? Are they sizing me up?[/DZ in wonder-land] :mischief:

Now, now, don't get all bent out of shape. I didn't do anything. You posted the screenshot showing a settler will be done in five turns in Zoi. :p

You've got to be careful what you show. I almost gave away some secrets earlier! :eek:

Thanks for reminding me that workers are better for the Size 12 Plan. :D

Wow, three turns in one day! :goodjob: Will send turn 143 shortly.

EDIT: Turn 143 sent.

Since we traded maps here's our tiny world map:

(..)Donsig's picture in the last post should put to rest any fears about a Japanese Wine shortage. ;) (..) Yeah !!! :drool: ... Wine.

Keep it up guys ! :goodjob: