Military Leader: Peri
Military Deputy: CivGeneral

Term 4 Military Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=60335)

Please post any comments or questions you may have on the nation's security and defence.

I would like to welcome CivGeneral to the team and offer my congratulations to all those who were elected to office this term. :goodjob:

In AD1705 our armed forces consist of:

17 Tanks
30 Cavalry
114 Infantry
21 Legions
2 Warriors

20 Artillery

4 Battleship
5 Destroyer
1 Ironclad
1 Caravel

In AD1705

Our armed forces are stronger than the:

Americans
Greeks
English
Chinese
Japanese
Russians
Aztecs

Our armed forces are about the same size as the:

Babylonians
Persians
Germans

The Noldodan Perimeter

Plans are in progress to give all our frontier cities 2 muskets in garrison.
By the end of the next Turn chat, the first phase of this line will have been completed stretching from Iron Hills in Aventine all the way to Cold Harbour in Quirinal.

AD1575. This perimeter is being upgraded to include infantry.

Phase 1
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Phase 2
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This phase should be completed by the end of the next TC


Phase 3
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This is the final phase. When this is complete there will be 2 infantry in every border and coastal city.


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The Quirinal Squadron

I think it would be sensible to have a small naval squadron to patrol the sea between Quirinal and the Aztecs. Therefore I shall begin petitioning to this effect. A discussion will be opened in the forum.
This change in heart regarding naval policy is due to the imminent arrival of the technology to build battleships and destroyers which are effective naval vessels.
I suggest a force of 2 battleships and 4 destroyers.

So what are your plans and/ or goals for the military department now that you are elected to it's highest office?

In addition to maintaining the security and defence of Fanatica there are a number of other areas that are of concern to me.


City Defences.

I would like to see each city with two Cat A units in garrison.
Aventine is currently producing muskets in quantity. When the thread goes up for this term, I shall make representations to Governor Noldodan to keep up productions of muskets.
I have also been knocked back in Term 4 to have more spearmen upgraded but I shall request funds from the Domestic Leader for this purpose.

Mobile Reserve.

This is crucial to our defence and I hope to add 10 more units to its strength over the coming Term if there is support.

TFR

It is also vital that each city is served by the railway to enable the rapid movement of troops around Fanatica. The effect of this is that in the event of attack we will be able to bring superior force to bear against our enemy.

Navy

Although the building of some navy units may be seen as desirable, it is important to remember that ironclads will become obsolete soon and cannot be upgraded.

War.

At the moment there are no plans for a war of conquest. Any such war at the moment would not provide sufficient returns.


I hope this answers your questions. :)

First Congratulations!

now on to business

Originally posted by Peri

Navy

Although the building of some navy units may be seen as desirable, it is important to remember that ironclads will become obsolete soon and cannot be upgraded.


This is rather vague, would you prefer there to be just limited production of Iron clads (just a couple) or None at all?

Thank you.
Firstly we must examine if there is a need for a navy at the moment. If yes then we decide on how many to produce.

While we are at peace and still in the Early Industrial period I am reluctant to support the building of a navy. The ironclads will become obsolete and are not able to be upgraded. that is the major stumbling block for me.
If you press me for a number then I suggest we build no more than 4 ironclads but that is only if we can identify a need in the first place. :)

Congratulations on your ascent to the top spot, Peri. Fanatica will now certainly continue the path forged by the great General Falcon. :)

Now, regarding some of the thoughts in this thread:

1. I would like to see no more than 3-4 Ironclads produced at this time, if only to patrol the seas between the four countries to our west and north(Persia, Babylon, China, Russia). While these are not upgradeable, I would still like to see some sort of naval presence so that we don't have to play total catch-up later.

2. Speaking of Ironclads, did you know that there is a Persian Ironclad within our borders near Iron Hills? I wouldn't think anything of it for now, but this is precisely the reason why we should have at least a small Coast Guard.

3. Please lend your thoughts to my 3 Turns of 0% Science? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63042) thread. Supporting this plan will free up the necessary gold to upgrade more foot soldiers. If we can pull this off, then hopefully we can have Aventine tone down on the Musket production.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Domestic Leader

My apologies. I thought I had posted my support. I shall see to it at once.

No the apologies come from me. :) After posting here, I then found that you had already commented in the thread. Kind of like letters passing in the mail, no doubt. ;)

Updated Military Strengths and Current Military Plans

Peri,

As a precaution, could you begin development of prelimary plans to deal with the foriegn incursions? I don't see that happening, especially with Germany having only one military unit (with a large target symbol on his chest!) visible to us.

If Germany or Greece completely loose their senses, I plan to continue the chat barring a military force making an unexpected presence, or a large military alliance forms against us.

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire, President of Fanatica

Mr. President

Well the presence of that German unit does indicate that war is imminent. At the moment I am considering our response. I am working out whether it will be best to screen the north with cavalry or just to protect our workers there.
There is minimal chance of the Germans having a strong force in the north. The main threat will be the loss of luxuries from trade that a war might bring.
If the Germans seek an alliance with one of our continental neighbours that will make things more interesting. However at the moment we are strong enough to resist an attack. A war with Germany is likely to be naval and since we don't have a navy there should be very few actual engagements.
I would urge however that the re arming and trainng programme is accelerated so that we no longer have obslolete spearmen.
Also that the railway is completed with the same urgency.

Regards

My Lord General,

I have a question regarding your instructions for the next chat. In the section referring to Musketmen movements, you refer to three that are in the field near Quirnial. Do you instead refer to the three Cavarly units currently on patrol there? These units are just outside of Skunkworks.

My thanks!
-- Ravensfire, President of Fanatica

Mr. President,

There are indeed 3 muskets men en route in our southern province.

Regards

My apologies - I missed them completely the first time around. Musketmen found and will be directed!

The following posts have been updated:

The Military Strength Of Fanatica
The Military Strength Of Our Neighbours
Current Military Plans

The following posts have been updated:

The Military Strength Of Fanatica
The Military Strength Of Our Neighbours
Current Military Plans

After being Governor for a Term I now have a better understanding of the link between the Military Dept. and the Governors who provide the troops.

As such, I now realize that the Governor's can't read the Military Leader's mind.... ( hey I knew what I wanted when I was Military leader, and the Governors seemed to provide everything in great quanitity ;) )

What I would like to ask of you is that you make a list, in order of priority (if neccisary a note to how much a difference in priority) of all the types of units you would like to be built.

ie.
Infantry
Artillery (about same extent as infantry)
Ironclads (build some if you want to, but keep it to a minimum for now)
etc...

Thank you for this opportunity. Now the Noldodan Perimeter has nearly reached completion, my thoughts had begun to focus on the next stage.
Like you I have also found that the governors produce military units without being asked. This had made my job very easy.


Troop Priorities

This list is general and not specifically aimed at yourself. However any contribution you can make to filling this wish list would be much appreciated.

I need 18 more infantry to give every coastal city 2 and the cities that border the Aztecs 4. The cities the that form our northern border will have 2 as well. The terrain of that region makes more unnecessary. Also Xak Tsaroth will have 2 as it is within each of that single Persian city in Capitoline.

I need 6 more artillery to give 2 each to every city that borders the Aztecs.

I would like to assemble a reserve force of 20 infantry and 10 artillery to provide the cavalry with some defensive options until they can be replaced by better units.

I would also like to invest in a navy when the required new technology becomes available. The composition of this is up for discussion but I would like to see us with 20+ vessels.

I think in the long run MUCH more Artillery might be good...

NEVER underestimate the power of 60 Artillery Batteries Pounding a City...

I would also propose that, Airports be made a priority for Military purposes should we enter a war with a civ on another continent. We can take the first city with a mass invasion, rush an Airport (if neccisary) and then we have the power to instantly transport as many units as we have Airports, to help with such an offensive....

of course... that's my personal prefered defensive strategy ;) they attack me, I take it to THEIR homefront, if possible, wherever that may be...

I am all for building the biggest and best army but there seems to be little desire to use it at the moment. I would be content to receive those 38 more infantry and 16 more artillery. However I would be delighted naturally to receive more.
If the time came that we were forced into a war then more troops would be needed. In such circumstances I would like an extra 40 infantry and 20 artillery minimum.

I agree with your strategy regarding airports but I think it would be unlikely that there would be support for such a venture.

like I said, it's my own personal "Defensive" strategy in such cases. ALways take it to their homefront, unless peace comes first.

Ok, I am Back to take my Deputy Spot. I beleve that the Artillery Pieaces should be based in our Border cities. I would have to check the save first to further plan on this.

The following posts have been updated:

The Military Strength Of Fanatica
The Military Strength Of Our Neighbours

The following posts have been updated:

The Military Strength Of Fanatica
The Military Strength Of Our Neighbours

My Lord General,

My thanks for an excellent job during this term. Your skill was most evident to all observers. Note that the only attack came at the end of the term, just prior to nominations - an obvious attempt by Germany to influence our elections and have you removed from office.

It is nice to see that attempt is failing!

As my last act as President, I would like for you to examine the possibility of invading mainland Japan and taking Edo from them. What forces would be required to capture, and hold the city of Edo? I realize that without an investigation this won't be exact, but an estimate could prove useful.

-- Ravensfire

Such a venture would prove costly. Although we have superior forces the distance of Japan from our own lands would cause logistical problems. We would need to transport the invasion force in one go to avoid piecemeal attacks. We would also need to take more than just Edo to avoid culture flipping. I would suggest we avoid Edo altogether and land the force in Tokyo Bay. We could capture Kyoto, Nagoya, Kagoshima and Tokyo. This would knock Japan out of the game and avoid these cities culture flipping

This would require 40 tanks and 5 transports at the very least. However I strongly suggest that such an invasion would only bring problems to our fair land. Invading Azteca is a much more sound proposition. :)