OK, this is the situation:
I've got a warlord level game going, in which it is 1290 AD and I'm milking it for the HoF. But yesterday I noticed I was still in republic! :blush:
I just got sanitation and I'm making about 3500 gpt with 90% tax and getting printing press in 4 turns at 10% science.
My lands are almost entirely improved (only mountains left to do) and I'm already joining workers to my cities. My income allows me to rush 6-7 hospitals per turn.

Now the big question is: Should I research to democracy and switch to that governmen? Or just stick with republic?

Pro's to switching governments: Democracy has less corruption (but I don't need that much production at this stage of the game anyway, though extra income would be nice) and has faster workers (but my lands are almost fully improved).

Con's to switching governments: My lands are huge (1 tile below the domination limit at a huge map), so I'll likely draw 6-8 turns of anarchy.

Is it worth it to switch?
If you vote, please tell me why you think I should/should not switch. Thanks :)

i would not go that direction if i were in that position. like you said, your lands are almost all improved so you do not need the +50% worker speed. the lowered corruption would probably only net you a few hundred more gold and seeing how you are making 3500gpt, that wouldn't be a large improvement. spending 8 turns to research printing press and democracy and then another 4-8 turns of anarchy could be spent heading up the research tree towards mass transit.

Takeo's reasoning mirrors my own. Mass transit is a higher priority than Democracy. If you had more undeveloped land, I'd reconsider, but if you're almost done, stick with Republic.

thx guys.

I'm the other person who voted NO. Same reasons as Takeo. Anarchy sucks with non-religous civs. I used to beeline for democracy then steam power, but now go straight for steam power.

I think Republic is perfectly fine at this point. Let's say you get lucky and spend only 4 turns in anarchy...that would translate to at least 10000 gold right there (2500 gpt * 4 turns). You have to be in Democracy for at least 100 years to make up for the gold lost during anarchy. Since happiness is the only thing that matter from this point forward, I see no benefit to switch.

Having said that, I would definitely switch to Democracy just because I feel like it. That will be exactly what I will do in my game.

OK, like you guys (and girl) suggested I stayed in republic and it's going fine. It's now 1450 AD and I'm rushing the last few hospitals I need and after my ToE slingshot I'm 3 or techs short of the modern age.
And although my increase in score per turn has dropped to about 60 points per turn, my score is already 7915 points, which would rank me 5th in the current table. So I'll just continue milking my game to the 1st place on warlord level... :D
I'm taking a break from this game, as I have to start GOTM23 this weekend or I'll risk missing the deadline on that game...

Originally posted by Darkness
So I'll just continue milking my game to the 1st place on warlord level... :D

I don't want to congratulate you prematurely, but it sounds like you've got a rock solid performance underway.

Even though my current attempt is all the way back down at Chieftain for 'practice', if I can take down Eman's score, I will.

People like us need three computers, one to play, one to milk, and another to surf CFC.

I've got 2:
1- at home, to play and milk
2- at work, to surf CFC
;)

Sweet Jesus, that's a good game. What civ are you playing as?

I hasten to add this. The benefits of switching to Democracy are very definitely outweighed by the costs of the likely long period of anarchy. Stay as a republic.

Originally posted by ShiplordAtvar
Sweet Jesus, that's a good game. What civ are you playing as?

One of the civs with an absolute crap UU: America.
the expansionist trait rocks on the lower levels ('cause my regent game (currently no 2 in the table) was also with America, as was Bamspeedy's no 1 regent score)...

Just want to let you know that I did switch from Republic to Democracy in my game around 1300 AD after my whole contient were railroaded. Although my income was increasing only about 200 gpt in Democracy, I can research new tech in every 4 turns now instead of 5. I spent 6 turns in anarchy without any problem. Since everything were railroaded and irrigated and with 8 luxuries and market in all cities, most of my citizens were happy and none were starving. Basically, anarchy didn't hurt my score at all.:)

I figured you would do that Moonsinger. :D
I'm going to stay in republic though... ;)

I played another 20 turns last night. I discovered ecology about 4-5 turns ago and I immediately sold of all my libraries and universities and started buying mass transits. I'm about halfway through my cities now. I set tax at 100% but my scientists still discovered chivalry in 4 turns :crazyeye:

My increase in score is 54 points per turn and my score is now 9050 in 1550 AD. :D

Since the Longvity and the Cure for Cancer are important too, may want to get the tech for building them before disbanding all your libraries and universities.;)

Originally posted by Moonsinger
Since the Longvity and the Cure for Cancer are important too, may want to get the tech for building them before disbanding all your libraries and universities.;)

Don't need them. I already have max happiness in all my cities (even with 0% lux. rate) and most of my cities are already maxed out, populationwise. But I can get them fast enough after buying my mass transits and I've already got 2 or 3 pre-builds going....

Originally posted by Darkness
Don't need them. I already have max happiness in all my cities (even with 0% lux. rate) and most of my cities are already maxed out, populationwise. But I can get them fast enough after buying my mass transits and I've already got 2 or 3 pre-builds going....

Ah! Your cities spacing are much closer than mine. That's probably why you don't need them. Some of my size-40 (or above) cities do have some unhappy people, so I guess I do need the Cure for Cancer. And of course, the Longvity will help my cities to reach the max faster.

Yes, I prefer close spacing. Mostly there are 2 tile between my cities. I think my largest city is pop 22-24, and only 12-15 of these are 'working' citizens. And since I've had 8 luxuries since 450 AD or so and I've got marketplaces in all cities, all is well... :)

Thank you Darkness!:) Based on these conversations, I know exactly what I must do to improve my game. From now on, I will squeeze another city in between those cities that have unhappy people. Instead of adjusting the luxury slider and counting on the Cure for Cancer, I will just go head and build more cities in between to eliminate any unhappiness.:)

Moonsinger, you were right in my Chieftain thread about my packing my cities in too tight, but I'm glad to see your gaining appreciation for the theory!

Darkness,
i noticed in your regent HOF game that you had 3 tiles between cities, and now you are talking of 2 tiles. did you change to this in your current game? which spacing works best for you?

@Moonsinger: You're welcome! :D I never though I could teach you something about this game... :blush:

@Takeo: Cool, someone checked out my game! :D You're correct in your observation Takeo. I did make a change in city placement style. I did this during recent GOTM's, in particular GOTM21 and 22, and IMHO that was a large factor in my improved play (especially in GOTM22).
I am now very much convinced that my new (2-tile spacing) style is better, because you win/lose the game in the early stages, and then you have only small cities, so why space them wide and lose out on all those tiles that could be worked. And by spacing my cities closer I have more cities with good/reasonable production, due to a smaller effect of corruption due to distance. Although the corruptio due to city rank is bigger, I still think this is better.

BTW I played another 40 turns in my warlord game last night and I can now say I already have the highest warlord score ever (maybe there was a higher score when huge maps were larger, but I don't know)! :D It's now 1750 AD in my game, so there are still 200 turns to play and I already have slightly over 11K in points. Though my increase per turn is down to somewhere between 40-45 per turn, I'm not really sure, I think I can add another couple of thousand points to this.
All my cities are just on wealth right now, with 3 or 4 exceptions, who are building the interesting wonders. I've got all city improvements I want in my cities, so it's just milking all the way to the finish line now... :)

Originally posted by Darkness
BTW I played another 40 turns in my warlord game last night and I can now say I already have the highest warlord score ever (maybe there was a higher score when huge maps were larger, but I don't know)!

Congratulations! As we sometimes say in America: Got milk?

Sounds like a great game, Darkness! looking forward to see it:)
I've never been able to apply ICS to my games, I like my size-12 cities too much for that.:)

Originally posted by Mazarin
Sounds like a great game, Darkness! looking forward to see it:)
I've never been able to apply ICS to my games, I like my size-12 cities too much for that.:)

It's not ICS actually. ICS is when you have roughly up to 6 working tiles for each city, my cities have more, so most of them (maybe 20 or so are not) are size 16-22.

Played until 1850 AD last night. Though my increase in score is now down to 33 per turn, my score is now 12910 points... [dance]

This will be the last update before I finish the game. I hope I can finish it this week, in time for the next update...

It's now 1980 AD in my game, and my increase in score per turn has dropped to a meager 23 points, giving me a total score of 15114 points. :D

i might be able to finish my attempt this week also. was hoping to get it submitted before you, so i could have the top position for just 1 week.;) excellent on your game Darkness:goodjob: you will eclipse the current no.1 by about 50% and congrats on getting one of the top scores in the viking gotm:goodjob:

Originally posted by Takeo
and congrats on getting one of the top scores in the viking gotm:goodjob:

Thanks Takeo! I thought I'd go out with a bang in the GOTM. It's nice to go out near the top! :D

Darkness-are you saying that you are no longer playing the GOTM or you are quitting civ3?

Nah, I'm way too addicted to this game to stop playing civ! :blush:
I just stopped playing the GOTM...

Originally posted by Darkness
Nah, I'm way too addicted to this game to stop playing civ! :blush:
I just stopped playing the GOTM...

I think I'll eventually get back into GOTM, now that it looks more interesting (than say a year ago). I've just never been that good with deadlines that aren't work related. Glad you're not calling quits on the HOF. You obviously have some talent!:goodjob:

Originally posted by superslug


I think I'll eventually get back into GOTM, now that it looks more interesting (than say a year ago).

Actually, I disagree with that. It's becoming more and more like a mod, and I prefer a straight-up game of civ. But if you're looking for a change of pace game, it's great...

OK, I just submitted my warlord game.
I finished it last night by conquering the last AI city in 2049 AD, resulting in a conquest win. I also completed the last spaceship part in 2050 AD and I got a huge cultural expansion in 2050 AD but the game said a conquest win was what it was...

I had something strange happening though. It was my understanding that if you build the Internet wonder you get a free research lab that same turn in all your cities. With 2 cpt this is ideal for a last turn teritory expansion if you complete the Internet in 2046 AD.
However, this is NOT true! When I checked all my cities in 2049 AD (just before conquering the last Celts city, I saw that about 2 dozen cities of mine had only 6 culture, so the had gotten their research lab a turn AFTER I had completed the Internet. :confused: Very strange. Of course I just rushed a temple in these cities to get my planned cultural expansions anyway.

@Aeson: The Zipfile I sent you contains my 4000BC, 10AD and 2050AD save. If you prefer to have the 2049AD save, just let me know, and I'll send it to you.


This game took 108 hours, 46 minutes and 15 second and my score is:


:band:

16513 points! :D

Congratulations, Darkness! I wish I was going to have mine finished on time for the update, but alas, I probably won't.

Good job, Darkness!!:goodjob:
i submitted mine last night also. i had to end it about 65 turns early cause babylon was about to finish their spaceship. so in 1985 i called in a vote and got diplo victory with 11055 pts.

Originally posted by Darkness
This game took 108 hours, 46 minutes and 15 second and my score is:

:band:

16513 points! :D

Congratulations Darkness!:goodjob: [party] Would you join Cartouche Bee and you know who at the Chieftain level, next?;)

Originally posted by Takeo
i submitted mine last night also. i had to end it about 65 turns early cause babylon was about to finish their spaceship. so in 1985 i called in a vote and got diplo victory with 11055 pts.

You too Takeo!:goodjob: Congratulations for the second place behide Darkness!:) More party...

[party]

Originally posted by Moonsinger


Congratulations Darkness!:goodjob: [party] Would you join Cartouche Bee and you know who at the Chieftain level, next?;)

Maybe I will. I was actually thinking on seeing how far my expansionist approach would get me on monarch level, but maybe I'll try chieftain next...

Everyone's finishing their games before the update cutoff but me...:eek: ...I feel so embarassed...:cry:

Congratulations, everyone.:goodjob: