I think it's a safe assumption most of us are playing Pangaea/Huge maps. I'm just curious what everyone's MapStat domination limits are? Tilewise, not population.

My current game tells me I'll cap out at 3612.

the domination limit on my current warlord game is 3928 and it is a huge/continents map.

Originally posted by Takeo
the domination limit on my current warlord game is 3928 and it is a huge/continents map.

3928???!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's almost 10% more than me. You'll be able to squeeze in more population, land and hence points.:goodjob:

I should start running my 4000bc's through MapStat and be more choosy about my maps, huh?:cry: :mad: :rolleyes:

My current warlord game has a domination limit of 3723.

@Takeo: wow, that is awsome, you should be able to outscore my game, based solely on the domination limit, however, pangaea would have been a better choice for a high scoring game, IMHO...

In all my games, I have never gotten anything more than 3762.:cry: The domination limit for my empire game is 3751.

Originally posted by Darkness

@Takeo: wow, that is awsome, you should be able to outscore my game, based solely on the domination limit, however, pangaea would have been a better choice for a high scoring game, IMHO...

well im about 400 tiles below the domination limit. i played continents so i could quickly destroy everyone on my continent before they met anyone else on the other one. then im keeping everyone happy on the other continent to go for a diplomatic victory. i did get some towns in on the other continent, but not many. at the end of the game i will gift those to the carthage. right now for some reason they are furious with me, but babylon and the arabs aren't. carthage has the least land area right now, so i'll gift those few cities to them to make them the other candidate. the only way i could get up to the limit would be to take carthaginian land, but they need it to be a candidate.

@Takeo: You're playing a risky game here, my friend...
By leaving a couple of AI's in the game uncurbed, you risk them going to war, resulting in a shift in powerbalance, which may even lead to one, quite powerful opponent. IIRC you said this game is at warlord level, so there's no (or very little) risk of them getting a spaceship.

Wouldn't it be a better (safer) idea to just take those 400 tiles you need to get just below the domination limit and raze the rest of the AI cities. Then you just leave 1 small AI city and you get loads of free guest workers. This way you can't get a diplomatic win, but the other 5 victory conditions are possible...

Takeo, I think Darkness is right. You should go ahead and finish off the AI completely and leave them only one heavily garrisoned city. You'll not only prevent war, but have the map to yourself and can disband all military except for the AI quarantine.

If you do that, there's no need to worry about a victory condition, just break the Domination limit at the end of 2049...

i have a backup plan of a spaceship to finish on the last turn. i'll just prebuild some large item that can be switched over for the last turn if needed. also have a city going for 20,000 culture to finish at 2050, but have never tried this before and don't know if i could work that one out. i'm trying to play this way cause there isn't another diplo victory on the warlord list and i like the risk. the other 3 civs do not like each other, so i'm sure they would not vote for each other. 2 are polite at the moment and carthage is furious. if carthage does not have the 2nd most land at the end, then i will gift them a bunch of cities to ensure they are a candidate. then declare war on them at the end and bring in the other two. if that doesn't work, then there is the spaceship.

The Domination limit for my old Civ 1.17f Iroquois game was 4752.

Originally posted by Aeson
The Domination limit for my old Civ 1.17f Iroquois game was 4752.

I'm curious, Aeson, was that game the game? The legendary 60,000 pointer I've heard of?

Yep. I think 1.21f introduced smaller Huge maps.

Originally posted by Aeson
Yep. I think 1.21f introduced smaller Huge maps.

I know that was a change in one of the patches, I guess it was that one...

Yep, that's the one...

my limit on a huge/60%/pangea is 3669 tiles. I guess that continets will give a higher domination limit because there are more coast tiles.

Originally posted by Mazarin
my limit on a huge/60%/pangea is 3669 tiles. I guess that continets will give a higher domination limit because there are more coast tiles.

I'm not sure I follow that thought, water tiles don't count...

coast tile do count, IIRC. Continents or 'pelageo maps should "need" more coastal tiles to surround the same amount of land than pangea, therefore the domination limit would be bigger.

Ocean and sea do not count for the domination limit, but coast tiles do count!

Doh! I was getting confused over my tile definitions!

Is mapstat allowed before you know the world map?

Originally posted by DaveMcW
Is mapstat allowed before you know the world map?

I would assume so. For one thing, no one's ever asked that before IIRC. For another, Aeson reads these threads and knows how much we rely on it...

For purposes of avoiding the domination limit, Mapstat should only be necessary for use after the map is (mostly) uncovered. Reloading in case of accidental domination is also allowed.

Using Mapstat prior to the map being known would be valuable in helping you pick out a map with a high domination limit though. The HOF shouldn't be about who lucks out and gets the most land tiles on their randomly generated map. So it's ok with me to check the domination limit on a new game with Mapstat. Using the information given by Mapstat on other civs would be a definite no-no still though.

Originally posted by Aeson
For purposes of avoiding the domination limit, Mapstat should only be necessary for use after the map is (mostly) uncovered. Reloading in case of accidental domination is also allowed.

Using Mapstat prior to the map being known would be valuable in helping you pick out a map with a high domination limit though. The HOF shouldn't be about who lucks out and gets the most land tiles on their randomly generated map. So it's ok with me to check the domination limit on a new game with Mapstat. Using the information given by Mapstat on other civs would be a definite no-no still though.

Cool!:cool: That was exactly what I did on selecting the map for my current Chieftain game (the rest of my other map selection for the previous games were simply based on luck). Basically, at 4000 BC before I build my first cities, I check the domination limit, if it's below 3750, I reject it immediately. Then I don't check the map again until after 1000 AD or whenever I think I'm getting close the domination limit. Btw, the domination limit for my current Chieftain game is 3827. Since I have never seen anything more than 37xx before, I immediately accepted this one although the starting position wasn't very good.:)

The domination limit on my current map is 3824, so I'm three tiles under Moonsinger. However, unlike Moonsinger, I like my starting position:

3800+??? Wow :eek:
I consider myself lucky if I get around 3750 or so... I've never had a domination limit of more than 3760, IIRC, which is why I am also quite pleased with my start for my new monarch game, which has a domination limit of 3747...

It took me almost ten hours of generating maps before I hit that one, for what that's worth. The starting position wound up not being as hot as it looked either. One of the huts dumped barbarians out and the other gave me a stupid map.

Hi guys, :)

some days ago I was trying to find a good map on emperor and I got one map with a domination limit of 4051 tiles and another one with 4009, but both starting positions were not that good. My current game on chieftain level has a domination limit of 3721 :(

4000+ domination limits!!! :eek:
I wish I had a domination limit like that (coupled with a start like I have now for my monarch game)....

Originally posted by superslug
The domination limit on my current map is 3824, so I'm three tiles under Moonsinger. However, unlike Moonsinger, I like my starting position:

I have abandoned that game. The starting position wasn't good plus I have made so many mistake too. Oh well, back to map quest again.

Hi Guys,

My current Cheftain game, huge, pangea has domination limit of 3776. I was thinking that it was one of the highest... bummer. Someone actually has 3928, wow! I think I need to get back to generating maps and mapstat.

Hey, RAj! Welcome to CFC!

I'd just like to point out that while higher domination limits do raise the 'ceiling' on potential score, the variance between 3600 tiles and 3900 is only about 3%. I think the true factors in getting a high score are the ability to hit the domination limit as quickly as possible and skill in milking the crap out of the game as well as possible for as long as possible.

I do have a 3900+ tile limit in my current game, but I'm not a great milker. I think it's safe to say that Moonsinger and SirPleb, as well as several others, could easily topple my 3xxx scores using 1xxxx tiles.

Hi Superslug,

I appreciate the warm welcome. You guys are great. I am in the process of a milking a game currently. Description - Indians, huge, pangea, domination limit 3663 tiles, current year 1768, current score 2905. I think I started late but hope to be able to make it to a score of around 6000 and find my way into HOF. At present I have 110 tiles before hitting domination, 4505 people (Mapstat), 82% approval rate.

Hey RAj,

What level is that game?

BTW, I started another new game on monarch level in the weekend, with a domination limit of 3808. Not very high, but pretty good, with a nice start...

Hi Darkness,

Oops forgot to metion, its cheftain level. I am still a novice. Though I do end up reading a lot of posting in the forum but I have'nt found the opportunity to implement all of them.

3808 is an excellent start, Darkness. In my map searching efforts yesterday (cheftain, huge, pangea, 4 Bil, Wet, Warm, default rules, sedentary, America) I came across a 3921 domination limit. But it don't look like a good start.

IMHO, 5 billion years old would be better. Less mountain, more grassland!

I know 3800+ is good. Actually everything above 3700 is pretty nice, but I always want more! :D

Hey, just though I'd mention my 3918 domination limit on my emperor game. Plus its a grassland, river and 3 cow start. Its also got lots of bonus tiles. I got 3 4-turn settler factories going just to say something about the land.

That sounds very promising Rallonian. :)