So I decided to try monarch level this time around (sorry Moonsinger, but chieftain seems a little crowded right now ;) ) and after rejecting roughly 100 maps I came up with a nice one. I am playing as the Americans, again :crazyeye: .
As usual, it's a huge pangaea, warm, wet 5 billion years, sedentary barbs and 8 AI's. So I checked mapstat and my domination limit is 3747. Pretty good, but not as huge as the ones superslug and Moonsinger have for their chieftain games.
My start was in the south west corner of the world, and it is all grassland and some plains and it had a river and some wheat in it, so I decided to look around a bit. I sent my worker NW, to work the wheat tile, which left east open for exploration, so the scout went 2 tiles east, uncovering my first GH. And I liked what I saw. Therefor I settled Washington at the start position and went on a 40-turn research gambit for CB (I checked the space race and there are quite a few religious AI's in this game, 3 IIRC, so I figured I'd be able to buy/trade it fast and move on to the next tech, as well as blocking the monarchy path, so increasing my chances for republic pre-requisites from GH's). There are a LOT of bonus tiles near my start, so I think I can get at least 2 settler factories up and running.
The intraturn passed without incident and so I proceeded to pop my first GH.
AND I GOT A SETTLER!!!!! IN 3950 BC!!!!!! :D

I haven't played this game very far yet, only to 3000 BC. I've got 4 scouts (for now) running around and I appear to be on a quite big peninsula, with a huge load of jungle to the north, behind which some AI's better be hidden "cause I haven't met any yet. :(
Both Washington and New York are building granaries right now, to set up settler factories (Washington's nearly finished), so my expansion will start soon.

I don't know how fast this game will go, 'cause RL is pretty busy for me right now, but I'll try to keep you (those that are interested anyway :D ) posted....

And here's my map in 3950 BC. Pretty nice, isn't it?

All those food tiles are making me hungry. Yes, pretty good indeed. Good luck!

And both starting cities are right on the river too.:) Good luck Darkness! It rarely get any better than this.

OK, I just bought myself a new aquarium, so my RL got even more busy than it was. I guess the next update on this game is at least two weeks away... :(

I just gave up on this attempt. The start was super, but after that it went downhill...
I had 2 major problems in this game:
1 - No luxuries available for me. The closest was 48 tiles away and that was the only one I could get to before any of the AI's... :(
2 - Bad terrain. Around my great start there was a small (10 tiles around my capital in all directions) area with prime terrain, after that there was only desert/mountains to the north. To the other 3 directions there was the sea, as I was on a peninsula. There also was an insane amount of jungle between me and the closest competitor (the Iroquois).

So I gave up on this one. But I started another attempt...

Again, monarch level, with the same map characteristics as my first moarch level attempt. One change though, I'm now playing as the Ottomans.

I started generating maps last night and after only 3 tries I came up with the one I'm playing now. I'm approaching 1000BC and I think I'm doing quite well. I'm not expanding as fast as I want to, but that's because the start is good, but not super, like my first attempt.
I've attached the start below, and before you all start asking why I'm playing such a (slightly above) average start, I'll explain...
The Domination limit for this map is 3949 tiles! :) :D
That's the highest I've ever seen in my games... :D
And it took me only three tries to get this map.... :D

My start:

that's a good start with the cow...and that's such a good domination limit. i never get anything above 3700 for some reason.

Well, the start was definately not perfect, 'cause I only have 16 towns in 1000 BC with 4 settlers en route...
I am first in score already (of the known world that is) with 305 points. I am really missing my expansionists' scouts, 'cause I still haven't met 3 of the AI's. I've already got a tech lead, with Republic being reserached right now (20 or so turns remaining).
My problem is again luxuries, 'cause I've got one hooked up, but that's all I'm going to get without a fight. Fortunately for me, my nearest neighbours are technologically backward and they have 3 luxuries... :evil:
I expect my expansion to really take of from now on because I finished the Pyramids this turn. :D

@wohmongarinf00l: I don't usually get them this big either. The highest I have had in my games, before this one, is 3740 or something like that, so in this game I've got around 200 extra tiles to play with. :)

Hopefully snagging a luxury and having the Pyramids will give your game some nice kick. Personally, I'm still not convinced that 3900+ tile maps are worth the effort given they seem to give crappy starting locations. Then again, maybe we're just not doing the ctrl-shift-q enough.

I'm not convinced either, but I saw a grassland start with a cow and a river, and then I saw the 3949 tile domination limit and I just figured I'd give it a try...

I don't blame you, it's a great starting location. I just get really picky, I don't usually roll with something unless I see bonus grassland tiles, a river, food and a luxury. That's one of the reasons I don't really have a game in progress right now, I'm trying to find a map with that location around 4000 tiles. Needless to say it's taking a while.

Of course Conquests is right around the corner, and if until Aeson clears it as legal, I'll likely drop out of the HOF fun for a while and see what changes were made to it after I dropped out of the beta testing.

So in 10 AD I had only 66 cities and some settlers running around.
I'm in a republican government, researching theology (2 turns remaining)
I don't think this is going to be a very good game but I'll keep playing it anyway. I'm still on only one luxury, which hurts my ability to research, so I'll have to take out the Celts (who have 3 luxuries) soon, but I'll wait for my Sipahi to come around I think. I'm going for education (universities) and then straight to military tradition.
Rome just extorted me for currency. I had no choice but giving in as my military still consists of 6 warriors... :D
After I get my universities online I'll start mass producing horseman, followed by a mass upgrade to Sipahi's (I've got invention and I'm getting Leo's in 11 turns, IIRC).

There's one GH still around near my territory, but I'm afraid to pop it as there are no military units near and there could be barbarians in the hut, ready to decimate my workforce.

My score is now 897 points, up 24 from last turn.

My guess is I'll make the HoF on monarch level with this game, but it won't be a top score because I'm seriously lacking luxuries in this game...

one thing i have found that works great if u intend to do ur own research and u can't guarantee the availability of luxuries is to build library/marketplace/bank/university in that order so that maintenance costs and science spending are taken care of from domestic revenue.

Yes that generally works. Only I plan to bee-line for military tradition after education, so i won't get banking until later. So, regrettably that strategy won't work in this game... :(

Well, the very obviuos lack of luxuries has forced me to abandon this game. :(
But I started a new one. I'll let you know how it goes after I've played it some more...

How do you know what is your domination limit?:confused:

Originally posted by Alone
How do you know what is your domination limit?:confused:
The wonderful Mapstat program! (http://www.civfanatics.net/files/civ3/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=38) It's legal to use to check your domination limit of a map at 4000bc, provided that you do not use the scroll menu on it to find out who the opponents are. Only look at the your domination limit...

Actually, if you press F10 and look at the space race, you can learn who your opponents are in 4000BC without using mapstat...

Thanks for the tips:)
One more thing (and will not bodering you anymore), how do you guys snapshott this screanshot from game?

Maybe I will try soon to menage something in warlord, tiny map...:crazyeye:

Screenies:
In the came, press PRINTSCREEN on your key board. Then open a graphics program like paint or so, and paste... Then save as jpg or whatever you prefer. :)

Originally posted by Darkness
Actually, if you press F10 and look at the space race, you can learn who your opponents are in 4000BC without using mapstat...

:eek: :confused: The reason I was mentioning not using MapStat to check on opponents was that Aeson had said in a post (don't recall which thread) that doing so would be considered cheating. Wouldn't the F10 trick be illegal as well then?

AFAIK it's not considered cheating in the GOTM so why would it be considered cheating in games for the HoF?

I'll see if I can find the post from Aeson.

It was on this page:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63953&perpage=10&display=&pagenumber=3

Having reread it, I'm not so sure now! He says that using information from MapStat on other civs is a no-no, and I just assumed that to mean not identifying them, but I guess that post could be interpreted as not looking up their territory/population. A ruling from him is probably in order.

As a matter of fact, I wonder if we should suggest a rules/FAQ sticky thread, since there's a number of 'rulings' and future plannings he's mentioned in the forums here that would be useful to have all in one place.

Anyway, since HOF has the highest post-per-moderator-view-average of anywhere on CFC, I probably should get back on topic. Darkness, any luck with new map generation?

Originally posted by superslug
Darkness, any luck with new map generation?

No, not yet. :( Maybe sometime next week, I'm a little short on time right now.

I'll PM Aeson about the other thing, OK?

A PM sounds good! If it turns out it is legal to look at who the AI are, but not their stats, then knowing who the opponents are could be useful information. :) I hope I misunderstood his post...

I think you will find that using Mapstat to discover who your opponents are and what your domination limits are is legal. Using Maptstat to find out how many tiles your opponents have is illegal, as it allows you to determine who you will face in a UN vote, and whether or not wiping out a particuluar civ will be enough to get to the domination limit, as this would affect what diplomatic agreements you may choose to make etc.

Using F10 to find out who the other civs are is acceptable. There is no need to use Mapstat to do the same thing.

Thanks Aeson! :)

OK, I've started a new game. Again as the Ottomans with all the usual settings. I've got a domination limit of 3808 tiles. It's now 450 BC in my game and it's looking quite good, although I think the techpace is quite slow (maybe too slow :( ). I'll post more info and a picture when I've reached 10 AD (and if I decide to follow though with this game)...

Slow tech paces are one of the reason's I abandoned the Ottomans in favor of the Chinese, since I can use the Rider and then still use Cavalry. Then again, that's in large part because I still haven't mastered the research angle fully yet. I'm far too reliant on popping huts and/or the Great Library.

I'll be very interested in seeing your performance, as may likely bump down my current game (where-ever it lands) down a spot.

I don't think being the Ottomans has anything to do with the slow techpace, actually. I realize that if the techpace is slow it's better to have the rider than the sipahi 'cause the rider is available sooner. Fortunately there is enough empty space to settle in my game to keep me busy to halfway through the MA.
There are a couple of other reasons for the slow techpace though:
- The map is not a true pangaea, so 2 (expansionist!) civs are on a small island in the NE, which slows down the techpace on account of both less contacts to trade with and less GH's to pop for the expansionist civs.
- I got no (ZERO) techs from GH's :( I usually get at least 3 or 4 butnot this time. And I opened at least 25-30 techs, with me getting barbarians around 15-20 times... :(
- The AI doesn't contribute much, researchwise. The only tech I got from the AI (besides the starting techs) was map making. I had to research the rest myself...

But there are also good sides to this game. Like I have the Pyramids (around 900 BC, IRRC) and I got a 4-turn anarchy to republic (800 BC), and my FP is almost finished. There's also enough open land around me to do a serious settler flood, and I can get at least 3, maybe 4 luxuries without a fight..

You're right, the Ottomans have nothing to do with the tech pace. The freebies actually theoretically help. You mentioned all that I meant, that with the Rider I can go to war earlier. My early game is far far weaker than most everyone else competing here, so I find free AI slaves a great way to 'catch up'.

OK, I abandoned this one too. Back to map generating I guess.
I think I may be becoming a bit to demanding when it comes to maps and techpace... :(

Originally posted by Darkness
OK, I abandoned this one too. Back to map generating I guess.
I think I may be becoming a bit to demanding when it comes to maps and techpace... :(

I'm sorry to hear this, I was looking forward to some competition on the level.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by superslug


I'm sorry to hear this, I was looking forward to some competition on the level.:rolleyes:

Don't worry! You'll get all the competition you want...
As soon as I generate a decent map that is. :rolleyes:

It looks like you're going to get some competition after all....

After three or four nights of generating starts I came across this one. Now I've only played it to 3000 AD yet, 'cause by then it waws 1:30 in the morning, but I like what I see so far.
Domination limit: 3834.
Settings as usual, 1 luxury 6 tiles away from my capital (not visible on the map shown below)...

My start:

Oh that's good!

At this time I have 17 cities and 2 settlers running around.
My military consists of 23 warriors and a pair of horseman, as well as 15 or so workers.
I have no city improvements yet, though I did build 2 wonders. :D
The colossus in Bursa in 1450 BC (Superscience city?)
The Pyramids in Edirne in 1275 BC :D
I'm researching the Republic , due in 6 turns
I've met 7 of the 8 AI's, and nobody knows the last one (Japan, IIRC).
1 luxury connected and I'm reaching for a second....
Score: 327 (I'm in the lead), with an increase of 6 per turn.
According to the democramics I'm in the lead in all the important categories.
My nearest neighbours are the Peace-loving Aztecs and Zulu's. Should be fun :D

A picture says more than a thousand words:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Darkpic1000BC.jpg

Good spread! I do have two questions: I see you've built embassies, do you have ROP's? Also, is the Oracle a prebuild or are you going for it specifically?

No ROP's, but I'm considering signing them with the Aztecs and the Zulu, my nearest neighbours. They are known for their aggression, so the ROP may well be worth it.
The oracle is definately a pre-build. It's a useless wonder.

Researched Republic in 875 BC, and immediately revolted. Got lucky and drew a 4-turn anarchy. After this our real expansion began. :)
Sun Tzu’s built around 250 BC (palace prebuild), Leo’s (oracle prebuild) up in 2 turns. FP is constructed in 210 BC some 7 tiles S (in Salonika) of Istanbul, anticipating a palace jump later.
I've been signing ROP's with everyone (except Japan, because I haven't met them yet. They must be on an island somewhere), making some money and keeping everyone peaceful towards me. Which helps, 'cause my army consists of 3 horseman. :D

In 10 AD:
79 cities and 4 settlers, 109 workers, 1 guest worker
We’re now researching chemistry.
2 luxuries, horses and saltpeter hooked up. Iron inside our territory but not hooked up.

Score: 1106, with a 26 point increase per turn.

Right now I’m building marketplaces and libraries in my core, to get my economy up and running…
I’m beelining for military tradition, after which the Zulu will meet my Sipahi :evil:

This is my empire:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/Darkpic10AD.jpg

Holy crap! That's almost identical to the grid layout I used in my current game! Although based on your start, you're probably well on your way to knocking the living daylights out of my projected score...:wallbash:

I first tried this grid when playing GOTM19 (also with the Ottomans) and it worked like a charm. I also used it for my no. 1 score on warlord level. I find it to be the perfect compromise between early game production and late game milking potential...

excellent start! have you sent out a settler, on a long trek, for an eventual palace jump?

have a question about the amount of workers you have-

--do you train a worker after you found each town?
--do you train a settler first, then a worker in each new town?
--or do you have worker factories going?

i never seem to be able to have that many workers unitl later in the game. i figure that traing a worker sets my population back and instead try to get out another settler.

@Takeo:
No there's no settler on a long trek, I'll just jump my palace to the Zulu lands after they're gone (with a leader)

Worker Q's:
- yes, if possible foodwise
- Always a worker first and then either another worker or a settler
- I had one going near my capital, which had a five food surplus, but only 5 shields per turns, so I couldn't make it into a settler factory. So this town became my worker factory...

My current game is my first effort with the 2-tile-gap-diamond layout, and it's working far better than past layouts I've used, although I'll probably tinker with it in my next game, rather than running just one big anal grid.

On average, I try to do one worker factory and two settler factories in my core (rest on military). After the core/rings, I always do a worker first. After that, it's usually nothing but settlers for cities on grassland or who have bonus food and/or flood plains. Everyone else makes workers until they're irrigated enough to make settlers.

After spreading over my part of the world like a virus ;) , I began to build marketplaces and libraries in my core, and after that I started on horseman (I only had 3 horseman as my entire army at this point). I now have around 30 and I'm building 5 or 6 each turn, with military tradition up in six turns. Since I built both SunTzu's and Leo's I can upgrade where I want and very cheap, so in 7 turns I'll attack the Zulu (our ROP runs out in 3 turns)...
My score is nearly 1500 points right now and it increases with 27-28 ppt...
The next dozen turns or so are going to be interesting I think... :D

i think the zulus are too close...the southern tip of india/scandinavia looks better and u could probably get a city from them as part of a peace deal in a bloodless war

Originally posted by wohmongarinf00l
i think the zulus are too close...the southern tip of india/scandinavia looks better and u could probably get a city from them as part of a peace deal in a bloodless war

:confused:
I'm not sure I understand you correctly. I don't want a bloodless war. The ZUlu are hidering my expansion and I want them gone. In 7 turns I'll have access to Sipahi, so I'll crush them and get a GA at the same time as I expand (maybe even double) my teritory...

BTW: Neither India or Scandinavia are in this game (I think you mean Carthage and the Iroquois) ;)

oh sorry...i meant for the palace jump if u are using it.

Originally posted by wohmongarinf00l
oh sorry...i meant for the palace jump if u are using it.

Sure I'm going to palace jump. At this point the FP and the palace site are maybe 6 tiles apart, so I don't have much choice but to jump. But I think I'll just jump it to the Zulu lands after I conquer them, or maybe Persia...

Originally posted by Darkness
Sure I'm going to palace jump. At this point the FP and the palace site are maybe 6 tiles apart, so I don't have much choice but to jump. But I think I'll just jump it to the Zulu lands after I conquer them, or maybe Persia...

Well, don't wait too long. In the average game, we usually need to move our palace at least twice.

Originally posted by Moonsinger


Well, don't wait too long. In the average game, we usually need to move our palace at least twice.

I know. It's now 370 AD in my game and I'm already steamrolling over the Zulu. Already half a dozen of my Sipahi are elite, so I should be able to get a GL before the Zulu are extinct. Then I can jump my palace to the center of the Zulu lands, and maybe later I'll move it to Persia...

It's now 600 AD and my game is going pretty nice, except for one small thing... I couldn't get a GL before the Zulu were goners...

But no worries, I got one a little later.

330 AD - Military tradition researched. Around 15 horseman upgraded to Sipahi. Then I'm out of money, so I'll use my GA generating money for the upgrade of another 80 horseman.

340 AD - We declare war on the Zulu and trigger a GA. Mass upgrading continues to until around 480 AD.

490 AD (I think) - Zulu are extinct. Some distant cities delayed this joyous event, but alas, no GL.

500 AD - We declare war on both Persia and the Aztecs. We have around 25 Sipahi going after the Aztecs and 65 (from the Zulu war) will deal with the Persians.

510 AD - 1st GL. We'll save him for a Palace jump to the center of the Persian lands, 'cause they are way better than the jungle infested former Zulu teritories.

540 AD? - Palace Jump.

600 AD - Persians reduced to a single settler and Aztecs have one city left. We have also gotten a second GL, which rushed Copernicus in our Colossus city.
1 turn left on magnetism research, after which we'll enter the Industral Age, and maybe get Steam Power as our free tech...

Status:
5 luxuries hooked up, number six will be some 10 turns away I think. Horses, Iron and Saltpeter hooked up.
Score: Around 2600 I think (I'm not sure and I can't check as I am at work), increase around 60 ppt.

I think I'll attack America and the Iroquois next... :evil:
One thing that annoys me is the Ai's incompetence when placing cities, which forces me to relocate a lot of them... :mad:

Darkness, I've privately wondered for some time which of the two of us was the better player. There's no doubt in my mind at this moment that is most definitively you...

Originally posted by superslug
Darkness, I've privately wondered for some time which of the two of us was the better player. There's no doubt in my mind at this moment that is most definitively you...

Don't know about that. Your China monarch game was pretty impressive. I do think you could improve your opening play, because from what I can see, you are usually making less progress than I am in the early game...
You often say you use a lot of cities producing military in the early game. That is the most obvious difference between the two of us I think, 'cause I only build some warriors to expand and a few to MP in my larger core cities and maybe a couple of horseman to block AI advancement towards sites I want for my new cities. Maybe you should consider building less military in the early game, but I am not sure. It could be just a difference in style after all.

BTW, thanks for the kind words.... :)

Originally posted by superslug
Darkness, I've privately wondered for some time which of the two of us was the better player. There's no doubt in my mind at this moment that is most definitively you...

Don't worry slugy, at least you are much better player than me.:D

If I may notice from Darkness progres in game, it's too much fight for my taste at this high level. I've played many times on Regent (also always win) and few times on Monarch (not that successfully) but it's too much tenssion for me, so I always go back to Warlord were game is much more relaxing, and thats what I need and what I realy want, to enjoy in slowly and easy play. Thats why I probably will not go for any kind of attempt to break the points record (for now).

OK, it's now 750 AD in my game and I now control the entire continent. There are 3 AI remaining in this game. The Spanish have a settler on a ship somewhere. Carthage has one city on a small island (I'm already sailing towards it with half a dozen Sipahi) and only Japan remains untouched. That is not a problem, 'cause they have never had contact with anybody but me so they're still in the Ancient age.... :D Besides my fleet is already on the way...
I've spawned 9 GL's already in this game (2 armies, 2 palace jumps, Heroic Epic, Military Academy, Copernicus' , Newtons' and one I've saved and he is now on his way to Japan with my army, to rush a harbor, 'cause the only sources of gems are on Japans island).

I have steam power (free tech :D ), electricity and replacable parts of the industrial age techs and I'm now researching democracy, to be ready to go into full milking mode when Japan is destroyed...

Score: 3852 points, with a 102 ppt increase.
I control 3298 tiles (domination limit: 3834)

Here's a picture of my lands
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Darkpic750AD.jpg

BTW, my turns take at least two hours each.... :( I've got about a hundred SIpahi running around and at least 450 workers, plus some ships looking for that Spanish settler.... :eek:

I killed that spanish settler 2 turns later, right after I eliminated Carthage's last city (and they, fortunately, didn't have a settler sailing around somewhere). So, now it's just me and Japan. :evil: I already declared war and I have established a beachhead on Japan's island. There's about 2 dozen Sipahi in that town, and Japan keeps throwing units at it. I think I've killed at least 100 Japanese units (lost 3 sipahi) in the last 3 turns. I also generated my 10th leader (with a defensive battle!) there. That leader has sailed home and will rush Smith's when it comes available. I'm shipping 10-12 sipahi towards Japan each turn, so the offensive shouldd start soon.
I'm also in anarchy right now. I researched democracy last turn and I decided to switch, so I can milk some 300 turns in democracy... :D
I'm about 350 tiles short of the doimination limit, but that'll change soon, and then I'll start replacing cities to better terrain...

Is the Japanese island not a good place for a Palace exploitation jump? You could use the leader to move it there and then teleport your whole army...

Originally posted by superslug
Is the Japanese island not a good place for a Palace exploitation jump? You could use the leader to move it there and then teleport your whole army...

I might try that, but it's pretty close to my original core. But I'm pretty sure I'll get another leader(at least 2 dozen elite sipahi running around), so this one will definately go to Smiths', because I need a boost in income to buy marketplaces/aquaducts/hostpitals....

Sounds like a good plan! I'm really really impressed with your execution in this game. As you've no doubt seen in my Emperor thread, I've yet to truly master some concepts you're currently seemingly breezing with!

I simply keep increasing my basic grasp of the game, and I combined that with some tricks (gifting techs to scientific civs, etcetera), combined with the excellent civ traits of the Ottomans plus their UU (the best in the game IMHO), and a good start location. That's it. I had a pretty good expansion phase, but what seperates this game from my earlier submissions to is the efficiency with which the sipahi take care of enemy units. My conquest was amizingly fast, IMHO

And I think the GA was perfectly timed in this game. During the Zulu wars (first 10 turns of the GA) I built 5 sipahi each turn and I generated money to upgrade 5 others, and kept 4-turn research going... :D.

Originally posted by Darkness
And I think the GA was perfectly timed in this game. During the Zulu wars (first 10 turns of the GA) I built 5 sipahi each turn and I generated money to upgrade 5 others, and kept 4-turn research going... :D.
I have to give credit to the Ottomans as well. I just hate using them because everyone else does. My current war/GA is impeccable too, I'm getting about a dozen myself too. Expansion, I'm improving at, milking, I'm good at, but I still haven't got a clue how you folks are getting four turn research. I'm still buying off the AI most of the time...

How goes the game, Darkness?

The reason I ask is that I've all but given up Emperor, I can't seem to hack it at that level just yet, at least for HOF games. I've decided to drop back down to Monarch...I tried waiting until I get Conquests for Christmas (I hope) to play again, but just about had a nervous breakdown not playing...

Originally posted by superslug
How goes the game, Darkness?


Slow, very slow.... :(

I just have very little time due to RL commitments atm. I'm almost fully milking now, 'cause only Japan remains with about 10 cities, but he has only horseman, spearman and archers. So I'm GL farming really. Unfortunately this, coupled with 600+ workers, means my turns are like 90 minutes each...

BTW: I'm also getting C3C for christmas! I :love2: my girlfriend! :)

Originally posted by Darkness
BTW: I'm also getting C3C for christmas! I :love2: my girlfriend! :)

Man, that's rough! How are you going to choose between them? Coin flip? Lottery?

Originally posted by superslug


How are you going to choose between them?

Simple! I'll be away from my computer until january 6th, so she'll get all my time before that (she's getting me the game so I should show 'some' appreciation ;) ). After though it's another matter... :crazyeye:

Well, in the year 990 AD the last Japanese city feel to the might of the Ottoman empire (they gave me 2 additional GL's too, for ToE and Hoovers), leaving them with only a single wandering settler (on land, 'cause I can see him and he's got no ships).... I think it's milking time. :D
I'll post a more complete 1000 AD update tomorrow, when I've reached that date....

Finally my turns have become shorter, to the point that one turn now only takes 10-15 minutes (instead of 90 minutes) as I have improved all my teritory and my workers are rejopining my cities...

Japan has used its' wandering settler to found Bizen, it's current capital (and only city), though they gave me another GL (I'll save him for Longlivety, I think), before we made peace again. :D

I've been near the domination limit for around 30 turns, but I've now finalized all my teritory (moving cities etcetera), which puts me at 3833 of a possible 3834 tiles.

I'm reseraching at tech-per-4turns pace to reach minitaurization ASAP, to use my GL for rushing longlivety. I'll be getting Mass Production in 2 turns.

My score is now 10026 points with an increase of 129 points per turn (down from 134 around 10-15 turns ago).

Still 300 turns of milking left to go.... :)

I suddenly feel so small...

I've finished bulding hospitals and mass transits in my cities and virtually all of them are now on 'wealth'.
Japan has built a second city, but they're still in the Ancient Age, so that doesn't bother me.

Basically all I'm doing now is cleaning up polution and reassigning all the tiles back so they can be worked before I press enter each turn...

Score: 21454 with a 94 ppt increase

SirPleb's score calculater's got me finishing at 33000+ points, but I think it'll be a bit higher :D

Still 200 turns of milking to go....:)

EMan can rest easy... His no.1 Monarch score is safe from me. :(

The increase in score in my game has dropped with an alarming rate, leading me to believe that the absolute max I'll end up with is somewhere between 33000 and 33500 points, which would still rank me second. :)

My score: 28770, with a 57 ppt increase.

Still 100 turns of milking to go on my last PTW game...

Originally posted by Darkness
EMan can rest easy...
I have to disagree with this statement. Even though I've currently got a thread about my pacifist game on Chieftain, I'm alternating between that and a 'standard' game on Monarch with the Ottomans in Conquests. I know I can improve on my current Monarch ranking.

Regardless, even without knowing your final score, I salute you, sir, on a game extremely well executed.

I finally found the time to finish milking my game!

As far as I can tell, I'll get the no.2 spot at monarch level after the next update. I finished in 2050 AD wit a massive (650 tile) cultural expansion to achieve a domination win. This resulted in a final score of 33384 points (1500 points short of EMan's no.1 score)...
While I would have liked to have gotten the no.1 position I'm actually quite pleased with this game, as I feel I have improved my play with this marathon game....

Well, this was my last PTW game, now (after a break) I'll be moving on to C3C and those lovely agricultural civs.

Congratulations, Darkness! :band:
You're right, this was a most impressive game and the ag civs are incredible!

Thanks superslug... :)

Oh, playing time was a little over 152 hours, spread out over 2 1/2 months, with around 25 hours of idle time when I left the computer running during dinner or something like that...

Congratulations, Darkness. I guess I better finish my Monarch game with it's hoped for score of 24,000+ before too many of these really great games get entered and my game still doesn't make the top 10.

good game, Darkness!!
i just finished my regent game, so once i get rested up from milking, ill try one on monarch.