....since I saw Kinboat´s Crusader, which is IMO one of the finest units.

So here is a Teutonic Knight, ca. 1200-1250AD. Generally I plan to do more ancient/medieval stuff in the near future, but I still have to work on the XCOM scn to fix some things, so it will all need its time

(same preview on the CDG) ;)

That shield makes a fine tombstone for him... :D

Very good ;)
But are the feet of the knight a bit too small - or is it just an optical illusion? :)

I think yes, there are turned towards the viewer - in side view they look ok ;)

Oh since teutonic knights had always white clothes/black crosses the civ colors will be on the blue thingie on the horse´s head (how´s that called in english?)

Harness?

love the horns on his helm btw

Aren't they the bridle and reigns? Anyway, it looks good so far!

Wow! This is great Bebro:thumbsup:

btw any change you could make an infantry version too?

Well, for the moment I´ll do the mounted guy only....;)

Originally posted by BeBro
Well, for the moment I´ll do the mounted guy only....;) ohwell I tried:rolleyes:

still looking great though:goodjob:

looks good, but he's got awfully wee legs :p

I could work on the prob if I´d knew what "wee legs" means....:mischief:

Originally posted by zulu9812
looks good, but he's got awfully wee legs :p

That's because he's always horseback, so his legs are not used, and the muscles have swollen.
On the other hand, he handles spear and shield, hence the strong arms and shoulders.

Looks great! More ancient and medieval stuff? Boy do I like the sound of that! Yipee!

"Wee" means "small, weak," er, well, aproximately, anyway. :)

Ah, now its clear :) Well, I´ll see what I can do about the legs ;)

This unit is the BOMB!

Ready to be slaughtered by my arab horsemen :)

He... whats up with all the new unit makers.. has it been made easier?

Greetings!

a great unit to be disposed of by the mighty cataphract! :D

as for civ courls, perhaps a banner at the end of the lance could be civcoulred as well...

Originally posted by alireza1354
He... whats up with all the new unit makers.. has it been made easier? Lol BeBro isn´nt a "new" unit maker.

Originally posted by alireza1354
Ready to be slaughtered by my arab horsemen :)

Originally posted by Xen
a great unit to be disposed of by the mighty cataphract! :D

Arabs and Byzantines attacking Germany. :hmm:
You guys planning to reverse the third crusade? :D

And now it seems we'll finally get a knight who'll use a lance in combat. :thumbsup:

What's the difference between a Teutonic Knight and a Crusader?

Which nations used which is mostly what I mean(?).

Crusader is a generic term for catholic soldiers who fought agaisnt muslim in the holly land, and more generally speaking of any catholic soldier who fight within a Pope sanctioned crusade, such as the crusade against the cathar in Southern France ( )Visit my wife's website to know more about it, choose catharism in the list under Mazamet on the left (http://dolphyns.free.fr/english.htm)

Teutonic knights were a fighting religious order originated from Germany.

The others orders were the Templars and the Hospitaliers.

Templars were virtually destroyed when king Philippe IV Le Bel of France had them arrested for heresy.

the Tuetonic knights were also increadble crule, and barborus in thire ways, often being responible for massive killings in the name on thire religion- killing any one who refused to convert, or just killing them any way....

Originally posted by Steph
Crusader is a generic term for catholic soldiers who fought agaisnt muslim in the holly land, and more generally speaking of any catholic soldier who fight within a Pope sanctioned crusade, such as the crusade against the cathar in Southern France ( )Visit my wife's website to know more about it, choose catharism in the list under Mazamet on the left (http://dolphyns.free.fr/english.htm)

Teutonic knights were a fighting religious order originated from Germany.

The others orders were the Templars and the Hospitaliers.

Templars were virtually destroyed when king Philippe IV Le Bel of France had them arrested for heresy.

He... the Cathars believe the same about Jesus as muslims do :)

That was a dangerous thing to do in those days :)

Originally posted by god_money
What's the difference between a Teutonic Knight and a Crusader?

Which nations used which is mostly what I mean(?).

Yep, as Steph said, anyone who fought in a crusade is a crusader - no matter if he was knight or "ordinary soldier" (or even peasant or "armed" pilgrim). Crusaders could so be used by any medieval european civ, teutonic knights only by Germany.

the Tuetonic knights were also increadble crule, and barborus in thire ways, often being responible for massive killings in the name on thire religion- killing any one who refused to convert, or just killing them any way....

Well, yes thát´s especially true for the conquest of the areas in eastern europe done by the order. OTOH war and conquest was quite often extremely brutal that time (eg. Jerusalem 1099), so IMO it is no special characteristic for the order in general.

but they were particuraley brutal, and barbarous...

It looks awesome, xcept for the horns, they look like two bended, err, nevermind... :D

In my opinion the harness is too small to be used as the civ color, maybe you could make an alternate version to be used as a generic knighth unit with maybe the horse's cover and the knight's vest in civ color, and without the horns too ;) just my opinion.

It looks marvellous BeBro. :goodjob:

I also think that Xen's suggestion of a small pennant on the end of the lance in civ colours is a good one.....

Looks pretty good :) Love the helmet. Reminds me of a picture I saw recently online showing Mongolian and Teutonic Cavalry charging each other.

The Battle of Liegnitz 1241AD

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/1241.jpg

Oh, so they did have the horns :)

Originally posted by Xen
a great unit to be disposed of by the mighty cataphract! :D

I suppose this is going to be your response to every new unit from now on? (you've created a monster utahjazz7!) :)

Nice to see you doing more ancient units BeBro, esp. strong archetypes like this one. Not content to be the King of air units huh?

Originally posted by Tacit_Exit


I suppose this is going to be your response to every new unit from now on? (you've created a monster utahjazz7!) :)


I'm sorry. I should have thought about the consequences of my actions before I acted.

Originally posted by utahjazz7


I'm sorry. I should have thought about the consequences of my actions before I acted.

You'll think twice before selflessly contributing outstanding units to the Civ3 community now, won't you ;)

it wont ALWAYS be my response, I'll wear out soon enough, to only be used when approprete (now, if I could sell a cool spear man idea I have, then I would have somthing trully applicable to ALL ages :D)

Originally posted by Tacit_Exit
Nice to see you doing more ancient units BeBro, esp. strong archetypes like this one.

Definetly - Great model! The horns kick :goodjob:

Thanks for the info guys. So which nations fought in the Crusades
(meaning), who would get the Crusader? Rome, Byzantium (I
assume here the new Cataphract unit would upgrade to the
Crusader), Greece (being a part of Byzantine), and Spain?

Crusaders were brought in more like mercenaries to the Byzantines who couldnt affored the uber expenisve cataphracts any longer

the rerason for them being so expensive is-

-horses trained not to panic in the thick of battle, with thire heads constantley lowed so the riders could have optimal fighting conditions

-hevey, good quality steel armour, for both horse and rider

-training for the soldire, to work with skill at Soard, Spear(a 12 foot pike to be honest!), bow, and shield

-actually buying good horses

-paying for a permanent army

-bonuses, assuming their was no pillaging...

Originally posted by god_money
Thanks for the info guys. So which nations fought in the Crusades
(meaning), who would get the Crusader?

Theoretically you could give them to any European country, since people from entire western Europe took part in crusades. However, most of the warriors which went to the holy land were French and Normans (esp. in earlier Crusades), later Germans, French, and English.

So if you want to use the crusader as a replacement for the knight, I´d recommend to use it for France. If used it as additional unit, I´d give it to France, Spain, England, and perhaps Vikings (=Normans, at least to some extent) and Rome. As said the teutonic knight would be then for Germany.

Originally posted by god_money


Definetly - Great model! The horns kick :goodjob:

Thanks for the info guys. So which nations fought in the Crusades
(meaning), who would get the Crusader? Rome, Byzantium (I
assume here the new Cataphract unit would upgrade to the
Crusader), Greece (being a part of Byzantine), and Spain?
Crusader should be mainly French, then English, German, Rome. Spain could be used for the Reconquista, not in the holly land.

Byzantium no, they didn't really take part to the crusade : at first they support it, and later they were victims!

Originally posted by BeBro


Theoretically you could give them to any European country, since people from entire western Europe took part in crusades. However, most of the warriors which went to the holy land were French and Normans (esp. in earlier Crusades), later Germans, French, and English.

So if you want to use the crusader as a replacement for the knight, I´d recommend to use it for France. If used it as additional unit, I´d give it to France, Spain, England, and perhaps Vikings (=Normans, at least to some extent) and Rome. As said the teutonic knight would be then for Germany.

I suggest the cataphract for Rome, reason being, Rome, and medieval italy are by NO means the same thing- the civ would have to be Italy to warrent a crusader, but as it is, Rome is made its own antionality, and not Italy, and a culteral distinction was made putting in its proper place more in legue with other Med. states, such as Greece, and Byzantium, rather then the western European states, like France, England, Belgium, ect...

Eagerly waiting for it !
I will see it in MEM soon after I guess.

This would be a great second UU for the Germans, since, when the northern Germans adopted protestantism, the lands of the Teutonic order became the secular state of Prussia. And, as you all know the current leader of Germany in Civ (Bismark) lived most of his life as a citizen of Prussia, being the man behind the unification of the German states with the Prussian king as Kaiser (=emperor).

...but slowly. Here´s a run preview (will be a bit faster in the game)

Very Good! :thumbsup:
You've got "flow" in the cloth, and everything. :)
The lance's shadow seems spotted, but I don't know if that is just in the gif or not. :hmm:

...maybe I modify him a bit. The hospitalers used different colors for their clothes at different times, you find pics with red and black clothes, but always with white crosses. I decided for the red version and some different crosses. Also the helmet is changed, it looks now more as those helmets used around ca. 1200.

I´m also thinking of using another weapon for attack B, maybe an axe.

Nice unit

Nice! :D

very nice indeed :)
are you able to use BVH files? (that's the universal animation format, it should be readable by every animation program in the market...)

Nice to see some of my unit requests get made:thanx:

Originally posted by embryodead
very nice indeed :)
are you able to use BVH files? (that's the universal animation format, it should be readable by every animation program in the market...)

Hm, I think not (never tried it), my Cinema 4D version is a bit outdated. Are there BVH´s available on the net somewhere? Then i could test it.