View Full Version : I lost by points when I had a massive point lead


Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 03:04 PM
I was playing the Fall of Rome Conquest.

Rome was going to win on their next turn, but I eliminated them by taking their 8th city. (Byzantine is also dead long ago).

I am now in the lead with about 24000 points and my closest rival has about 5000 points.

I finish my turn. Hit the space bar and get a message that says I have suffered a humilating Points Victory loss.

Attached are some screen shots.

Any scores should cease to be calculated after a Civ is eliminated.

For now I know that I should eliminate a CIV at least two turns before they would win.

Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 04:11 PM
these are all final taken from the end of game

Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 04:12 PM
2nd

Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 04:14 PM
3rd

Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 04:16 PM
4th

Shows all three of us dead.

Pounder
Nov 15, 2003, 04:19 PM
I am the Visagoth, Rome and Byzantine are dead, Yet Rome was declared winner, but not shown anywhere in the end of game windows to have won.

carlosMM
Nov 17, 2003, 01:10 AM
what you are saying is that the game ENDED because Rome reached 35.000 points despite getting killed instead of running on (as Rome was dead) until you get 35.000?

or did it end because of time?

warpstorm
Nov 17, 2003, 03:37 AM
You will lose if you don't get the 35000 points this scenario says you need to win. Did the time run out? Your screen shots are all from a point 16 turns from the end.

Pounder
Nov 17, 2003, 04:59 AM
I still had 16 turns to go. At 17 turns to go, Rome below 35000, I destroyed Rome with 17 turns to go, then I hit the space bar and I expected to get my next turn. Instead I got the Defeat Notification.

carlosMM
Nov 17, 2003, 05:01 AM
so it seems that the score got calculated on one turn, thus the dead Romans got the win...

ah, C3C, the most buggy civ version ever :rolleyes:

warpstorm
Nov 17, 2003, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by carlosMM
ah, C3C, the most buggy civ version ever :rolleyes:

Not hardly. The original version of Civ3 has to take that 'honor'. C3C has way less bugs.

warpstorm
Nov 17, 2003, 05:09 AM
Did Rome hit the VP limit at any point before they were wiped out? (Even on the same turn). If so, then Rome hit the VP limit and technically won before they got wiped out but it doesn't declare a winner till the beginning of the next turn when they were already gone. In this case, I'd have to give the win to them. You were too slow and should have beat them a turn earlier. Even if you had, you still would have lost because it is near impossible for you to get to 35000 points in 16 turns (I've lost this way before, just being the best of the losers doesn't make you the winner :))

carlosMM
Nov 17, 2003, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by warpstorm


Not hardly. The original version of Civ3 has to take that 'honor'. C3C has way less bugs.
by sheer number - but if you give points for 'dumbness' (i.e. known bugs stay and obvious ones adedd) then C3C is worse. Need I say 'load opponent PBEM turns' and
'RCP is fixed'?


:lol:

Pounder
Nov 17, 2003, 05:17 AM
I made sure on my next try and thrashed everyone with about 30 turns to go (got my 35000 victory points) and got a score of 21000, I have never gotten a score over 11000 in any CIV III game before. I got quite a large bonus for finishing early because my score on the power graph only showed about 600 points before I reached 35000 victory points.

I guess these Conquests scores can't be compared with the Epic game scores.

Pounder
Nov 17, 2003, 05:26 AM
On the turn that I destroyed Rome they had less than 35000 victory points (about 34900). If the calculate the score at the end of 17 turns to go, I guess they are giving me the chance to also reach 35000 points for the calculation.

Then this wouldn't be a bug.

EDIT: Then again the end of game stats show no one reached 35000 points with 16 turns to go.

What would happen in the case of a DRAW?

Jurimax
Dec 08, 2003, 04:47 PM
I also found some strange things in this scenario. Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot, but IMHO you don't need 35000 points to win. When I won the scenario (as the Celts), I won with about 25000 VP. Rome and Byzantium were off course eliminated some time before that.

Greetings Jurimax

warpstorm
Dec 08, 2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Pounder
What would happen in the case of a DRAW?

What would you consider to be a draw?

Pounder
Dec 11, 2003, 09:41 AM
A DRAW

I guess if we both reached 35000 victory points on the same turn.

Obviously the higher victory point count should win regardless and I guess the chances of both having the exact victory count are slim.

Then on the other hand maybe it is the first to reach 35000 points wins even if it is on the same turn.