This sounds like a challenge for the ages.

Game will commence when i have emails from all, so be on the lookout for the save :). Also i can be contacted in irc either in the main chatroom #civfanatics or #fionnsgame.

---List of Players---
Fionn: Britain
Wildfire: Prussia
Eric_A: Russia
Normaland: France
LouLong: Austria

PBEM list
pbem list (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/pbem_email_list.txt)

Is this a scenario with a real map of Europe?
Do I need to download a Mod?

I would play Russia.

This is a Conquests Scenario

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
This is a Conquests Scenario

Great: I just picked up conquests recently.

You might get more response if you post this again in
the PBEM forum, but I can probably find more players if
I ask around in my other two PBEM games.

I'll play the otomans :-)

I'll play if there is room. Is France open?

I gave this Conquest a test run on the weekend, as the Russians.
Got my butt kicked the first go. The second time I chose my allies
very, very carefully and managed to do OK up till 1806, which
is as far as I got.

I also tried a mutiplayer hotseat game for a couple of turns
just to see how if it worked without bugs. It seems the first player
must play Prussia for some reason, but other than that it went
OK.

I like this Conquest, it reminds me of the old Avalon Hill board
game called "War & Peace". This would make for a great PBEM
game in my opinion. You would need human players for at least:

Britian
France
Prussian
Austria
&Russia


Optionally you could also play:
Ottomans
Swedes
& Spain
or just leave them for the AI

This indeed is the toughest scenario. In single player France is doable, but has a LOT of borders with unfriendly neighbours which is a major disadvantage in MP. Same applies for Austria and Prussia, the latter being confined.

Looking at the minimap I would say Britian has a fair change if it can establish a stronghold on the continent, and only France really is in a position to try a naval invasion. The Russians have a large territory and relatively defendable borders. If they can withstand early Prussian / Austrian pressure and do some smart diplo they should be able to dominate in the longer run.

Hey, it is just 2 cents I am throwing in!

The Russians have MAJOR corruption problems in the south, and
need to build the FP in Kiev to fix them. But it takes about 7
years to do it, even with chopping down every forest within 4
squares.

I will be France, my nationality and all.

EDIT:

Ill be very selective picking the players.

You ok'ed me right?

Originally posted by Norlamand
I'll play if there is room. Is France open?

As you can see from the above quote,
France has already been called. We need players
for Prussia and Austria.

If someone wants to take on the Russians I will
switch to Prussia to help get this started.

Oh...

The list of players wasn't updated and I wasn't sure if he had ok'ed them...

I will be prussia then.

Originally posted by WildFire
Oh...

The list of players wasn't updated and I wasn't sure if he had ok'ed them...

I will be prussia then.

I don't think he's OK'd anyone yet, haven't heard from Fionn in a while on this thread. I will run the game if he won't.

We still need a sucker, opps, I mean volunteer to play
Austria, how about you Beammeuppy?

Ive had classes lol. List is updated now only need one more player

I sign it for Austria OK if you still need one.
Any tip ?
It is my first PBEM.

Originally posted by LouLong

Any tip ?


1. Build lots of fortifications.
2 The Russians can easily be bribed, they are
a backwards people and need technologies.

ok i have my 5 people. if you all would send me your emails that you want saves sent to, please PM me

Here's my email:
nuno.freire@bn.pt

You can reach me at:
eric@eaelec.com

Ok guys i have everyones email, im gonna start up the game tonight. ill post the email list as well when i post the save. After you finish your turn please send the save right away or post it here in this thread. Best to send tho :)

ok i cant start this game, wildfire must do this since he is the first player out of the gate so to speak

I will start it tomorrow.

Order:

WildFire
Eric_A
Normaland
Fionn
Loulong
AI
AI
AI (:p)

Playing and will send.

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall

PBEM list
pbem_email_list (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/pbem_email_list.txt[/)

I can't access the Email list.

1800 game turn has been sent to Normalund/France.

anybody else having issues with the list?

I can't access the email list and can't forward the game to you Fionn. If you can email me the email list I'll send you the turn. My email is dasuboat@hotmail.com

fixed the list, it should download for you all

Just want to warn everyone, there was a bug in
PTW with giving gifts. Not sure if this has been
fixed in Conquests, but better to be safe than
sorry as it will cause the game to lock-up.

When doing diplomacy, never give anything away for
free; always get something in return even if it is just
1 gold or a map you don't need.

Sorry just realized I had actually received the file.
Played and sent back to Prussia. I will be faster next turn.

I did not get the save.

Originally posted by WildFire
I did not get the save.

Err, does that mean you got the mail without the SAV ?
I checked and it left OK, will resend it though.

Fionn:
Do you plan to run the game right through the holidays or pause for awhile? I will be doing some traveling but I
have a friend who can play a few turns for me if needed.

Wildfire, did you get it alright ?

Whose turn is it right now ?

depends on the others and how we get the turns. I dont plan to play on christmas or xmas eve as i got places to go, same with new years so if i have the save on any of those days i wont play them til after the holidays

Still didn't get it.

Upload here and I'll download it?

Czar Eric the 1st will be travelling in the east from
December 18th to 30th. In his absence, temporary
Czar Gregory the 1st ( better known as Greg) will
rule Russia. Please direct any saved games or diplomatic communications to Greg at:

thebravesirrobin@hotmail.com

Any idea where the game is?

not i, i sent the save to LouLong on the 15th dont know where it is at now

Havent recieved it in quite a bit.

with the patch out should we update?

Wildfire when was the last time you received the save?

IF it hasnt been since i sent it to LouLong ill send him an email

Received, played and sent game today.

Originally posted by Norlamand
Received, played and sent game today.

The spanish envoy showed up at the kremlin yesterday
asking for a military alliance against the British. So Britian
and Spain are now at war, very interesting. I don't
suppose you had anything to do with this Norlamand?

Czar Eric

Heh you kidding. Im at war with the spanish, ottomans, swedes and france.

I can neither confirm, nor deny, any involvement in the international disputes in question. ;)

Oh my, I hear that the English have now gotten into it with the Austrians! Silly Brits!
Rumor has it that a band of British seadogs washed ashore south-west of Amsterdam in French territory. They were soundly thrashed by the local peasants and their landing craft burned.
News from the south is that Le Grand Armee is waging a very successful campaign to liberate our Italian brethren and the Holy city of Rome from the rum breathed English privateers that have invaded their sovereign nation. The Emperor sincerely hopes that the British Monarch will see the foolishness of the path he has chosen and surrender to the tender mercies of his Continental peers.

he is rubbing it in i see, hmmm, tis time to get my full war machine going then i guess

And stop asking for military alliances/MPP's :p

Can't we all just get along?

Who has it now ?

I sent the game to Rich last Sunady, Jan 11.

I sent it to Fionn yesterday or the day before.

Has anyone seen the game?

i sent it to LouLong a while ago

I got the game from Wildfire last night, played it and
send it to Norlamand.

I believe that I played it and sent it along to Fionn. Would you mind resending the turn again and I'll make sure that I did as I recall. Too damned many PBEM games going on.........

i have it, i havent played it yet, been busy with homework :)will play wednesday and send it

Where be the game you scurvy dog?

Dont have it ya scally wag

It's always the Brits that are the slackers.

strategizing ;) game being sent as i type this

Who has it now?

Got it last night but no time to play it.
I will play and send tonight.

Originally posted by Norlamand
Who has it now?

I thought you were unavailable for the next 10
days or so?

Have left home but am still stuck in Texas for the next few days.

I thought this was as good a time as any to provide a status description of our game.

Western Europe is mostly the place and aim of war between two old ennemis : France and England. But France has grown lavishly in the decade following the 1789 revolution and annexed states (Western Germany,...) or allies (Denmark) make up a strong holding on the mainland.
England, well protected by the Channel, had dropped its isolationism, thinking it could easily operate on the continent too. But its encircling theory (Amsterdam, Italy and Portugal) may have caused weakness more than brought strength. Indeed Italy is on the way to become French, and the agreement with the Russians allowing for an English naval base in the Black sea means little as far as influence in the Med is concerned. The quest for allies has started but apart from Austria that sided with the French in the Med, few monarchs seem tempted to go looking for glory on the battlefield. The bloody exemples of France and Britain might scare a few actually.

Spain's King is a trouble-maker, at war with many countries such as the Ottomans (for religious reasons as usual) or Austria (whose leadership among the catholic monarchs it tries to challenge).

Prussia and Russia seem to be very much "waiting and seeing" ( ;) ), strengthening their grip on their holdings. Maybe waiting for France and England to weaken.

That is all for now.

Have it, will send when I get home from work

Originally posted by WildFire
Have it, will send when I get home from work

I got the game this morning and will play and send tonight.

I have the game but am stuck in Germany for the moment without access to my laptop and the C3C CD.

Is this game dead ?

no i hadnt sent the save yet, i didnt get to it til today
sending tonight

Edit : already sent to Wildfire (v1.20).

A few surprises this turn.;)

Eer.... Any news ?

Has anyone contacted Wildfire? He was booted from another PBEM game that I am involved in for not responding. How long will we wait?

Suprises Lou? Now you have my attention. Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by Norlamand
Has anyone contacted Wildfire? He was booted from another PBEM game that I am involved in for not responding. How long will we wait?

Suprises Lou? Now you have my attention. Care to elaborate?

Well, it seems it is not blocked with you, nor with Eric-A, and obviously you did not get the turn I sent (:p ). So it is either Wildfire or Fionn (I sent him a message) or worst, both.

If Fionn reacts I propose we replace Wildfire. What do you think ?

Care to elaborate ? Well, maybe not but maybe I should :D . I will send you a PM.

Fionn has replied so it must be Wildfire. I propose we get a replacement player, except if someone knwos his whereabouts. I have already posted an "advertisement" for the position !

No PM. The suspence is killing me.
If nobody applies for the game I have a friend that is new to CivIII but would like to play. He is inexperienced but reliable.

I'd say go for him !
Eric_A has said he was kicked from another PBEM as well for not replying so.

Yep sorry I will send something....

If you still need a stand-in for Prussia, I'd be available.
rubberjello at yahoo dot com

OK, then your turn is next, I am sending it to you.

But I don't know who was next after Wildfire : Normaland or Eric_A ?

Sent to Eric A.

Errr.... Is there any outstanding "agreements" Wildfire had going with anyone that I should be aware of?
(And please, not the usual smarta$$ comments about "giving all their cities to xxxx country!)

I had no agreements with Wildfire.

BTW: The turn which was sent to me, the Sept. 1801
turn had already been played, I was expecting the
November turn.

I'll hold the current turn until I get clarification on whether we are starting at Sept or Nov 1801. I too was expecting the Nov turn, but would be quite happy to play the September turn again. :)

Well, I certainly didn't screw up since I was only sent one turn! ;) If Loulong sends along the correct turn to me, we could speed things up a bit and avoid replaying.
Hmmmm...Prussia is the first player. I wonder if there was some sort of bug with the date not being advanced???

Oh! That would just be horrible!! Then we would have to play the turn over..........hmmmmmm.

Originally posted by Norlamand
Oh! That would just be horrible!! Then we would have to play the turn over..........hmmmmmm.

:D :D

OK I checked, seems I made a mistake.
Sorry for that to everyone. I kind of became excited to start again...
I will send it again to Rubberjello, hoping you won't mind (Rubberjello, Eric_A) replaying it again...

Correct turn played played and sent.
Great...a couple of useless Universities were completed instead of me catching them and converting them to banks on the first turn I got. :rolleyes:

The new ruler of the Prussians wishes to announce that he has decided to continue his predecessor's penchant for neutrality for at least the immediate future. :D
(Like I really have a choice with all these behemoth opponents all around me!)

Well I await the turn with some degee of anxiety. What with the winds of change bring?

Prussia wussing out as usual. I dont get how they ever become a power during napoleans time ;)

I hope everyones at the latest patch 1.22 because i am :)

Sent to Norlamand.

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
Prussia wussing out as usual. I dont get how they ever become a power during napoleans time ;)

I hope everyones at the latest patch 1.22 because i am :)

It is 1.20. 1.22 does not accept ealier SAV so there is no way this game can be converted to 1.22. Try to install 1.20 on another directory.

RJ, sorry for that. But indeed the turns were pretty different, weren't they ?

Is it moving ? (after my false restart :o ).

I have it and it is being mulled over............I seem to have misplaced a city or two.........I don't suppose anyone has seen them?

Originally posted by Norlamand
I have it and it is being mulled over............I seem to have misplaced a city or two.........I don't suppose anyone has seen them?

This is an aberration. I've heard short people (Napoleon) usually are very good at not losing things. The scientific reasoning being that they are closer to the floor! :lol:

So is it moving ?

I sent it to Fionn today. Despite the fact that I couldn't find those damned cities...........

Going on a week and no word. Is this game dead or just having a near death experience?

Fionn told me he had to download/install 1.20 (he was on 1.22) and should send it to me shortly. Hope so...

BTW Normaland, you have the grognards' turn to play yourself....

Turn played and sent to Rubberjello (Prussia).

got the Grognards turn, but haven't had a chance to play it yet today. Will play it and send it out later today.

Could one of you guys post a screen shot or two with some
comments? That would make alot of people :D
I have followed some of you guys before and you are very
good players.
:thanx: and :goodjob:

Turn sent to Norlamand.

sent to Fionn early this morning

Sent to Rubberjello yesterday

OK, as far as I am concerned, this PBEM is dead. Sorry Rubberjello for draging you into it. Really thought it could live again, tried quite hard...

it shouldnt be dead whos holding onto it. i sent it to you recently, at least it shouldve gone thru :)

Well it sure did not....

Ill resend it then, i was under the assumption it went thru

Ill resend it then, i was under the assumption it went thru

You know I think Normaland is out too. He kind of disappeared from my Napoleonic PBEM (grognards)...

its resent if he is out of the game i hope he either finds a replacement or we can start this over again

resent ? You men angry ?
Then I guess it is against me. If it is about the city I razed, fair enough. It was a mistake and I should not have done it. If it is because change of alliance, well, that definitely is part of the game. If he thinks all the other people (except you of course) would just help him freely then give him their lands, then I think he prefers playing against AI. Less interesting IMHO but everybody has one's own preferences.

Finding a replacement ? Well, considering the few turns played, if he really dropped I would be more in favor of restarting, and with more humans (Spain, Ottomans).

no i resent the save

Ok, it won't die because of me ! Played and sent to RJ ...

Played and sent on to Eric A.
So who is going to play France?

GPS to Rubberjello

Is this game dead or stalled?

Is this game dead or stalled?

Last turn I got was on May 24th, which I played and sent to you.

That's my last record of it also. I sent it to Eric A on the 24'th of May.

Apparently RJ did not get it on the 10th, maybe because of a clock pb on my mail.
Just resent (forwarded) it !

I got it from RJ this morning, will play it tonight after work.

Played and Sent to Norlamand.

I suggest we post here each time we send our turns, It will
make it easier to track where the game is.

i think e should end this game, its going way to slowly even for my tastes, i jusnt now got the save. as much as id like to finish this im afraid we wont finish this game before the end of next year. Anybody else agree with me?

Could just be a lot of people are on vacation. All my PBEM games have slowed down dramatically in the last 3 weeks.

I think part of the problem is Norlamands intermittant
access to the net in Iraq.