I have found the PERFECT utility for alternate earth maps. Take a look!:D I hope thi is in the right forum, since I plan to make an Earth map with +125 and -125 meter sea level!:D
Here it is!:D (http://atlas.geo.cornell.edu/education/quest/)

And here's the map I plan:
http://atlas.geo.cornell.edu/education/work/xcache-2611.jpg

Feedback would be highly appreciated!:D
Would anyone play his map should it be made? Y/N?
To those of you who have seen the other map projects I have, they go, but they go VEEEEERRRRRRYYYYY slowly.:rolleyes:

How will you handle changes in altitude which are gradual and don't warrant hills? (See every sea-level bit of land on the map.) If you're planning on assigning "Altitude X = Hills" and "Altitude Y = Mountains", how will you handle critical plateaus, high plains, etc.?

-Oz

As you can see, the yellower the spot on the map, the higher the elevation....Most mountains did not change whatsoever...As for hills, I'll have to do my research...But to address the high plains, plateaus, etc question, Civ3 doesn't seem to show these in any way, so I dunno how to implement them...Maybe they'd stay their own terrain...Ideas, anyone?:undecide:

Edit: No one else likes these ideas???:(

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
As you can see, the yellower the spot on the map, the higher the elevation....Most mountains did not change whatsoever...As for hills, I'll have to do my research...But to address the high plains, plateaus, etc question, Civ3 doesn't seem to show these in any way, so I dunno how to implement them...Maybe they'd stay their own terrain...Ideas, anyone?:undecide:


To differentiate, e.g., the Iranian plateau (which is a true and formidable elevation) I use a ring of hills; personal taste, but that's I think the best we can do ... UNLESS we use a LM Plains as "rough terrain" or "slopes" to simulate changes in altitude less dramatic than hills yet nevertheless important ... :confused:

-Oz

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
Edit: No one else likes these ideas???:(

<sigh> I wish the Civ terrain was modelled after a variation of Simcity's, so that you could have not only tunnels, but also submarine warfare. That way, we could totally take advantage of your map. But the Civ map is still only a flat map with overlapping icons.:(

So Amenhotep7, and I mean no disrespect when I ask you this;), how do you suppose we could take advantage of your isolinear map. In other words, how would the isolinear map affect gameplay?:confused:

EDIT: note, simcity model would not allow sub warfare, but it's not hard to imagine adopting that model to allow a three dimensional space. Say that a unit can suspend on blocks of "tiles" that are below the surface of the seasurface. And there would be a finite number of tiles below the seasurface - say from the bottom of the ocean to the surface. This way, Civ modders who want to build space scenarios could also benefit.

I just thought this map would be a good idea for scenarios or just for fun. The extra water may make journies tougher, etc. What does isolinesr mean? Never heard the word before.:confused:

actualley... I think a map like that in a scenario where the ice caps melted would a pretty cool map...

Yay! Now that I have support, I shall continue!:) I'll post my -125 sea level map shortly.:D

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
Yay! Now that I have support, I shall continue!:) I'll post my -125 sea level map shortly.:D

Oh, my God! Are you saying that you need our support to contribute to the betterment of civvers everywhere? Dude, you're a mac user, right? You're supposed to be an unbounded free radical.

HAHA, just kidding.

:crazyeye:

I've been perusing this forum for only a short time, but I already can tell that your intuition for improving the game is right on. So, I'll check this out when you finish it.

Happy modding[civ3mac] :thumbsup:

This is a nice idea, and I like it. I look forward to seeing the results...

Umm, to tell you the truth, I just like the Mac OS X style, I'm a PC user!:mwaha::lol:...I'll change it.:)

Originally posted by Xen
actualley... I think a map like that in a scenario where the ice caps melted would a pretty cool map...

... Something like this:

Florida? Where art thou? Ozymandias, you've neutered the US!!!

You bastard, you neutered the US!!!:saiyan:




;)

Originally posted by Runamok Monkey
Florida? Where art thou? Ozymandias, you've neutered the US!!!

You bastard, you neutered the US!!!:saiyan:




;)

... Just think of it as taking a little dip ;) ...

EDIT: I have banished what was bad to where one puts bad things: namely, someplace else.

EDIT: Again I apologize:blush:

Ozy, that's a bad bad jpg, did you compress it with a sledgehammer? ;)

Originally posted by mrtn
Ozy, that's a bad bad jpg, did you compress it with a sledgehammer? ;)

Nah, all I had on hand was a vice ;) If it had covered the entire world -- i.e., actually been suitable to make a complete map from -- I'd've stuck to the sledgehammer :)

-Oz

How many + meters of sea level are on that picture, Oz?

Here, I located the original source:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spaceart/cylmaps.html

-- (Also has cool map of Mars with water) --

which is in turn derived from Cornell University's Interactive Mapping and Data Analysis (http://atlas.geo.cornell.edu/ima.html) online machine.

The map shows sea levels +80 meters (probably impossible as a result of human efforts, due to the amount of ice stored in deep Antartic crevasses; equals ~10,000 years hypothesized climate change.

... And here's a better jpg for mrtn :) :

Re: the map above, don't forget that the URL for the bmp-to-bic convertor can be found in the Mod Researchers' URL Library under "Maps" :D

-Oz

Ozymandias, this is much better; it's gorgeous.

Very cool!...Especially a forested Antarctica!:D Your mapping program seems to be the same one I linked to in Post #1...Though it has given rise to the fact that +80 meters is the max...I'll change that...:)

P.S. I just tried that pic in BMP to BIC and it didn't work...I sense a long day of color-editing ahead....:undecide:

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
P.S. I just tried that pic in BMP to BIC and it didn't work...I sense a long day of color-editing ahead....:undecide:

Probably a silly question, but I uploaded it as a .jpg -- you did convert it to a .bmp first, yes?

Best,

Oz

I converted itfrom Jpeg to Bmp...:undecide:

Well, I'm working on this map. Ozymandias says that it should convert right away. When I go to convert it, it doesn't work. The BMPtoBIC output is a whole lotta ocean and nothin' but...Help?:(

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
Well, I'm working on this map. Ozymandias says that it should convert right away. When I go to convert it, it doesn't work. The BMPtoBIC output is a whole lotta ocean and nothin' but...Help?:(

:( Yeah, it's wierd, I just tried it on a different .bmp and got basically Greenland and Antarctica and literally nothing else! -- Yet El Mency evidently used this utility to generate some extraordinary maps (one was so good that Teturkan thought his had been "borrowed).

Anyway, here's the CFC thread on the topic:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=509766#post509766

(really begins at the fourth post)

-- Hopefully you'll find some help in there.

Apologies,

Oz

... In a worst-case, Exsanguination also posted how to use the editor and Photoshop to "convert" a map:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29350

Best,

Oz

Uhh, All I need now is how to convert palletes.:undecide: I don't think Photoimpression4 or mspaint'll do...So exactly where is a demo of Photoshop?:confused::D

After this one how about a more flooded world?

Hmm..Well, with all the ice in the world, it's not possible to flood more than 80 meters, but sure!:) Of course, I'll need to finish my Ice Age map, World as the Greeks saw map, Caribbean map, and I may put my Atlantis area map on hold for more flooded world map...I'll be a very busy Pharaoh!:lol:

Anybody who can tell me how to edit pallates???

Can somebody at least point me to a tutorial???:confused: Either that, or I could just make an edit of Marla's map, but I don't wanna do that, since that's kinda cheating.:(

Originally posted by Amenhotep7
Can somebody at least point me to a tutorial???:confused: Either that, or I could just make an edit of Marla's map, but I don't wanna do that, since that's kinda cheating.:(

Why? I'm editing Teturkhan's map and plan to give him full credit.

-Oz

PS Of course T's map was released with the product; you might want to ask Marla's permission first -- certainly a polite gesture :) -- but upgrades have been ongoing to her map without her ...

-Oz

@Amenhotep7: Are you using the correct colors for the image with BMP->BIC?

I could hand-edit the colors on the .bmp.:undecide: I'll ask Marla, and hopefully she'll gimme her persmission.:)