Update-11/24/03
Current membership of players(5):
Sandrock LQ
SolarKnight
Smellincoffee
Resistor
Constantine

Membership is still open.

Head Coach/Advisor/Trainer:
kryszcztov

Group Name: Demi-Gods in Training[DGT]

Civ Version to be used: Likely PTW 1.27f

Conquests likely won't be used at least until there is a patch because of the horrible forbidden palace bug.

Suggested Settings for First Game-Subject to Change by Group
World Size: Small
Barbarians: Roaming
Land Mass: Continents 2
Climate: Normal
Temperature: Temperate
Age: 4 Billion
Civilization: Romans[Legions ho!]
Rivals: All Random, 4 of them
Victory Conditions: Domination and Conquest turned on
Allow Civ Specific Traits: On
Culturally Linked Start Locations: On
Respawn AI PLayers: Off
Preserve Random Seed: On
Accelerated Production: Off
Elimination: Off
Regicide: Off
Mass Regicide: Off
Victory Point Locations: Off
Capture the Princess: Off
Allow Cultural Conversions: On
Difficulty :Warlord

These settings are not set in stone. I'd like to start our first game in 72-96 hours, so if you'd like to change something, we have 72 hours to discuss it.



After reading some of the succession game threads, I thought I would propse an idea. I have yet to play in a succession game, and I would like to form a group that learns how to win succession games. I would like the group to start out with people who have no succession game experience, but I would accept people with a little experience if it was necessary just to get it going. I would also like players who are either at Chieftan or Warlord experience in Civ3. I have beaten Civ3 with all victory types on Chieftan, and I've beaten it once on warlord. The idea on this is for our group to become so close knit, that we are able to beat the Beyond Sid difficulty at some point in time, and for fun of course. I would leave membership open until it reached 7 players, and try to keep it at 3-7 players.

So in summary:

Wanted:

1)3-7 players who cannot beat a difficulty level higher than Warlord.
2)Players should not have too much, if any, succession game experience.
3)Patient people

I am somewhat flexible on this however. And if anyone has any input, please feel free to give me some.

A great idea Sandrock! Hopefully this will bring some of the lurkers out of their shells.

However I wouldn't limit it to conquests, this limits alot of the people that might be intrested, but don't have conquests so can't sign up. I'd go with PTW or even vanilla so you will have a broader range of players.

[no this isn't a sign up, just a post of support for your idea]

I'm watching that 3 city game you're playing, so I know you're not the type of person I'm looking for.:D

I really don't care which version it is, as long as its Civ3. I'll have to wait and see what happens.

And thank you for your support.

Looks good. :thumbsup:

Let's hope this brings new blood into the way too small SG playing roup of active players we have. :) (Did that sentence make sence?)

Not signing up, obviously. :D

I find your idea great, and I want to make a suggestion. First : do you want to play ONE game, or a real serie of games with the same group of players, allowing nice discussion and better game skills as the months pass ? If the latter, let me tell you I'm planning to set up a training game in some not so distant future (maybe 1 or 2 months at most, if I'm still happy with my idea). This leads me to a thought : why not hiring me as a teacher for a serie of games that could run up through the levels ? :) If you find that idea :smoke:, let me know as soon as possible ! Otherwise, I'd like to run such games for a fixed group of players. That would require some patience indeed, so that players don't drop out after 2 months. I wouldn't play BTW, just comment, criticize, help, give hints and tips... ... ...

I won't do it if it's not with Conquests though. Also the game is currently a little flawed, so I suggest you waited for a patch or something (the Forbidden Palace is really messed up and you won't want to dislike it, uh ? ;) ). And that could let me some time before starting, because right now it would take too much time... and I still need some C3C learning too ! :lol:

Just my 2 cents, as I came on your post. :)

Hi

Im new here, I think this is my second post.

I would be intrested in signing up for this group.

I have experience playing civ 2, both single player and hotseat, although i never really played the game higher than warlord.

Ive been playing civ 3 for about 6 months, starting with vanilla civ 3. Ive had experience with play the world, ive had that for about 3 months.

I enjoy the game and ive recently bought conquests.

I can win conquests on chieftain with a cultural victory and ive won space race as well.

Ive played on warlord but struggled a little, though i have won warlord once.

I have never played a succession game before but ive read through the posts and would love to give it a go.

SolarKnight......welcome to the group. You seem to be at my level of expertise right now so that works out pretty good.

kryszcztov.....you're hired. I had heard about the forbidden palace. Is it true it increases corruption? I wish to do a series of games, and I would like to maintain the same group of players, although its inevitible that someone will be lost from the group. Then I have to decide if I want to add another player that is below whatever playing level the group has reached. I wanted to try a succession game, but it seemed to me that most of the succession games were challenge games, but I still wanted to play. I also wanted to give other players just like me, a chance to get in on a succession game, and I wanted it to be an experience where no one had to worry they would be kicked out if theit performance was bad. In fact, I probably will never kick anyone from the group, #1 because I hate being confrontational, and #2 its too much of a hassle. I believe the number one thing I have to learn yet is micro-management.

I currently have three icons in my Civ3 three programs folder. One for Civ3(vanilla I presume) one for PTW, and a third for conquests. I'm going to go test them all out and see what versions I'm running on those three. It should help things along a bit if we can get a version nailed down.

Oh, and does anyone have a suggestion for a group name?

That's a fast hire !!! :) Let's hope I won't be fired ! :lol:

OK, so I suggest you waited for more people to come before starting a first game. Also we could discuss what you guys really want to do in your succession games : if you want to play quickly, or slowly with me emphasizing on details (micro-management), if you want to play one game for the whole team or one per player and compare, etc...

Also remember that I won't have the time to run such games before a little month (exams), and then it will be Christmas... But you could as well start a game on your own before that, and I could come and say some stuff here and there. Or you could each one of you try different games on your own, and then with more experience start a 1st SG. Is Regent a good level on which to start ? Or Warlord maybe ? Also remember I'll only play C3C from now on... but I'm thinking that, because I won't play, you could as well play your games with Vanilla or PTW (though I don't know much of the first). But I bet everyone here will have C3C. ;)

Point #1: Well, firing you would be tough simply because I'm not paying you.:lol: In order to fire you, our group performance would have to be so bad that virtually the whole Civ3 community would have to give examples of bad advice that you were giving. I somehow doubt that would happen. It's not like I need to sell tickets to our games. :rolleyes:

Point #2: I will try and wait till the group reaches five in its membership. If this thread goes a while without any new members, I may start with three and we'll just add people as we go along. I will cap the group at seven. I figure with seven people there should always be someone to take a turn in case someone can't make their turn.

Point #3: I'd like to start with one game with the whole team playing, and see how we stack up as a group.

Point #4: I will probably start a game before you are ready to "train" us. just to pass the time. We'll amke do with whatever comments you can spare until you are ready to take the reigns. It's not like anyhing bad will happen. <_< >_> 0_0

Point #5: We will probably begin on Warlord, unless someone joins who has never beaten Cheiftan. This point is up for debate and will depend on the skill level of the joining players.

Point #6: I've listed all versions of the game that I own in the 1st post of the thread. I would prefer to do this on conquests because of the extra races and difficulty levels. However, we may wait until there is a patch, and there may be a player who does not have conquests. Have to wait and see.

I'm off to go attempt my first cultural victory on Warlord.

Sounds good. I've yet to beat a Regent game- lost patience with one, lost the saves for another.

However, my computer is in the shop. I did install Civ3 on ONE of my school's computers, so...*-shrug*

Originally posted by Smellincoffee
Sounds good. I've yet to beat a Regent game- lost patience with one, lost the saves for another.

However, my computer is in the shop. I did install Civ3 on ONE of my school's computers, so...*-shrug*

I taking this as a statement that you want in despite your computer difficulties.

Can I join? I dont have Conquests so I can only play in PTW. I won't buy Conquests until the corruption bugs are fixed.

Yes, you can join. We can always play Vanilla or PTW for the time being.

Glad to see this one is getting off the ground so quickly! Not to mention drawing out some lurkers with only a couple posts.:)

As for the difficulty level: I'd go with a level above the group average. IMHO SG's tend to be a little easier then normal games because you have so many different points of view & plans of attack. Plus if you forget something & goof up really bad, the worst you can do is burn 10 turns before the next person picks it up and normally notices it.


Good luck guys! I'll keep my eye on this one & try to chime in whenever I can to help out.:)

1 question:

Maybe this was already asked but is this for people new to SGs or for people who are new to Civ or both?

(btw, I play on emperor, haven't played an SG before, but followed a lot).

Edit: If this is going to be on warlord, then maybe this isn't the SG for me.

I managed to install Civ3 on a computer at school today. While my computer isn't working, I can still come here and get in some civving. Only takes five or so minutes to install,then I'm ready to go. Krys and I have been talking about a TDG for...a while.

Sounds cool. If theres room left i'll like to play.

I can beat Chieftain easliy. I have won 1 or 2 warlord games but nothing great.

This would be my first SG.

Originally posted by Gengis Khan
Glad to see this one is getting off the ground so quickly! Not to mention drawing out some lurkers with only a couple posts.:)


I second that! It's nice to see some lurkers get involved.
You guys/gals are liable to get deluged with advice! :p :lol:

Have a good time with this and good luck!!

Matt

This will be my first SG. Although, I'm not necessarily new to Civ. I can't wait to start playing, planning and warmongering. :king:

Yes, Smellincoffee and I have been planning a training day game for a while, and you (Sandrock LQ) just gave the opportunity to do something cool !

If some of you guys want to start quickly, you could go with a game on Warlord, just to let you know each other in the group, and get ready for the big deal : beat Regent in the next game !! :D Also, if you play with PTW for that 1st game, it would allow me for better advice, as I'm obviously new to C3C and haven't completed a game yet (I just started a SG, and also started the 1st Conquest).

Then, if you agree, I could take the series in mine (the KRYS one), or you could just make your own series (the Sandrock LQ one, or whatever group name : I think this would be better for later reference).

I must thank everyone that has posted. I was a bit wary about how successful this might be because I thought it was primarily experts in this section, with three city challenges as such. Hopefully, us SG rookies will make it that far before too long. Now for the personal responses.

Yom-If your playing on Emperor, your probably a bit too far ahead of the curve. However, if we manage to learn quickly, and bump up the difficulty, then you may get a chance to join us. Right now, we're sitting on 5 people, with only two spots left.

Genghis Kahn-I'm going to take a group vote on the difficulty level, and we'll go with whatever it is. We'll have to see how we stack up with the acerage succession game.

Smellincoffee-Good work on the computer. :lol:

Matt_G-I'm glad to help the board in any way I can.:crazyeye:

Resistor-Get ready to rumble.

Constantine-Welcome

kryszcztov-Yeah, we need to decide on the group name, or if we're going to go with your Training game, or both. I think I'll form my group, but we'll still use your acronymn or whatever for our training games.

4 Big Decisions
1)We need to decide on the name, now that we have five guys, so why don't the members submit a name they like and we'll all vote.

2)We need to decide a difficulty level for our first game. Just vote for one, and we'll go with the majority.

3)What version are we going to use? I think conquests is out at the moment, but let's make sure. Just list what versions of vanilla, PTW, and Conquests(1.00-obviously) you have, and what your preference is.

4)We should also consider what type of game conditions we want.

Keep an eye on the top post of this thread as I'm going to update with new information until we are ready to start our first game. ANd, for the moment, membership is still open.:p

Decision 1-

Well, any name you guys want is fine.

Decision 2-

Warlord or higher

Decision 3-

I want to use PTW. I have the latest version(I bought the Gold Edtion package, so I'm guessing its the most up to date).

Decision 4-

I say standard everything. No need to make it all crazy, let's start on normal everything first.

:egypt:

I have the following versions of civ 3:

vanilla civ 1.29f
PTW 1.27f
conquests 1.00

difficulty level: i would be happy with warlord, but if people want to play chieftain than thats no problem.

name: not great at making up names at the spur of the moment but maybe New Beginning or Dawn of Power.

sorry for double posting, i forgot the preferred version would be PTW, and Conditions, maybe conquest or space race for victory, and standard everything else.

Silly me, I forgot to put in my suggestions:eek:

1)Name suggestions-

1a-Newbs: The Next Generation
1b-Los Conquistadores
1c-The Assimilators---Since we will be assimilating information.

Yea, I suck with names.

2)Warlord works for me.

3)PTW works for me. Our "trainer" is more experienced with it. We can move to conquests, at a later date, preferably after the FP/Corruption problem is fixed. Otherwise, I would have voted Conquests.

4)I really don't care too much about the settings. I only know that I definitely don't want the 2 largest size maps. Anywhere from Tiny to Normal size is fine. And I would like our first game to be a conquest or domination. Its not terribly complicated, and would be a nice warm up game. Also, a militirastic civ would be good for this purpose.

I'm going to modify my first post again, so be sure to check it out.

Resistor Make sure your PTW is patched to 1.27f. It looks like it will be the version we'll be playing.

PTW lastest patch for me. After this game most everyone will have C3C. I dont just yet but will be soon.

Warlord is a good level to start IMO.

As for a Name

The Merry Band of Newbs.
Newb. Inc.

Just throwing them out.

I guess I could throw in some names.

N.T.C
(Newbs To Civ)

Newb Legion

Newb Riders

Newbs of the RoundTable

Newb Tribesmen

The Legionaries

Mounted Newbs

Newb Guerilla Force(NGF)

Newb Resistence

Newb Coalition

Like any of them?

Suggested Settings for First Game-Subject to Change by Group
World Size: Small
Barbarians: Roaming
Land Mass: Continents 2
Climate: Normal
Temperature: Temperate
Age: 4 Billion
Civilization: Japanese
Rivals: All Random, 4 of them
Victory Conditions: Domination and Conquest turned on
Allow Civ Specific Traits: On
Culturally Linked Start Locations: On
Respawn AI PLayers: Off
Preserve Random Seed: On
Accelerated Production: Off
Elimination: Off
Regicide: Off
Mass Regicide: Off
Victory Point Locations: Off
Capture the Princess: Off
Allow Cultural Conversions: On
Difficulty :Warlord

Sounds good I would like Rome as a civ. Never play them much. But everything else looks good.

I started a thread over in General Discussion for voting on our name. We'll see what the Civ community thinks. In the meantime, lets begin our own voting for the name right here in this thread.

My choice is: The Merry Band of Newbs

We should also give some consideration to turn order, and how many turns we take at a time. I think the standard is 20 turns to start. And I know I want to lead us off to start the game.


Turn Order:
1)Sandrock LQ
2)
3)
4)
5)

Fill er up.

I'd like third if possible.

I would like 4th spot.

Im staying with my fiance this weekend as its our anniversary [party] so if the game doesn't start before friday then please skip me until monday.

If it starts before the weekend then id like to go second if possible to make sure I get to play before I go.

sorry if this causes any problems.

I like the name merry band of newbs, if thats what everyone else likes then its fine with me.

Turn Order:
1)Sandrock LQ
2)SolarKnight
3)Constantine
4)Resistor
5)Smellincoffee-by default gets the last spot.

No conflicts on the spots. I could start this up on Wednesday to ensure SolarKnight has time to get his turns in before the weekend. We'll have to see what Smellincofee has to say when he checks in.

kryszcztov -Any comments on our game settings, o fearless leader.:lol:

Are we gonna be Japan still?

Let me be the first to veto the "Merry band of newbs" choice. :nuke:

Someone in the other thread suggested "demi-gods in training." I liked that one.

We can change from Japan to Rome, shouldn't be too big a deal.

Originally posted by Sandrock LQ
Someone in the other thread suggested "demi-gods in training." I liked that one.

We can change from Japan to Rome, shouldn't be too big a deal.

I like that name. I give my vote to that one. Also, Rome is a better choice cause of it's stronger commercial trait over religious.

what an excellent idea, good luck guys and gals, this site and SG's together can certainly bump you all up a couple of levels (it did me)

I would recommend using the STANDARD map size rather than the SMALL size. Most SGs tend to run on STANDARD or larger. I'll be glad to chime in from time to time with advice, and I would recommend a few reading assignments first, namely "Cracker's Opening Play Sequence" and a few of the training games of old (shameless plug to follow), perhaps EG1. Happy Civing!

Demi-gods in training does sound good.

I think Rome would be good for a conquest win assuming we get iron, then we could get legionaries and go on the offensive early while the other civs are still relatively weak.

If culturally linked start is on i think it will mean we will have more chance of a start near carthage or persia instead of japan when we may start near mongolia or korea.

Originally posted by Sandrock LQ
kryszcztov -Any comments on our game settings, o fearless leader.:lol:

I ususally sleep at night !

OK guys, I had written my answers here, but the Internet connection messed, and the post was lost. I don't have the time to type it all over again right now. So I'll wait for tonight.

That's a pain in the ass when you lose a whole bunch of work and information like that. BTW everyone, I have updated the first page again to reflect the changes we have made. I'm going to try to put up a screenshot of our starting position, most likely I'll do it tonight.

I've attached an image of our starting position so we can discuss it. Before I get to that, a question. If smellincoffee only has plain vanilla Civ3 v1.29f, are we going to switch to that? Hopefully he's got PTW, but if I remember correctly, he said he was going to have to play at school for the time being.

Now our start position.
1)Sadly, no rivers in sight, although there might be one to the south. but it could be coastline.
2)Not many special tiles, but we do have an Ivory and 2 shield tiles.

I wonder if I should settle on that spot or move towards the coastline. Anyone have an opinion?

Originally posted by Sandrock LQ
Anyone have an opinion?
Yes, Sir ! Make your images smaller !!! :D Check in my games to see how I do.

Otherwise let's rewrite what I had to say...

I like the name you have. You could start a thread for each game you'll play, using a title like "DGITxx - Demi-Gods Romans vs. Warlord", but as you see, I suck at names too. You could keep this thread for your first game, or leave it for general information about the series to come. Your call.

As Speaker said (a great (RB)Civ player), read cracker's site, it's got a lot of useful stuff about the early game. Standard or small size for the map : I don't matter, though a small map could end quickly on Warlord, because you're gonna beat it so easily ! :)

I don't like Culturally linked on, but it's my personal opinion. your call again. With this option active, you'll always meet the same foes if you play the same civ all over again. Option off, and you don't know who is hiding behind the fog (OK, there is still the F10 option in PTW, but it adds variety).

I suggest you played accordingly to the civ. Here with Rome, you'd want to go warmongering, and to profit a lot from the gold you'll get in the end of the game (trade...).

About your starting position, once again I don't have time to say anything right now, but what if you started another game in another thread ? With culturally link off. And standard map. And try to upload the image, not attach it to the post.

Also I usually play with the RBCiv rules. Check them through my link if you want to hear from them. More on that later.

OK, I'll be back later.

Situation update: school's going to be closed for Thanskgiving ( :rolleyes: ), I won't be able to play civ. I think I can still get 30 minutes or so on the library most days, however. (I was once there for three hours before they noticed me...)

Shall we get an update roster? Maybe Smellincoffee should be put towards the bottom?

So...

Check the RBCiv rules (through my link), to see if you want to play accordingly to these rules : they are meant to have nicer games, where we don't fool the AI with stupid moves (like RoP rapes, or scroll ahead feature...). Tell me all if you want to use these rules, because that's my style of play. Otherwise I'll have to adapt, and it could get boring a little.

Also, if you could at least post all the settings of the game in one post for a reference...

That said, do you still want this starting position (out of nowhere) as your 1st game ? Your call, guys !! :D

For the turns report, you should detail as many things as possible in the beginning, because of the nature of the series. And 10 turns per player would definitely be in order.

EDIT : Here is the link (http://www.realmsbeyond.net/civ/etactics.html).

I'll take any challege. I don't mind this starting position. Its like 5 guys playing the same game. If we put our heads together no starting position is a bad starting position. Most of us got our own strategies probably already set, I mean we are not complete newbs to civ right? I'm just a newb to succesion games thats all.

Ok...lots to cover, so here we go.

Issue 1-Images: I agree that I should have resized that picture. I will do so when I start the thread for our first game, which I will do shortly after I finish this post. As far as putting images in posts, should I have used the <img> tag instead of the attach file box? Doesn't the <img> tag require the picture to be on a website?

Issue 2-Game Thread: As I just said, I will make a new thread for each of our games. I'll keep the name simple, probably close to what you suggested kryszcztov. I will post the link to that thread in this thread as well.

Issue 3-Cracker's Site: I have read it, and I'll probably give it one more look before I start with my turns.

Issue 4-Difficulty: I also sense that this is going to be an easy game, as I have beaten Warlord via conquest before. However, that was against one opponent. I think that this game is more to get used to a succession games, than anything else. Has there ever been a succession game where it was everybody's first SG?

Issue 5-Game Options: I intend to play many different types of games, with all different types of options. The only option we may never use is Chieftan Difficulty.

Issue 6-Rome: Once we get the Romans special unit, I think we'll be set. The fighting is actually the smallest of my worries. We'll see what happens.

Issue 7-RBCiv Rules: I read that, and for the most part, I don't try to do any of the things that are "dishonorable", but I may have done them without knowing before. Let's see what happens with this first game, and we'll see if we want to fully adopt the rules. Still, it is neat, that there are people who try not to cheat.

Issue 8-Smellincofee: As of right now, you are in the last slot, so your turn likely won't come up till Monday, next week. Also, do you have PTW?

Issue 9-Settings: I have all the settings listed in the first post of this thread. I will post them again, when I start our 1st game thread.

Issue 10-Turns: 10 turns a person sounds good to me.

Issue 11-Start Position: I'm gonna stick with the small map and this start position. It will give us at least a small challenge, trying to make our capital city grow. I believe I'm going to build on our start spot.

Did I miss anything?

Also, I have AIM if anyone wishes to chat. Username: SandrockLQ

Originally posted by Sandrock LQ
As far as putting images in posts, should I have used the <img> tag instead of the attach file box? Doesn't the <img> tag require the picture to be on a website?

That is the best way to do it. You will notice at the bottom of every page a 'upload file' link. This will bring up a window in which you can browse the directory structure of your computer and choose a file to upload. You can upload 3 files at a time.
Once you have the file uploaded you can open the uploads directory (Uploads 5 right now) and you should see your file at the top of the list (or very close to the top). Right click the link and click 'copy shortcut'.
Now click the img button and you can paste the link into the message that way. Voila, you're pic is in the post.

This is also the best way to post save game files. The only difference is you use the http button instead of the img button.

Posting saves and pics as attachments can cause server problems.
Hence the upload feature.

One more note on this subject. It is standard practice to use a zip program such as Winzip (http://www.winzip.com) to zip up save files before uploading them. Some games have suffered from corrupted files by posting .sav files. No one has ever had any problems (that I know of) from posting zipped save files.

HTH
Matt

I found the thread for uploading stuff, and I got that ironed out.

Corrupted files....yikes:eek:

I'll be sure to zip things up after I do my first ten turns.

BTW...fellow DGIT, our first game thread is up. You can find it here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69950

I have Conquests, so I can play PTW 1.27f. :)

Originally posted by Sandrock LQ
Has there ever been a succession game where it was everybody's first SG?
I imagine this was the case in the first ever succession game.:lol:

Best of luck to you guys. We'll be watching.