Havent made apoll in a while, but

What was the best leader in ww2, reffering to nation leaders.

this also is more about wether the leafder was effective in leading there antions in the war. this is not about moralities.

Churchill. Even after France had fallen, England was alone, and London was bombed, he still walked in public to raise morale amongst the common folk.

For me it's between Churchill and Roosevelt, and since I'm patriotic, I vote for Churchill and for the reasons Godwynn stated. I do admit though he screwed up a few campaigns such as O' Connors, some Balkan campaigns and so on which if he'd listened to sense wouldn't have happened.

I decline to vote for De Gaulle mostly because he screwed up the war effort over and over again for no other reason often than French pride and reputation. He was also far too arrogant for a jumped up divisional commander who had barely even seen combat during the 1940 campaign to comment on it.

Don't forget that De Gaulle wanted to annex to France some Italian valleys near the border at the end of the war.

Churchill did made some mistakes, specialy the delay in the Norway affair, but was good for my taste. Stalin and his purges are to be blamed for the inefficiency of the Red Army in 1941 and in the Finland War, so he probably the worst.

Franco stayed out of WWII, which was the smartest thing he could do. He never made a mistake, so technicly he's the best.

Umm... I don't understand what you mean with "stayed out of WWII". Franco sent "volunteers" to figth for Germany in the Russian Front, the so called "División Azul" (Blue Company). When it was clear to him that Germany was going to lost the war, he quickly sweep sides and stop helping the Axis to start helping the Allies and sending letters to him about the "Red (USSR) danger".

Churchill- fo rall the reasons stated above, and I have a picture of him very happilly flipping off the camera ;)

Christian X? who is he?

Christian X was the leader of Denmark at the time.

Patton

Originally posted by Enemy Ace
Patton

I think he mainly meant leaders of countries actually ;)

true, i mean heads of state, not generals. that poll will come soon enough *hint* :D

I believe that it was churchill.

Im also curious who voted hitler as the best war leader, i would have voted him the best war leader who led his country to total ruin.

I voted for Churchill over Roosevelt, primarily because of Roosevelts niavity over their Soviet "ally". If Frank had listened to Winston a little more the Cold War would have been much different.

Well, as for nations..............................

Churchill

true, churchill hated stalin, and it was stalin acting like a sop to roosevelt because of his insane losses that got stalin several concessions.

I really don't see how anyone could vote Stalin or Hitler...they were both freaking crazy, and their maniacal whims caused them both serious problems...I would have to say Churchill. None of the others can really compare to him, and that was when he was drunk.

I vote Churchill because he kept his country going while it was getting pounded. Roosevelt didn't really need to do much to get Americans going after Pearl Harbor, but he would be my second choice.

Originally posted by General Porkins
I really don't see how anyone could vote Stalin or Hitler...they were both freaking crazy, and their maniacal whims caused them both serious problems...I would have to say Churchill. None of the others can really compare to him, and that was when he was drunk.

stalin was the USSR's Churchill... in a more brutal light.

Indeed, though it is to be remembered that even Churchill had his moments. Not on the same scale as Stalin or Hitler in terms of murders, but he did I believe have some rather brutal suggestions for the repression of revolts in the middle east. Also on the remark about causing serious problems? Well Churchill's insistence on interfering in the african campaign under O'Connor to fight in a pointless and unwanted campaign in Greece cost the allies the best chance ever to capture North Africa. Before Rommel, before german chances to seize Egypt and so on. His whole mediteranian policy sucked frankly and he interfered in far too many decisions there even up to the end of the war.

Originally posted by Enemy Ace
Patton

What's so great about Patton?, his campaigns were usally cakewalks after the hard work had been done by others.
Plenty of Better Generals with lesser PR staffs.

Mao, he surivived both the Japanese and the Nationalists, and
when on the take over mainland China.

Churchill deserves the title of best leader...The UK was on the verge of collapse but his stubborn refusal to accept a peace deal with Hitler was a deciding factor in the war.

indeed, he was a model of british resistance to nazi agression and led his nation to victory.

Well, in all truth, Churchill had not a snowball in hell's chance of resisting the Germans had it not been for the United States supplying the British war effort. However, there is no doubt in my mind that there were many lesser men who would have surrendered or not even stood with Poland at all. For that, Churchill has my eternal respect.

Acting with the sure ability to succeed is nothing. Acting without it is the true mark of heroism.

Originally posted by Enemy Ace
Well, in all truth, Churchill had not a snowball in hell's chance of resisting the Germans had it not been for the United States supplying the British war effort.

Actually the snowball lasted in hell for more that two years without US aid.

Oh come now, they sold us some ancient destroyers in return for land did they not? ;)

churchill rallied his people, and lend-lease was in process in 1941, but as far as full military support, make that 3 years alone.

Who voted for Roosevelt? He was terrible.

Churchill. In the mid thirties he was a voice in the wilderness against the appeasement of Hitler. I can't beleive there are people out there voting for Hitler and Stalin. We all know Hitler ruined the German military and Stalin seemed to do everything in his power not to be ready for a war with Germany.
Also, who the hell voted for Hirohito, and why?

Originally posted by privatehudson
. His whole mediteranian policy sucked frankly and he interfered in far too many decisions there even up to the end of the war.

Dunno if I agree with you there. They acheived victory in the end which to me seems a pretty good result and they always controlled Gibraltar, Malta and the Suez, Strategically, probably the 3 most important places in the Med. Hitlers Med policy sucked and the Italians.......well they just sucked in general.

Churchill's obsession with the Balkans was ruinous. Any hopes of O Connor destroying the Italians in Africa for good were prevented by Churchill insisting on intervening in the Greek conflict, against the wishes of the original greek leader, against the advice of most of his military and against common sense. He pulled O Connor's veterans out of Africa on the verge of total victory and sent them to a campaign that made no sense. Any intervention was garunteed to be followed by a German invasion, something pretty much garunteed to defeat the few forces Churchill sent. O Connor's former troops went into POW camps, and the troops churchill replaced them with were badly equipped and green, they stood no chance of driving the Italians off, hence allowing Rommel to arrive and smash them into the middle of next week soon after. Churchill wasted the chance to drive the Italians and by extension the Germans from africa for good by his stupid policy decision.

He also obsessed about allying the Balkan nations against Hitler, forgetting to note that most of them had armies worth about as much as a choclate teapot. He wasted some valuable troops later in the war by invading some of the Greek Islands for no real gain most of the time. He also sacked a number of decent commanders of the Desert forces before settling on Montgomery, who IMO was one of the lesser commanders of what became the 8th Army.

It must be Churchill
When the Commonwealth was left alone fighting the seem to be hopeless war in Europe, he was the One who kept their morale and spirit. He made his people that there are chances to defeat Hitler

Originally posted by thestonesfan
Who voted for Roosevelt? He was terrible.

anyone disagree with this statement?