Rome was the capital of nearly the whole known world in ancient times, but it got no great wonder? I'm gonna change that ;) Here it is, the Insula!

Insula were the roman tenement houses. Just found in Rome and Ostia (Rome's ancient harbor) these buildings made it possible for Rome to be the biggest city in ancient world with around 1 million inhabitants.

As stats I suggest:
- Great Wonder
- Requires Construction
- Allows City size 3 (like hospital)
- eliminates citizen's pollution
- Expire with Electricity

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/meneteth/Civ3/InsulaLarge.jpg

Again no splash, found no good looking pic yet...sorry for that

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Another (better?) idea for a "Roman" wonder would be the Aqua Claudia (I think that was its name) - the huge aqueduct which provided water for Pompeii and surrounding towns. Puts an Aqueduct in every city (OK not every city needs one, but...)

Nice addition! -- and I'm always into alternate ways to raise city pop limits :)

Best,

Oz

Great addition. I agree with Oz on the city pop limit raising thingie :)

Originally posted by Tweedledum
Another (better?) idea for a "Roman" wonder would be the Aqua Claudia (I think that was its name) - the huge aqueduct which provided water for Pompeii and surrounding towns. Puts an Aqueduct in every city (OK not every city needs one, but...)

Hmm, maybe, but I think the Insulae are more worth to be a wonder, because they were something very special, and were not found anywhere alse than Rome and Ostia.

What if the city it's in is sive 13 when it expires?

Originally posted by Gogf
What if the city it's in is sive 13 when it expires?

Hmm, unfortunately I had no time to test that, but I think the city just would stop growing until you build a hospital

eliminates pollution? Rome was a very dirty city

Would it be possible to give it a second graphic with a Flat Topped Roof to represent Tenement Buildings in the 19th century to make it era-specific?

Originally posted by Ossric
eliminates pollution? Rome was a very dirty city

Eliminates pollution from citizens, thats just because you usually don't have 13+ size cities in ancient times. if the citizens start creating pollution at that time it would make too big changes in gameplay, as you would need time to clean pollution you could normally use to build roads, irrigation or mines...

Originally posted by Warlord 101
Would it be possible to give it a second graphic with a Flat Topped Roof to represent Tenement Buildings in the 19th century to make it era-specific?

giving it a flat topped roof wouldn't be that a big problem, but I think 19th century houses didn't looked similar to this, I guess they were completely made from bricks, not from wood in the upper floors...So it would need a whole new building for industrial era (and maybe medieval too)

Originally posted by Kenta'arka


Hmm, maybe, but I think the Insulae are more worth to be a wonder, because they were something very special, and were not found anywhere alse than Rome and Ostia.

Actually, I think they're both good ideas. Now if only I had any graphics skills, I could just modify the standard aqueduct graphic...

giving it a flat topped roof wouldn't be that a big problem, but I think 19th century houses didn't looked similar to this, I guess they were completely made from bricks, not from wood in the upper floors...So it would need a whole new building for industrial era (and maybe medieval too)

Some were wooden, I think, but many were brick and stone buildings. And had a privy outside.
So all that I guess would be necassary is that the building be made of only stone/brick and have a flat roof. Finally, they should only be 5 storeys tall and have windows closer together to represent the size of rooms.

Why 5 storeys? Before the Elevator, they didn't think people would want to walk up more then five floors.

Originally posted by Warlord 101


Some were wooden, I think, but many were brick and stone buildings. And had a privy outside.
So all that I guess would be necassary is that the building be made of only stone/brick and have a flat roof. Finally, they should only be 5 storeys tall and have windows closer together to represent the size of rooms.

Why 5 storeys? Before the Elevator, they didn't think people would want to walk up more then five floors.

5 floors? exactly like the one I made

Originally posted by Tweedledum


Actually, I think they're both good ideas. Now if only I had any graphics skills, I could just modify the standard aqueduct graphic...

if you can find me some good pics, I think i could create something ;)

Another improvement for increase population maybe the Cloaca maxima, the sewer system in Rome. It maybe also a wonder (only Rome had an efficient sewer system)

Rufus the splashmaster... We are waiting for you! :)

Originally posted by Rufus T.Firefly
Another improvement for increase population maybe the Cloaca maxima, the sewer system in Rome. It maybe also a wonder (only Rome had an efficient sewer system)

In my mod I do have the Cloaca Maxima as a wonder, allowing the city that builds it to grow into a metropolis before sewer systems are available. Works great.

5 floors? exactly like the one I made

Yes. But with the whole building constructed of Stone and/or brick with a flat roof and perhaps a Privvy outside.

Originally posted by Warlord 101


Yes. But with the whole building constructed of Stone and/or brick with a flat roof and perhaps a Privvy outside.

Sorry, but what is a privvy?

Originally posted by Kenta'arka


Sorry, but what is a privvy?

Thats were you do your personal business.

Originally posted by Kenta'arka


if you can find me some good pics, I think i could create something ;)

Couldn't find anything of the one in Pompeii (I think was actually the Aqua Augusta...), but this is the sort of thing I had in mind

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/aqueduct_segovia.jpg

This is the aqueduct in Segovia (Spain), but you get the general idea

Originally posted by Tweedledum


Couldn't find anything of the one in Pompeii (I think was actually the Aqua Augusta...), but this is the sort of thing I had in mind
[...]
This is the aqueduct in Segovia (Spain), but you get the general idea

Hmm, yeah I can do that...will add it to my list, but first I'm gonna finish another ancient wonder I'm working on... :)

Emperor Xerxes has hit the nail on the head there with his reply. Course, when your...effluence was leaking into the water supply and giving all around cholera, it wasn't so private anymore.

If my memory isn't failing, they look relatively similar to Outhouses (atleast I think that's what they were like up here in Scotland, I'm not old enough to know :) )

Ok, I have some further information. It turns out that later they forgot about the whole "only 5 floors" thing. Insted, later Industrial Tenements would have up to 14 floors. In the Modern Age, though, the Tenements in Britain from the Victorian Era were deemed unfit to live in and many were torn down. Later, though, they realised that they could be converted into Flats, which they did to many of the remaining ones.

Originally posted by Tweedledum


Couldn't find anything of the one in Pompeii (I think was actually the Aqua Augusta...), but this is the sort of thing I had in mind

[...]

This is the aqueduct in Segovia (Spain), but you get the general idea

Do you still want me to do that, or are you satisfied with Emperor Xerxes's Roman Aqueduct ?

Originally posted by Kenta'arka


Do you still want me to do that, or are you satisfied with Emperor Xerxes's Roman Aqueduct ?

The Roman Aqueduct looks fine to me. But thanks for the offer...

I really like this insula. Having a city that can grow to size 3 well before you can build hospitals is a really good idea IMHO.

Originally posted by Tweedledum


The Roman Aqueduct looks fine to me. But thanks for the offer...

ok, then there is no hurry to do my version, someday i will do that, as I don't like Xerxes C3 version, but so I got time... :)