After browsing the forum for a Medieval Iberia scenario, I couldn't find one. (Of course, this may be because I didn't look in every one of the freakin' 100+ forums in Creation & Customization alone. If someone else has had this idea, please just direct me to it.)

I've been considering making a Medieval (circa 1200) Iberia scenario, with Castile, Leon, Aragon, Portugal and Moors as some of the civs. (I'd probably include Navarre and possibly Basques-- if there are any others I would like to include them too.)

If anyone is interested, could they assist me with lists of cities and military/scientific leaders? It looks like there are enough units in the Conquests middle ages mod to supply UUs and such.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any help anyone can provide.

Wasn't Navarre the Basque kingdom? You could also include Valencia, and split up the Moors. Grenada, Cordba etc...

I've always wanted to see a scenario based on this idea and it'd be great for you or somebody else to create such a scenario. You should look for maps of Spain during this time, which was also called the Reconquista.

Now that I think of it there might be a scenario titled the Reconquista.. search the scenarios for that and if there isn't any one you should make one. Good luck. :thumbsup:

LouLong made a Reconquista scenario for Civ3, there was also a PTW beta version around, but im not sure if it ever became bug free. I do think he has some plans about a C3C version, but you would have to ask him;)

I've looked through Loulong's posts and he mentions his Reconquista scenario, but I can't find it. Regardless, I've conducted a lot of research to come up with the following:

Catholic Civs- León, Castille, Navarre, Aragón, Portugal
Moors- Granada, Murcia, Valencia
Possibly Provence as well, as the map of Iberia I found (by Mencey) includes that region.

I've gotten city lists for all civs except Provence, but I need scientific leader lists for Navarre, León, Aragón, Valencia, Murcia, and Provence. I also need military leader lists for the last three. I have the following leaders chosen:
León- King Alfonso
Castile- King Ferdinand
Granada- King Mohammad
Navarre- King Sancho
Aragón- Queen Petronilla
Valencia- (King?) al-Qadir
Murcia- Caliph Suleyman (I'm not really satisfied with this choice)
Portugal- King João
Provence- ?

The setting of this scenario is right after 1013, when the Córdoba Caliphate split into several kingdoms. If anyone knows any of the information I lack, I'd appreciate assistance.
(Oh, and thanks for your enthusiasm, Mobilize. :) )

Shouldn't Provence just be called France?

Looking forward to this. :)

No problem at all ;) . Sounds good so far, sounds like you're gonna do a great job. Can't wait! :goodjob:

Shouldn't Provence just be called France?

Well, here's the deal about that... For quite a bit of the time period of this scenario, France didn't own Provence. It was either part of the Kingdom of Arles (a satellite of the Holy Roman Empire) or a semi-independent county with the capital in Aix-en-Provence. I don't know which I should use, as the former is probably more accurate, but the latter just sounds better.

Either way, it seems odd to put a Provençal-speaking civ in with the Spaniards, Portuguese and Moors. They didn't really affect the politics of the Reconquista, except for border skirmishes with Aragón.

In addition, it's much harder to find information on medieval Provence. (Searching the web for it, there aren't as many sites in English: it seems the French are less likely than the Spaniards to present their material in anglais. Which is unfortunate, because I know some Spanish but hardly any French.) But I digress...

Post the links and git yourself a Frenchman to translate them... :cool:

I'm sure some of our French-speakers will be happy to lend a hand.

Provence can be left as something of a free agent maybe. (Although they probably wouldn't side with the Moors, so it might be good to find a way to prevent that from happening.

Originally posted by Adso de Fimnu
I've looked through Loulong's posts and he mentions his Reconquista scenario, but I can't find it. Regardless, I've conducted a lot of research to come up with the following:

Catholic Civs- León, Castille, Navarre, Aragón, Portugal
Moors- Granada, Murcia, Valencia
Possibly Provence as well, as the map of Iberia I found (by Mencey) includes that region.

I've gotten city lists for all civs except Provence, but I need scientific leader lists for Navarre, León, Aragón, Valencia, Murcia, and Provence. I also need military leader lists for the last three. I have the following leaders chosen:
León- King Alfonso
Castile- King Ferdinand
Granada- King Mohammad
Navarre- King Sancho
Aragón- Queen Petronilla
Valencia- (King?) al-Qadir
Murcia- Caliph Suleyman (I'm not really satisfied with this choice)
Portugal- King João
Provence- ?

The setting of this scenario is right after 1013, when the Córdoba Caliphate split into several kingdoms. If anyone knows any of the information I lack, I'd appreciate assistance.
(Oh, and thanks for your enthusiasm, Mobilize. :) )

Ferdinand was King of Aragon, not Castile, until he married Queen Isabella of Castile and became King of Spain. Of course, if you are including him, Cordoba/Cordova and Murcia are gone, with only Granada left standing of the Moorish nations. (I never understood why, in the Middle Ages conquest, the city was Cordoba but the nation was Cordova.)

Also, depending on what year the scenario takes place, you may want to include Catalonia as a separate civ from Aragon. After alll, Catalonia wasn't annexed by Aragon until fairly late in the Reconquista.

Also, if the scenario starts early enough, Galicia and Leon should be separate with Santiago de Compostela as the capital of Galicia.

Provence:
Ampurias
Marseille
Aix-en-Provence
Arles
Toulon
Montpellier
Avignon (If the map goes far enough north)
Cannes (If the map goes far enough east)
Andorra la Vella (I think...)
^
No particular order

Hi, as Yoda stated, I actually did a version for Civ3 then a beta for PTW but I was still not happy with the editor. I am actually working on a C3C version albeit slowly since RL BIG pbs have come on the way.
Many things are ready but I want to make things really correct this time and with the new editor I might add a few things (I must say I am really pleased by the Templar's wonder (!).
Actually this is a trying out test for the Grognards as well.

I can share my infos and I don't mind someone doing another scenario on the same theme. Emulation + choice = improvement for the players :p

What I really want to redo is the tech tree to make it more important (using the "Flavor") till 1492.
My period is right after 1085 till 1492. I have made some choices for civs that not everyone would agree about but I wanted to limit the civs (there should be an MP version too).
So my civs are :
Castille-Leon Alfonso VI, capital Leon
Aragon - Catalunya King Ramon Berenger III
Portugal count Henri de Chalons, capital Porto
France Philip the First, "capital" Toulouse
Provence count Berenger, capital Arles

Valencia : Lord Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (el Cid), capital Valence

Almoravids Emir Yusuf, capital Sevilla
Nasrids Sultan Muhammad V, capital Grenada
Almohads Calif Yusuf I, "capital" Tangiers
Muslim pirates Emir al Malik (el King), capital Palma

Historical inacurracies (assumed, there might be other ones ;) ) : el Cid captured Toledo in 1085 for Castilla then had to flee and created his own fief in Valencia. So Toledo should be castillan. Nevertheless I wanted Castilla to be a bit tougher so... Castilla and Leon are made on civ, so are Catalnuya and Aragon and Navarre is made a part of France.
The aim is to represent a weakened, rich and cultured but corrupted Almoravid civ facing both the Christian reconquista and the "pure" morrish Djihad of the Almohads with their African warfare system. At the same time Muslim pirates should be raiding the coasts (they have two bases in Provence too) while France should supply some troops for the crusades. El Cid should be the wild car and Portugal (Aviz) and Castilla (Al Cantara and Calatrava) have advanced military orders spawning strong troops.
It should reach the gunpowder age now and Aragon should get a powerful navy to clean the seas of the pirates.

What I might add : two taifas (small Muslim lordships) in Toledo and Saragossa) in locked war with Castilla and Aragon.

What I will change according to the new editor possibilities :
Almoravids in locked alliance with Nasrids, but in locked war with Almohads and France. + war with Portugal, Castille and Aragon probably.
Muslim pirates in locked war with all christian states.
Some "treasure" units among both Christians and Almoravids/Nasirds that represent ransomable prisonners (= you get money if you bring them back to your capital).

Not yet sure for the rest. As I said, units + RL have taken their toll recently...

Here is the bic version of my map if that interests you (the BIQ is not stable (civs and their cities yet) just for the civs and cities (units, builings, etc... are/will be much different).

In response to the above posts (I don't mean to sound so formal, I'm just responding):
I should have specified which leaders I meant: the Ferdinand who rules Castile in my scenario was Ferdinand I the Great, who reigned from 1035-1065. (Castile and León were joined in 1037, during his reign, but I'm overlooking that inconvenient fact. ;) ) Though my scenario will extend to Ferdinand of Aragón's reign, this wasn't the one I meant. Medieval Spaniards had very little originality in naming their kings: it seems nearly every one is named Ferdinand, Alfonso, Sancho, or Henry.

The more I think about it, the less satisfied I am with my progress so far. I need to try and have all the different civs be consistent, which is especially difficult between the Spanish and Moorish ones. Whenever the Spaniards had several different kingdoms (and Portugal was independent) the Moors had one, and vice versa. It's enough to give me a headache...

Anyway, thank you Loulong for your promising example. (I really like your El Cid=wildcard idea, and chances are your scenario will be much better than mine: this is the first scenario I've ever tried to do!)
Thanks to everyone for their input so far.