Due to the new thread about creating a Canadian civ (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72391) in the General Discussions forum, I felt the uncontrolable urge to actually create a mod that has Canada.

Yes, I do realize that a Canadian mod was already created (link: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7382 ), but that one just replaced the American civ with a Canadian civ.

Details

Leader: Prime Minister Trudeau (using Lincoln leaderhead)

Civ Removed: Iroquois (that way people can make wars equivalent to the War of 1812 -- either to re-enact it or to reverse the results)

Civ Traits: Expansionist / Agricultural (a lot of land area -- 2nd only to Russia -- and quite a bit of farming in the Prairies)

Unique Unit: Mountie (I considered the Arrow, but the previous mod used that)
Stats: 6 attack / 3 defence / 2 movement / 90 shields
Treats all terrain as roads
Available with Military Tradition and replaces Cavalry
Requires Iron and Saltpeter

Unfortunately, I'm not an artist, so I'm just using the Cavalry graphics for the Mounties. Also, I made both the Canadian civ and the American civ part of the European culture group instead of the Native American culture group -- IMO it just doesn't seem right building US or Canadian cities with pyramid structures in them.

BTW, thanks SuperBeaverInc. for your UU suggestion in the General Discussions thread -- I liked them, so I used them (thought you might like some credit).

To get the new Canadian mod, click this link (CONQUESTS ONLY): http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Canada.zip

EDIT: If I get some free time I'll make a PTW and Vanilla version and upload them.

If the mounties come at military tradition, could I recommend that the price be closer to 140 shields? Or more realistically 160? The point being that the gallic swordsman is 40 shields and comes with ironworking. The conquistador comes a full age and a half later, has the same stats but all terrain as roads, and costs nearly twice as much at 70 shields.

No, he made the Mountie pretty much the same as the Calvary, Cossack, and Hussar (if you added Austria) which is from 80-90 shields.

Somebody made a Mountie unit, it's really good. You should include those graphics rather than keeping with the Calvary graphics.

Originally posted by Mobilize
Somebody made a Mountie unit, it's really good. You should include those graphics rather than keeping with the Calvary graphics.

Oh, I didn't know that. Could you post a link to it so I can include it in the new version?

BTW, this is my first mod (so, for anyone who thinks it sucks, then you could be right).

EDIT: I went thread hunting and found the unit created by Doragon. I'll include it in the next version. Thanks Mobilize for telling me about that.

Originally posted by Mobilize
No, he made the Mountie pretty much the same as the Calvary, Cossack, and Hussar (if you added Austria) which is from 80-90 shields.

Somebody made a Mountie unit, it's really good. You should include those graphics rather than keeping with the Calvary graphics.

However my point is that with the All Terrain As Roads ability (ATAR), it should cost a LOT more. Think--a unit that in an army could pillage 16 times a turn, could take over a civ in one turn no problem, etc.

Originally posted by Hygro


However my point is that with the All Terrain As Roads ability (ATAR), it should cost a LOT more. Think--a unit that in an army could pillage 16 times a turn, could take over a civ in one turn no problem, etc.

Good point. Clearly I'm gonna need to tweak my mod a bit. But hopefully it wasn't that bad -- as far as inaugural mods go.

Actually Vancouver, I believe somebody actually made a Trudieu leaderhead(its animated, and era-specific!)

I think I saw it at a place called Civilization File Emporium if Im correct.

I'm looking for a Canadian 3d leader, but I did not find one. If it does not exist yet, I am a volunteer to produce one. Could u fellows help me with suggestions, civilopedia topics, city list, choose the great leaders, refrences...????

Theres a Douglas Mcarthur leaderhead availible on GIDustin's Website(look it up on google), its 3-D, animated, and era pacific.

Theres a Douglas Mcarthur leaderhead availible on GIDustin's Website(look it up on google), its 3-D, animated, and era pacific.

I think I checked the wrong web site, the leaderhead that I found was a photo. Do u know the link of GIDustin's Website?

heres a leader for ya mate

Louis Riel.....cept he WAS Maiti but I dunno...maybe General Wolf (even though he was English)

I did months ago the Canadian civilization, the link to download is http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1996234#post1996234

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/canada012.jpg

Check me home page out to download more civilizations, including the Haida and Sioux, the address is www.geocities.com/civ_army_1994

umm im canadian and i wanted a canadian civ in civ 3. i was wondering if there is any way tht someone could make this mod useable on Civ 3 Gold Edition or if theres a canadian civ out there tht will work on gold.. thanx a lot if ya can do it!

P-E Trudeau doesn't do a good Canadian leader IMHO. Not only was he extremely controversial ("In Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Canada has at last produced a political leader worthy of assassination," Irving Taylor), but he's just too modern and not historic enough.

Why didn't anybpody think about Sir John A. McDonald as the Canadian leader?

I like the traits, but not the leader.

Re War of 1812: How do you reverse a tie? :D

In Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Canada has at last produced a political leader worthy of assassination

Tactful. :rolleyes:
And I suppose that MacDonald's suppression of the North West rebellion and the subsequent execution of Louis Riel are totally uncontroversial.

In a modern perspective, yes. But then Macdonald was also our one most notable "founding father" and Canada's first Prime Minister (the second longuest serving one too!), it's also during his service that Canada's extension to the west was made. As a more general argument, I believe civIII leaders should be historic, not modern.

If the second métis rebellion is a controversial topic about canada's history, then the creation of Texas and California should be considered controversial in the USA's history, but that is beyond the point.

In the end, I just believe modern leaders should be left for modern mods.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against John A MacDonald (in fact, if he came back to life tomorrow, I would probably vote for him, especially given the quality our current leaders ;) ), but in my opinion, Canada didn't really come in to its own until the modern age, and Trudeau is probably the single most notable figure of this period.
Perhaps Lester B. Pearson would make a happy compromise. He's not quite as modern, and everybody seems to love him.

I guess we have an example of different basic opinions. I tend to believe Civ's spirit favors more ancient leaders. Macdonald or Laurier were MP during teh Canada's Epxansionist Golden Age and it's actual creation, which definitely makes them the best options in the spirit of the game, I think.

Of course, if you emphasize Canada's "International" golden age of post-war II, then the results change altogether. I still think Both Pearson and P-E Trudeau were too late players to be used as CivIII leaderheads, though. Mackenzie King could do the job IMHO, though.

That's the problem in CivIII with countries whose history has not been sufficiently iconified.

Just incase you want the complete list of Kings/Queens/Governor-generals/Prime Ministers to choose from....(It's quite lengthy)

Canada

Independent Monarchy in the British Commonwealth 01.07.1867

(Queens/Kings)
Victoria (1819-1901) 01.07.1867-22.01.1901
Edward VII (1841-1910) 22.01.1901-06.05.1910
George V (1865-1936) 06.05.1910-20.01.1936
Edward VIII (1894-1972) 20.01.1936-11.12.1936
George VI (1895-1952) 11.12.1936-06.02.1952
Elizabeth II (1926) 06.02.1952-



(Governors-general)
Charles Stanley, Viscount Monck of Ballytrammon (1819-1894) 01.07.1867-02.02.1969
Sir John Young (since 1870 John Young, Baron Lisgar) (1807-1876) 02.02.1869-25.06.1872
Frederick Hamilton-Temple- Blackwood, Earl of Dufferin (1826-1902) 25.06.1872-25.11.1878
John Douglas Sutherland-Campbell, Marquess of Lorne (1845-1914) 25.11.1878-23.10.1883
Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, Marquess of Lansdowne (1845-1927) 23.10.1883-11.06.1888
Frederick Arthur Stanley, Baron Stanley of Preston (1841-1908) 11.06.1888-18.09.1893
John Campbell Hamilton-Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen and Temair (1847-1934) 18.09.1893-12.11.1898
Gilbert John Elliot-Murray- Kynynmound, Earl of Minto (1845-1914) 12.11.1893-10.10.1904
Albert Henry George Grey, Earl Grey (1851-1917) 10.10.1904-13.10.1911
Arthur William Albert, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (1850-1942) 13.10.1911-11.11.1916
Victor Christian William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire (1868-1938) 11.11.1916-11.11.1921
Julian Hedworth George Byng, Baron Byng of Vimy (1862-1935) 11.11.1921-02.10.1926
George Freeman Freeman-Thomas, Viscount Willingdon (1866-1941) 02.10.1926-04.04.1931
Vere Brabazon Ponsonby, Earl of Bessborough (1880-1956) 04.04.1931-04.11.1935
John Buchan, Baron Tweedsmuir of Elsfield (1875-1940) 04.11.1935-11.02.1940
Augustus Alexander George Cambridge, Earl of Athlone (1874-1957) 11.02.1940-12.04.1946
Harold Alexander, Viscount Alexander of Tunis (1891-1969) 12.04.1946-28.02.1952
Vincent Massey (1887-1967) 28.02.1952-15.09.1959
George Philias Vanier (1888-1967) 15.09.1959-05.03.1967
Roland Michener (1900-1991) 17.04.1967-14.01.1974
Jules Léger (1913-1980) 14.01.1974-22.01.1979
Edward R. Schreyer (1935) 22.01.1979-14.05.1984
Jeanne Sauvé (1922-1993) 14.05.1984-29.01.1990
Ramon Hnatyshyn (1934-2002) 29.01.1990-08.02.1995
Roméo LeBlanc (1927) 08.02.1995-07.10.1999
Adrienne Clarkson (1939) 07.10.1999-



(Prime Ministers)
Sir John Alexander Macdonald (1815-1891) 01.07.1867-05.11.1873
Alexander Mackenzie (1822-1892) 07.11.1873-17.10.1978
Sir John Alexander Macdonald (2nd term) 17.10.1878-06.06.1891
John Abbott (1821-1893) 16.06.1891-24.11.1892
John Sparrow David Thompson (1844-1894) 05.12.1892-12.12.1894
Mackenzie Bowell (1823-1917) 21.12.1894-27.04.1896
Charles Tupper (1821-1915) 01.05.1896-08.07.1896
Sir Wilfried Laurier (1841-1919) 11.07.1896-06.10.1911
Robert Laird Borden (1854-1937) 10.10.1911-10.07.1920
Arthur Meighen (1874-1961) 10.07.1920-29.12.1921
William Lyon Mackenzie King (1874-1950) 29.12.1921-28.06.1926
Arthur Meighen (2nd term) 29.06.1926-25.09.1926
William Lyon Mackenzie King (2nd term) 25.09.1926-06.08.1930
Richard Bedford Bennett (1870-1947) 07.08.1930-23.10.1935
William Lyon Mackenzie King (3rd term) 23.10.1935-15.11.1948
Louis St. Laurent (1882-1973) 15.11.1948-21.06.1957
John George Diefenbaker (1895-1979) 21.06.1957-22.04.1963
Lester Bowles Pearson (1897-1972) 22.04.1963-19.04.1968
Pierre Elliott Trudeau (1919-2000) 20.04.1968-04.06.1979
Charles Joe Clark (1939) 04.06.1979-03.03.1980
Pierre Elliott Trudeau (2nd time) 03.03.1980-30.06.1984
John Turner (1929) 30.06.1984-17.09.1984
Martin Brian Mulroney 17.09.1984-25.06.1993
Kim Campbell (1947) 25.06.1993-04.11.1993
Jean Chrétien (1934) 04.11.1993-
Paul Martin (1938) 12.12.2003-

Why not William Lyon Mackenzie King He was PM for what 22 years over 3 terms?

Mackenzie King is notable for being around for the longest time, but not much else. He's not what you would call a 'great leader' in the order of some of the other Prime Ministers.
I generally tend to think of Canada as being a modern civilization (and that it should therefore have a modern leader), but perhaps I am being too rigid. Perhaps MacDonald may be a good choice. Maybe we should go back even further and consider Isaac Brock or Samuel du Champlain.
I think that we should all agree though that all British and French monarchs should be entirely out of consideration.

I wouldn't personnally go that far. I'd stop with the creation of the Dominion of Canada and not go much farther. If I admit in the end it's all up to the modder, I definitely think that politicians that went to power after 1920 are inappropriate for the Civ spirit, unless you are making a modern mod, off course!

Champlain (or any of the early New-France Governor) would not do IMHO, though they would perform well as Québécois leaders :mischief:

Personally, It does not really matter to me how recent a leader is. (Well, most of the time.) I'll still have them in my game. But, for my own Canadian civ, I do have Champlain as leader. Although he's pre-confederation, and not really the greatest of the leaders to choose from, I wanted something a bit different, and besides, there's a leaderhead that fits him almost dead-on.

I want to do a second Canadian civilization, this time using a female leaderhead (3d-anim-era specific) and Avro Arrow like UU. Anyone would like to suggest me a name? I could use the same city list and leaders list of my other Canadian civilization (Tradeau like leader)

thanks!!!

Canada has only had one female Prime Minister, and she only reigned for nine months in 1993, and most people don't think that she was very good.
There have however been several powerful women in Canada who never actually became Prime Minister. The one that I would choose is the relatively obscure Senator Cairine Wilson (http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/015017/f4/9801-photo2.gif), who was the first female senator in Canadian history, and was well known for her principled stands on various issues, as well as her agitating for social reform. She also argued that Canada should accept Jewish refugees from Europe in the years leading-up to the Holocaust (too bad she was ignored :(. Thanks to the influence of certain antisemetic members of parliament, as well as Mackenzie King's personal biases, Canada's record on Jewish immigration shames us to this day). She was also willing to say that which few others apparently were; that global order was increasingly threatened by Fascist governments in Germany, Italy and Japan.