Seeing through the history of some of the greatest nation!Who do you think will be the next superpower includin economy?
Will it be China,or will it be still USA,or of a so called United Europe?

have you notice this superpowernations are going east to west...

SPnations in order Indians... persic ...egypt...turks with greeks...romans...germany...france...UK....US...an d then its going back to asia(china) ...then its gonna be India again...

haha, India, IMHO it's not that likely :p

Just read a news article that the PM of India said: "Many(who?) said the 21th century belongs to India, however the Chinese was already a huge step ahead of us"

Ironic?

Isn't India trying to grab the most populous country title from China? IMHO that's not a very wise thing to do........

Russia crumbled. If China and Us and UE can get along, then we are going to have world peace.

Russia may have crumbled but it still got hell of a lot of nukes lying around. That alone would still make it a great power at least today. Even the US steps carefully around Russia.
And India got too many internal problems. Esp with religion and ethnicity.

I hate the fact that we are the world most populous nation!300 million citizens should be good and could speed up the developing process!

I think that Russia eventually will join NATO or even perhaps the EU, and since Europe and the US are great friends, I think. They will come closer friends over time. And forms a superpower. And China is changing its policy a bit I think and could become friends or at least a content relationship with all people. After all the cultural differences are fading away. And people don't want to make war upon each other cause lot of people have friends or aquantences( don't know how to write this word just get it out of its context) and don't want to make war upon them.

As I see it, the most advanced cultures/countries won't have any wars again. :goodjob:

Russia joining NATO or EU will not be fun.Historically,Russian soldiers somewhat dont like Europe.Russian soldiers hate Europe or US do u know that.Maybe because of the Cold War influence!The end of Cold War marked the end of exciting part of Modern War!Russia,India,China should be one organisation VS NATO that will be exciting!Western will never bully the Asians again!

That won't happen, China or India have nucleair weapons and so attacking a country like that would be something like suicide. There is no gain in it. There never was anyhow.

And Russia joining India and China that is something I never see that happening. I think they rather be on their own.

About the bullying part, what do the western countries do to bully China. I can think of only one thing and that is human rights. And I think that is a good thing, however the US should shut up after all they never cancelled the death penalty.

Fayadi perhaps you can give some examples in bullying

"Western will never bully the Asians again!"

This is just an inferiority complex.:)

~Chris

hehe, here is my bet, 100 years later, the greatest nation is



























the united earth directorate
:p

China was never bullied now but in the past China lost Hong Kong to Britain because of Opium War(thats so cheap and inhuman).So sad at that time China was weak!British occupied large part of Asia,Africa. Slave trading happened under British!Netherland occupied Indonesia for about more than a century!The people there was treated very bad and what the Netherlands think was only to gain money from the spices!In the history there are so many case of Western bullying the Asians!

Fayadi ofcourse that is true and I don't like that part of my countries history but, people are different nowadays. You should look into the future not the past.

Originally posted by Strik
Fayadi ofcourse that is true and I don't like that part of my countries history but, people are different nowadays. You should look into the future not the past.

please listen to him, Fayadi. And just shut up:p:p:p

U from Netherland?Sorry...I didnt know!Lets be peaceful here previously I only thought that if some Asians form an organisation like NATO does it will be good!I was just trying to tell just as simple as that!

apolagies accepted. But I don't mind, it is part of our history after all.
And an asian superpower. This sounds really like superpowers should be race based. I guess you don't mean that, but if something like that would happen. Again the misunderstanding between people all over the world would become greater. I think the human race needs to come together only then there will be peace.

In history most wars are started because of cultural difference and misunderstanding causing people to fear it.
The goal of the future must be to teach all people things about foreign cultures, so they aren't astranged to it. And have no fear.
All people are afraid of things they don't know.

I hope you will agree on that.

Originally posted by Strik
apolagies accepted. But I don't mind, it is part of our history after all.
And an asian superpower. This sounds really like superpowers should be race based. I guess you don't mean that, but if something like that would happen. Again the misunderstanding between people all over the world would become greater. I think the human race needs to come together only then there will be peace.

In history most wars are started because of cultural difference and misunderstanding causing people to fear it.
The goal of the future must be to teach all people things about foreign cultures, so they aren't astranged to it. And have no fear.
All people are afraid of things they don't know.

I hope you will agree on that.

I agree on most of what you said except the foreign culture:p

Being a free spiritist, I have no problem understand and comprehend any religion in the world. Relgion isn't a problem, race isn't a problem, and wealth also isn't a problem.

However, let see how much a understanding a true Christian will have upon Islamic people. I don't think that will work at all.

So as I said, the simplest and most straight forward solution is to create a new race/religion, call the "United Earth Directorate". Then all of us will have something to share with and humanity will united.

Granted, until an alien race's galactic battleship is pointing its ionic cannons at earth, our newest religion won't exist:p

Come on, let's think of the next super power as the united human race. I mean aren't we all tire of the bullying between human?

Originally posted by Strik
In history most wars are started because of cultural difference and misunderstanding causing people to fear it.


Excuse me?

War has always been a political tool, and most of the time it is fought over resources or territory. Even when Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia were fighting over the Levant, it always came down to the resources they were trying to gain.

Although, since most wars have a large number of causes, there may be one or two that were fought over cultural fear, I can honestly say that I cannot think of a single war that was started because one culture didn't understand the other.

As for who will be the next superpower...I honestly think we've seen the end of the age of superpowers. The United States is no longer the powerhouse it once was, and even if it was, there's no opposing force. I believe we honestly are at the dawning of the era of the global village.

(On a side note, in order to be a superpower in this day and age requires four things: a large military, the ability to deploy them anywhere in the world at will, a large territory with lots of natural resources, and a strong economy. While several countries have the military and the economy, pretty much the only nations with the geography to pull it off are Canada, the United States, and Russia. China and India are both landlocked and only have access to one ocean. And, Russia isn't interested in another Cold War.)

Best regards to all,

Robert Marks

Originally posted by Fayadi
China was never bullied now but in the past China lost Hong Kong to Britain because of Opium War(thats so cheap and inhuman).So sad at that time China was weak!British occupied large part of Asia,Africa. Slave trading happened under British!Netherland occupied Indonesia for about more than a century!The people there was treated very bad and what the Netherlands think was only to gain money from the spices!In the history there are so many case of Western bullying the Asians!
Well, I hope noone mention Taiwan or Nepal... oops...

Originally posted by Fayadi
Russia joining NATO or EU will not be fun.Historically,Russian soldiers somewhat dont like Europe.Russian soldiers hate Europe or US do u know that.Maybe because of the Cold War influence!The end of Cold War marked the end of exciting part of Modern War!Russia,India,China should be one organisation VS NATO that will be exciting!Western will never bully the Asians again!

Actualy that would be a splendid idea. A US-EU-Russia alliance is the most likely scenario.

I trained with Russian soldiers once, and they liked Americans and Europeans very much.

Originally posted by Fayadi
U from Netherland?Sorry...I didnt know!Lets be peaceful here previously I only thought that if some Asians form an organisation like NATO does it will be good!I was just trying to tell just as simple as that!

There already is one. SEATO.

Originally posted by Fayadi
China was never bullied now but in the past China lost Hong Kong to Britain because of Opium War(thats so cheap and inhuman).So sad at that time China was weak!British occupied large part of Asia,Africa. Slave trading happened under British!Netherland occupied Indonesia for about more than a century!The people there was treated very bad and what the Netherlands think was only to gain money from the spices!In the history there are so many case of Western bullying the Asians!

This is really rediculous, Fayadi. China has done its share of bullying, just like EVERY country.

Why are you so afraid of the US? Most Americans love your culture, and some visit your country for leisure.

Americans have no problem with the Chinese people. Hell, theres millions of Chinese-Americans! Most Americans have some problems with your government, and its policies, but we dont have any plans to invade on the table.:D We dont view you as an enemy.

You talk about unity and peace, how about a US-China alliance?
I think our two countries could do alot of good, together. Dont you?

I have to agree with Garwulf, most wars a fought for greed. Power.

Nationalism and Race are rarely the cause. A red-herring.

Originally posted by joespaniel


This is really rediculous, Fayadi. China has done its share of bullying, just like EVERY country.

Why are you so afraid of the US? Most Americans love your culture, and some visit your country for leisure.

Americans have no problem with the Chinese people. Hell, theres millions of Chinese-Americans! Most Americans have some problems with your government, and its policies, but we dont have any plans to invade on the table.:D We dont view you as an enemy.

You talk about unity and peace, how about a US-China alliance?
I think our two countries could do alot of good, together. Dont you?

very well said :D

let's get rid of all government and adopt pure Marxist communism aka anarchism :p Oh get rid of religion as well so everyone can be truely equal.

If not, we can always elect a pacifist Canadian leader :p



On another note, the issue about Taiwan: First of all, Taiwan is part of China. Don't argue with me on this one cause even US agree with it. Why the Chinese government and Taiwanese government are having this compatiable problem is not my business. All I'm saying is, since China is bullying(if you can prove it), then it's nothing more than US bullying California. Get my point? :p

The Taiwan problem probably deserve it's own thread, if furthur discussion is needed than why not create a new thread?

Where is Napel?:confused:

Aren't countries only allowed to join NATO if they're in the vicinity of the north atlantic. North Atlantic Treaty Organization...that was my point of view.

Good proposal of alliance but!!Somebody here asked me to give me examples of western bullying,then I just give out some!They asked for the example!I give the example not to receive criticism from people(not you Joe).I get your points,and I wanna clear something Chinese never feared anybody!Please stop saying we fear US something like that(unless you got evidence).Anyway alliance will be good,but it seems impossilbe given the political problems we had in the past and present,and a lot misunderstanding!

Originally posted by Fayadi
Good proposal of alliance but!!Somebody here asked me to give me examples of western bullying,then I just give out some!They asked for the example!I give the example not to receive criticism from people(not you Joe).I get your points,and I wanna clear something Chinese never feared anybody!Please stop saying we fear US something like that(unless you got evidence).Anyway alliance will be good,but it seems impossilbe given the political problems we had in the past and present,and a lot misunderstanding!

You are a good example of a misunderstanding. :p
You are losing it again. Can you just drop your nationalism a bit and at least look at the world from a less bias point of view? We DON"T care who the Chinese fear or who fear the Chinese buy why do you care so much? This is the internet after all.

on a side note. Today's newspaper said something about China being the largest electronic and computer component producer in the next 10 years. Does that mean we all are going to get another discount? :p



Anyways, why not just disband the NATO? What's the point of it now? Cold war ended in 1989 as well as soviets union and the WARSAW pact were history.

Taiwan&China sounds bit like Finland&Soviet Union at the WWII. I'm quite sure that most of the world thought that Finland belonged to the Soviet Union, but I'm quite sure also that the Finnish didn't think so. Even our sweet little ally Germany was ready to consider Finland to be part of Soviet. It seems that things turned out differently...

Originally posted by SunTzu
Aren't countries only allowed to join NATO if they're in the vicinity of the north atlantic. North Atlantic Treaty Organization...that was my point of view.

turkey has been in nato for a while and didn´t czech republic or any other eastern european country join nato some years ago?

Originally posted by Joespaniel
I have to agree with Garwulf, most wars a fought for greed. Power. Nationalism and Race are rarely the cause. A red-herring

Sorry, but I thought WWI was justly about exacerbated nationalism (the rising new empires) and WWII about races (nazism). The Franco-Prussian war of 1870 was also about nationalism (for instance, to which culture did Alsace and Lorraine belong to). Otherwise, you are probably right, for a big part.
:nuke: ;)

Originally posted by joespaniel
There already is one. SEATO. Is it still active? The only military grouping I know of that's still active today in SE Asia is the Five Powers Defence Agreement, a leftover fr the days when British Malaya and Spore got their independence and got no real military and when Communism was still very much a real threat. Consists of Britain, Australia, NZ, Msia and Spore.

Why is it called the North Atlantic Treaty Organization when there are countries in the middle east like Turkey in it. Plus Greece............................:confused:

Originally posted by cataclysm
On another note, the issue about Taiwan: First of all, Taiwan is part of China. Don't argue with me on this one cause even US agree with it. Why the Chinese government and Taiwanese government are having this compatiable problem is not my business. All I'm saying is, since China is bullying(if you can prove it), then it's nothing more than US bullying California. Get my point? :p

The Taiwan problem probably deserve it's own thread, if furthur discussion is needed than why not create a new thread?

Where is Napel?:confused: Allan, Fayadi and I got a 'discussion' bout Taiwan in the Off-topic thread about rating President Bush. Mostly resolved (I hope) over there.
And I think that's Nepal. ;) It's the only Hindu kingdom that didn't fall to the Brits cos of Qing Chinese protection (it's a tributary state or something). Even up till almost the end of the Qing dynasty, they were still sending tribute to the Qing court. But not really a part of Qing China. And apparently, it had escaped the notice of the Chinese Communists (who were seeking to 'restore' the Qing empire). :eek:

Originally posted by SunTzu
Why is it called the North Atlantic Treaty Organization when there are countries in the middle east like Turkey in it. Plus Greece............................:confused: It originally started out with only member countries on both sides of the North Atlantic. Later it grew to incl other perpheral countries (cos of the Cold War, communists etc). Guess it's just too inconvenient to rename the alliance just cos of a few out-of-place (minor) member countries.

As far as I know, SEATO is still in effect. I never heard anything otherwise.

There is also ANZUS, and a separate US-ROK and US-Taiwan defense. The armistance with Japan binds the US to defense as well. Im fuzzy on the last one, and it has been modified many times.

Man, we have alot of treaties! Better to have alot of friends, I always say...;)

Milosevich was clearly a threat to peace in Europe, and NATO should have done more than send MPs. The French Foriegn Legion should have waxed his nazi @$$!

Thats my only negative comment about NATO. Otherwise it gives me a warm fuzzy to go to sleep knowing Europe has our back, and they are proving it right now. Its nice to see all the support America is getting in this time of war.

It may not be as necessary as it was when the USSR was still around, but NATO can still do some good business, and deter future European wars.

I think it may be about time for a global alliance, seperate from the UN and anything else. A treaty of mutual defense and protection, attack one and you attack all kind of thing. Its major focus aimed at rouge states and (gasp) limiting the US from future military operations.

Look at it this way, if you combine NATO, ANZUS, China, Russia and a couple dozen more countries, whose left to fight?:lol:

Originally posted by joespaniel

Look at it this way, if you combine NATO, ANZUS, China, Russia and a couple dozen more countries, whose left to fight?:lol:

Bin Laden?:lol:

Let's all go after his sorry @$$:D

Hmmm, SEATO is still active? Strange cos never hear of it even though I grew up and live in the region. But then, the US armed forces conducts annual joint training sessions with Thailand (and Spore occasionally) so maybe that's for SEATO. Just that they're keeping it very low-key.
Remember once Msia conducted joint exercises with US Marines. That sure got all the fundies in the country jumping up and down and hopping mad. :lol: Something bout giving away national secrets. :lol: You know ..... fundies. :lol:

A world treaty that is militarily binding!
A capital idea!
The main obstacle will be what to call it.
My two ideas are the Coalition Liberating International Territories Of Renegade Internal Sedition, the only down side of which is the initials are C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S....;)

I think it may be about time for a global alliance, seperate from the UN and anything else. A treaty of mutual defense and protection, attack one and you attack all kind of thing

Watch out with these alliances. The first World War erupted so quickly because of such alliances. Britain, France and Russia had a treaty of mutual protection, and so did Germany, Austro-Hungary and Italy. A single offence on one part and all these countries are drawn into a bloody war (pun not intended). The cold war happened because of alliances (NATO vs Warsaw Pact). If it had degenarated into an open war, all these nations would have shot at each others barbarically (and with nukes!), including their allies all around the world.

:nuke: :nuke: :tank: :ripper: :nuke: :sniper: :rocket: :ak47: :rocket3:

:smoke:

Originally posted by Julien


Watch out with these alliances. The first World War erupted so quickly because of such alliances. Britain, France and Russia had a treaty of mutual protection, and so did Germany, Austro-Hungary and Italy. A single offence on one part and all these countries are drawn into a bloody war (pun not intended). The cold war happened because of alliances (NATO vs Warsaw Pact). If it had degenarated into an open war, all these nations would have shot at each others barbarically (and with nukes!), including their allies all around the world.

That's why we want a global alliance instead of NATO + some other:p

So there is no "these" alliances, but rather "the" alliance

I know! Let's call it the Global Defense Initiative. Or GDI for short. :) Main aim of the alliance is to take a pro-active approach to intl security problems (hence Initiative). Hit them before they hit us. Hit them hard.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I know! Let's call it the Global Defense Initiative. Or GDI for short. :) Main aim of the alliance is to take a pro-active approach to intl security problems (hence Initiative). Hit them before they hit us. Hit them hard.

GDI...... C&C?:D:D:D

how about UED(United Earth Directorate) from Starcraft?:p

but to become UED we need some sort of hostile alien life form that we all have to go against....



Shouldn't be hard.. I mean if there is anything in Mars.....
I remember a guy in an alien vs predator2 forum said:

our(marine) motive is the most simple and straightforward one. If the thing looks different........kill it. If it moves.......kill it. If it walk on walls........kill it. If it is invisible.......find it then kill it.

I don't understand why people get pissed off about past exploitation. It is human nature to exploit those weaker than you for your own benefit. It may not be right, but 6,000 years of this type of behavior doesn't seem like an aberration.

Originally posted by Tariq
I don't understand why people get pissed off about past exploitation. It is human nature to exploit those weaker than you for your own benefit. It may not be right, but 6,000 years of this type of behavior doesn't seem like an aberration.

I agree with you, but just keep in mind that sometimes the weak pushes back(Sep 11);)

Because of advance technology, no one can really push the weak as they did before. This is the reason why modern time is so different than our history.

And even you know that it may not be right. so if you know it's not right will you still do it? What if you are on the recieving end?

It's about time to think not just "beneifit you", or me, or anyone. We should go beyound that, and drop our selfishness. Let's think "benefit to mankind", shall we?:king:

I am closing this thread because you started a thread in OT that is exactly the same.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7310
all futher posts should be directed here.
Fayadi, this is a warning. Do not make multiple threads about the same exact subject even if they are in different forums.