What famous city/country/state/etc.. would you have wanted to Liberate or be apart of the liberation? Personally, I would of loved to have liberated the French from the Nazi forces in WW2. ( I can imagine the party after allied tanks went by. :crazyeye: :lol: [party] :tank: )

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I wanne free Tibet!

I definitly would have loved to free Paris on the August, 25th 1944. It was such a great day. My grand parents often talk to me about the day when Paris had been freed. Obviously, it's the day they remember the best in their lives.

In my small scale, the day I remember the most as a mutual celebrity is the July 12th, 1998 when France had won the World Cup. Oh boy, they were 1.5 million people on the Champs-Elysées !! It was party all over the city ! I remember the subway was balancing because everybody were jumping in it !! Everyone was kissing each other... It was my biggest fiesta ever, by far. :)

For example, the December 31st, 1999 fiesta was still to be remembered but a lot less spontaneous and funny (People weren't kissing each other in the street like after the World Cup)

I want to liberate the state from federal rule! :yeah:

Well, I thought about saying France or the Benelux countries in 1944/45 but on second thought that doesn't sound like such a good idea.

But I would like to have been present when Germany won the World Cup in 1954, preferably without knowing it before.

I would have liberated Egypt from Persian/Graeco-Roman conquest!:yeah:

I would also want to liberate Tibet, an it would've been cool if I could have taken Paris by storm in liberating it from Nazi.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, HITLER!
:tank::soldier:

I probably would have liked to liberate India from the British. In my eyes it was the most noble liberation in all of history. I would like to have known Ghandi personally and been able to learn from him.

I'd love to liberate myself from Bavarian rule. What a feeling that would be...

I would have loved to be there the day women declared liberation and burned their bra's... oops, you meant city right? ;)

Being in the forces would have been alright, but given the recriminations in the aftermath of liberation I would personally not liked to have hung around to discover who would be accused of being a collaborator (rightly or wrongly).

Something I always remembered was reading about this British recce tank officer who was pushing on through eastern france during the race to the belgian border. Passing this town he found some two dozen german soldiers who surrendered on the spot. Unable to remain in the town due to a need to move on he found the local resistance leader and in his thick scottish accent asked him to "hang on to these prisoners for me". The next day he returned to the town and entered the square only to find all 24 hanging from lamposts.....

Finding the leader he demanded an explanation, but never discovered whether the resistance leader truly did misunderstand him and thought he said "hang these prisoners for me" or did it simply out of revenge. :(

War is hell, I don't think I'd be that happy being a part of any of it.

Being able to liberate a place like Treblinka would be like instantly being given a reason for having been born.

I'd only have liberated Paris if the German general inchange had done what he was ordered and burned the city.

I would've loved to liberate either Warsaw (especially in 1944, when the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was at its height, and Soviet troops were not that far from Warsaw but did not attack the city, letting the uprising collapse and killing one of its orchestrators - Mordechai Anielewicz :( RIP, Mordechai ), or one of the concentration camps from the Nazis.
EDIT: Well they didn't kill him but their refusal to go into Warsaw when the Uprising occured contributed to his death at the hands of the Nazis. IIRC, he was killed when the Nazis bombarded the Ghetto, reducing most, if not all, of it to mountains of rubble.

Originally posted by andrewgprv
I probably would have liked to liberate India from the British. In my eyes it was the most noble liberation in all of history. I would like to have known Ghandi personally and been able to learn from him.

How can the greatest humiliation of The British Empire, the fall of its most prized gems and the separation of India into two countries, be a noble liberation?

Not to mention learning from a hypocrite like Ghandi.

Originally posted by shunzhi


How can the greatest humiliation of The British Empire, the fall of its most prized gems and the separation of India into two countries, be a noble liberation?

Well alot of people don't see the British Empire as a good thing.

India was a huge nation that was liberated with little blood spilled. Considering liberations have a history of violenece I would call that noble.

Originally posted by Chauliodus
Not to mention learning from a hypocrite like Ghandi.

Elaborate please.

I would have liked to have been in Berlin during the fall of the Berlin wall.

I'd like to liberate Australia from that old blood sucking relic of an age gone long ago - The Queen. :)
I would also like to liberate a leg of ham from the fridge.

Elaborate please.

He's refusal to allow the Untouchables equal rights, wanting them, rather, to know their place and be quiet. He never defended them, only wanted people to pity them instead of treating them like ****.

Well, I just like ham you know? Don't you like ham?

Paris. Bring on da wimmins!

Originally posted by Kamilian1
I would've loved to liberate either Warsaw (especially in 1944, when the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was at its height, and Soviet troops were not that far from Warsaw but did not attack the city, letting the uprising collapse and killing one of its orchestrators - Mordechai Anielewicz :( RIP, Mordechai ), or one of the concentration camps from the Nazis.
EDIT: Well they didn't kill him but their refusal to go into Warsaw when the Uprising occured contributed to his death at the hands of the Nazis. IIRC, he was killed when the Nazis bombarded the Ghetto, reducing most, if not all, of it to mountains of rubble.

Wrong

1. The Warsaw GHETTO Uprising was in april 1943 (the Soviets were still far away), Anielewicz commited suicide together with his comrades in the last bunker of the Ghetto, when all was lost, rather than fall alive in the hands of the Germans. Marek Edelman, the only surviving Ghetto Uprsing Leader, still living in Poland, wrote very interesting books about this Uprising and the horrific life in the Ghetto during the war.

2. You are talking about the much larger 1944 Waraw Uprising of the Home Army (Armia Krajowa=Polish Resistance, under control of the Polish Government-in-Exile in London) together the smaller Armia Ludowa (Polish Communist Resistance) which fought together from 1 august 1944 to 2 october 1944 in a savage battle against the Germans while the Red Army sat idly by on the other side of the river Wisla which divides Warsaw in two, literally watching the events unfold... Warsaw was almost totally destroyed after the Polish capitulation on Hitler's personal orders.

Pat

"India was a huge nation that was liberated with little blood spilled. Considering liberations have a history of violenece I would call that noble."

The infighting between Muslims and Hindus eventually split India into two countries as a RESULT of the bloodshed, not the cause.

The turmoil exisits to this day and Ghandi's death is the muderous result of this strife. Hardly noble.

ok so i was wrong. boohoo. point is, a) Mordechai was killed (well, killed by himself, but killed nonetheless) after it was all too clear that the Uprising failed.
and b) whether it was at the time of the Ghetto Uprising or the AK Uprising, the Soviets, as you yourself said, still did nothing to help, and as you again yourself said, literally watched the events unfold.
and i was not wrong on at least one thing - the Nazis bombarded the Ghetto into rubble.

so even if i got the facts a bit wrong and the dates mixed, up, i think i got my point across, so :p to you.

I was kind of under the impression that the Russians were halted due to lack of supplies after their big offensives for that year... is that accurate or not?

Originally posted by Kamilian1
ok so i was wrong. boohoo. point is, a) Mordechai was killed (well, killed by himself, but killed nonetheless) after it was all too clear that the Uprising failed.
and b) whether it was at the time of the Ghetto Uprising or the AK Uprising, the Soviets, as you yourself said, still did nothing to help, and as you again yourself said, literally watched the events unfold.
and i was not wrong on at least one thing - the Nazis bombarded the Ghetto into rubble.

so even if i got the facts a bit wrong and the dates mixed, up, i think i got my point across, so :p to you.

Hey, no hard feelings, just get your facts straight ;)

Originally posted by privatehudson
I was kind of under the impression that the Russians were halted due to lack of supplies after their big offensives for that year... is that accurate or not?

I don't know how the supply situation of the Russians was..but I know that the Polish units in the Red Army did try to cross the river and help the Home Army, made it across, taking heavy losses and had to turn back. Perhaps a more general effort of the Soviets might have made the difference.
Another important point to make is that Stalin did not allow the Allies use of the airbases on Soviet territory so that the resupply of Warsaw would be a lot easier. Because of that refusal, bombers with supplies had to fly stripped of their weaponry in order to make the roundtrip from Italy to Warsaw. A few of these runs were made, with pretty heavy losses, and I think they were discontinued. Also, the Germans only a few bombers (less than 5 I think) shuttling back and forth from an airfield outside of Warsaw bombing the Home Army. Again, it should have been relatively easy for the Soviets to blow them out of the sky.

Originally posted by Chauliodus


He's refusal to allow the Untouchables equal rights, wanting them, rather, to know their place and be quiet. He never defended them, only wanted people to pity them instead of treating them like ****.

That is not true. Ghandi did what he could to improve the untouchables place in society.

"In 1932, Gandhi began new civil-disobedience campaigns against the British. Arrested twice, the Mahatma fasted for long periods several times; these fasts were effective measures against the British, because revolution might well have broken out in India if he had died. In September 1932, while in jail, Gandhi undertook a "fast unto death" to improve the status of the Hindu Untouchables. The British, by permitting the Untouchables to be considered as a separate part of the Indian electorate, were, according to Gandhi, countenancing an injustice. Although he was himself a member of the Vaisya (merchant) caste, Gandhi was the great leader of the movement in India dedicated to eradicating the unjust social and economic aspects of the caste system.

In 1934 Gandhi formally resigned from politics, being replaced as leader of the Congress Party by Jawaharlal Nehru. Gandhi traveled through India, teaching ahimsa and demanding eradication of "untouchability." The esteem in which he was held was the measure of his political power. So great was this power that the limited home rule granted by the British in 1935 could not be implemented until Gandhi approved it. A few years later, in 1939, he again returned to active political life because of the pending federation of Indian principalities with the rest of India. His first act was a fast, designed to force the ruler of the state of Râjkot to modify his autocratic rule. Public unrest caused by the fast was so great that the colonial government intervened; the demands were granted. The Mahatma again became the most important political figure in India."

Refrence http://www.student.loretto.org/internet992/mruiz/Millennium/GHANDI.htm

Originally posted by covok48
"India was a huge nation that was liberated with little blood spilled. Considering liberations have a history of violenece I would call that noble."

The infighting between Muslims and Hindus eventually split India into two countries as a RESULT of the bloodshed, not the cause.

The turmoil exisits to this day and Ghandi's death is the muderous result of this strife. Hardly noble.

Yes the hatred between India and Pakistan today is all thanks to Ghandi. After all if the British were still their rulers they couldn't fight eachother they'd both be subjucated by a foregin power that did not have their interests in mind.

Originally posted by pkmink


Hey, no hard feelings, just get your facts straight ;)

smartass :p ;)
ya i was positive i had it right. and then i watched "The Pianist" and realized i did get the date wrong for real. o well... next time, i'll know for sure.

Originally posted by Kamilian1
I would've loved to liberate Warsaw.Well "Warsaw" was just ruins totally abandonned when it's been liberated. I'm not sure you feel that great when you liberate only dust. A good movie to know better the History of Poland during World War 2 is "The Pianist" from Roman Polanski. I consider it's a movie everybody should watch.

Message Edited : Sorry I haven't read your last post. Oh well. ;)

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Well "Warsaw" was just ruins totally abandonned when it's been liberated. I'm not sure you feel that great when you liberate only dust. A good movie to know better the History of Poland during World War 2 is "The Pianist" from Roman Polanski. I consider it's a movie everybody should watch.

Message Edited : Sorry I haven't read your last post. Oh well. ;)
hey better late than never! i mean just cuz its rubble doesnt mean it should stay under cruel foreign occupation.
and yes, "The Pianist" is a great film.

Free Quebec!

Originally posted by ArbitraryGuy
Free Quebec!

the question was

What famous [B]city/country/state/[B] etc.. would you have wanted to Liberate or be apart of the liberation?

Quebec isn't any of these, nor is it oppressed

It does seem to have a surplus of morons who have to threadjack
though.

According to my uncle (first person) Belguim was best, the french
were edgy and the Dutch starving.

Originally posted by Stefan Haertel
I'd love to liberate myself from Bavarian rule. What a feeling that would be...
:lol:
Fortunately the spread of that was prevented in the glorious liberating election of 2002. ;)