DG2 Section C - Naming Rights

C. Naming Rights
1. Naming rights for new cities will be given following the Chain of Command.
When more than one citizen has the same spot in the COC (example - "Elected
Officials" group) rank will be determined by their seniority as a citizen (who
signed the Registry first). This priority chain will be rearranged by elections as
different people move up and down the Chain of Command.
A. Citizens that have received an honor will top the COC for purposes of
naming rights in the order that they received their honors.
2. The designated player will decide if a captured city is subject to renaming.
He/She will post this decision for each newly captured city with the turn brief
and save game. Renaming rights follow the chain in Point 1 above.
3. Provinces will be named by the first elected governor of the province.
4. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be named by
Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish to name a
feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1 above.
5. A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within his/her
province. This can only be done in the first week of the governor's term of
office. The governor will post a poll with the suggested name change in an
APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format and a 2 day or longer
time frame. Popular support will allow or deny the proposed name change.
6. Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given a second
naming right in the chain (from Article 1). That is, if you've already named a city
you do not get to name another one because you moved positions in the Chain of
Command.


-- Ravensfire

Take out A. That is an out-dated process that really served no game purpose and should not affect the COC or Naming Rights.

2. should just state that all captured cities shall be renamed and the same process will be used to do so. In DG2, the DP never asked if people wanted to rename the captured cities (we won by Domination), therefore the list of people that did not get to name a city was quite long. We should let as many people as possible name their own city.

I don't like having only a few people being able to name cities. I would like to see a way to involve the citizens. Therefore, I propose something like this:


1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of Fanatica.
a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of registration.
b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city name was not
provided, that citizen is skipped.
c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior to
their choice being used. A post must be made in the Censue Office thread regarding the
change or addition.
2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official City Name List
shall be used.
3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it shall not be renamed.
4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired have the option
to be renamed at the discretion of the Governor or Domestic Leader, whomever has control
of the city. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.

Originally posted by zorven

1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of Fanatica.
a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of registration.
b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city name was not
provided, that citizen is skipped until that citizen provides a name.
That name is placed on top of the remaining list .
c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior to
their choice being used. A post must be made in the Censue Office thread regarding the
change or addition.
2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official City Name List
shall be used
unless that city's name-giver determines otherwise. .
3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it shall not be renamed
unless the city is wrongly named .
4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always renamed
. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.


Explanation:
1b. Just because you couldn't think of a proper name shouldn't be the reason to never name a city.
2. I can imagine a city-name suiting a different city or location better than others. Think of "Port xxx" for a mountain city, or "Desert fox" for a jungle city.
3. I remember Aqualondë first being named A l qualond e .
4. Giving citizens the opportunity to name cities has a great impact on involvement. And by renaming them always gives more citizens an "own city"

OK, I like RM's revision of zorven's proposal. Covers the needed points.

Btw the way Rik Meleet, if you edit your post and put the cursor right after the word "name" in the third sentance and hit enter, you can shorten the length of that sentance appropriately.

okay, Rm's works but change the new on 2 to "unless otherwise stated by that player". i'll give an example using my city name, woodridge. if my revision is pased, i would put in the citizen registry "City name : woodridge (with at least 1 tile bordering the city square bieng forest)" i mean, are we really going to go throught the effort of posting a poll every time we name a city? i think it would just make sense to have the player decide when his/her city would be named, and if a player doesn't provide a description of where there city should be, then it will be named whenever it is it's turn, if that means we have desert fox in the jungle, we'll just say it was ment to confuse the AI :lol:

Ybbor, that was what I meant. I've changed it.

in that case, i'm all for Rik's proposal

Thus, we have a proposal that looks like this:


C. Naming Rights
1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of
COUNTYR_NAME.
a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of
registration.
b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city
name was not provided, that citizen is skipped until that citizen
provides a name. That name is placed on top of the remaining list.
c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior
to their choice being used. A post must be made in the Census Office
thread regarding the change or addition.
2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines
otherwise.
3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it
shall not be renamed unless the city is wrongly named .
4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always
renamed. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.
5. Provinces will be named by the first elected governor of the province.
6. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be
named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish
to name a feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1
above.
7. A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within
his/her province. This can only be done in the first week of the
governor's term of office. The governor will post a poll with the
suggested name change in an APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format
and a 2 day or longer time frame. Popular support will allow or deny
the proposed name change.
8. Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given
a second naming right in the chain (from Article 1).



-- Ravensfire

Looks good to me.

I say we remove the naming rights from the CoL and CoS.

Why would you want to do that, donsig?

6. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish to name a feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1 above.

I think that if the governor doesn't name any features that we should let that pass to the next governor. Who is to decide what a "feature" is and when that should pass to the citizens to name. Lets keep it simple and just leave it with the Governors.


7. A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within his/her province. This can only be done in the first week of the governor's term of office. The governor will post a poll with the suggested name change in an APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format and a 2 day or longer time frame. Popular support will allow or deny the proposed name change.

I don't care for this provision. We have a process to involve the citizens and let them name cities and then we can just throw out their names on a whim? No, a city named by a citizen should stay that way.

I agree with zorven on both of these points. His first point is actually the way things have been handled in the past, except with the Governor explicitly asked the citizens for names.

With C.4 above, renaming of cities wouldn't be needed, supporting his second point.

yeah, imagine how a citizen would feel if there town was sudenly renamed to a name they hated, and regarding putting a new post in the census, isn't that discouraged? aren't we just supposed to edit it? maybe we should do something with PM...

Originally posted by ybbor
yeah, imagine how a citizen would feel if their town was suddenly renamed...

Yeah, especially if they are down a bit in the registry and have been waiting for a city named after them for some time.

I'm not in support of this idea.

I have seen some discussion on the name of the Capital, but don't remember where I saw it. If we are going to use some other method to name the Capital, we should make a provision in this text for that.

Originally posted by zorven
I have seen some discussion on the name of the Capital, but don't remember where I saw it. If we are going to use some other method to name the Capital, we should make a provision in this text for that.

That was in the Creation Day thread, but of the people that responded to the issue,7 of 8 preferred that the President name the Capital city. Therefore, the COC would automatically make this so. No need for any additional vebage or a change in any existing verbage.

Originally posted by Cyc


That was in the Creation Day thread, but of the people that responded to the issue,7 of 8 preferred that the President name the Capital city. Therefore, the COC would automatically make this so. No need for any additional vebage or a change in any existing verbage. Where is the CoC involved in naming rights, under the proposals above? Also, I think it might be a better idea to use the CoC, then the citizen registry after the CoC has been exhausted.

Originally posted by Bootstoots
Where is the CoC involved in naming rights, under the proposals above? Also, I think it might be a better idea to use the CoC, then the citizen registry after the CoC has been exhausted.

Your correct in the saying the COC was taken out of the legislation, Boots. I was reviewing the first proposal. In this case, the person who registered first would name the Capital city. Then the following cities would be named by people following the order of the Citizen Registry.

So, let's add a section stating that the first city founded is seperate from these standards, and is named either by the President (preferrable) or by a poll.

-- Ravensfire

Section 2.



2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines
otherwise.
a. The President shall have rights to name the first city founded by
COUNTRY_NAME. If the President exercises this right, the President
shall be skipped in the City Name List the first time the President
is due to name a city.

Good. Change that to "The president in the First Term of the game". Otherwise we will be writing a problem into the wording. ;)

Revised per Cyc's perspicacious comment:



2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines
otherwise.
a. The President of the first term shall have rights to name the first
city founded in said term. If the President exercises this right, the
President shall be skipped in the City Name List the first time the
President is due to name a city.

As I've just come from another thread discussion this, we need a clause on provincial naming.


999. The first Governor for a province shall name that province.


Not a clue what the next number is, not gonna look either!

-- Ravensfire

Naming Rights have always primarily dealt with cities and terrain features. Provincial naming is part of the Legislative legislation. It is a major perk for the Governors and should be included in the CoL, not the CoS. Let's quit mixing the city/terrain naming and the Province naming.

What about a city that is lost then recaptured (or flips from us, then back) and hence is already named by a citizen.
4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always renamed. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.

This would imply that that city is automatically renamed. Adding something like: "unless they already have a name given by a citizen" would allow the city (and hence the citizen) to keep its name.

I think #3 takes care of that Furiey.

Yes - Thanks Cyc

I missed that one!

V1.1

C. Naming Rights
1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of
COUNTYR_NAME.
a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of
registration.
b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city
name was not provided, that citizen is skipped until that citizen
provides a name. That name is placed on top of the remaining list.
c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior
to their choice being used. A post must be made in the Census Office
thread regarding the change or addition.
2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines
otherwise.
a. The first President shall have rights to name the first city founded
by COUNTRY_NAME. If the President exercises this right, the President
shall be skipped in the City Name List the first time they are due
to name a city.
3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it
shall not be renamed unless the city is wrongly named .
4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always
renamed. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.
5. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be
named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish
to name a feature it may be passed to the next Governor
6. Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given
a second naming right in the chain (from Article 1).


Changelog
V1.1
* Section 5 passes rights to next Governor now.
* Section 7, allowing Gov. to rename cities subject to poll removed
* Added 2.a, allowing the first Pres. to name the first city

Until we have determined where provincial naming goes, I'm leaving it out.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by Ravensfire
Until we have determined where provincial naming goes, I'm leaving it out.
Errr - so 5 and 8 are figments of my imagination? (although I would expect to see it here somewhere)

Originally posted by Furiey

Errr - so 5 and 8 are figments of my imagination? (although I would expect to see it here somewhere)

They are now! :satan:

Indeed Furiey. 5 and 8 are the same, but apparently none-existent because it was left out by Ravensfire ???

What do you mean Raven? Are you gonna leave it out ? Then leave it out ! If you aren't going to leave it out, then why insert it twice ?

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
Indeed Furiey. 5 and 8 are the same, but apparently none-existent because it was left out by Ravensfire ???

What do you mean Raven? Are you gonna leave it out ? Then leave it out ! If you aren't going to leave it out, then why insert it twice ?

This is RF. This is RF working on too many things at once.

Any questions? :D

Said offending clauses are obviously the result of too much liquidized and fermented hops and barley in anticipation of the new year.

Sorry folks - the old 5 and 8 are removed.

-- Ravensfire

Don't worry about it - it's always easier to pick up mistakes when you're not the one doing the writing!
I personally think that you're doing an amazing job with all of this!

I agree

Originally posted by ravensfire


999. The first Governor for a province shall name that province.




I would like to see this clause in this section of law. Lets keep all naming laws together rather than scattered.

To be polled tomorrow

V1.2

C. Naming Rights
1. The first Governor for a province shall name that province.

2. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of
COUNTYR_NAME.
a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of
registration.
b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city
name was not provided, that citizen is skipped until that citizen
provides a name. That name is placed on top of the remaining list.
c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior
to their choice being used. A post must be made in the Census Office
thread regarding the change or addition.

3. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines
otherwise.
a. The first President shall have rights to name the first city founded
by COUNTRY_NAME. If the President exercises this right, the President
shall be skipped in the City Name List the first time they are due
to name a city.

4. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it
shall not be renamed unless the city is wrongly named .

5. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always
renamed. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points above.

6. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be
named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish
to name a feature it may be passed to the next Governor

7. Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given
a second naming right in the chain.


Changelog
V1.2
* Added 1, province naming.
* Renumbered all following sections.

V1.1
* Section 5 passes rights to next Governor now.
* Section 7, allowing Gov. to rename cities subject to poll removed
* Added 2.a, allowing the first Pres. to name the first city

Poll has been posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73887).

-- Ravensfire