Now this is the official kick off for DG4. We are rolling.

Let me start by wishing you all the best for 2004, whereever and whoever you are. And let me thank you for the confidence you've put in me (even the ones who haven't voted for me) to deserve this honor. I will do my utmost to be a good Term 1 president.

I've posted a Creation Day Chat Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73671) with a twist. You vote for the days you aren't available. The date and time with the least votes wins.

My DG4 2004 wish for you all is: enjoy the Pink Period .

Deputy: Donsig

Barbarians will be RANDOM.
Our Land mass will be CONTINENTS.
Our Software Version will be VANILLA CIV3.
World Size will be LARGE.
Number of opponents will be TWELVE (default amount).
Difficulty Level will be MONARCH.
Water Coverage will be set at 60% (biggest land size).
Our Temperature will be TEMPERATE.
Age of Our Planet will be 5 BILLION YEARS OLD.
Climate will be NORMAL.
We will be playing as THE FRENCH, renamed to FANATICANS.

Screenshot of our start position:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC4000_start.JPG

Congratulations, Mr. President. :thumbsup:

FA Head SaaM stepping in. I'm not sure if I'm a governor-at-large as well (are those considered leader positions, ergo making me unable to be an at-large?). Here's to being nice and pink.

*Ahem*, Rik Meleet, I beleve you have neglected on who is who in the president office.

President: Rik Meleet

Vice President: CivGeneral

I was also wondering who is Vice President. I couldn't find it in our codes how the VP was selected. However CivGeneral, you can only be VP or Military Leader, not both.

Originally posted by zorven
I was also wondering who is Vice President. I couldn't find it in our codes how the VP was selected. However CivGeneral, you can only be VP or Military Leader, not both.

Now wait a cotton pickin' minute. I can certanly be both. The Vice President is a deputy possition. I can have any deputy possition so long as I only have one deputy possition.

Since I can't find anything related to the VP, I am assuming the VP is an appointed deputy like all the others. Therefore, I suppose it can happen that you can be a Leader and Deputy (buy only in term 1) since the CoL section has yet to be ratified, but the intent was that you could not.

Ratified
Article H of the Constitution:
No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

Waiting to be Polled for Ratification
Section H of the Code of Laws:

2. Deputies
a. Each elected office in the Executive and Legislative branch
shall have a Deputy. This Deputy is appointed by the office
holder.
1. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours of the
appointment.
b. No elected official may be appointed a Deputy.
c. A citizen may only be appointed to one Deputy position.

Well, If This rafification passes. I will resign the Vice Presidency.

If the Rafication is not passed or is not passed in time, then things will go as normal

Edit: Stupid end codes :p

Also, we need to make a clarification for governors at large. They are not provincial governors, but are the leaders of some sort?

Congratulations Rik. I hope this term is a good and productive one, and that the initial litigation surrounding the elections ends soon. ;)

I hope you can help us have a starting strong power-base for this coming term Rik Meleet!

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
Also, we need to make a clarification for governors at large. They are not provincial governors, but are the leaders of some sort?

I have always assumed that they were meant to be classified as Leaders in the same way Provincial Governors are. They are part of the Senate just like a regular governor and "governor" is in their title.

If we want to discuss this issue further, perhaps we should open a thread in the Citizens forum and stop spamming the new President's thead :lol:

Originally posted by zorven


I have always assumed that they were meant to be classified as Leaders in the same way Provincial Governors are. They are part of the Senate just like a regular governor and "governor" is in their title.

If we want to discuss this issue further, perhaps we should open a thread in the Citizens forum and stop spamming the new President's thead :lol:

As the person who created the At-Large position, it was intended to be a Leadership position. After all, this person is a Governor, they just don't have a province!

-- Ravensfire

To everyone who reads this fine Presidential thread:

A new poll has been posted for the Ratification of CoS Sections D and E. These Sections deal with Turn Chat Rules and Procedures. Please Vote!

LINK (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=74099)

Link to Chat-schedule (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74174)

Congratualations Mister President. I hope a VP is appointed soon.

Does a VP have to be confirmed by the legislative bodies?

Originally posted by wlievens
Congratualations Mister President. I hope a VP is appointed soon.

Does a VP have to be confirmed by the legislative bodies? No he/she doesn't. When I appoint someone and a citizen feels that it is a wrong choice, that citizen has the option to post a "refusal poll" in which that citizen explains that why the appointee should be refused.

Please check the 3 books (our rules-set) as soon as they are posted in this link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70898) .

And (again) welcome to the DG4.

Mr President, please post next week's schedule of turn chats as soon as you can. FYI one of the CoS provisions being worked on will require each chat to be scheduled at least 7 days in advance.

Civver Meleet,

Just a reminder that when you pop the goodie hut, I will need to know the name of the tribe there-in for my CHD posts. It flashes by pretty fast and I wouldn't want you to miss it. Hopefully others at the turn chat will remind you just before you pop the goodies.

I would love it to be a tech. It will be hard to write without knowing what is in it.

Rik-Can you compress the saves into a .zip file, because when I try to download the save, it gives me a whole bunch of random characters.

naervod - does it do that when you left-click the link? If so, try right-clicking the link and choose to save the link target.

It has been worked out, thank you zorven.

President Rik Meleet:

On behalf of the Creative History Department, I wish to extend our congratulations to you on your election to the Presidency. May the historians remember your reign as glorious and full of prosperity for all Fanaticans.

I would also like to request that you provide our office with the names of the tribes (goodie huts) that we encounter as well as what occurs during our encounters them so that our historians can accurately include that information in our history books.

Thank you again, and here's to a successful 1st term.

EDIT:

I didn't realize this until post #2006, and it took a few moments to backtrack to the proper post, but I believe this post was my 2000th post!

[dance] :band: [dance]

:beer:

Originally posted by DaveShack
Mr President, please post next week's schedule of turn chats as soon as you can. FYI one of the CoS provisions being worked on will require each chat to be scheduled at least 7 days in advance. The chat for this week is scheduled. I am considering dates and times for the week after. They'l be up as soon as possible.

Originally posted by TerminalMan90
Civver Meleet,

Just a reminder that when you pop the goodie hut, I will need to know the name of the tribe there-in for my CHD posts. It flashes by pretty fast and I wouldn't want you to miss it. Hopefully others at the turn chat will remind you just before you pop the goodies.
If we get lucky we get barbarians; we'll know the name of the tribe :lol: .
I will note the name of the tribe, but a little reminding never hurt anyone.

Originally posted by FortyJ
President Rik Meleet:

On behalf of the Creative History Department, I wish to extend our congratulations to you on your election to the Presidency. May the historians remember your reign as glorious and full of prosperity for all Fanaticans.

I would also like to request that you provide our office with the names of the tribes (goodie huts) that we encounter as well as what occurs during our encounters them so that our historians can accurately include that information in our history books.

Thank you again, and here's to a successful 1st term. Thank you. see my answer to Terminal's question above.

I've chosen Donsig to be this term's Vice President.
Join me in congratulating our new VP.

Congratulations Donsig !

Congratulations Mr. Vice President.

Congrats Mr. VP donsig!

Mr. President,

Please repost your request for a clarification of the laws regarding who must post a refusal law. It seems our defacto Chief Justice thinks you were not serious since you used the word verdict in your request rather than the words judicial review.

donsig

FYI, the request for a refusal poll was withdrawn. Congratulations donsig!

Congratulations Mister Vice President!

Excellent work on the Turn Chat summary, Mr. President.

Originally posted by Cyc
Excellent work on the Turn Chat summary, Mr. President.
Perhaps I am thread challenged, but is there a text summary of the chat? I already read the whole chat (!!) and saves (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1486927#post1486927) and found the screen shots (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1498170#post1498170) (great job there) but wondered if someone wrote a summary of the turnchat.

Originally posted by TerminalMan90

Perhaps I am thread challenged, but is there a text summary of the chat? I am going to do that shortly. When the TC ended and the saves were uploaded and all posts editted, it was 02:15 for me, (2:15 in the night) and when I woke up a few hours later I had to work and I am just finishing it.

I just had time to post the screenshots. I am planning on writing the story shortly. But all things I am obliged to do have been done. See it as a bonus.

I understand your time constraints. I read the turn chat even that took a long time. It IS a big job and an extra to boot. TIA for you extra effort.

To give you a heads up, I want to use the chat facts to write a CHD post at lunch today. The one aspect I was wondering about was the actual barbs (I didn't even see it explicitly in the chat log).

The best I can reconstruct was that 3 barbs came out, one attacked the warrior, one moved toward our unprotected town and the other ran away. Is this correct?

If I am being a pest, just respond if/when you have time. We story tellers don't ALWAYS rely on the facts.

BTW, anyone who was at the chat can answer this question if you know; doesn't have to be the President.

Urgent! The CoL section on the legislative branch needs to be ratified before anyone will be empowered to post slider instructions.

See this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74221)

Originally posted by TerminalMan90
The best I can reconstruct was that 3 barbs came out, one attacked the warrior, one moved toward our unprotected town and the other ran away. Is this correct?2 Barbs attacked our poor Chuck. He fended off the first without damage. He was then attacked in the flank by the second. He lost 2 hitpoints before regathering his strength and killing off the 2nd attacker. The Military honored him by promoting him to veteran. When the third barb saw this he ran away; but unfortunately straight to our Capitol. We all know the rest of the story.

So all barbs are dead now.


<edit> Report posted </edit>

I regret I will be unable to attend Sunday's game play session. :(

It appears that the VP may actually have a real job (assuming the appropriate legislation is enacted): posting slider instructions as determined by Senate vote. I shall do my utmost to carry out this important duty!

Thank you Donsig. I'll look forward for your contribution. If there are other tasks you'd like to do, please tell me. I'm sure we can work something out.

I'm sorry to hear you're unable to attend.

Hmmm... just looked at the turn chat instruciton thread. The chat is Saturday night EST? I thought it was Sunday?!? Maybe I can make it after all...

There have been no posts in the Senate thread since my call for slider instructions. I have opened a thread for discussion. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74810)

If there is no action by the Senate I will post that fact in the game play instruction thread at least one hour prior to the chat.

Respectfully,
President of the Senate

Mr. President, I just downloaded the turn chat posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1486927#post1486927) for Jan 10 and it appears to be the same (unzipped) file as the Jan 7 turnchat.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

A request has been posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74990) for the purpose of determining if the members of the senate are absent, according to the procedure defined in the CoS and ratified in this poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73818)

Originally posted by TerminalMan90
Mr. President, I just downloaded the turn chat posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1486927#post1486927) for Jan 10 and it appears to be the same (unzipped) file as the Jan 7 turnchat.I have spotted it and correct it some hours ago. I am still getting the hang of the logs. What happened that I sort of merged 2 turnchats. The beginning is indeed the complete first turnchat, followed by the second.

Originally posted by DaveShack
A request has been posted here for the purpose of determining if the members of the senate are absent, according to the procedure defined in the CoS and ratified in this poll.I see. It's up to the CJ Cyc to send a PM to the senate-members Noldodan, Plexus and Amirsan.

I will PM the CJ to inform/remind him of this.

Mr. President.

I'd like to congratulate you on your selection of advisors (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DG4_BC3350_poppedhut2.JPG). Out of curiosity, how productive are your staff meetings?

It's good to be the emperor, eh? ;)

FortyJ

They are very fertile !

The President is "not amused" by the (lack of) instructions the leaders post and the timing of their postings in the instruction thread.

In Yesterday's turnchat there was a very small, unpleasant instruction from the Senate (fixxed Slider), which was in itself an improvement, as the TC before then there was none.
There were no Military instructions and no T&T instructions. At least, not 1 hour before the start of the TC. They were posted 6 minutes and 30 minutes before the TC-start, after the President stumbled into the respective leaders in the chatroom.

In that same TC the're were 2 incidents, accidentaly (or not?) with situations concerning the 2 offices. The first was about unit movements. The DP used the warrior in the capitol to accompany the settler to the designated 2nd city spot, the Military leader wanted to use that warrior for scouting. The difference in interpretation are solely the Military Leader's fault; it's his task to post clear instructions.
The second was when we met the Russians and they turned out to be interesting for trade. The TC stopped because of that.

I could have ignored all the Military instructions and the T&T's instructions as they were obviously illegal. I decided to follow them nonetheless. I've decided to not do that again.

I am addressing all people who are allowed to post instructions legally. And are obliged to, in my opinion.

I, as the DP, open the Instruction thread exactly 1 hour before the TC starts and I will not update it. Any legal instructions there are carried out to the letter. Officials or offices who have not posted there can expect a Citizen Complaint (aka PI) after the turnchat.

The President,
Rik Meleet

P.S. come on guys, let's keep this game fun. Don't allow yourselves and me to get irritated because of missing or unclear or unworkable instructions. I'm here to enjoy the game and the Demogame-concept.

Two Ministry of Defense sponsered threads and polls

I wish for the presidency to partisipate in the following polls and discussion threads.

Military Poll: Unit Quantity (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75905)

Military Discussion: Attack Russia or no? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75904)

Mr. President,

Our new thread for posting saves and chat logs is great. I was just wondering if you could *hire* someone to edit the chat logs. I'm not suggesting we replace the original logs but it would be nice to have an additional version available that took out the side talk, vote counts, countdowns, etc. and just left the *meat* of the chat in place. Do we have a history department? Perhaps they would consider taking on this chore...

I am not in favor of that plan donsig; the word log means to me: exactly everything that has been said and done in the chatroom. Editting (what you suggest) is a bit dangerous.

Also, I really really enjoyed those loose remarks in turnchats which I didn't join. On several occasions I nearly rolled of my chair in laughter. Wouldn't want to deprive lurkers of that same experience.

Knock knock...
Just your Head Moron stepping in and saying he isnt filing any charges. See my post in the FA Thread.
Thanks for stopping when it was brought up.
SaaM
Who should get back to this "Gandalf" piece, for he forgot to check the key signature

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
I am not in favor of that plan donsig; the word log means to me: exactly everything that has been said and done in the chatroom. Editting (what you suggest) is a bit dangerous.

Also, I really really enjoyed those loose remarks in turnchats which I didn't join. On several occasions I nearly rolled of my chair in laughter. Wouldn't want to deprive lurkers of that same experience.

I am not suggesting we replace the original un-edited logs. I agree that we need them available to their full extent for historical and legal purposes. I also would not deprive anyone of the joy they get by reading all the chat antics.

But we are not all the same. I get no satisfaction by trying to dredge through chat garbage looking for valuable trinkets. My time is limited and I'd like to be able to quickly look at a log and see important game stuff. When I was president during term 3 of DGIII, one of the things I did was summarize every chat. Basically I just edited out the chat garbage and posted the meat. The official logs were still there in their full fledged spendor. :)

Mr. President,

It has come to my attention that our newest city has been misspelled in game. Could you please update the game with the correct spelling?

In Game: Vo Mimbe
Correct: Vo Mimbre

Thank you,

The Census Office

Originally posted by zorven
Mr. President,

It has come to my attention that our newest city has been misspelled in game. Could you please update the game with the correct spelling?

In Game: Vo Mimbe
Correct: Vo Mimbre

Thank you,

The Census Office

There was some confusion about the name. I was not checking for the names myself, I asked if someone would check. I will change it in the next chat.

Copy of log (including log after TC):
[23:01] <+Furiey> City = Vo Mimbre - Zorven
[00:03] <+Furiey> Vo Mimbre
[00:03] <@RikMeleet> Vo Mimbre ?
[00:04] <+plexus> Vo Mimbe
[00:04] <@RikMeleet> 11,2[ Fanatican News Flash - 2150 BC ]1,0 Vo Mimbre founded
[00:04] <@RikMeleet> 11,2[ Fanatican News Flash - 2150 BC ]1,0 Vo Mimbe founded
[00:05] <@RikMeleet> What is Vo Mimbe's BQ ?
[00:36] <+plexus> so, Vanderlay and Vo Mimbre are both out of my jurisdiction?
[00:36] <@RikMeleet> Mimbre ? or Mimbe ?
[00:36] <+plexus> Mimbe
[00:37] <@RikMeleet> And I thought it also was Vandelay and not VandeRlay
[00:37] <+plexus> I keep interjecting odd Rs, eh?

Sorry.

Mr President,

Please accept my apology for not posting instructions for yesterday's chat. I misread the date and thought it was Thursday, and then didn't look at the forum on Wednesday at all.

Originally posted by DaveShack
Please accept my apology for not posting instructions for yesterday's chat. I misread the date and thought it was Thursday, and then didn't look at the forum on Wednesday at all. You are forgiven. It's your first ever slip and I am not an overly-critic man. But please make sure you do post your instructions in time for monday's TC.

Mr. President,

What is the status of the Russian tech deal. When will it be completed? I am concerned about any subsequent trades with Bablon requiring a gold outlay on our part. The expenditure would need Senatorial approval - which requires time for a Senate vote.

Dear Mr. President,

Just how did we meet Babylon? (The FA Morons aren't sure of this.) Did you actually see any Babylonians? There is a yellow border across the water toty he north-west. Is that the country of Babylon? Are we seperated from Babylon by water or can we walk there? If we can walk there then they can walk here (or so our wise men say). If not then they may not be competitors for the dyes soon...

The 2230 save should be in uploads6 somewhere. But here's a screenshot of the Babylonian Warrior when it was first spotted.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Babylon.jpg

The Warrior came from the South.
Yes there could well be competition for the dyes, but I would guess that they would go for the ones close to where they appeared before the ones next to our capitol.

Dear Mr. President,

I am going on vacation from Tuesday, January 26 through Sarturday (2/1) or Sunday (2/2) though I may have internet access on Weds. (1/28). In any event I will not be in a position to post instructions for the next two game play sessions. I cannot find the Official Absence thread to post this in. :(

donsig

Turnchat 8:
Saturday January 31th 00:30 RMT/CET = 23:30 GMT = 18:30 EST/6.30 pm).

This last TC is 30 minutes before February 1st 00:00 GMT, which is the beginning of the next term. If there is a problem with this I'll do it earlier that day. I just thought it would be nice to welcome our newly elected officials in a chat.
______________________________________________

I don't have a problem with this Mr. President, as it fits my schedule. It's also nice to see a Leader work until the end of the Term. :) I assume that you are responsible for anything that happens after 1/31/04 23:59:59 GMT whether you win the election for the Presidency or not. Correct?

My plan was to hand the baton over at 23:59:59 GMT to the new president and he/she gets to decide what to do next, continue playing or not. That was before I decided to re-run.

If I get elected; I'll continue playing. If zorven gets elected; it's up to him. If zorven decides to not play; I'll end the turnchat officially in time (but forgive me if I surpass the time by a few minutes).

Mr President, I see the turnchat schedule has a session scheduled for Thursday 1/29, but don't see the instruction thread for it.

Thanks in advance :D

it's up; here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76909).

Originally Posted by Rik Meleet
Turnchat 8:
Saturday January 31th 00:30 RMT/CET = 23:30 GMT = 18:30 EST/6.30 pm).

This last TC is 30 minutes before February 1st 00:00 GMT, which is the beginning of the next term. If there is a problem with this I'll do it earlier that day. I just thought it would be nice to welcome our newly elected officials in a chat.
Please clarify Rik - Saturday 31st January 00:30 RMT/CET = Friday 30th January 23:30 GMT - a day and 30 mins before the next term.

Originally posted by Furiey

Please clarify Rik - Saturday 31st January 00:30 RMT/CET = Friday 30th January 23:30 GMT - a day and 30 mins before the next term. Well actually the post is:
Saturday January 31th 00:30 RMT/CET = 23:30 GMT = 18:30 EST/6.30 pm). I can explain long and difficult about timezones, date-changes etc, but just stick to:

30 minutes before midnight in London, 30 minutes before the Month of February in London, 30 midnutes before this term ends.

It is already February for me then (30 minutes) etc.

I'll post an instruction thread.

What Furiey means is that your date/time line should read:

Sunday February 1st 00:30 RMT/CET = Saturday January 31st 23:30 GMT = 18:30 EST/6:30pm

Cyc: I realise that. I've posted the turnchat in a clearer way:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77081

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
My plan was to hand the baton over at 23:59:59 GMT to the new president and he/she gets to decide what to do next, continue playing or not. That was before I decided to re-run.

If I get elected; I'll continue playing. If zorven gets elected; it's up to him. If zorven decides to not play; I'll end the turnchat officially in time (but forgive me if I surpass the time by a few minutes).

I don't think it will be possible for me to pick up the chat because I would need to have instructions from the new Ministers along with posting the chat schedule and TCIT. I suppose it could be possible, but the new Ministers and Senate would have to hussle on the 31st to get everything ready.

Thank you Mr President - I thought that was what you meant, but there was confusion in the chat just as you left when others interpreted it as Friday GMT, Saturday RMT. I thought it was better to ask and clarify the situation.

As for continuing to play - I think the laws allow you to continue as DP once you have started so you could continue if you wished. I'm sure that there are others who could confirm whether this is the case or not.

Originally posted by zorven


I don't think it will be possible for me to pick up the chat because I would need to have instructions from the new Ministers along with posting the chat schedule and TCIT. I suppose it could be possible, but the new Ministers and Senate would have to hussle on the 31st to get everything ready. If elected, I plan on posting FA instructions for that turnchat that will come into effect at 0:00 GMT.

Originally posted by Bootstoots
If elected, I plan on posting FA instructions for that turnchat that will come into effect at 0:00 GMT.

I am truly amazed that you can ascertain the *will of the people* in so short a time after being elected. :rolleyes:

Despite bootstoots's eagerness to get rolling there will obviously be no slider setting instructions for this midnight chat as there will not even be a president of the Senate to post any - assuming the new Senate could propose and vote on settings within a few minutes of actually taking office.

Would the *will of the people* prefer that I remain silent? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bootstoots
Would the *will of the people* prefer that I remain silent? :rolleyes:

I cannot speak for us all, but for myself I would say that it is appalling that those elected to serve in term two want to jump right into things at 12:01 AM GMT the day term two begins - before they even post a discussion thread on anything!

No, bootstoots, I would not rather you remain silent. I much prefer you to talk some sence into your fellow term two leaders and convince them to have the first term two game play session on February 3rd or later.

Dear Mr. President,

I have two questions for you: Why did you post in the lastes game play summary that you ignored the Senate's slider setting instructions? Why have you scheduled a game play session for the last minute of your term?

The latter is distressing as there is a movement (iniated by yourself) to have the term two President take over the game immediately upon the commemcement of term two. Do you not realize that this leaves absolutely no time for the term two leaders to gather input from citizens?

As for the former, I will begin by stating that I am in complete agreement with your evaluation of the Senate's term one slider setting instrucitons. They Stunk. However, that does not give you, nor anyone else, the right to ignore legally posted instructions. Doing so makes a mockery of our Three Books.

Finally, what actually happened with the slider settings? Was play stopped or was the change made and enter pressed? please tell us here and now, do not force us to rwad the whole chat log to find this out.

Respectfully,
donsig
Vice President
President of the Senate