Shall we ratify the following as Section H of the Code of Laws?

H. Vacant Positions
1. Leader positions that remain unfilled after an election shall
be filled via appointment by the President.
a. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours of the
appointment.

2. Deputies
a. Each elected office in the Executive and Legislative branch
shall have a Deputy. This Deputy is appointed by the office
holder.
1. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours of the
appointment.
b. No elected official may be appointed a Deputy.
c. A citizen may only be appointed to one Deputy position.

3. Leader positions that become vacant mid-term shall be filled by
appointing the deputy for that position as Leader.
a. A mid-term vacancy in the Judiciary shall be filled by a
triumvirate vote between the President and the other two
Justices determining and approving the replacement.
1. Any citizen may request a refusal poll within 24 hours of
the appointement.


Relevant Discussion
Appointments (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72146)

Please vote as follows:
Yes
No
Abstain

This poll shall run for 4 days

-- Ravensfire

Poll open for 4 days ? Then we won't have a VP or CJ in the creation day chat (assuming that'll be sunday).

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
Poll open for 4 days ? Then we won't have a VP or CJ in the creation day chat (assuming that'll be sunday).

Having those two positions in particular filled at Creation Day is not a major set back. At Creation Day those two positions have little to do (as well as the rest of the Judiciary). So I'm not real concern about that aspect of it.

I will state how we are in this situation because of all the useless banter that went on in the rulemaking process. If we just would have stuck to the guidelines, instead of trying to clog up the process, we probably would have all the ruleset done by now.

Rik,

See Cyc's second statement.

Also, right now in our ratified law, there is NO such concept as a deputy - just not mentioned. Our own haste, and lack thereof, has put us into this situation. For the next week or so, we will continue to run into these problems.

-- Ravensfire

I vote yes on this law, and note that at least two of the newly elected ministers (myself and Oct) have started taking applications for the deputy positions. We'll just have to hold off on the actual appointment itself... :rolleyes:

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1. Leader positions that remain unfilled after an election shall
be filled via appointment by the President.
a. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours of the
appointment.
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I do think that as soon as possible, an elected official should take the appointee's place.

I like the rules, but I think 24 hours is a bit too short a time period. It assumes that everyone can check the forums at least once a day. I'd rather see 72 hours as a limitation on refusal polls.

However, in the spirit of passing legislation so that we can move on to the "playing of the game" (ie. fun stuff), I'll hold off on my objections in favor of an ammendment later on.

I vote No on the grounds that it prevents Leaders from holding a Deputy Possition. Plus it has no mention of having the Deputy being elected when he/she comes in 2nd place.

Originally posted by CivGeneral
I vote No on the grounds that it prevents Leaders from holding a Deputy Possition. Plus it has no mention of having the Deputy being elected when he/she comes in 2nd place.

CG, your second comment is answered by how the deputy is determined for each office. Section 2.a reads"Each elected office in the Executive and Legislative branch shall have a Deputy. This Deputy is appointed by the office holder."

Thus, the deputy is appointed by the office holder. Where that citizen placed in the election, or even if they ran for office is irrelevant. This method was strongly preferred by the people in a poll conducted on this issue. Note how various officials are requesting messages from prospective deputies about the office and their goals.

-- Ravensfire

This section has been Ratified.

-- Ravensfire

Great, The Leaders are doomed not to have a chance to be deputies. And All the 2nd placers will never get to be deputy :(.

The outcome of this poll excluded my colleague-contestor for the precidency, CivGeneral from being the VP.

I've chosen Donsig to be this term's Vice President.
Join me in congratulating our new VP.

Congratulations Donsig !