View Full Version : Judicial special election: Pre-election thread


Bootstoots
Jan 02, 2004, 09:15 AM
Here is a list of the seven people who ran in the last Judicial elections:

ravensfire
Cyc
Peri
Bootstoots
zorven
naervod
Vander

Due to rule conflicts and other such problems, a Judicial election between these candidates will be held in approximately 24 hours. If any candidate wishes to drop out of this election, or the procedure that we are using to break the tie is changed again, please post here sometime within the next 24 hours.

ravensfire
Jan 02, 2004, 10:19 AM
I am confirming that I wish to remain a candidate in the Judicial election.

Good luck to all - this is the best group of candidates I have ever seen!

-- Ravensfire

donsig
Jan 02, 2004, 01:32 PM
Why can't others who wish to run also be included? I made it very clear in the constitutional debates that I intended to run for chief justice. If the CJ spot is to be opened to anyone other that the two who ran in the election it should be opened to us all.

Vander
Jan 02, 2004, 01:49 PM
I'm stilll going to run.

naervod
Jan 02, 2004, 01:59 PM
I will also remain in the election.

DaveShack
Jan 02, 2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by donsig
Why can't others who wish to run also be included? I made it very clear in the constitutional debates that I intended to run for chief justice. If the CJ spot is to be opened to anyone other that the two who ran in the election it should be opened to us all.

I believe you had the opportunity, along with everyone else, to be nominated back when nominations were open.

Cyc
Jan 02, 2004, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by donsig
Why can't others who wish to run also be included? I made it very clear in the constitutional debates that I intended to run for chief justice. If the CJ spot is to be opened to anyone other that the two who ran in the election it should be opened to us all.

If you read through the Chief Justice election thread donsig, you will find that I tried to get a Nomination thread opened again so that this time around it would actually look like a proper election. I also wanted you and Bill_in_PDX to have a shot at this, but I guess some people were fearful of you two running. So this is the best I could do.

donsig
Jan 02, 2004, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Cyc


If you read through the Chief Justice election thread donsig, you will find that I tried to get a Nomination thread opened again so that this time around it would actually look like a proper election. I also wanted you and Bill_in_PDX to have a shot at this, but I guess some people were fearful of you two running. So this is the best I could do.

Thanks, Cyc. I didn't have time to read through the whole thread.

If the powers that be will allow it, I would like to run for Chief Justice.

donsig
Jan 02, 2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by DaveShack


I believe you had the opportunity, along with everyone else, to be nominated back when nominations were open.

I was nominated and seconded. Do the RULES say I have to formally accept in order to be placed on the ballot?

naervod
Jan 02, 2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by donsig


I was nominated and seconded. Do the RULES say I have to formally accept in order to be placed on the ballot?

They do actually:

CoS.Y.1.C states: "To be listed in the Election poll, a Citizen must post that they have accepted a nomination."

DaveShack
Jan 02, 2004, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by donsig
I was nominated and seconded. Do the RULES say I have to formally accept in order to be placed on the ballot?

Donsig,

Please accept my apology for the curtness of my previous reply.

It certainly would be interesting if you were allowed to enter the race, but I'm concerned that it would be unfair to others who might have decided to run for these offices instead of other ones based on your absense from the ballot.

To be perfectly honest, I was quite surprised that your name did not appear on the 1st election poll. It appears that everyone assumed that since there was no acceptance post, you did not want to run.

I think someone already pointed out the current law does require an acceptance post. That law was not in effect at the time that nominations closed, however you acknowledged that you had missed out in this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1473163#post1473163).

History will say that we collectively blew it with regard to getting the rules straightened out prior to starting the game. Hopefully it will also record that we got by the problem and still had a fun time with the game itself. I hope you'll focus on the fun, and I look forward to next term's elections, which should be spicy indeed. :D

donsig
Jan 02, 2004, 04:47 PM
As far as I know the ruleset isn't even in place yet. Here is the link to the rules. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70898)

When was CoS.Y.1.C ratified before or after the nomination process???

It sure looks to me like the first judicial review will concern the legitimacy of our elections, especially this special election.

naervod
Jan 02, 2004, 05:09 PM
CoS.Y.1.C was ratified after the nomination process. I agree that this first judicial review should concern the legitimacy of the elections. In my opinion, the election process and the game were started way before they should have been. In the future we should wait for a ruleset to be in place before we actually start elections and/or play.

donsig
Jan 02, 2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by naervod
CoS.Y.1.C was ratified after the nomination process. I agree that this first judicial review should concern the legitimacy of the elections. In my opinion, the election process and the game were started way before they should have been. In the future we should wait for a ruleset to be in place before we actually start elections and/or play.

Under the circumstances do you think it would be appropriate to open this election to anyone who wishes to run?

Cyc
Jan 02, 2004, 05:13 PM
Looks like yer not in this picture, donsig. Better luck in Term 2.

Peri
Jan 02, 2004, 05:13 PM
I think donsig any one else who wants to should be allowed to run in this election.

If the election itself was invalid then so was the nomination thread.

naervod
Jan 02, 2004, 05:20 PM
@donsig-I am kind of split on this issue. On one hand, I agree with Peri in that the nomination threads were invalid too, but on the other hand I agree with Dave that it would be unfair to other candidates who decided to run or not run for other offices because of your (or anyone else's) decision to not accept the nomination.

Peri
Jan 02, 2004, 05:23 PM
My reaction to that is tough. If people are scared of running against donsig then that is their problem.

naervod
Jan 02, 2004, 05:58 PM
People would not necessarily be scared, but they might base their decision on who else is running.

Peri
Jan 02, 2004, 06:01 PM
True. However the nominations should be opened and the whole process begun from scratch.

Bootstoots
Jan 02, 2004, 11:05 PM
In the upcoming poll, I will include donsig and anybody else who wishes to be in it, if there is a general consensus supporting this.

ravensfire
Jan 03, 2004, 12:43 AM
I support such a decision.

The only branch that had issues in this election is the Judiciary. We have a chance here to rectify that mistake, and enter the first term with the best possible Judiciary.

This is not a special election - this is the Judiciary election the way it was intended, and the way it should have been. DZ and the Election Office are doing their best to give us the best possible Judiciary.

-- Ravensfire

DaveShack
Jan 03, 2004, 02:13 AM
I have no objection to "re-opening nominations" as long as the existing 7 candidates are OK with it.

Cyc
Jan 03, 2004, 03:03 AM
It worked, donsig. :thumbsup: You're in! ;)

Now we just have to notify Bill.

Rik Meleet
Jan 03, 2004, 06:53 AM
I still need a vice-president. I would like to appoint a candidate who runs, but isn't chosen in this poll to be VP. Are you interested in that consoltation price ?

Bootstoots
Jan 03, 2004, 08:17 AM
Should I extend the deadline by 24 hours to give Bill and anybody else who wants to join this race a chance to reply?

ravensfire
Jan 03, 2004, 09:33 AM
Boots, to be hoenst - I don't think you need to. Elections are fun by the Election Office, and supervised by the Moderators. The time was set, start this sucker off!

-- Ravensfire

Bootstoots
Jan 03, 2004, 09:35 AM
Alright then, the election will be posted momentarily.

donsig
Jan 03, 2004, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Bootstoots
In the upcoming poll, I will include donsig and anybody else who wishes to be in it, if there is a general consensus supporting this.

Thank you!

Bill_in_PDX
Jan 03, 2004, 02:00 PM
I appreciate the vote of confidence Cyc, but at this time, I feel you are the best choice for CJ, and as such I will stand aside, and offer my full support and endorsement.