This thread is for messages for the CIVIII PTW v1.27 match. We are ready to play:

Order
Hammer Japan
Computer Persians
RealGoober Egypt
Computer French
Apricorn Celts
Computer Romans
salts pikey Germans
Computer Ottomans

Settings:
http://internetpeople.net/civ/civ_elite.htm

Other:
Culture conversions ON
AI Respawn ON

Let's try to do at least one round a day.

One more rule. No communications on strategy or deals with other players until you contact each other in the game. Then anything goes.

What the crickery is the Queen thing? Is that natural?

Not sure what you are asking here.

Re: What the crickery is the Queen thing? Is that natural?

I know what you are asking. That is your queen. In regicide if the queen or king gets killed. you are out.

Originally posted by wwhill
Re: What the crickery is the Queen thing? Is that natural?

I know what you are asking. That is your queen. In regicide if the queen or king gets killed. you are out.

Ohhh, Queenicide. Gotcha. Never played that way, never seen it before. Thanks

Turn to Germany

Passed to Celts

Turn sent to the Germans

Turn sent to Celts

Double Post - Please delete

The future of the youg Celtic civilization stood in the balance. King Brennus has been warned about exploring without proper military protection. But the headstrong King had refused to wait for the new warriors to be trained before he began exploring the lands surrounding Cardiff, taking only his personal bodyguards. And so it was that he stumbled upon a horde of hostile Barbarians whilst exploring a nearby forest.

(Turn sent to Germany)

Good stuff

This is not good . . . that would be a TERRIBLE way to end the game (for Apricorn) Then I would have to send it to someone else (What? Change? NEVAH!!!)

Good Luck with that

Thanks.
If my King unit is destroyed will I even know about it? id assume it would happen at the end of the turn when the AI plays? Havent got the next turn yet so Im getting worried!

Just to let everyone know, Salts Pikey seems to have gone AWOL (im in another PBEM with him)
Not sure what we can do about this other than hope he returns soon, as noone knows his password.

I will check into

Salts Pikey has now been replaced in the other game Im in with him.
I think we should try and find a temporary replacement for him in this too. If he returns then he can take over his game again.
If everyone in agreement, i'll post a thread about it?

Salts sent his turn yesterday with this message. I have relayed the game.



sorry about the delay, pass on my apologies to the next player!!
it wont happen again.
Salts.

Thats good news, welcome back Salts.

The Celtic King laughed like a maniac raising his fist in triumph as the barbarians fled. Outnumbered three to one, the King and his bodyguards had not only stood their ground but in the face of barbarian attack, as an act of defiance, exposed their brightly painted genitals to the barbarians. This gesture along with the taunting and shouting had caused the hordes to run in terror in the face of such an obviously mighty opponent. Nevertheless, there was not a moment to be lost, a messenger was dispatched and a band of Celtic warriors from Cardiff was ordered to join what would now be a barbarian hunt.
The reputation of the Celts and their King had been established without a drop of blood being shed.

(turn sent to the Germans)

Well, that is good, you survived. You were lucky only 1 attacked and not all of them. This may have been a VERY short game, for you. Good Luck Everyone

Hey, how did you know only one attacked? I never mentioned that:confused:

the King and his bodyguards had not only stood their ground but in the face of barbarian attack

You said Attack, not AttackS

Originally posted by RealGoober
the King and his bodyguards had not only stood their ground but in the face of barbarian attack

You said Attack, not AttackS

ahh, elementary my dear Watson ;)

'Tis true . . .

The king smeared his chest in the blood of the now defeated barbarians. The horde had found their courage again and once again ambushed the King on his way back to Cardiff. This time the taunting from the Celts did not scare them away. The barbarians attacked in two waves, and were slaughtered down to a man, without a single injury to the King or his bodyguards. The experience would no doubt prove valuable. But for now, there would be much merriment in Cardiff.

(turn sent)

Ohhh, the last two Barbarians did attack after all . . .

Seems we've stalled again..Who has the turn?

I do not have it. I sent it to Apricorn last time.

So its either with Salts pikey or WWhill...

I had sent it on Saturday morning. I sent it again to RealGoober.

I'm sorry, I either missed a game save, forgot to send it to Apricorn, or my bloody Internet Server (Telus) didn't send my the E-mail (most likely)

Sorry about that . . .

No problem

Played, sent. It WAS Telus, my Internet Server, they sent the Email that wwhill sent on Sat. Morning TODAY!!! Time for another long, condescending e-mail . . .

We're stuck again.
Last turn I sent was to Salts pikey on the 20th.
Not had one since.

By the way, Salts pikey has dropped out of the other game due to "other commitments".
Not sure if he intends to stay in this one or not.

I will look into a sub

If you need a replacement for a particular player anytime soon, hook me up.

viccougarsfan@hotmail.com

Hey guys. I am just wondering if this PBEM has stalled again? I sent it to Apricorn sometime earlier, haven't yet received another save. I shall blame by Internet Server (stupid Telus) for now, but has the save been sent to me?

3650 BC Sent to wwhill.

Ahh, excellent, we are back in action . . . ASSUME THE POSITIONS!!!

Pikey is out and Burgess is in:

Order
Hammer whitney@internetpeople.net Japan
Computer Persians
RealGoober smartekid_6@hotmail.com Egypt
Computer French
Apricorn rgjp@ntlworld.com Celts
Computer Romans
Burgess(sub for pikey) viccougarsfan@hotmail.com
Germans
Computer Ottomans

Settings:
http://internetpeople.net/civ/civ_elite.htm

Other:
Culture conversions ON
AI Respawn ON

Welcome Burgess (Vancouver2010 I presume?)
:goodjob:

By the way, I wont be able to play the turn tonight, as Im going out straight after work, but will play it by around 0900 GMT tomorrow (Saturday) morning

Yes, Welcome Vancouver2010 (yes, Burgess . . . ) Glad to see we are back on track. I am at GMT-8, btw.

Yes, Burgess. First name Michael.

Received the turn from RealGoober but it was one Id already played. Have asked him to resend

I sent the turn that I had received from Whitney, and played. If that one is not the correct Game Save, then I do not have the proper Game Save.

I resent it.

Thanks Realgoober, the one you resent was the right one.

Have sent on to Vancouver2010

Ahhh . . . excellent, we are back on track. Vancouver2010 should be waking up soon . . .

Looks like we are definitely on track!

Turn sent to wwhill.

Played, sent

and onto Vancouver 2010.
That was a nice quick turn!

Turn sent to wwhill ... again! Two turns in one day! That's just unheard of! ;)

wwhill, you sent me the Wrong Game Save. When I loaded it, it asks me for the password for the Celts (Apricorn), not the Egyptians (me).

Played, sent to Apricorn Jan. 24th.

Turn sent to wwhill.

3450 bc sent to wwhill.

@ wwhill - I got the wrong game save . . .

Got it, Played it, Sent it. Life is as it should be.

(should be an Ad for PBEM, hehe)

Originally posted by RealGoober
Got it, Played it, Sent it. Life is as it should be.

(should be an Ad for PBEM, hehe)

Very Catchy :goodjob:

By the way, Ive checked my emails and havent received the Civ_Elite turn from you, only the 8 Player turn.
Please could you resend.

Whoops, I just did a flurry of e-mail, must have missed you. I have re-sent. Sorry for the delay.

Remember no negotiations until you have made contact on the map.

Oh, ok, gotcha. Nothing to negotiate about anyway . . .

Re-Sent turn to Apricorn, btw . . . hope it work . . .

3400 BC sent to wwhill.

thanks for letting me know i had been 'replaced'....:cry:

3350 bc sent to wwhill.

3300 bc sent to wwhill.

I find it very interesting that I'm the only one posting after every turn to say that I've sent it.

OK, I don't find it that interesting, but that's distinctly not the point. (I think ...)

Who said it was necessary to post after each move?

No one. I just do it to avoid getting blamed if and when the game stalls. (Even though I'm gonna get blamed anyway...)

Of course. Vancouver2010 always gets blamed (after me, of course).

I think the order is:

Blame RealGoober, then Blame Vancouver2010.

Got It, Played It, Sent It.

3250 or something BC sent to Apricorn.

I can be blamed tonight as Im going out straight after work to see some satand up comedy so wont be able to play the turn until Saturday morning GMT

Signed, sealed, stamped, and stapled. (Mmm...stealing RealGoober's line...)

In other words, 3250 BC sent to wwhill.

Originally posted by Vancouver2010
Signed, sealed, stamped, and stapled. (Mmm...stealing RealGoober's line...)

In other words, 3250 BC sent to wwhill.

STEALING MY LINES IS DARN RIGHT!!! IF I WEREN'T SO DARN LAZY, I WOULDA PATENTED THAT. AND FURTHERMORE, WHY DIDN'T I THINK ABOUT THAT?!? I USUALLY SAY THAT!!! I MEAN REALLY, THE ONE PHRASE I ACTUALLY THINK UP OF MYSELF, AND IT GETS STOLEN!!!

I likely had it coming, since I constantly steal everyone else's lines.

I will stick to my "Got it. Played it. Sent it" though . . .

-> wwhill.

RealGoober's email is not working:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

smartekid_6@hotmail.com

Hes using hotmail - could be hes reached his storage limit.

Sorry about that, had a Marathon PBEM going on, I guess my Inbox got filled up. Try sending it again.

Stinking Storage Limit . . . I don't see a Derivative, though . . .

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/NiceCitySite.GIF

That is a Screenie of my Nicest City Site yet. Hehe, not to brag or anything . . .

Unfortunately the Ottomans are close by, which stinks, but I shall take care of them shortly . . .

V nice location for a city

Yes, I like it. BtW, if my Stupid Hotmail Account refuses to function, you can send the Game Saves to my Yahoo account; nathanlapointe13@yahoo.ca.

It is less frequently checked, but my Hotmail account is not liking me.

Did we stall again?

I sent it out on Feb 4 to smartekid_6@hotmail.com at 11:00 Am

I coulda sworn that I sent the Save on to Apricorn, but I guess I didn't. My bad. Sent to Apricorn Feb 8th, @ 17:23 GMT

I sent it on the 6th Feb to Vancouver.
The turn RealGoober resent me was the turn before that one.

I distinctly and definitely played and sent my turn to wwhill, so I think it's safe to say that it's all RealGoober's fault!

Who wants me to whack him over the head tomorrow during school? ;)

Edit: It may or may not be potentially my fault. I definitely played my turn. The sending part has been put into question by Apricorn. I'd still like to know how many people want me to whack RealGoober over the head tomorrow at school though (just because it's so much fun! :D).

I have just now received a turn from wwhill, I had not received that one before, I checked. Will play and send. Wasn't my fault, I never received that turn. I blame this completely on Micro$oft and Telus, my Internet provider . . .

And bring it, Vancouver2010, bring it . . .

Originally posted by Vancouver2010
I'd still like to know how many people want me to whack RealGoober over the head tomorrow at school though (just because it's so much fun! :D).

Are you, by any chance, the reason that RealGoober is not liking Grade 12? ;)

Heck no, Vancouver2010 is the least of my worries, him and his groundless threats (on TOAST!!!).

I don't like Grade 12 because of the stress, and insane amounts of hw that eat up my non-school time . . . I am sure you guys all fondly remember those days . . .

Ahhh, dont worry it gets better.

By the way, did you play the turn? If you send it withint the next 15 minutes or so, I'll be able to play if before I go to bed (its 2:16 AM here)

I just sent it. Wow, that's late. Gonna be quite the Monday for you!!!

And if it is not the right save, then I do not have the right save, and I shall rant and rage at my Internet Provider

Thankfully I have monday and tuesday off this week!
[dance]

Ohh you are lucky, I haven't had a day to myself yet . . . In a couple weeks now . . .

Played and sent to Vancouver

Signed, sealed, stamped, and stapled. ( -> wwhill )

And no, I am not the reason RealGoober is not liking Grade 12, but I am not liking it for the same reasons.

Got it. Played it. Sent it to Apricorn @ 18:52 GMT. It actually came on the same day that it was sent, amazing . . .

Played it. Sent it. Attached the Official Seal of Approval on it. Cursing at my teachers for giving me so much homework for this week. <rant placeholder> Etc, etc, etc.

Yes, but if we actually did our homework on the Friday, when it was assigned, instead of being lazy, and finishing a certain essay Sunday night *cough, cough*, then life might go a bit better . . .

Oh, and doing our Calculus HW when it is assigned, instead of waiting for the Weekend, also might help matteras a little bit. Mmmm . . . Massive Stack of Calculus Homework . . .

I am just wondering if we are stuck? I haven't seen a save in a couple days, and I am POSITIVE I last sent it to Apricorn, and have not received it yet from wwhill. Note the POSITIVE part of POSITIVE!!!

Knowing you, RealGoober, the "POSITIVE part of POSITIVE" means you are 13.7% certain that you sent it, and not just 10.3% certain.

I can definitely assure everyone that I distinctly sent my turn (which means a minimum of 63.4% certainty).

(In pre-editing hindsight, the fact that I sent my turn means that RealGoober definitely sent his last turn. But I say nothing ... wait a second ... I just did ... *shifty-eyes*)

63.4%? C'mon, lets get serious here, you are a pathetic 40% sure at bare minimum!!!

Not, I could show everyone the E-mail I received from wwhill, AND the one I send to Apricorn, but you guys would just say, "Nah, your making it up", so there is no point . . .

And apparently I sent to Apricorn, who sends it to V2010, which would mean I sent the thing - apparently. Ohh, I'm confused *shify eye thing*

I sent it to Vancouver on the 9th

I recieved the savegame this morning. Unfortuantely, I was too tired to play it, and I had to finish up some last-minute homework, and this and that and the other... anyways, I'll play it when I get home (in about 3 hours).

Hey, I think someone was on the School's computers during Lunch - *Staring directly at V2010*.

I was just making sure it wasn't stuck . . .

Turn forwarded to RealGoober. (I mean really, just because I live no more than 1km away from him doesn't mean my email address looks anything like his -- and it certainly doesn't mean that I know his password!)

Password?!?! What is this strange this you call a "password"?

And ya, we live like a 8 minute walk away from each other . . .

Got it. Got time to play it. Played it. Sent it to Apricorn at 16:11 GMT

Turn sent.

We seem to be stuck. Who has the turn?
Last one I sent was to Vancouver on the 12th

I sent min to RealGoober on the 12th a 7:56

Realgoober played that turn and sent it to me.
Vancouver, did you get that turn?

Ive resent 2950 to Vancouver

I haven't recieved any PBEMs since the 12th, which is the one matching my last "turn sent" post. That one appears to have been 2950 bc, so somewhere there should be 2900 bc.

I think wwhill has it. I sent it to Apricorn last at 8:06 PST (GMT-8) on the 12th, and apparently he and V2010 passed it on, so then it must be with wwhill (unless I am not receiving E-mails cause my Internet provider hates he - wouldn't be a first).

Not to lay blame, or anything . . .

Played it and sent it last night, apparently. Didn't get a save this morning, unfortunately. I do look forward to my morning PBEM's . . .

Who has the turn?

I sent it out 2/18

I got it on 2/18, sent it later that night. I ain't got it.

AH [Warning! Extremely High Concentration of Four Letter Words Here!] !!!

I recieved it 19 Feb, I played it 19 Feb, I was pretty sure I sent it 19 Feb, but from the sounds of it, I forgot to. Unless there's something screwy happening between my email and wwhill's email.

Either way, Turn resent. (I think ...)

I have sent it on

Sent it to Apricorn @ 20:25 GMT. I have a VERY crappy starting location, MAYBE I can squeeze 4 Cities in, but there will be overlap. I am gonna haveta take out the ottomans early. The "Restart Civ" option is not on, is it? Please tell me it isn't . . .

Turn sent to wwhill @ Feb 22 02:52 GMT (sending the PBEMs of today ... tomorrow!) .

I have a semicrappy starting location. Some decent land, and then it goes downhill. On the upside, that can be changed...

Have i sent this PBEM? I am not sure, memory going crappy again . . .

No, not received it last time I checked.

Do you have the turn RealGoober? Last time I received it was on the 21st.

Apricorn,
Resend it to me. I think I did not get your email.

Ok, you can blame THIS PBEM on me. I was much too busy the past couple of days to find time to play it (sounds pathetic, I know. Few months, and I am outta school!!!). Will play and send asap.

*accepts blame*

Ok, i have sent it to Apricorn sometime soon . . .

*temperorily shrugging off blame*

Originally posted by RealGoober
Ok, you can blame THIS PBEM on me. I was much too busy the past couple of days to find time to play it (sounds pathetic, I know. Few months, and I am outta school!!!). Will play and send asap.

*accepts blame*

Ah, yes. The preferred excuse of me -- and students around the world. Never leave home without one.

*blames RealGoober, and prepares to whack him in Engineering tomorrow* ;)

Originally posted by RealGoober
Ok, i have sent it to Apricorn sometime soon . . .

*temperorily shrugging off blame*

V2010, did you read this first?

And hey, you can quote yourself!!! Sweet . . .

2750 BC Sent. No comment on anything.

Did you whack RealGoober in engineering VC?

Originally posted by Apricorn
Did you whack RealGoober in engineering VC?

Many a time, many a time. When i die, they will fine an imprint of his hand on my skull, I think . . .

I still entirely blame my ISP for not letting me get Arrogant's E-mail.

I always whack RealGoober. And not always in Engineering. If I don't whack him at least 5 times a day, then he's lucky.

RealGoober, do you ever whack VC back?

Originally posted by Apricorn
RealGoober, do you ever whack VC back?

Oh, all the time. It is a little strange ritual of ours. Don't worry, I retaliate . . . "My words are back by NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!"

And then I whack him for saying that! Either that, or I whack the nuclear weapons... :mischief:

Originally posted by Vancouver2010
And then I whack him for saying that! Either that, or I whack the nuclear weapons...

The I rewhack him. And so forth, and so on . . . This goes on all Engineering class . . . and whenever we see each other in the halls . . .

2670 BC Sent.

Got it. Played it. Sent it to Apricorn @ 15:53 GMT

Dang, I have NO land, NO military, and the Ottomans coming in with one warrior. I do have gems, though, and one of the nicest city sites I have ever seen. Ain't gonna give up, no worries.

*Shaking fist at he who has good city cites*

*Plotting revenge by whacking*

And so on....

2630 BC Sent.

Originally posted by Vancouver2010
*Shaking fist at he who has good city cites*

*Plotting revenge by whacking*

And so on....

2630 BC Sent.

What he said, except I sent my save in a 2 for 1 PBEM combo (with Cheese!!!) to Apricorn. Well, knowing V2010's adbundant of llihs, he probably has no city sites, and is on a 1 tile island.

Ah yes, the rare PBEM Synchronization EMails! But they will not remain synchronized for long!

And actually, I have a reasonable start position with reasonable room to expand.

You guys must be in a different game. I already have 6 cities and am enslaving the Romans. We are on a clear path to global domination.

Originally posted by wwhill
You guys must be in a different game. I already have 6 cities and am enslaving the Romans. We are on a clear path to global domination.

I somehow doubt it. I have 3 cities, and room for one more. I am going to have to either peacefully expand - preferred option, or take out the Ottomans fast - not my preferred option. This is the Civ Elite thread I am in, I think . . .

Shaking fist at those that have a better start location then I . . .

2590 BC Sent.

No comment.

Got it. Played it. Sent it to Apricorn @ 18:01 GMT. Sorry for the slight delay, got busy last night. Dang, I am gonna have to have an early war with the Ottomans. Archers vs. Spearmen, yuck. I shall not do well this game, not well at all. At this case, I am have a very strong feeling that I am the underdog. Stupid Ottomans.

2510 BC Sent.

An equally large void of comments.

Im with the Persians, though so far it is peaceful between us

Things are peaceful between the Egyptians and the Ottomans, at least until the Egyptians get a military together, that is better then a couple of warriors. The Egyptians do not want war with the Ottomans, but the Egyptians distinct lack of room is demanding a need for an early war. Fully aware of the effects of war, the Egyptiand have ordered that many legions of Arhcers, for alltack, and Spearmen, for defense, shall be build, and marched down towards the Ottoman-Egyptians border.

(I think I shall start narrating this . . .)

Originally posted by RealGoober


(I think I shall start narrating this . . .)

Go for it, always good to hear

Ok, sent it, blah blah blah.

The Egyptians have started moving their army, or what passes for one, towards the border with the potential enemy, the Ottomans, who stand in the way between Egypt, and a Glorious Empire (or so says the Official State Newspaper). These units do not have far to go, since the border is not far away since the Egyptians have a lack of land. An Ottoman warrior that has been nosing around the Egyptians land is being closely followed by an Egyptian warrior. The Egyptians also notice that there is an island within Galley distance, but Galleys are still a foreign consept to the struggling Egyptian empire. Taking out the Ottomans seems to be the easiest route, assuming that the promises of beautiful grassland beyond the Ottoman cities are true. Only time shall tell . . .

Who has the save? I have not seen it in a couple of days . . .

I last sent the turn to Vancouver on the 7th.

Anyone?

Got it, Playing it, Sending it. I won't be here until Tuesday, so it will inda be stalled until then. Ahh, finally a well deserved vacation . . .

Cheers, all!!!

wwhill asked me to resend it to him on the 10th, but that's the last I've heard about it.

Apparently I sent Apricorn the wrong turn, I re-sent it. I'm hoping it is the right one. I'm back, btw.

Have not received it yet

Well, I send the right one a couple of days ago, and if Apricorn did not receive the right one, he hasn't responded yet, so i must therefore assume taht I send the right one . . .

I hope this ain't stalled!!!

I sent the turn on to Vancouver last night

I haven't recieved this save for at least a week and a half! And I still don't have it!!!

It was sent to your email yesterday - have resent it again tonight.

I still haven't recieved it -- try sending it to my main e-mail address (I e-mailed it to you).

resent to the alternative email adress.

OK, it's all good now.

For future turns, keep sending it to my Hotmail address, because I know immediately if I have any messages in that account (aka my Civ address), whereas the other address I actually have to open my email manager to check (that, and I get other emails through that account).

2430 BC finally sent.

Stupid M$ products not working like they should be.

I'd bet $10 (ok, it's only Canadian money; not much of a bet in reality) that I'm gonna recieve those two lost saves in the morning.

[descends into rant about evil M$ products not working...]

*joins V2010 in that rant, well actually, has be ranting about stupid M$ products long before V2010, but that is not the point. Decides to stop babbling, and continue working on stuff*

Got it, Played it, Sent it.

Got it, played it, sent it.

. . . The proud Egyptian people, faced with a small empire, now have another threat. One of the sneaky devious Ottomans is right beside one of the great Egyptian Empire's great cities!!! If this Size 5 (?) city falls, this shall be a great blow to the people of Egypt. This city is undefended, and two Brave, Strong Warriors are coming to protect it. But will the Ottomans take it first? Tune in tomorrow to find out . . .

The Chancellor of Germany is dismayed at his current score and must change his strategy to make the most of his pathetically small piece of land, thus improving his score and making it the BEST ON THE PLANET!!! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :mischief:

2390 BC sent.

OK, who's got the turn??? The last save I saw was on 3 April!!!

Ya, what happened here?

It is not me, right?

I sent out an email over 2 weeks ago and no one responded. I will send the game out again.

I sent it to Apricorn two weeks ago, after you sent it to me.

I know this since I already played that turn. Apricorn dropped out of another PBEM, maybe he dropped out of this one?

see if you can find another person

I'll ask Rocinante, he filled in for Apricorn in another PBEM.

I have e-mailed Rocinante, should get a response shortly . . .

Yo, wassup?

I've never played PTW

But you have PTW, since you have C3C.

Uhh, ya, we just need to give you Apricorn's password, eh? I have no clue how to do that, ask wwhill.

send me his email and I will set it up for him to sub.

I have it at home, when I get home (I'm currently at school), I send it to, hoping that I remember.

Of course, he could always give it to you . . .

just checkin' in

cranked up PTW 1.27f which seems to be the latest version so I guess I'm ready to go.

email is jmot AT sprynet DOT com

Oh, right, I guess I should send this to you, then?

I think . . .

password set, turn taken, sent back to admin

King Brennus' brightly painted genitals do take a bit of getting used to!

I would have been quite happy to have not heard the bit about the genitals, but yes . . .

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I was just thinking that. Where is this? Have we stalled for the final time?

I do not have it, that I know for sure. Come on, this is not dead yet, right?

Good news, 2310BC sent to Salts

edit: have not gotten confirmation from him yet, however.

Well, actually, sent to me, since Salts dropped . . . I think taht should be me, anyway . . .

sent to Germany--I have you down for Egypt

sent to viccougarsfan

Ok, good. Everything is the way taht it should be.